glad you highlighted the match play rule.. so many people dont understand how important it is to play in turn .. basically fundamental to the whole game
Great video, I wish more people would play by the rules because I’m sometimes branded an idiot by mentioning a possible rule infringement before the player makes a stroke. I’ve been playing for 60 years and we all used to be very careful about rules, but now it’s more about winning!
I had the opposite of the last scenario just this weekend in a competition. I hit my drive into what I knew was big trouble, where even if I found it I would have nowhere to drop and even if I did little chance of getting it back in play so I actually said for the avoidance of doubt "I'm going to hit another one - this is NOT a provisional ball". Normally, I always say provisional ball because you can guarantee if you don't say provisional ball you are guaranteed to find the first one, it will be playable and you will be kicking yourself!
Mistake 1 has been covered a few times, but I was curious about mistake 3 putting out of turn; what if the other player says it's OK to finish off? Also is stableford like ready golf stroke play here, i.e. no worries about putting out, to keep things moving? I think these are good to know and be aware of, for golf days and such, save feeling silly for not knowing something. Maybe when I trust my swing more I'll put in for a comp at the club, where I think it pays to know the rules 🙂
I had a strange situation in a medal comp recently very similar to the last one. I hit my drive into semi rough and both myself and my playing partner saw it land. When I walked to the location it dropped into neither of us could find it. After a short search i ended up telling my PP that I was going to have to go back to the Tee to 'hit another'. After I'd gone back to the Tee and played, and walked back down, my PP informed me he'd found my original ball. Unfortunately because I'd not said I was going back to hit a provisional ball i had to now play the replacement ball. Lesson learned was to always say I'm playing a provisional ball.
Accidental Ball Movement - if the ball moves as you're approaching the ball, etc. but haven't taken a stance or grounded your club is it a 2 stroke penalty in that case? Or just replace your ball without penalty?
if I think my provisional ball didn't carry as far as my original, so proceed to play second shot with provisional but then subsequently find my original ball further back. What is the rule? Do I have to continue with provisional? Secondly, is distance based on distance from tee? Or to flag?
regarding moving the ball... what happens if you move the ball- by accidently hitting it with a club eg with a practice swing ... would it just count as a stroke or would the same penalty apply and have to put it back where it was because it wasn't an indented stroke ?
Yes, same penalty and have to put it back where it was. Playing it from where it lands after accidentally striking it is playing from the wrong place and a 2 stroke penalty.
I do enjoy these videos, but my goodness do these rules sap the fun away! I couldn’t imagine calling someone out for this level of rule following. Other than some sort of high stakes situation, this seems to just ruin the fun of it all!!
I have a 'p' written on a ball that I keep ready for 'provisional' and so when hitting a provisional ball, I also say to my playing partners "my provisional ball has a 'P' written on it".. really makes sure there is no mistake
Neil: Oh, that was a close putt! Jezz: I hope you're not going to just tap in Neil: You hope I'm not going to what? Jezz: Tap in Neil: Yes, Jezz? Jezz: I said that's an illegal move in match play Neil: What's illegal? Jezz: Your tap in Neil: Well of course I'm Tappin! Jezz, are you alright in the head?
By taking a provisional ball, you have already incurred a 1 shot penalty. So off the tee you would be playing 3 (original tee shot, penalty, 2nd tee shot. You can carry on playing your provisional ball up to the point where your original ball could be. Once you take a stroke at the ball that is nearer the green than your original ball, you must continue with that ball even if you find your original one. If you find your original ball and haven't played your provisional from a place closer to the hole, you can pick up your provisional and continue playing with your original ball with no penalty.
what happens if the ball sits on the white line with no part of the ball hanging over either side? And also, the issue of a ball being moved by a player, if you can see that the ball is crazily balanced is it still viewed as you have addressed the ball if you do not ground the club- and if it does move ( just because you are standing next to it) you can replace it? I guess it comes down to the rule as to what determines that you have addressed the ball?
In first question, the ball is out of bounds. It does not matter if the white line is ten feet wide. The relevant line is the razor thin edge of the line on the "inbound" side.
In second question: If you cause the ball to move, one penalty stroke and replace the ball. If the ball moves but you did not cause it, no penalty stroke and do not replace. Play it from the new location. There are various ways to cause a ball to move even without touching it. Obvious one is grounding the club in such a way that it affects the grass (or whatever) around the ball. Yes, there may be some arguing and debate when a ball moves and the player claims he/she didn't cause it and the player may well be correct (or not).
The one question I want to know is the answer to is, off tee you can hit a provisional ball in case you can’t find the first one, but if on your second or third shot, what happens when you can’t find your ball? Do you drop in the general vicinity or can you go back to the fairway no closer to the hole? Thanks in advance
If you can't find your ball on your second or third shot, you would have to go back as close as possible as where you played the original ball and get one penalty stroke. If you played a provisional ball, you would play the provisional ball, if you can find it.
@@camouflage_cat1973 yep, if you're hitting your 2nd or 3rd ball on the fairway and it looks like it might go into a tough to find area. Hit a provisional.
No penalty in this situation. Teeing area rules apply here (6.2b5). In the teeing area, the ball is not in play until you make a stroke. A practice swing is not a stroke. Therefore, no problem - just tee it up again. Doesn't matter if it was the wind, or even if your club actually hits the ball in a practice swing (see: Zach Johnson). Again, that only applies in your teeing area - the rules change if it happens anywhere else on the course. Everywhere else, the ball IS generally in play, so be careful with your practice swings.
no - needs to be attempted stroke... zack johnson has done it many times .. check him out on youtube .. your allowed to tee it back up on tee ground... not sure on the rest of course
I was told recently by a PP that if l tried to retrieve my ball out of a water hazard with my club. Each time my club touched the ball it would be counted as a stroke. He said the only way to avoid this was to use a ball retriever or wade in and pick it up. Is that correct??
No. A stroke is an attempt to hit the ball for a golf shot. You're not making a stroke. You can get that ball using anything you want. If you want to be REALLY clear, you can say you're taking penalty relief. Once you fish that ball out (or not, if you choose to just kinda leave it there after you tried fishing it out once you realize what kinds of things that ball's been rolling through...), you can then take penalty relief for one stroke - either stroke and distance to play from the spot of your previous stroke, or back on the line, or (if a red penalty area) lateral relief.
So, let's assume that I hit a ball, and it goes off into the woods to the left of the fairway. I play the provisional. We go to look for the ball. And the three minutes expire. As we're walking towards the provisional, my partner warns me about some dog feces that they found on the way there. And as I'm looking for the feces, I find the ball. The rule does seem clear. My time expired. I have to take the penalty and play the provisional. But what doesn't seem clear is if I can pick the ball back up and use it on a later hole. Is that okay? Or is it out for the rest of the round?
Not really. You could play ten rounds without using any of these. However they are there for when you do need to know what to do in an unusual situation. (Apart for the provisional ball rule, but that's saying two words on the tee, hardly complicated).
glad you highlighted the match play rule.. so many people dont understand how important it is to play in turn .. basically fundamental to the whole game
Great video, I wish more people would play by the rules because I’m sometimes branded an idiot by mentioning a possible rule infringement before the player makes a stroke. I’ve been playing for 60 years and we all used to be very careful about rules, but now it’s more about winning!
Can we have more rules videos please. Especially covering when ball is in gravel and taking relief. Really enjoy all videos.
I love it when you do the rules bit so many rules we don't no. But thanks to this it helps
I had the opposite of the last scenario just this weekend in a competition. I hit my drive into what I knew was big trouble, where even if I found it I would have nowhere to drop and even if I did little chance of getting it back in play so I actually said for the avoidance of doubt "I'm going to hit another one - this is NOT a provisional ball".
Normally, I always say provisional ball because you can guarantee if you don't say provisional ball you are guaranteed to find the first one, it will be playable and you will be kicking yourself!
Mistake 1 has been covered a few times, but I was curious about mistake 3 putting out of turn; what if the other player says it's OK to finish off? Also is stableford like ready golf stroke play here, i.e. no worries about putting out, to keep things moving?
I think these are good to know and be aware of, for golf days and such, save feeling silly for not knowing something. Maybe when I trust my swing more I'll put in for a comp at the club, where I think it pays to know the rules 🙂
I had a strange situation in a medal comp recently very similar to the last one. I hit my drive into semi rough and both myself and my playing partner saw it land. When I walked to the location it dropped into neither of us could find it. After a short search i ended up telling my PP that I was going to have to go back to the Tee to 'hit another'. After I'd gone back to the Tee and played, and walked back down, my PP informed me he'd found my original ball. Unfortunately because I'd not said I was going back to hit a provisional ball i had to now play the replacement ball. Lesson learned was to always say I'm playing a provisional ball.
Surely by now your 3 minutes are up !
A little note on the last one- if you think you hit your shot in a hazard you can’t play a “provisional.” I see that mistake often.
Accidental Ball Movement - if the ball moves as you're approaching the ball, etc. but haven't taken a stance or grounded your club is it a 2 stroke penalty in that case? Or just replace your ball without penalty?
if I think my provisional ball didn't carry as far as my original, so proceed to play second shot with provisional but then subsequently find my original ball further back. What is the rule? Do I have to continue with provisional? Secondly, is distance based on distance from tee? Or to flag?
Great video👍🏼
regarding moving the ball... what happens if you move the ball- by accidently hitting it with a club eg with a practice swing ... would it just count as a stroke or would the same penalty apply and have to put it back where it was because it wasn't an indented stroke ?
Yes, same penalty and have to put it back where it was. Playing it from where it lands after accidentally striking it is playing from the wrong place and a 2 stroke penalty.
Question you tee a ball, you notice it leaning one way or another, may you adjust or reset the tee?
Yes.
I AM going to be playing in my first tournament this fall, though being a charity tournament, I expect it will be a scramble.
I do enjoy these videos, but my goodness do these rules sap the fun away! I couldn’t imagine calling someone out for this level of rule following. Other than some sort of high stakes situation, this seems to just ruin the fun of it all!!
A tournament is different than playing with your friends.
I have a 'p' written on a ball that I keep ready for 'provisional' and so when hitting a provisional ball, I also say to my playing partners "my provisional ball has a 'P' written on it".. really makes sure there is no mistake
That sprinkler head rule doesn’t affect me at all- I’d 3 putt from there either way…..
Neil: Oh, that was a close putt!
Jezz: I hope you're not going to just tap in
Neil: You hope I'm not going to what?
Jezz: Tap in
Neil: Yes, Jezz?
Jezz: I said that's an illegal move in match play
Neil: What's illegal?
Jezz: Your tap in
Neil: Well of course I'm Tappin! Jezz, are you alright in the head?
If you announce a provisional and end up playing it do you incur a stoke penalty?
By taking a provisional ball, you have already incurred a 1 shot penalty. So off the tee you would be playing 3 (original tee shot, penalty, 2nd tee shot. You can carry on playing your provisional ball up to the point where your original ball could be. Once you take a stroke at the ball that is nearer the green than your original ball, you must continue with that ball even if you find your original one. If you find your original ball and haven't played your provisional from a place closer to the hole, you can pick up your provisional and continue playing with your original ball with no penalty.
what happens if the ball sits on the white line with no part of the ball hanging over either side? And also, the issue of a ball being moved by a player, if you can see that the ball is crazily balanced is it still viewed as you have addressed the ball if you do not ground the club- and if it does move ( just because you are standing next to it) you can replace it? I guess it comes down to the rule as to what determines that you have addressed the ball?
In first question, the ball is out of bounds. It does not matter if the white line is ten feet wide. The relevant line is the razor thin edge of the line on the "inbound" side.
In second question: If you cause the ball to move, one penalty stroke and replace the ball. If the ball moves but you did not cause it, no penalty stroke and do not replace. Play it from the new location. There are various ways to cause a ball to move even without touching it. Obvious one is grounding the club in such a way that it affects the grass (or whatever) around the ball. Yes, there may be some arguing and debate when a ball moves and the player claims he/she didn't cause it and the player may well be correct (or not).
out of bounds
The one question I want to know is the answer to is, off tee you can hit a provisional ball in case you can’t find the first one, but if on your second or third shot, what happens when you can’t find your ball? Do you drop in the general vicinity or can you go back to the fairway no closer to the hole? Thanks in advance
If you can't find your ball on your second or third shot, you would have to go back as close as possible as where you played the original ball and get one penalty stroke. If you played a provisional ball, you would play the provisional ball, if you can find it.
@@camouflage_cat1973 yep, if you're hitting your 2nd or 3rd ball on the fairway and it looks like it might go into a tough to find area. Hit a provisional.
@@camouflage_cat1973 would you play the provisional by dropping from knee height or placing?
@@Jaynoakesessex81 I would drop it.
Question- your in the tee box your practice swing and the wind from you club knocks the ball off of the tee. Is that a penalty.
Only penalty here is your spelling and sentence structure.
No penalty in this situation. Teeing area rules apply here (6.2b5). In the teeing area, the ball is not in play until you make a stroke. A practice swing is not a stroke. Therefore, no problem - just tee it up again. Doesn't matter if it was the wind, or even if your club actually hits the ball in a practice swing (see: Zach Johnson). Again, that only applies in your teeing area - the rules change if it happens anywhere else on the course. Everywhere else, the ball IS generally in play, so be careful with your practice swings.
no - needs to be attempted stroke... zack johnson has done it many times .. check him out on youtube .. your allowed to tee it back up on tee ground... not sure on the rest of course
Thanks…
What if the ball moved during the swing?
There is no penalty if you complete the swing.
Are air shots counted in normal play?
Air shots? You mean a swing and a miss? Yes. If you swing with an intent to hit the ball, it is a stroke to be counted.
yes - rory did one on friday
I was told recently by a PP that if l tried to retrieve my ball out of a water hazard with my club. Each time my club touched the ball it would be counted as a stroke. He said the only way to avoid this was to use a ball retriever or wade in and pick it up. Is that correct??
No. A stroke is an attempt to hit the ball for a golf shot. You're not making a stroke. You can get that ball using anything you want. If you want to be REALLY clear, you can say you're taking penalty relief. Once you fish that ball out (or not, if you choose to just kinda leave it there after you tried fishing it out once you realize what kinds of things that ball's been rolling through...), you can then take penalty relief for one stroke - either stroke and distance to play from the spot of your previous stroke, or back on the line, or (if a red penalty area) lateral relief.
@@j_ny thanks John
rubbish .. would need to be a stroke and you would of already made it clear you were taking a penalty
No. Your playing partner is an idiot.
So, let's assume that I hit a ball, and it goes off into the woods to the left of the fairway. I play the provisional. We go to look for the ball. And the three minutes expire. As we're walking towards the provisional, my partner warns me about some dog feces that they found on the way there. And as I'm looking for the feces, I find the ball. The rule does seem clear. My time expired. I have to take the penalty and play the provisional. But what doesn't seem clear is if I can pick the ball back up and use it on a later hole. Is that okay? Or is it out for the rest of the round?
Yes, you can change ball in between holes (clean off the dog poop first though 😂)
Why can’t you do a video on how to cheat and get away with it? The Bandit Series🤣😂🤣
Be a great video. Sadly, I’d still shoot 130….
The ball moving penalty when grounding your club behind it is petty and ridiculous….get rid of it 😬
Tell usga that
Golf, a game ruled by lawyers. The rules are entirely too complicated.
Not really. You could play ten rounds without using any of these. However they are there for when you do need to know what to do in an unusual situation. (Apart for the provisional ball rule, but that's saying two words on the tee, hardly complicated).
The best way to keep your scores lower is to NOT play with a rules expert
Could always play 2 balls if you are uncertain of the rule