That switch blowing up was a bit concerning, especially since it's a quite high-end Unifi Switch. If possible, please show what happened to that switch and maybe you can find out why it happened
Who could have seen this coming? Absolutely not me!! As a plumber, he did everything right and didn’t mess anything up. Absolutely no corners were cut.
@@Rayneswordwell, I am a boiler/chiller installer, and even watching this one I’m still cringing but less so…. I’m all for jank in the workshop. But this is $30k worth of computers and servers…. Why cut corners?
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@@Raynesword im not a plumber but i know enough to know that it is very sarcastic 😆
Alex commented on the Floatplane video:- _Fuses blew due to bad Sata adapters. As for the switch we have no idea what happened, checked the power cable with a multimeter and it was all good. Just replaced the switch and it has been fine_
Most likely the entire cabinet has water damage? During the fist incident I would not be surprised if the water heated enough to be steam, steam rises...
@@prophoenix212 broken power supply actually happened before this video. They were released out of order due to some important footage being on linus's phone that went for a swim.
Honestly, i gave it like 6 hours until some rocks got lodged in it, blocked the flow and made it explode.@@ghomerhust New system looks a lot better. But the manifold looks jank and I don't think he has any sensors checking loop temperatures, pressures and flow rate. Also he would need to slow the pool pump down once it gets cold outside, to avoid condensation inside. Check the temperature of the heat exchanger and set a minimum temperature for it and shut the pool pump down once it is reached. It's very well possible he has done this, but its not covered in the video.
IMPORTANT NOTE: At 5:30 when Alex says they are using “Red PEX” instead of “White PEX” what he meant to say is they are using “Oxygen Barrier/Closed Loop/Radiant Heating” PEX or “PEX-AL-PEX” instead of regular PEX. The color of PEX DOES NOT indicate it’s official capabilities, but is just meant to helpfully color code to keep track of things like which line is hot or cold. So regular PEX can come in white, red or any variety of colors, but that doesn’t mean it has an “Oxygen Barrier/Closed Loop/Radiant Heating” PEX. “Oxygen Barrier/Closed Loop/Radiant Heating” PEX and “PEX-AL-PEX”, while typically found in red, can also come in other colors.
This bothered me also! And I'm glad somebody said something. Rather I'm glad somebody that knew what they were talking about said something. I knew what he said didn't make sense, I just didn't know the details so I'm glad you shared that.
For labeling, instead of "in" or "out", HVAC systems label them as "supply" "return" with arrows. Supply means the water is cold. So you label both end of the tube chilled water supply if the water hasn't been warmed by the computers.
From his home automation, to AV setup, to pool water cooling, the next owner of his house is going to have one giant mystery to figure out how it all works.
@@shellderpmost do. All the houses I build come with the drawings of EVERYTHING, all of the user manuals that came with all the products, surveys, and any other information. My company builds high end custom homes from about $1M-8M. And there's always a ton of stuff. It's usually transferred to the owner in a large storage box.
I like source - device in - device out - return. Arrows are very important because some pipes can see reverse flow in some conditions so specifically calling that out is an important marker.
HOT and COLD are the correct labels as there is no way to confuse those. Since he's using QDCs on the computers, those should also be gender-matched so that the COLD port on the computer is female and the HOT port is male. Even without labels, gender-matching QDCs in this manner is the correct way to do it. The flow direction should be from male to female. Thus, the COLD supply side of the manifold should have male connectors, and the HOT return side of the manifold should have female. Apologies for the reply to an 8-month-old comment.
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I was thinking the same, Linus is just begging for another computer failure because of a leak, especially when the junction was leaking on a couple occasions already... I don't remember, does he at least have a drain in this room if shit hits the fan and they're not there to handle it immediately?
Leak sensors might be a smart investment... They make rope ones that detect leaks on the whole length of rope, so you can wrap it around a hose or surround a component
my first thought was if thats PoE and does not have diode isolation - that power cord he unplugged could have been live and grounded to the rack@@The_Keeper
nah, a lot of janky installments and a plastic water manifold in the inside of a rack, full of computer and ups equipment. what could possibly go wrong?
I wish they would have expanded on that. They mentioned finding excess motherboard standoffs under the boards and that seems like a potential cause of short circuits
At this point, the server setup is sophisticated enough to merit a clearly laid out circuit diagram indicating the currents, loads and fuses. Similarly, a coolant diagram, and a fire safety plan should be clearly visible along with an emergency shutdown switch.
AIOs are as close to that as I'm willing to get. And even then, I picked it over air cooling for RAM clearance rather than cooling effectiveness. All the air coolers I was looking at had terrible RAM clearance.
Linus, you should get a few leak sensors, toss them around the server rack (probably below the manifold) and add them to home assistant. Set it up to text you when it detects water. Just an idea and a little bit of peace of mind :)
They should also design so they dont need them so much - all leads and hoses should be setup so the bottom of the run is away form the system so drips dont go in. Why arent the systems upside down? Why is there no consideration to leak paths? This is really basic stuff for even outdoor systems, let alone this.
As someone who watches a lot and always feels kinda dumb with how versed everyone is with computers on the channel, these types of videos make me feel way better. Watching them try to figure out basic plumbing is always funny. We all have our blind spots
Even with all these the current system looks like a recipe for disaster. I would setup a smaller tank and move water from pool there and connect all CPUs to that smaller tank(it'll be in the same room as CPUs - with filter & everything). Along with that have sensors and other alert systems set up for that smaller tank. Even with their current system many things could get wrong depending on the pool status and the weather status.
@@catriona_drummond I doubt thats the case, If I were a betting person I would bet that even without the cameras rolling Linus would do a temp setup just to get it working, hes talked about having ADD/ADHD a lot, and as someone who also has ADHD, I can tell you that it makes you just go for it when your excited about something, even if you are not fully prepared you just want to get it done in some way, it can always be made better, but just the excitement of going for it is well worth the jank temp setup
@@mighty-roman That is exactly what they did... they have a closed loop inside and a closed loop outside running through a heat exchange. No water from the pool goes to the copmuters at all. Hence the antifreeze in the outside loop, and the bio-cide in the inside loop.
Some people must learn the hard way. Others demonstrate what happens the "hard way" so the rest of us can learn without experiencing that pain. Thanks Linus et al!
These videos are really just a grift. He's getting advertisers to give him free stuff that he wants in his house so that he personally benefits (himself and his family... not the company) without having to actually pay for things, he agrees to make videos to promote the products. Then he double-dips by monetizing the videos.
it's funny because the pool cooling crept into my thoughts a couple days ago and I ended up thinking to myself "you know, if I did this, I'd probably use a heat exchanger closer to the server", but for very different(convenience/maintenance) reasons
This would drive me nuts too. all that pool water could literally end up in their basement from nothing else than gravity. No way my wife would put up with that janky shit. @@michael.petraeus
@@michael.petraeus that's wat bothering me to, how can you sleep at night with this jank water cooling setup that has an entire pool behind it. This thing has the potential to ruin his whole basement xD
I've never seen a computer produce that much smoke that fast, and I've personally seen our lighting struck PC tower explode in the mid 90s. But there was way more smoke from that 2 seconds of being plugged in.
I've seen a computer literally on fire and it produced less smoke. I half suspect that "smoke" was added in post production for dramatic effect although I can't be sure. I'm sure there absolutely was smoke, I just question if they "enhanced" it for dramatic effect.
Blowing up a large electrolytic capacitor can produce that amount of smoke and given that it died the instant power was applied it wouldn't surprise me if the power supply blew.
It wasn't shot down. If you listened to the podcast you'd know that's what they're doing anyways. Linus is not dumb, he knows that's how it's supposed to be done. That said, he said he chose otherwsie for entertainment purposes.
Probably already been suggested but perhaps you should fit a few water leak sensors in a few places, at least you might have a chance to save some equipment should something start to leak and get a early warning about it.
If he's using an APC UPS it probably already has the connections for leak detection, not sure how it works but I'd guess it can kill power when it detects water
@@BrooklynRaaage Most of the higher end UPS' have multiple environmental sensor attachment points. So if he can find a 12v generic leak detector then the UPS can power it and relay it to the system, as well as perform emergency power off.
With your reservoirs, you should have placed the bulkheads at the top with internal tubes that reach the bottom of the tank. This leaves you without needing to worry about leaking. Plumbing 101. Something else I would do with the distribution blocks is place them outside of the server rack and below your servers (or at least just below if you do keep them in the rack) that way if they do begin to leak in the future you have much less, if zero chance of the water flowing down the tubes directly into the backs of your servers.
With the dist blocks below the servers you'd need to worry about air bubbles resting near the quick connects. But I do agree outside the rack would have been smarter.
Yeah, that just looks like a disaster waiting to happen. I don’t get their design decisions. He spent so much on that house and all that setup and cheaper out on things like the manifolds and mounting them. Better to mount them in their own storage with a reservoir and leak detector rather than waiting them to spray water all over the inside of the server cabinet.
Unless the pump being used is self priming the outlets needed to be at the bottom of the tanks with the pumps bellow to get water into the impellers. Edit: I guess the pump is somewhat self priming so maybe that would have worked.
From what I understand that's much less of a problem with modern pex vs. the older stuff, so it's not as vital. Still probably a good idea just for maximum longevity.
@@thentilThere still is UV light even when it's cloudy or overcast. Edit: and there's like 3 months in the summer where it's sunny in the Pacific Northwest. He definitely should be concerned about it.
@@TheTechhXNo, it isn't. If i had to explain to you why, I'd start with: the Pareto principle (80-20 rule) means that for many outcomes, around 80% of the consequences come from 20% of causes. From the popular understanding of this principle, this would only mean that as Linus continued his efforts farther past this 20% that achieved the 80%, his efforts would become less effective; it doesn't, however, mean that his efforts would reverse his progress. Perhaps you could read some of the search results for the "Pareto principle," even if it's just the Wikipedia page. Not that I know much about it: I just know that this definitely didn't fit my understanding of the 80-20 rule.
He has the money, he should be paying for professionals to install everything. He could fake all of this janky garbage for the videos but still have a working house.
Every single one of these videos is "our last set of choices led to a predictable disaster, but we figured it out this time!" Looking forward to learning how this all went wrong (and how obviously, too) in the next one.
Yes, this isn't so much got in a professional as, got some advice from a professional (/got them to do a tiny bit) and then janked up everything else slightly less. Although putting tap water and salts (potassium iodide) in the PC loop? There's most definitely going to be follow-up videos.
Also, they didnt seem to have properly fixed or tested the cause of the leak, namely one system overheating and not shutting down, but rather melting/weakening the tubing. Any pump failure (or other flow inhibition) can lead to the exact same failure mode again
I was combing comments looking for this one. I too want to know why the Ubiquiti switch died and what was causing a 25 amp fuse to pop immediately upon closing the circuit.
I appreciate the way Alex and Linus are like "I bet a pool would be able to cool this rack" and then spend way too much money to make it work. Reminds me of a friend of mine who always had crazy involved ideas that would theoretically work and would be cool to show people. Im a fan.
Should have used PEX-A instead of PEX-B. The expansion connections for PEX-A have almost no flow restriction because the fitting inside diameter is the same as the tubing. An expansion tool is used to stretch the tube and a compression ring. Since it takes a few seconds to return to original size, it's easy to pop the fitting in or slip the tube on then wait a bit. Next to impossible to get it wrong. The tube and ring is constantly trying to return to its original size so it's always exerting pressure on the fittings. If an angled fitting isn't pointing the right way, it can be carefully twisted around inside the tube without causing a leak. PEX-B fittings have an inside diameter that's smaller than the tubing. The metal crimp rings can be crimped poorly in many ways. The tubing is always trying to return to its original size so it's *pushing outwards* against the crimp ring, the same way water pressure is pushing on the tubing. All that's keeping it in place is the metal ring. If the fittings will be exposed to conditions where metal can corrode you must use stainless steel crimp rings. Otherwise the rings can corrode though then there will be leaks. If PEX-A gets kinked, simply heat it up with a heat gun and manipulate the kinked area to help it restore to shape. If PEX-B gets kinked the kink has to be cut out. Installing a coupler* to fix it adds another flow restriction so it's best to pull the whole length of tube and replace it (use the pieces for shorter runs) or cut it off and pull more from the roll, being careful to not kink it again. *Or decide that the kinked spot is where you were planning all along to install a T. For redoing connections on PEX-A you use a sharp utility knife and a heat gun. Carefully slice across the ring and heat. Slice deeper until the ring splits - without cutting into the tube. Heat up the tube and it can be pulled off the fitting. It is not recommended to re-crimp PEX-B. A bit of the tube should be cut off after cutting off the crimp ring. With either type, if the tube gets cut or nicked when taking it off a fitting, cut the end off to get a fresh end. If the sealing surface of the fitting gets scratched (especially across one of the ridges) it's safest to discard the fitting because it could leak.
So easy to find people who criticize what you did.....So rare to find people who teach you the right way, explaining and pointing out what (and why) you did wrong. Thank you for that !
@@sivansharma5027 slightly higher burst pressure, which is unlikely to happen with properly functioning plumbing, and the crimping tools are low cost. Electric expander tools for PEX-A start at around $400. Manual expander tools cost less but have long levers and can be cumbersome to use and difficult to impossible to use in tight spaces.
I would have added a pressure valve for the bypass loop that opens if the pressure rises above a set point. This way, if he takes machines out of the loop and the pressure rises, it opens as needed to bleed off pressure. I'd also love to know what caused that switch to lose it's magic smoke. I'm thinking maybe a spritz of water made it's way up there?
Maybe one of those custom cables was buggered? It only happened when he plugged it in with the new cable, but I'll be buggered if I know what about it could do that
It’s hard to tell what happened because after he yanks the cord out like a child would, it cuts to all the new cables connected so who knows. The amount of smoke makes me think the cable worked for a short time and something got super hot. If wires were crossed it would have tripped the breaker instantly with no time to heat up. I’m thinking the active and neutral wires were touching somewhere in the cable and there isn’t any overload protection on that circuit.
@@mitchellwilson12354 could be although being A/C usually it wont matter as much, but if maybe live and ground where swapped i could see that dumping 120v all over the ground plane, i guess it all depends on the PSU that ubiquity switch uses. if hes lucky its just a dead psu, and maybe wont need the whole switch replaced
@@mitchellwilson12354reversing live and neutral doesn’t matter for AC, only DC. But if one of those was swapped with the earth wire it would be an issue.
Get some leak sensors in there and tie them into home assistant for notification, and maybe add a controllable valve on the lines too. One of those tubes starting to leak out and nobody noticing (or being home) is a disaster waiting to happen.
Around 11:49 they talk about labelling the flow-direction. This comment is soley based on my experience as a Marine-/Operations & Maintenance-engineer, in Denmark, working with district heating, sea water heatpumps and what not, within those categories. Practices vary based on location. The flow direction is best labelled (example ANSI A13.1) with arrows, description and color coding (hot, cold, in, out etc.). Even on smaller projects like this it makes a huge difference doing the proper groundwork before commissioning, if it ever goes south (probably will, them manifolds sketchy). AND for the love of god, get those manifolds out of the cabinet and put a drip tray under them! Also saw another comment suggesting putting leak-detection on the system, also a very good idea. Other than that, I dig this project. Its cool, and a very cool way of cooling the rack :P
Sad there's no floatplane extended exclusive on this. Linus's house upgrades are the only reason i would think about subbing. I want to see all the fails and solutions to maybe do something similar one day, or just dream about it...
The results are absolutely insane! Not sure why the skimping on the distribution manifolds though. Would also move as much of the water outside the rack as possible. If you must have it in the rack, put it at the very bottom!
But doing things smart and safely doesn't make it's own content... I mean, how many 'fixed' version vids has Linus milked out of this? If your goose is laying golden eggs, you don't go to the vet and ask them for a 'cure'.
I'd be really concerned about that iodine btw. That's potassium iodide + iodine, it's pretty much taking table salt and going a step down on the periodic table. IE it'd basically be like adding table salt to the loop. Massive potential for dissimilar metal corrosion. Also Iodine itself is a relatively reactive element it may straight up attack your cooling blocks/plating's etc. You don't need anti-freeze but there's other types of algicide and corrosion inhibitor type stuff you might really want to look at instead. On the other hand, yay in 4 months we get new videos lol
water weter would be good its meant for cars when you run strait water but is not an antifreeze its meant for race aplactions where they don't want glycol on the track encase of an incident
I would say that he would be better off with copper sulphate, but that is only if He has copper-based water blocks and fittings. He would be better off however using an all-in-one additive for liquid cooling applications anyway, given that he's got a titanium heat exchanger. This means that he has already got a dissimilar metal scenario in his loop no matter what, so it will have the correct bio sides and corrosion inhibitors already in the solution.
Calcification in his pipes pump and block where the water gets hot or even just slightly warm is going to be a HUGE issue within 3-4 months as well because of potassium added, actually to further expand to this, this entire project failed the moment they didn't even realize they borked it up immensely. That was the moment they filled the loop with tap water and THEN added potassium on TOP of that. What on earth was the idea there, accelerate calcification?
16:55 The cable you pulled fresh out of the wall like that banged against the metal of the rack with at least one of the leads, which still had a charge behind it (capacitor), and put a large current on the ground of the switch.
I was wondering if the plug banging against the rack had something to do with it but I know next to nothing about electronics so it was interesting to read this explanation.
@@alexatkin you're right, I definitely missed the cut in the editing the first time. It's even a different unit that goes up in smoke than the one that it showed him pulling out
@@alittlebitintellectual7361 true, but then you can stop any water damage to the house's foundations. If he gets a flood there, it's going to be an expensive job
@@bcbock Yes, from the $100 Million company HE AND HIS WIFE OWN. Not to mention that the income on the videos MORE than cover the cost of any material / labor.
A lot of people including myself had write on the pool colling episode that you should use an heat exchanger to separate water loops and possibly contamination, but great that you finally contact a professional plumber and had a great recommendation from him
I didn't really watch the pool cooling episode, but here, 15 seconds in and I was thinking - "wait, no heat exchanger? they're pumping dirty pool water through CPU blocks!?" And there isn't even a performance reason to forego it, the pool water has plenty capacity to keep the heat exchanger near the same temperature as the pool water itself.
@graealex It was never the actual pool water. There's piping running through the concrete floor of the pool. Like reverse in-floor heating. On an unrelated note, the only thing I recommended last video that they didn't implement is a heat-exchanger bypass through a simple fan coil. As it is, if they have to shut down the pool glycol loop for servicing, the server will have no cooling whatsoever. Secondly, if the glycol circulation pump dies, the server will have no cooling. The bypass valve would be set to automatically switch to the fan coil loop if the pump stops running. Thirdly, if the glycol loop drops close to zero in the winter, there will be condensation issues. The bypass valve could be set to modulate between the HX and the fan coil to maintain a minimum safe temperature for the indoor loop. I was an HVAC Automation Controls technician, so it was my job to program these kinds of setups. Now that it's coming up on winter, I expect to see a part 3 where they deal with condensation issues.
You should talk to alphacool about their industrial server watercooling. They probably have quick disconnect distribution blocks. Less chance of leaks and no need to turn off the whole system if you want to add or remove one.
Personally, I would have liked to see the Water distribution blocks near the bottom of the rack. A leak would just pool to the floor instead of running down the hoses into the computers. In other industries we provide a drip loop and a diversion trough to shed water to where we can tolerate it.
That would be too smart and failsafe. Imagine this was indeed the last time they needed to touch the piol watercooling loop, now where's the fun in that? 🙃
I just wonder how much is deliberately jank and how much is actual ignorance, not that they arent smart, just that they always seem to gloss over, or not even think about a lot of shit, again, i dont know how much is like that in order to get content, and how much is them being them Having said that, i wish i could see one of these videos go exactly as planed and handled professionally for once, because i can see it right now, in fact, im.gonna call it, those distribution blocks/manifolds ARE going to leak and fuck something up, because the hoses are literally guiding the water into the systems lol and ffs, how do you crossthread that one? If you know for a fact those are delicate, like, cmon, did he just jam it in there, tighten it until it feels soft again and then be done with it?
The hoses from the manifolds should have had a drip loop.... as in the hoses should have gone down below where they were connected to the computer and then come back up again. What will happen with the current setup is if there is a leak at the manifolds, the water will trickle down the hoses straight to the outside of the computers. The water will likely then have a good chance of finding a way into the computer cases.
If you start an npt thread by going backwards a turn you can usually feel it fall into the thread right. Massively lessen the chance of cross threading. It's good practice for all threads in plastic really and small screws in aluminum.
I wonder if you've got feedback on the neutral leg of your electricity. Might explain the blown fuse and the switch blowing up. There's a lot of pumps and whatnot going on around there. Would be worth looking into.
Neutral ain't very neutral in a system like this... Some replanning of the power distribution would make a big difference, shortest path to ground and all that.
I hope he has some water detector sensors in that room, to alert him as soon as something goes wrong and maybe shuts down the power in there, especially if there's no drain in there
I did something similar with an outdoor pond back about 10 years ago, i had a closed loop going from a water block out to the pond where i had it hooked to a submurged heater core from a saturn. It worked pretty good until i sold that house. I moved north so keeping the heat out wasnt so much of an issue as it was when i was in texas.
They don't need it. If they had someone who knows what they're doing, this would have been flawless. Instead, he relied on Dumdum Alex, and he ended up with a botched mess.
@@Bob_Smith19 Not sure why Alex is getting all the hate. Linus is the one basically have electricians do plumbing and plumbers do electrical. Alex is doing exactly what engineers do, provide exactly what the client asks for with no regards for maintenance, repair, or longevity.
My hypothesis that they're making this house build over the top janky on purpose in order to milk the maximum number of "this blew up, watch Jake and Alex do more stuff they don't know" videos out of it, is still holding. I'm here for it.
Great theory... great theory... But Linus. Jokes aside, this is one of those things so complicated and also rarely done because of all the cost and time overhead, that it was always going to have problems unless they had experts helping them through every step... which isn't sustainable, and not the point of the channel. Their content is for everyone to enjoy and learn when they're not the stuck-up experts-in-everything the Gamer's Nexus crowd touted themselves as during the recent blow-up.
After so many years watching this channel I finally got what's the real scope of life: solving problems you create yourself for fun. When you're there means you're ahead of external problems, unconditioned. And that should be good to feel
I love these guys as creators because they do this projects as poorly as possible to then coming back and show what we were expecting to happen and then finally implemented a better solution.
Love this series. Something to be aware of, those plastic manifolds have a nasty habit of breaking over time, and you typically can't replace just the single valve that breaks. (Aka you are replacing the whole manifold when one valve goes bad) I typically make my own manifold out of solid brass valves, linked together with Plex. They last forever, and if one does go bad you can swap out an individual valve.
Amazin work and a great example of how to use all that heat for something productive. It might be beneifical in the long run though to put some cut off valves into the loops and branches to allow for swap outs and maintenance without having to shut down the house side loop, stick pressure gauges in the loops so you can monitor for leaks more easiliy, and perhaps not mount the distribution manifolds directly to the server rack, just in case and so that when it comes to maintenance and swap out you dont get dribbles near the server systems
@@olotocolo Lol come on man. They probably just asked "yo does anyone know a good plumber" and Jake was like "yeah, my stepdad is actually a plumber". That's not cutting corners.
@@BrianHealyMusicThey were a professional and they were paid to do the job, it's as simple as that. It could be a family member, it could be someone they found on some ad. It's not relevant and in the end it doesn't make a difference. Some people apparently just can't understand that and love to jump straight to accusations, implying the person wasn't paid just because they are a friend or someone's family member.
I really worry about the distro block, more with the fact that Alex said that it's compromised with incorrect fittings and excessive silicone.and the way the hoses hang is alot of leverage.
If the leak killed two boards there's a good chance that it compromised any other tech that was in the rack at that time. At least that would be my first suspicion.
For the "in vs out" confusion, you should be naming it "chilled water supply" and "chilled water return" for the Server loop, and "cooling water supply" and "cooling water return" for the pool loop. That would remove any confusion about which line you are talking about.
From another comment: Alex commented on the Floatplane video:- _Fuses blew due to bad Sata adapters. As for the switch we have no idea what happened, checked the power cable with a multimeter and it was all good. Just replaced the switch and it has been fine_
Pro-tip when troubleshooting a short on a DC fuse without needing a ton of fuses or cooking circuit breakers. Put a light bulb (sealed beam headlight works great) in place of the fuse with jumper wires. It will limit the current flowing through the circuit to a max of whatever the bulb will pass (usually 3-5 amps for a car headlight), and if you still have the short, it will light up bright. Once you eliminate the short, it will drop to dim to not at all depending on the resistance left in the circuit.
I actually had the same issue with tubing. Core memory, I was playing Half Life Alyx, and my cat was sleeping ontop of my computer, covering one of my exhaust fans. The other fans didn't ramp up, and over temp protection didn't really work, and it just caused the tubing to get hot and melt / deform, causing a massive leak.
this is why you should have a plate heat exchanger. You really should hire a pro commercial plumber to clean all of this up. If it looks like hack works, there will problems and it will be hard to fix. If it's clean and professional, it's easy to fix what's wrong and keep it running.
Yes rich parents tend to spoil their kids...have you seen vids of Dubai etc where abandoned Lamborghini and Ferrari are all over sitting for years on the side of the road
@@mrmotofylinus stated that his kids aren't spoilt too much yes they have a lot of tech and cool stuff in their house but his parenting is really good. They have to work to get Computing time. He encourages physical activity (for example BeatSaber or outside activities), Learning Based Games are always allowed without needing to ask. He also spends time with his kids often so yeh his kids might be spoilt but they still have restrictions and aren't spoilt brats
I have feeling they are going to opt out of the family Lan center and would rather play in their rooms because they won't want to talk over eachother and lack of privacy. So like when they are teenagers
@@volcanhacks Yeah, I saw that particular WAN show, and most of the others where things got mentioned. Even though I'm older without having raised kids and far from as wealthy, his and Yvonne's approach to parenting seems pretty sound. It doesn't even really depend on income and how high the tech is when talking about raising kids that become spoiled brats.
In EU You'd crimp metal ferrules on stranded wires before installing to prevent short circuit in case one of those tiny strands broke (and possibly touched something)
Good thing Linus seems to be doing rather well financially and has a team of people to figure out fixes. Seems every time they are in his house something expensive gets destroyed. Speaking of, if they ever sell just imagine the poor inspector trying to go through that house. Wires, cables, and random hoses EVERYWHERE.
The correct amount of teflon tape is the minimum amount you can get away with. But in a closed look system like this, the correct amount is NONE. Use the goop!
I'm happy now that you could have more time to work on projects and this is a result of it. This experiment is way more robust than the previous one. Keep up the good work
That switch blowing up was a bit concerning, especially since it's a quite high-end Unifi Switch. If possible, please show what happened to that switch and maybe you can find out why it happened
This needs more likes. I'm burning with curiosity
Probably got messed up from the water... wouldn't surprise me
@@c.s.7474you might just be right from the spraying of the loose fitting
Well, it's Unify, not really a Cisco.
Who knows what things still had residual water in them and just connecting fittings was a enough to move it around then fry it.
Who could have seen this coming? Absolutely not me!! As a plumber, he did everything right and didn’t mess anything up. Absolutely no corners were cut.
😂😂😂
I don't know if this is the case but I feel like this was a little sarcastic 😂
@@Rayneswordwell, I am a boiler/chiller installer, and even watching this one I’m still cringing but less so…. I’m all for jank in the workshop. But this is $30k worth of computers and servers…. Why cut corners?
@@Raynesword im not a plumber but i know enough to know that it is very sarcastic 😆
wow, that is some tasty sarcasm! nicely served! haha
I like how the water knew not to mess with Yvonne's computer
LMAO
The pool water had Linus' DNA when his Airpods dropped into the pool.
@@patrickjeromeobaldo2450ofcourse he never used the pool since he got it
XD
Wouldn't have been worth it for the water.
???? is she abusive or something?
Alex commented on the Floatplane video:-
_Fuses blew due to bad Sata adapters. As for the switch we have no idea what happened, checked the power cable with a multimeter and it was all good. Just replaced the switch and it has been fine_
Most likely the entire cabinet has water damage? During the fist incident I would not be surprised if the water heated enough to be steam, steam rises...
might have something to do with linus unplugging cables
The new video with broken power supply concerns me
It seems he might have problems with return voltage from pumps or something
@@prophoenix212 broken power supply actually happened before this video. They were released out of order due to some important footage being on linus's phone that went for a swim.
@@Spudmechanic yeah I wonder if maybe the power source is cursed?
I'm actually genuinely surprised it lasted this long
yeah i'd have given it like 3 days
Honestly, i gave it like 6 hours until some rocks got lodged in it, blocked the flow and made it explode.@@ghomerhust
New system looks a lot better. But the manifold looks jank and I don't think he has any sensors checking loop temperatures, pressures and flow rate. Also he would need to slow the pool pump down once it gets cold outside, to avoid condensation inside. Check the temperature of the heat exchanger and set a minimum temperature for it and shut the pool pump down once it is reached. It's very well possible he has done this, but its not covered in the video.
It only took this long because he also soaked his phone in the pool and lost relevant footage.
No "Brian the Electrician-Handyman-HVAC-do-everything-guy" this time I guess.
@@handlemoniumHe moved years ago. This was all caused by Alex and Linus’s reluctance to pay people for their expertise.
IMPORTANT NOTE: At 5:30 when Alex says they are using “Red PEX” instead of “White PEX” what he meant to say is they are using “Oxygen Barrier/Closed Loop/Radiant Heating” PEX or “PEX-AL-PEX” instead of regular PEX. The color of PEX DOES NOT indicate it’s official capabilities, but is just meant to helpfully color code to keep track of things like which line is hot or cold.
So regular PEX can come in white, red or any variety of colors, but that doesn’t mean it has an “Oxygen Barrier/Closed Loop/Radiant Heating” PEX.
“Oxygen Barrier/Closed Loop/Radiant Heating” PEX and “PEX-AL-PEX”, while typically found in red, can also come in other colors.
this guy tubes
tubular
This bothered me also! And I'm glad somebody said something. Rather I'm glad somebody that knew what they were talking about said something. I knew what he said didn't make sense, I just didn't know the details so I'm glad you shared that.
Idk who needs this info thx any way
@@Abdurrahman24251 Arguably this info is far less useless than your comment there eh bud?
For labeling, instead of "in" or "out", HVAC systems label them as "supply" "return" with arrows. Supply means the water is cold. So you label both end of the tube chilled water supply if the water hasn't been warmed by the computers.
yes, in and out needs a reference point. however both ways of supply/return and arrows are absolute and can be understood by anyone
I would use artery and vein.
At this point I'm convinced Linus makes the most scuffed setups on purpose so he can make more content out of the inevitable catastrophic repair video
Bingo!
Yep, the life of a content creator of his size and style
we don't mind LOL
@@BleepBlop-rh9lm No, some of us do mind actually ...
I'm not convinced.
You might want to put a water sensor by those fittings so if there is a leak you will have a kind of warning and a notification
And a way to shut off the pump and put the computers to sleep.
Yeah I feel like sensors and a shut off can pretty easily be hooked into his z-wave smarthome setup
@@___Vortex___they already sell stuff like that for zwave so yeah its a no brainer when the leak can literally fill the room lol
Also should have a sensor to make sure that sensor is working properly.
@TriMMA343 well yeah. At a professional setting. Safe kinda goes out the window for home projects.
From his home automation, to AV setup, to pool water cooling, the next owner of his house is going to have one giant mystery to figure out how it all works.
Will probably be easier to reformat completely
It's the real life version of that Geico commercial with the DIYer putting in a murphy tub.
They won't have to figure out how it all works because none of it be working.
Homeowners should keep a living manual for the next owner. Write down all the workings of the house as you change it
@@shellderpmost do. All the houses I build come with the drawings of EVERYTHING, all of the user manuals that came with all the products, surveys, and any other information. My company builds high end custom homes from about $1M-8M. And there's always a ton of stuff. It's usually transferred to the owner in a large storage box.
Usually when watercoolers leak it’s a small issue, but with Linus, no issue is small
To compensate for his height, his problems are much larger than they should be
I guess he's overcompensating
Yeah HES small 😂
the issue is always twice his size
Except his hight
OUT and IN is definitely prone to confusion. I'd use arrows, and a label next to the arrow to what's on the other side.
It can be interpreted either way. Like if you want to move a meeting "forward" on a calendar: is it happening earlier or later?
Or use flow and return, like you would in a heating system.
Or just use arrows
I like
source - device in - device out - return. Arrows are very important because some pipes can see reverse flow in some conditions so specifically calling that out is an important marker.
HOT and COLD are the correct labels as there is no way to confuse those. Since he's using QDCs on the computers, those should also be gender-matched so that the COLD port on the computer is female and the HOT port is male.
Even without labels, gender-matching QDCs in this manner is the correct way to do it. The flow direction should be from male to female. Thus, the COLD supply side of the manifold should have male connectors, and the HOT return side of the manifold should have female.
Apologies for the reply to an 8-month-old comment.
The junction section being in the rack is terrifying, pls point it outwards at least HAHA
The legend himself! I would love to see you getting a custom PC from Linus some day. 😅
@@M1tZk1 Would be awesome, but he already has a rather killer setup
It would be cool if you could do some pc based content in the future
Loool I just came here straight up from your BMW M3 GTR update video and the least thing I expected was to find the pants man 🤣
Greetings from Mexico 🇲🇽, love your videos sooo much
I was thinking the same, Linus is just begging for another computer failure because of a leak, especially when the junction was leaking on a couple occasions already...
I don't remember, does he at least have a drain in this room if shit hits the fan and they're not there to handle it immediately?
Leak sensors might be a smart investment... They make rope ones that detect leaks on the whole length of rope, so you can wrap it around a hose or surround a component
A negative pressure system combine with a failure to hold negative pressure may be easier to install and more safe.
@17:57 that's not a leak sensor rope is it? confusing
That fire and the instantly blowing fuses were a bit concerning. Hopefully you get that sorted out before something much worse happens.
Yeah.
I'm thinking he might have a grounding issue somewhere.
Yeah, it will not funny to have video about linus burnt house.
my first thought was if thats PoE and does not have diode isolation - that power cord he unplugged could have been live and grounded to the rack@@The_Keeper
nah, a lot of janky installments and a plastic water manifold in the inside of a rack, full of computer and ups equipment. what could possibly go wrong?
I wish they would have expanded on that. They mentioned finding excess motherboard standoffs under the boards and that seems like a potential cause of short circuits
At this point, the server setup is sophisticated enough to merit a clearly laid out circuit diagram indicating the currents, loads and fuses. Similarly, a coolant diagram, and a fire safety plan should be clearly visible along with an emergency shutdown switch.
And water leak sensors everywhere
Yes! They need you on staff or something xD
@@walkinmn Yaaaasssssssssssss!
crazy not to have these with his smart home setup. There's like 50 varieties lol@@walkinmn
this guy OSHA's
Every single video on watercooling convinces me that it is not remotely worth the hassles.
Noctua NH-D15 ftw!.
AIOs are as close to that as I'm willing to get. And even then, I picked it over air cooling for RAM clearance rather than cooling effectiveness. All the air coolers I was looking at had terrible RAM clearance.
Ehhhh, if I have a weekend off and the $5000/$10000 to make it worth while that sounds like a fun weekend
i mean, i feel like linus's setup is a bit of an extreme example that no one else is going to come even close to doing lmao
correction:
Every single video on watercooling, done by LMG
Linus, you should get a few leak sensors, toss them around the server rack (probably below the manifold) and add them to home assistant. Set it up to text you when it detects water. Just an idea and a little bit of peace of mind :)
>text on water detection
Connect your pump to a smart plug/relay and have it shut down automatically along with power to the pcs?
@pawepiat6170 Great idea!
Don't. "My server room burned down" videos do fantastic in the algorithm
They should also design so they dont need them so much - all leads and hoses should be setup so the bottom of the run is away form the system so drips dont go in. Why arent the systems upside down? Why is there no consideration to leak paths?
This is really basic stuff for even outdoor systems, let alone this.
too bad it's already too late by the time you get the notification
As someone who watches a lot and always feels kinda dumb with how versed everyone is with computers on the channel, these types of videos make me feel way better. Watching them try to figure out basic plumbing is always funny.
We all have our blind spots
Even with all these the current system looks like a recipe for disaster.
I would setup a smaller tank and move water from pool there and connect all CPUs to that smaller tank(it'll be in the same room as CPUs - with filter & everything). Along with that have sensors and other alert systems set up for that smaller tank.
Even with their current system many things could get wrong depending on the pool status and the weather status.
Using silicone sealant on fittings is a terrible idea. Can’t wait to see how it’ll leak.
@@catriona_drummond I doubt thats the case, If I were a betting person I would bet that even without the cameras rolling Linus would do a temp setup just to get it working, hes talked about having ADD/ADHD a lot, and as someone who also has ADHD, I can tell you that it makes you just go for it when your excited about something, even if you are not fully prepared you just want to get it done in some way, it can always be made better, but just the excitement of going for it is well worth the jank temp setup
@@mighty-roman That is exactly what they did... they have a closed loop inside and a closed loop outside running through a heat exchange. No water from the pool goes to the copmuters at all. Hence the antifreeze in the outside loop, and the bio-cide in the inside loop.
"Basic" plumbing, sure
Some people must learn the hard way. Others demonstrate what happens the "hard way" so the rest of us can learn without experiencing that pain. Thanks Linus et al!
That silicone isn't going to hold it for ever, i give it max of 2 years.
And you are being very generous
@@rallinrallen8040 i know, i always try to be XD, i think with the rate he is using it, it will take 3 to 6 months max.
In my experience, *et al* is rarely used outside of research papers, so I get a chuckle the rare times someone uses it.
I'm a little sad we missed the troubleshooting bits. I really wanted to see what happened to that switch, and same for the fuse that was shorting out.
Me too!
I'm gonna guess it was a ShortCircuit! 😜
... due to water ingress, I mean.
Probably a FP exclusive
I'm sure it had nothing to do with water spraying everywhere.
I agree, I would have loved to see it!
For a "expensive high tech house" build series, there is a ton of jank and bad decisions. Can't wait to see more!
These videos are really just a grift. He's getting advertisers to give him free stuff that he wants in his house so that he personally benefits (himself and his family... not the company) without having to actually pay for things, he agrees to make videos to promote the products. Then he double-dips by monetizing the videos.
@@scrazzle you say that like its a bad thing?
@@scrazzleYou forgot the part where the entire house is a production expense. Free stuff plus free house. Gotta love tax loopholes.
Most professional installs are full of jank and bad decisions lol
@@Bob_Smith19 that's not how taxes work
Linus’s house was just trying to emulate Linus’s ability to break things by breaking his computers
No, this is just a Linus's ability to break things. He supervised and planned the whole plumbing setup
@@kreuner11 fr
it's funny because the pool cooling crept into my thoughts a couple days ago and I ended up thinking to myself "you know, if I did this, I'd probably use a heat exchanger closer to the server", but for very different(convenience/maintenance) reasons
Now we just has to wait until Linus shows us exactly how his basement has a sudden and unplanned conversion into an indoor pool.
One of those odd Japanese pools that run a slight current through the water, even
@@michael.petraeusThe benefits of being a multi--multi-millionaire.
This would drive me nuts too. all that pool water could literally end up in their basement from nothing else than gravity. No way my wife would put up with that janky shit. @@michael.petraeus
@@michael.petraeus they know the risks. the bleeding edge cuts those that reach for it.
@@michael.petraeus that's wat bothering me to, how can you sleep at night with this jank water cooling setup that has an entire pool behind it. This thing has the potential to ruin his whole basement xD
I've never seen a computer produce that much smoke that fast, and I've personally seen our lighting struck PC tower explode in the mid 90s. But there was way more smoke from that 2 seconds of being plugged in.
I've seen a computer literally on fire and it produced less smoke. I half suspect that "smoke" was added in post production for dramatic effect although I can't be sure. I'm sure there absolutely was smoke, I just question if they "enhanced" it for dramatic effect.
Blowing up a large electrolytic capacitor can produce that amount of smoke and given that it died the instant power was applied it wouldn't surprise me if the power supply blew.
it was the switch that died
@@oliverer3especially if it was the switch psu and was getting loaded
Back when CRT monitors were the only thing you could get. I had a new monitor bellow out thick black smoke first time it was turned on.
I like how this issue wouldn't have happened had Jake's proposal for a heat exchanger last video wasn't shot down 🤣
Why anyone would listen to Alex over Jake is baffling.
why anyone would think it is a good idea to pump that dirty water directly through the waterblock is baffling @@cbob213
Even by Linus standards, not using a heat exchanger before is wild. Especially after whole house water cooling lol.
but more content
It wasn't shot down. If you listened to the podcast you'd know that's what they're doing anyways. Linus is not dumb, he knows that's how it's supposed to be done. That said, he said he chose otherwsie for entertainment purposes.
Probably already been suggested but perhaps you should fit a few water leak sensors in a few places, at least you might have a chance to save some equipment should something start to leak and get a early warning about it.
If he's using an APC UPS it probably already has the connections for leak detection, not sure how it works but I'd guess it can kill power when it detects water
@@charlesturner897does that not relate to current leakage rather than water?
@@BrooklynRaaage Most of the higher end UPS' have multiple environmental sensor attachment points. So if he can find a 12v generic leak detector then the UPS can power it and relay it to the system, as well as perform emergency power off.
@@MsSgent Oh cool. TIL!
Before the house floods
With your reservoirs, you should have placed the bulkheads at the top with internal tubes that reach the bottom of the tank. This leaves you without needing to worry about leaking. Plumbing 101. Something else I would do with the distribution blocks is place them outside of the server rack and below your servers (or at least just below if you do keep them in the rack) that way if they do begin to leak in the future you have much less, if zero chance of the water flowing down the tubes directly into the backs of your servers.
With the dist blocks below the servers you'd need to worry about air bubbles resting near the quick connects. But I do agree outside the rack would have been smarter.
Yeah, that just looks like a disaster waiting to happen. I don’t get their design decisions. He spent so much on that house and all that setup and cheaper out on things like the manifolds and mounting them. Better to mount them in their own storage with a reservoir and leak detector rather than waiting them to spray water all over the inside of the server cabinet.
@@michaelkr1 I don't think they are going to have much issue with air bubbles with the pressure that pump was doing, wew
Unless the pump being used is self priming the outlets needed to be at the bottom of the tanks with the pumps bellow to get water into the impellers.
Edit: I guess the pump is somewhat self priming so maybe that would have worked.
@@bcbockfuture content, my friend.
Just a heads up on the pex being outside you need to cover it, pex degrades with UV.
From what I understand that's much less of a problem with modern pex vs. the older stuff, so it's not as vital. Still probably a good idea just for maximum longevity.
Vancouver gets like 5 days of sun, he's good 😂
Edit: yes, there's still uv on cloudy days, yes, Vancouver gets more than five days of sun, glhf.
I'm pretty sure that the outside stuff is in what was labelled "Pool Shed" in the diagram. I assume they remove the "shed" part to work on it.
@@thentilThere still is UV light even when it's cloudy or overcast.
Edit: and there's like 3 months in the summer where it's sunny in the Pacific Northwest. He definitely should be concerned about it.
@@thentilthats not how uv works
I love how his goal for automating his house only creates more problems the further he progresses towards his goal.
its the 80 20 rule
@@TheTechhXNo, it isn't.
If i had to explain to you why, I'd start with: the Pareto principle (80-20 rule) means that for many outcomes, around 80% of the consequences come from 20% of causes. From the popular understanding of this principle, this would only mean that as Linus continued his efforts farther past this 20% that achieved the 80%, his efforts would become less effective; it doesn't, however, mean that his efforts would reverse his progress.
Perhaps you could read some of the search results for the "Pareto principle," even if it's just the Wikipedia page. Not that I know much about it: I just know that this definitely didn't fit my understanding of the 80-20 rule.
@@FaZekiller-qe3ufI think they were thinking of the 90 10 rule, not the 80 20 rule. Easy mistake to make.
This is the first time one of these videos had a conclusion that was satisfying lol
He has the money, he should be paying for professionals to install everything. He could fake all of this janky garbage for the videos but still have a working house.
17:32 LMFAO. It's how my family looks at me when I tell my friends "go die" or "kill yourself" for purely strategic reasons.
Instead of « in / out » I would label the tubes with « cold / hot » instead, and use blue/red colors
You could but blue and red is clean water for your sink
@@LeePrzy hold up let me drink the water coming out of my pc.... mmm delicious!!!
@@redhel theirs a code book in the us.. your clearly not a tradesman
@@LeePrzy and its used for heating to.
@@juri14111996 red and blue pex is used in your heating system?
17:35 “Im killing myself”
“Just like I’ll kill myself if you don’t check out our sponsor”
💀
Ah yes
lmao
Every single one of these videos is "our last set of choices led to a predictable disaster, but we figured it out this time!" Looking forward to learning how this all went wrong (and how obviously, too) in the next one.
Yes, this isn't so much got in a professional as, got some advice from a professional (/got them to do a tiny bit) and then janked up everything else slightly less. Although putting tap water and salts (potassium iodide) in the PC loop? There's most definitely going to be follow-up videos.
Also, they didnt seem to have properly fixed or tested the cause of the leak, namely one system overheating and not shutting down, but rather melting/weakening the tubing. Any pump failure (or other flow inhibition) can lead to the exact same failure mode again
Clearly the problem with the first plan was insufficient ponies. I'm glad to see that this issue was resolved in the second attempt.
As a plumber and electrician, I have a lot of gripes with the jank BUT, Linus is 100% living his best life. I love it.
Be sure to check the PEX piping outside has UV protection.
It definitely doesn't.
I came here to say this. It needs to have some kind of covering over it or it will crack in pretty short order.
Learn from my mistakes this time instead of Linus': I forgot to do this on a porch sink, and had to redo it less than three years later.
The outdoor lines should really be copper. Even UV stable plastic stops being UV stable eventually.
A shed is getting built over all of it! -AC
I really want to know why the fuse was tripping and why that caught on fire.
right like how could these things be left unanswered. that was wild.
Yea wtf happened with that ubiquity switch thats crazy
I’m pretty sure the room was hot so the water maybe could have ended up in the switch corroding a connection which led to the fuse popping
same here was so annoying they just glossed by those things
I was combing comments looking for this one. I too want to know why the Ubiquiti switch died and what was causing a 25 amp fuse to pop immediately upon closing the circuit.
Insurance company:- how did this happen
Linus:- my pool leaked
I appreciate the way Alex and Linus are like "I bet a pool would be able to cool this rack" and then spend way too much money to make it work. Reminds me of a friend of mine who always had crazy involved ideas that would theoretically work and would be cool to show people. Im a fan.
The video makes way more than the investment, obviously, ltt has ran using this business model since early youtube and unboxings
@@dscarmo I agree with that. Having RUclips is what makes this viable, I just mean for anyone who does t do RUclips to do this. It would be crazy
Should have used PEX-A instead of PEX-B. The expansion connections for PEX-A have almost no flow restriction because the fitting inside diameter is the same as the tubing. An expansion tool is used to stretch the tube and a compression ring. Since it takes a few seconds to return to original size, it's easy to pop the fitting in or slip the tube on then wait a bit. Next to impossible to get it wrong. The tube and ring is constantly trying to return to its original size so it's always exerting pressure on the fittings. If an angled fitting isn't pointing the right way, it can be carefully twisted around inside the tube without causing a leak.
PEX-B fittings have an inside diameter that's smaller than the tubing. The metal crimp rings can be crimped poorly in many ways. The tubing is always trying to return to its original size so it's *pushing outwards* against the crimp ring, the same way water pressure is pushing on the tubing. All that's keeping it in place is the metal ring. If the fittings will be exposed to conditions where metal can corrode you must use stainless steel crimp rings. Otherwise the rings can corrode though then there will be leaks.
If PEX-A gets kinked, simply heat it up with a heat gun and manipulate the kinked area to help it restore to shape.
If PEX-B gets kinked the kink has to be cut out. Installing a coupler* to fix it adds another flow restriction so it's best to pull the whole length of tube and replace it (use the pieces for shorter runs) or cut it off and pull more from the roll, being careful to not kink it again.
*Or decide that the kinked spot is where you were planning all along to install a T.
For redoing connections on PEX-A you use a sharp utility knife and a heat gun. Carefully slice across the ring and heat. Slice deeper until the ring splits - without cutting into the tube. Heat up the tube and it can be pulled off the fitting.
It is not recommended to re-crimp PEX-B. A bit of the tube should be cut off after cutting off the crimp ring.
With either type, if the tube gets cut or nicked when taking it off a fitting, cut the end off to get a fresh end. If the sealing surface of the fitting gets scratched (especially across one of the ridges) it's safest to discard the fitting because it could leak.
So easy to find people who criticize what you did.....So rare to find people who teach you the right way, explaining and pointing out what (and why) you did wrong. Thank you for that !
So why does PEX-B even exist, given how inferior it is to A?
@@sivansharma5027 cost, probably
@@sivansharma5027 slightly higher burst pressure, which is unlikely to happen with properly functioning plumbing, and the crimping tools are low cost. Electric expander tools for PEX-A start at around $400. Manual expander tools cost less but have long levers and can be cumbersome to use and difficult to impossible to use in tight spaces.
Alex learning how to properly apply Teflon tape is the most engineer thing ever.
IIRC you only need like a single layer of the tape on the threads. Seems like he might have used a bit much and made it harder to screw in.
Because engineers never know how to apply anything to real world it goes to the tradesmen to be able to do anything.
@@orangerider2827 Yes. That was the implication of the comment. Great job parsing that out!
@alanleuthard7619 thanks for parsing my comment out, which was the entire point.
Anything more than two layers…
I love how people are so used to Linus that no one noticed the MLP whiteboards they were using 😂
I miss the haters.
I was looking for this comment and fount them hilarious xD
Fluttershy is best pony.
I would have added a pressure valve for the bypass loop that opens if the pressure rises above a set point. This way, if he takes machines out of the loop and the pressure rises, it opens as needed to bleed off pressure.
I'd also love to know what caused that switch to lose it's magic smoke. I'm thinking maybe a spritz of water made it's way up there?
Maybe one of those custom cables was buggered? It only happened when he plugged it in with the new cable, but I'll be buggered if I know what about it could do that
@@mattymerr701Maybe one of the cables had live and neutral reversed or something. That could definitely cause some magic smoke to be released.
It’s hard to tell what happened because after he yanks the cord out like a child would, it cuts to all the new cables connected so who knows. The amount of smoke makes me think the cable worked for a short time and something got super hot. If wires were crossed it would have tripped the breaker instantly with no time to heat up. I’m thinking the active and neutral wires were touching somewhere in the cable and there isn’t any overload protection on that circuit.
@@mitchellwilson12354 could be although being A/C usually it wont matter as much, but if maybe live and ground where swapped i could see that dumping 120v all over the ground plane, i guess it all depends on the PSU that ubiquity switch uses. if hes lucky its just a dead psu, and maybe wont need the whole switch replaced
@@mitchellwilson12354reversing live and neutral doesn’t matter for AC, only DC. But if one of those was swapped with the earth wire it would be an issue.
Get some leak sensors in there and tie them into home assistant for notification, and maybe add a controllable valve on the lines too. One of those tubes starting to leak out and nobody noticing (or being home) is a disaster waiting to happen.
Around 11:49 they talk about labelling the flow-direction. This comment is soley based on my experience as a Marine-/Operations & Maintenance-engineer, in Denmark, working with district heating, sea water heatpumps and what not, within those categories. Practices vary based on location.
The flow direction is best labelled (example ANSI A13.1) with arrows, description and color coding (hot, cold, in, out etc.). Even on smaller projects like this it makes a huge difference doing the proper groundwork before commissioning, if it ever goes south (probably will, them manifolds sketchy). AND for the love of god, get those manifolds out of the cabinet and put a drip tray under them! Also saw another comment suggesting putting leak-detection on the system, also a very good idea.
Other than that, I dig this project. Its cool, and a very cool way of cooling the rack :P
Just trying to push this to the top
Sad there's no floatplane extended exclusive on this. Linus's house upgrades are the only reason i would think about subbing. I want to see all the fails and solutions to maybe do something similar one day, or just dream about it...
The more I watch LTT, the more I'm convinced that standard, simple builds are the best builds.
I often wonder how out of his way he would go to make things hard on himself if he wasnt a youtuber. lol
Everyone should live their life by the K.I.S.S. Principle.
@@Bob_Smith19Keep It Stupid Slinus?
The more I watch, the more I'm convinced measure twice, money once.
@@firstname565he's mentioned on wan show the pool water cooling wouldn't have happened if it wasn't a youtube series
The results are absolutely insane! Not sure why the skimping on the distribution manifolds though. Would also move as much of the water outside the rack as possible. If you must have it in the rack, put it at the very bottom!
But doing things smart and safely doesn't make it's own content... I mean, how many 'fixed' version vids has Linus milked out of this? If your goose is laying golden eggs, you don't go to the vet and ask them for a 'cure'.
@@twiz66 That is the perfect saying for this.
I'd be really concerned about that iodine btw. That's potassium iodide + iodine, it's pretty much taking table salt and going a step down on the periodic table. IE it'd basically be like adding table salt to the loop. Massive potential for dissimilar metal corrosion. Also Iodine itself is a relatively reactive element it may straight up attack your cooling blocks/plating's etc. You don't need anti-freeze but there's other types of algicide and corrosion inhibitor type stuff you might really want to look at instead. On the other hand, yay in 4 months we get new videos lol
water weter would be good its meant for cars when you run strait water but is not an antifreeze its meant for race aplactions where they don't want glycol on the track encase of an incident
Yes those blocks are going to corrode like mad.
I would say that he would be better off with copper sulphate, but that is only if He has copper-based water blocks and fittings. He would be better off however using an all-in-one additive for liquid cooling applications anyway, given that he's got a titanium heat exchanger. This means that he has already got a dissimilar metal scenario in his loop no matter what, so it will have the correct bio sides and corrosion inhibitors already in the solution.
Calcification in his pipes pump and block where the water gets hot or even just slightly warm is going to be a HUGE issue within 3-4 months as well because of potassium added, actually to further expand to this, this entire project failed the moment they didn't even realize they borked it up immensely. That was the moment they filled the loop with tap water and THEN added potassium on TOP of that. What on earth was the idea there, accelerate calcification?
@@grasstreefarmerbut isnt the anti-freeze in the other loop. So that water never comes in contact with the water block
Alex is rocking the Edison Motors hat!! Love to see you supporting a great company and a great person!!
Love the cutting edge PonyCAD software, a must have in every engineer's toolchain
PonyCAD ftw
16:55 The cable you pulled fresh out of the wall like that banged against the metal of the rack with at least one of the leads, which still had a charge behind it (capacitor), and put a large current on the ground of the switch.
Had to scroll way too far to find a comment even just talking about this. Thanks for your service
I was wondering if the plug banging against the rack had something to do with it but I know next to nothing about electronics so it was interesting to read this explanation.
Nothing in the video showed that, it only showed him pulling one plug out and right after he had plugged the smoking device in.
@@alexatkin you're right, I definitely missed the cut in the editing the first time. It's even a different unit that goes up in smoke than the one that it showed him pulling out
More like the new cable had the internal wires connected wrong on one of the ends. Linus did mention 'Custom' and we all know what that means.
Its nice to be able to live vicariously through Linus and Jake.
Such an iconic power couple
@@guska5523 Just add Alex for the most jank throuple you could ever want.
I love that you have My Little Pony on the white board paper showing the abstract of the work. LOL
I would highly recommend moisture sensors that kill the power if they are tripped
The moment itll detect anything, damage will already be done
but contained@@alittlebitintellectual7361 otherwise the limit would be the fuse itself
@@alittlebitintellectual7361 true, but then you can stop any water damage to the house's foundations. If he gets a flood there, it's going to be an expensive job
@@user-op8fg3ny3j there isnt enough water in the loop for extensive damage to the house.
Glad to see the LTT House consistently producing quality content. Great addition to the team!
AKA Embezzlement House.
@@bcbock Yes, from the $100 Million company HE AND HIS WIFE OWN. Not to mention that the income on the videos MORE than cover the cost of any material / labor.
I wonder when it will pay for itself in revenue from content.
A lot of people including myself had write on the pool colling episode that you should use an heat exchanger to separate water loops and possibly contamination, but great that you finally contact a professional plumber and had a great recommendation from him
They knew that during the original video and were just trying to not have to
I didn't really watch the pool cooling episode, but here, 15 seconds in and I was thinking - "wait, no heat exchanger? they're pumping dirty pool water through CPU blocks!?" And there isn't even a performance reason to forego it, the pool water has plenty capacity to keep the heat exchanger near the same temperature as the pool water itself.
@graealex It was never the actual pool water. There's piping running through the concrete floor of the pool. Like reverse in-floor heating.
On an unrelated note, the only thing I recommended last video that they didn't implement is a heat-exchanger bypass through a simple fan coil. As it is, if they have to shut down the pool glycol loop for servicing, the server will have no cooling whatsoever.
Secondly, if the glycol circulation pump dies, the server will have no cooling. The bypass valve would be set to automatically switch to the fan coil loop if the pump stops running.
Thirdly, if the glycol loop drops close to zero in the winter, there will be condensation issues. The bypass valve could be set to modulate between the HX and the fan coil to maintain a minimum safe temperature for the indoor loop.
I was an HVAC Automation Controls technician, so it was my job to program these kinds of setups. Now that it's coming up on winter, I expect to see a part 3 where they deal with condensation issues.
@@zierlyn Thanks for the information.
I love the edison motors hat. Glad to see someone else supporting them!
You should talk to alphacool about their industrial server watercooling. They probably have quick disconnect distribution blocks. Less chance of leaks and no need to turn off the whole system if you want to add or remove one.
Realistically if he wanted to do this the easy way he could, and that would be installing air conditioning TBH.
Put RED LINE - WATER WETTER in the PC side loop ! If it werks on a racecar - it will werks on your pc !
@@strawberyyicecreamdream216 Easy would have been a water cooled rear door to the rack and air cool.
Personally, I would have liked to see the Water distribution blocks near the bottom of the rack. A leak would just pool to the floor instead of running down the hoses into the computers. In other industries we provide a drip loop and a diversion trough to shed water to where we can tolerate it.
That would be too smart and failsafe. Imagine this was indeed the last time they needed to touch the piol watercooling loop, now where's the fun in that? 🙃
I was thinking the same thing - zero consideration was given to drip paths or having the bottom of catenaries away form the system
I just wonder how much is deliberately jank and how much is actual ignorance, not that they arent smart, just that they always seem to gloss over, or not even think about a lot of shit, again, i dont know how much is like that in order to get content, and how much is them being them
Having said that, i wish i could see one of these videos go exactly as planed and handled professionally for once, because i can see it right now, in fact, im.gonna call it, those distribution blocks/manifolds ARE going to leak and fuck something up, because the hoses are literally guiding the water into the systems lol and ffs, how do you crossthread that one? If you know for a fact those are delicate, like, cmon, did he just jam it in there, tighten it until it feels soft again and then be done with it?
They just replace one kind of janky solution with another 🙃 it's research, except not at all necessary.
But then we wouldn't get another video in 6 months when it fails again
The hoses from the manifolds should have had a drip loop.... as in the hoses should have gone down below where they were connected to the computer and then come back up again. What will happen with the current setup is if there is a leak at the manifolds, the water will trickle down the hoses straight to the outside of the computers. The water will likely then have a good chance of finding a way into the computer cases.
Side note, I LOVE Alex’s Edison Motors hat!
If you start an npt thread by going backwards a turn you can usually feel it fall into the thread right. Massively lessen the chance of cross threading. It's good practice for all threads in plastic really and small screws in aluminum.
Yep, really good practice in general. Go backwards a bit to fall into the thread properly. I even find myself doing it with bottle caps.
Any thread really. Especially recommended when going into plastic.
I'm surprised a lot of people don't know about this
I wonder if you've got feedback on the neutral leg of your electricity.
Might explain the blown fuse and the switch blowing up.
There's a lot of pumps and whatnot going on around there.
Would be worth looking into.
Time to bring back Brian the Electrician from Northern BC for a special investigative ep!
Neutral ain't very neutral in a system like this... Some replanning of the power distribution would make a big difference, shortest path to ground and all that.
yeah, I too got really conecered about all the AC problems. Please just don't skip over them, investigate and show the resolution.
I will be so surprised if I don't see a video in a month with Linus telling us its broken again
I will unsub when I see that
@@StaticVapour590 ill unsub then resub! with out turning on notifications!!!
im looking forward to it tbh :p
Let us hope
Since when
I admire your perseverance with this project!! It’s been a long time in the making.
I hope he has some water detector sensors in that room, to alert him as soon as something goes wrong and maybe shuts down the power in there, especially if there's no drain in there
Cant believe pool water computers would end badly 😭😭
Jokes aside, this is absolutely sick
As someone who has been doing pool maintenance for quite a while, I’ve been expecting this and surprised it took this long
I did something similar with an outdoor pond back about 10 years ago, i had a closed loop going from a water block out to the pond where i had it hooked to a submurged heater core from a saturn. It worked pretty good until i sold that house. I moved north so keeping the heat out wasnt so much of an issue as it was when i was in texas.
That's when you have no clue and don't use a local heat exchanger to separate pool water from the actual main loop for the PC.
So happy to see alex is still wearing the edison motors hat.
I remember that someone suggested using a heat exchange and linux was like "Nah we don't need it"
I REMEMBER THAT TOO, I think it was jake
They don't need it. If they had someone who knows what they're doing, this would have been flawless. Instead, he relied on Dumdum Alex, and he ended up with a botched mess.
I've been suggesting it to him for over a year too!
Alex is the epitome of why Engineers suck. He has no clue what he’s doing when it comes to everything he touches.
@@Bob_Smith19 Not sure why Alex is getting all the hate. Linus is the one basically have electricians do plumbing and plumbers do electrical. Alex is doing exactly what engineers do, provide exactly what the client asks for with no regards for maintenance, repair, or longevity.
My hypothesis that they're making this house build over the top janky on purpose in order to milk the maximum number of "this blew up, watch Jake and Alex do more stuff they don't know" videos out of it, is still holding. I'm here for it.
Sound hypothesis. It's hard to watch sometimes, usually when Alex gets involved because I know whats coming.
My cynical side see's this being a likely truth. I have considered it myself as well. Maybe it's not even that cynical, just good business sense...
Yep yep yep 😁
Great theory... great theory... But Linus.
Jokes aside, this is one of those things so complicated and also rarely done because of all the cost and time overhead, that it was always going to have problems unless they had experts helping them through every step... which isn't sustainable, and not the point of the channel. Their content is for everyone to enjoy and learn when they're not the stuck-up experts-in-everything the Gamer's Nexus crowd touted themselves as during the recent blow-up.
@@WidgyAinzI would say it’s all on purpose but this project is so complicated + no professionals doing it, I’m suprised it’s even working well
For the hose labeling if it's confusing today it will be downright baffling months from now if you need to do any maintenance/repairs.
Exactly. Flow arrows are unambiguous.
After so many years watching this channel I finally got what's the real scope of life: solving problems you create yourself for fun. When you're there means you're ahead of external problems, unconditioned. And that should be good to feel
I love these guys as creators because they do this projects as poorly as possible to then coming back and show what we were expecting to happen and then finally implemented a better solution.
Love this series.
Something to be aware of, those plastic manifolds have a nasty habit of breaking over time, and you typically can't replace just the single valve that breaks. (Aka you are replacing the whole manifold when one valve goes bad) I typically make my own manifold out of solid brass valves, linked together with Plex. They last forever, and if one does go bad you can swap out an individual valve.
Or just buy an off the shelf brass manifold block.
Don't worry they'll make another video when it breaks. I feel like they're just milking this now.
Linus' daughter saying, "I'm killing myself" was gold in that scene
Amazin work and a great example of how to use all that heat for something productive. It might be beneifical in the long run though to put some cut off valves into the loops and branches to allow for swap outs and maintenance without having to shut down the house side loop, stick pressure gauges in the loops so you can monitor for leaks more easiliy, and perhaps not mount the distribution manifolds directly to the server rack, just in case and so that when it comes to maintenance and swap out you dont get dribbles near the server systems
They use quick disconnects to enable them to do so without valves :)
I love that even when they got a pro to work on it it was an employee's Step-dad 😂
its not that deep champ@@olotocolo
@@olotocolo Lol come on man. They probably just asked "yo does anyone know a good plumber" and Jake was like "yeah, my stepdad is actually a plumber". That's not cutting corners.
@@BrianHealyMusicThey were a professional and they were paid to do the job, it's as simple as that. It could be a family member, it could be someone they found on some ad. It's not relevant and in the end it doesn't make a difference. Some people apparently just can't understand that and love to jump straight to accusations, implying the person wasn't paid just because they are a friend or someone's family member.
Well, it was Luke's dad who ran all the pipes for whole room watercooling. There is precedent.
I really worry about the distro block, more with the fact that Alex said that it's compromised with incorrect fittings and excessive silicone.and the way the hoses hang is alot of leverage.
More the fact that Alex compromised it with incorrect fittings and silicone. I thought they were meant to have the right parts this episode.
An accident waiting to happen
I would like to see a follow up video troubleshooting all the weird blown fuses and sparks
If the leak killed two boards there's a good chance that it compromised any other tech that was in the rack at that time. At least that would be my first suspicion.
For the "in vs out" confusion, you should be naming it "chilled water supply" and "chilled water return" for the Server loop, and "cooling water supply" and "cooling water return" for the pool loop. That would remove any confusion about which line you are talking about.
Keep it simple - just Hot / Cold and Inside / Outside
Would've loved to find out what the issues were with the blown fuse and the switch on fire -- and the solutions!
There was clearly some sort of electrical problem in that room, I'm very curious
With the blown fuse, Jake was saying he didn't trust the SATA power adaptor it was plugged into, but they never confirmed it.
it's only north of 25amps 😅@@Th3_ArCh0n
Nonono. That's for floatplane. Now you have to pay for the interesting in depth content we all subscribed for years ago
From another comment:
Alex commented on the Floatplane video:-
_Fuses blew due to bad Sata adapters. As for the switch we have no idea what happened, checked the power cable with a multimeter and it was all good. Just replaced the switch and it has been fine_
I'm surprised you've not rigged this all up with moisture sensors to avoid this in future
Pro-tip when troubleshooting a short on a DC fuse without needing a ton of fuses or cooking circuit breakers. Put a light bulb (sealed beam headlight works great) in place of the fuse with jumper wires. It will limit the current flowing through the circuit to a max of whatever the bulb will pass (usually 3-5 amps for a car headlight), and if you still have the short, it will light up bright. Once you eliminate the short, it will drop to dim to not at all depending on the resistance left in the circuit.
Would be awesome to have a follow up on that unifi switch that K.O.'d itself
I actually had the same issue with tubing. Core memory, I was playing Half Life Alyx, and my cat was sleeping ontop of my computer, covering one of my exhaust fans. The other fans didn't ramp up, and over temp protection didn't really work, and it just caused the tubing to get hot and melt / deform, causing a massive leak.
this is why you should have a plate heat exchanger. You really should hire a pro commercial plumber to clean all of this up. If it looks like hack works, there will problems and it will be hard to fix. If it's clean and professional, it's easy to fix what's wrong and keep it running.
But they'll make more money than they spend fixing the jank on the sponsored videos about it!
The smart home series and new house series in general is some of my favorite LTT content ever
I think he needs some water sensors inside of that rack/room to detect small leaks before it's too late.
his kids have a better gaming experience than most adults 😂 they have their own freaking computer computer room the size of a school’s classroom
Yes rich parents tend to spoil their kids...have you seen vids of Dubai etc where abandoned Lamborghini and Ferrari are all over sitting for years on the side of the road
@@mrmotofylinus stated that his kids aren't spoilt too much yes they have a lot of tech and cool stuff in their house but his parenting is really good. They have to work to get Computing time. He encourages physical activity (for example BeatSaber or outside activities), Learning Based Games are always allowed without needing to ask. He also spends time with his kids often so yeh his kids might be spoilt but they still have restrictions and aren't spoilt brats
I have feeling they are going to opt out of the family Lan center and would rather play in their rooms because they won't want to talk over eachother and lack of privacy. So like when they are teenagers
@@volcanhacks Yeah, I saw that particular WAN show, and most of the others where things got mentioned. Even though I'm older without having raised kids and far from as wealthy, his and Yvonne's approach to parenting seems pretty sound. It doesn't even really depend on income and how high the tech is when talking about raising kids that become spoiled brats.
@volcanhacks Yah, I hear it. I wonder if it can be the reason why his daughter says, "I'm killing myself"...
17:00 ahh. A future video to fix the problem
The most instructable(and reasonable) part is the teflon how to 😂
In EU You'd crimp metal ferrules on stranded wires before installing to prevent short circuit in case one of those tiny strands broke (and possibly touched something)
9:09 from my experience: glycol is the best biocide you need, and also it somehow stops copper/aluminum corrosion
Good thing Linus seems to be doing rather well financially and has a team of people to figure out fixes. Seems every time they are in his house something expensive gets destroyed. Speaking of, if they ever sell just imagine the poor inspector trying to go through that house. Wires, cables, and random hoses EVERYWHERE.
Home inspector: "Why the fuck is the pool connected to the basement?!"
@@superslash7254 I believe some prominent people use that method to destroy evidence...
don't tell the Fire Marshall
The correct amount of teflon tape is the minimum amount you can get away with. But in a closed look system like this, the correct amount is NONE. Use the goop!
Good to know! I'll bear that in mind for my systems in the future, thanks ❤
I'm happy now that you could have more time to work on projects and this is a result of it. This experiment is way more robust than the previous one. Keep up the good work