Neat little box, it seems like there are a couple tiny compromises that make it not the perfect machine but "good enough" for some uses. It seems like if they could cut the price down (or when these are on the used market in a couple years), it would be a great "do it all" machine.
I doubt a machine like this that checks all the boxes and takes three months to arrive (unless you're a RUclips influencer) will drop in price in a couple years. Plus, the Tiny Mini Micro effect and Joe Biden's economy will keep it unobtanium for the average homelabber for quite some time. I can't wait for my three MS-01s to arrive!
I think that it was either Patrick or Wendall who said that they wished that the chassis was JUST a bit taller so that you would be able to at least fit a dual slot, low profile GPU in there -- because that would be awesome. I think that Jeff from CraftComputing also talked about some expansion card incompatibilities as well. But once you apply the Intel microcode update to a Proxmox install -- it can be a very potent machine. My current "do it all" Proxmox server (with dual Intel Xeon E5-2697A v4 processors) is currently carrying a load average of somewhere between 30-120 as I just redeployed my Plex server, via a LXC container, that's sharing a RTX A2000 6 GB (between multiple LXC containers), and said redeployed Plex server is now re-indexing stuff.
5:46 indeed, "it is insane" how "so much much you can do with this" is limited with SFF form-factor for otherwise capable specs hardware. It does make a potentially interesting low-power 4x SPF+ with 2x Aux interfaces router, but then again at that price point its a premium for SFF constraints while any Supermicro mobo with two x8 slots will do the same (for fraction of cost used).
I got mine last week. It kicks butt and the networking choices are great. It’s running a Windows 11 vm and five Linux vm’s (one with a desktop) much better than my Dell R730 ever did.
Is there a way to create a SAN for ESXi with this machine? I mean with sfp+ it would be very nice to connect it to a little storage(most NAS Systems support iSCSI) for a bigger Datapool and you can use a faster raid option than the internal RAID 1 of the ms 01 which is managed by the cpu so u lose performamce.
It would be great if you could show us a compatible PCIE multi-NVME card that has its own RAID controller. This would be very useful to avoid data loss.
Hardware RAID is generally considered unnecessary these days, software RAID can use core processing power and with the number of cores available on a system like this it will be faster than and just as reliable as a dedicated hardware RAID chip.
I can't say anything about the hardware itself because I am still waiting for my order, but If I knew about the long shipping times I would never order the MS-01! At first there were some delays because of chinese new year hollidays, now it seems there are some problems with the power supply at the factory. I'm not sure if to believe anything Minisforum says at this moment Be aware, since they charge you the full amount on day one of your order and you wait MONTHS for the order to arrive.
Does it support sleep states with nvme and u.2. installed? Or even just nvme. And is no bifurcation confirmed or is it just the particular card you tested? Thanks.
Is it just me, or does it seem like most of the problems with this unit is that they ran out of space? I mean, just design it a little bit bigger, next generation. Yeah, people gonna be OK with that. We'd MUCH rather have the functionality and room to work with. It would still be small enough. Why does it need to be so little, to begin with? It's not like it needs to be portable! It doesn't run on batteries. You'd still need to plug it in. Also, I'd want more gen 4 or 5 NVMe slots, so I can use larger capacity drives. Gen 3 is pretty llmited in size. I don't care about the speed so much as the capacity in a system like this, since we don't have the space for adding more drives.
Not bad little machine. Although a little pricey. Also, I am curious about the 4 port 2.5 gig NIC add on card, what is the model number for it? Thinking might use it for pfsense.
i find that too expensive for a homelab, if people need that kind of power, they can definitevely an alternative product that dont cost at those price, but look like a good product
can any one confirm if any expansion cars fits in the pcie slot e.g TEKQ Databank M4 Support 4 Port M.2 SSD Expension Card PCIe 3.0 x 16 PCIe Adapter Card, Up to 32TB RAID Controller Card Broadcom PEX-8724, Supports Non-Bifurcation Motherboard, with Active will this fit in the pcie slot thank you
Minisforum MS01 is nice, I found with Minisforum AMD Ryzen™ 9 7945HX-BD790i ITX motherboard you get 16c/32 threads cpu good for ProxMox. Otherwise I'm waiting on MINISFORUM HX200G release which has similar CPU and better graphics.
mmmmm 4 stack mvmes...that would be the cherry on top for sure. Though I would feel guilty running it as just a NAS....ProxMox would be killer tho....I wonder if you could fit a card with bifurcation controller on board, but the lack of 16 makes me think this would be a no go.
@@jk-mm5to I think he mispoke as I looked up the specs it is a a x16 PCI! I looked at the specs online, Nova said it was only x8. I am thinking if you get a board with a Bur controller on board it would work!
Their page say : "DDR5-5300 MHz Dual Channel (SODIMM slots ×2, up to a total maximum of 64 GB)" - but an article on servethehome w/ the i9 13900H model claims 96 GB RAM, is has a window$ settings screen capture that show : "96.0 GB (95.7 GB usable)", so yes it is working with that amount of memory (Hmmm, this likely smells of ZFS…)
@@SaadOUACHE I'm watching servethehome video at this time, they use two Crucial DDR5-5600 SODIMM 48GB 1.1V CL46, SKU : CT48G58C46S5. The fact that you only can run it @4800 is probably due to the brand you use or the number of ranks , as some "brands" do not hesitate to embellish specs (Crucial is the commercial branch of Micron).
What kind of typical home lab needs gen 13 i9 power? Instead, as an example: mint condition $140 (refurbished) Dell OptiPlex 7050 Micro, 3.1GHz i5-6500T, 16G DDR4, 256G SSD, Windows 10 Pro 64 Bit, Ports: 1 x RJ-45, 1 x HDMI, 1 x DP, 6 x USB 3.0, supports 4K (3840x2160) dual display
Hi, I just made a research about USB4 and SATA I/F and found a result (@newegg) with a Maiwo 4 × 3.5" HDD (≤ 16 TB) bay, doing RAID 0, 10 & 5 (don't care) plus JBOD (care a lot) and a 4k HDMI output for a quite cheap bargain ($150), which means you can hook 8 HDDs using two of them on both USB4 of this computer - that make it quite a powerful file server even able to make some calculations while serving the lab (well, the lab or up to a medium size office - that makes it a game changer for cheap HA setups). Not bad, not bad at all - thanks for the video as I did not knew this kind of machine existed yet.
Absolute crap quality. I already had problems on Installation. It died just 2 months after using it. Power On doesn't work anymore. Never again Minis-Forum.
this thing is way overpriced, with 800 bucks one can build a descent desktop with GPU and monitor, I dont know why you pay 800 bucks for this little raspberry pi
Varies. Not if you take the small form factor into consideration. At 196 mm x 189 mm x 48 mm -- I doubt that you would be able to match this, in terms of feature parity, at the same size and price.
Neat little box, it seems like there are a couple tiny compromises that make it not the perfect machine but "good enough" for some uses. It seems like if they could cut the price down (or when these are on the used market in a couple years), it would be a great "do it all" machine.
Compromises like not hosting 10 more pi compute modules internally? 😂
@@alanbraithwaite4724 Heh, well the internal slot *is* big enough for the Pi-KVM CM4 PCIe card, so you could boot a Pi in there for IPMI :D
I doubt a machine like this that checks all the boxes and takes three months to arrive (unless you're a RUclips influencer) will drop in price in a couple years. Plus, the Tiny Mini Micro effect and Joe Biden's economy will keep it unobtanium for the average homelabber for quite some time. I can't wait for my three MS-01s to arrive!
I think that it was either Patrick or Wendall who said that they wished that the chassis was JUST a bit taller so that you would be able to at least fit a dual slot, low profile GPU in there -- because that would be awesome.
I think that Jeff from CraftComputing also talked about some expansion card incompatibilities as well.
But once you apply the Intel microcode update to a Proxmox install -- it can be a very potent machine.
My current "do it all" Proxmox server (with dual Intel Xeon E5-2697A v4 processors) is currently carrying a load average of somewhere between 30-120 as I just redeployed my Plex server, via a LXC container, that's sharing a RTX A2000 6 GB (between multiple LXC containers), and said redeployed Plex server is now re-indexing stuff.
I love seeing interaction between content creators on here.
5:46 indeed, "it is insane" how "so much much you can do with this" is limited with SFF form-factor for otherwise capable specs hardware.
It does make a potentially interesting low-power 4x SPF+ with 2x Aux interfaces router, but then again at that price point its a premium for SFF constraints while any Supermicro mobo with two x8 slots will do the same (for fraction of cost used).
Only one of the ethernet ports can be managed by vPRO, the one closest to the SFP+ port.
6:27 plenty of mini pcs from HP, Dell, Lenovo have vPRO with full KVM enabled.
Please test iGPU Xe passthrough to a LINUX based Proxmox VM.
I got mine last week. It kicks butt and the networking choices are great. It’s running a Windows 11 vm and five Linux vm’s (one with a desktop) much better than my Dell R730 ever did.
Purchased one of these last night.
Cant wait for it to arrive.
Is there a way to create a SAN for ESXi with this machine? I mean with sfp+ it would be very nice to connect it to a little storage(most NAS Systems support iSCSI) for a bigger Datapool and you can use a faster raid option than the internal RAID 1 of the ms 01 which is managed by the cpu so u lose performamce.
It would be great if you could show us a compatible PCIE multi-NVME card that has its own RAID controller. This would be very useful to avoid data loss.
Hardware RAID is generally considered unnecessary these days, software RAID can use core processing power and with the number of cores available on a system like this it will be faster than and just as reliable as a dedicated hardware RAID chip.
I can't say anything about the hardware itself because I am still waiting for my order, but If I knew about the long shipping times I would never order the MS-01!
At first there were some delays because of chinese new year hollidays, now it seems there are some problems with the power supply at the factory.
I'm not sure if to believe anything Minisforum says at this moment
Be aware, since they charge you the full amount on day one of your order and you wait MONTHS for the order to arrive.
And how do you get spare parts? With HP, Dell, Lenovo mini PC's I can easily afford having spares around, and each year they're getting cheaper.
waht about the intel micro code debacle ? will it affect the i9 13900H? should i not use it until we get the update?
10mm would have made a lot of difference here but still pretty good kit - the zen5 variants should be even more fire - maybe 128gb ram capacities
Does it support sleep states with nvme and u.2. installed? Or even just nvme. And is no bifurcation confirmed or is it just the particular card you tested? Thanks.
What is the MSI gpu you have in this?
Which GPU are you using in this video?
so how much did you spend total for this ?
Is it just me, or does it seem like most of the problems with this unit is that they ran out of space? I mean, just design it a little bit bigger, next generation. Yeah, people gonna be OK with that. We'd MUCH rather have the functionality and room to work with. It would still be small enough. Why does it need to be so little, to begin with? It's not like it needs to be portable! It doesn't run on batteries. You'd still need to plug it in.
Also, I'd want more gen 4 or 5 NVMe slots, so I can use larger capacity drives. Gen 3 is pretty llmited in size. I don't care about the speed so much as the capacity in a system like this, since we don't have the space for adding more drives.
Not bad little machine. Although a little pricey. Also, I am curious about the 4 port 2.5 gig NIC add on card, what is the model number for it? Thinking might use it for pfsense.
There is a Radeon RX 6400 that is low profile single slot if you want to use a slightly better gpu in it.
better gpu, but also more fan noise.
Is it just me or did you say MiniForum? (without the S in between).
Damn, this looks awesome and powerful for its size
i find that too expensive for a homelab, if people need that kind of power, they can definitevely an alternative product that dont cost at those price, but look like a good product
can any one confirm if any expansion cars fits in the pcie slot
e.g TEKQ Databank M4 Support 4 Port M.2 SSD Expension Card PCIe 3.0 x 16 PCIe Adapter Card, Up to 32TB RAID Controller Card Broadcom PEX-8724, Supports Non-Bifurcation Motherboard, with Active
will this fit in the pcie slot
thank you
Minisforum MS01 is nice, I found with Minisforum AMD Ryzen™ 9 7945HX-BD790i ITX motherboard you get 16c/32 threads cpu good for ProxMox. Otherwise I'm waiting on MINISFORUM HX200G release which has similar CPU and better graphics.
Thanks for the great video. I have a question. Is ist possible to connect my pc with usb 4 to the computer and connect to a network share?
There is a weird adaptor you can buy for this I actually have one
Without an adapter? If your PC has TB4, then yes you can use Thunderbolt Networking directly at 20 Gbps.
Can I pass the integrated GPU Xe to a Linux Container like Jellyfin and to a Fedora Workstation VM in Proxmox?
Yes I made a video on that
No PCIE bifurcation option in bios, really?
mmmmm 4 stack mvmes...that would be the cherry on top for sure. Though I would feel guilty running it as just a NAS....ProxMox would be killer tho....I wonder if you could fit a card with bifurcation controller on board, but the lack of 16 makes me think this would be a no go.
@@HillPhantom it would be nice to bifurcate the x8 pcie to 2x4 to support a dual nvme card. Maybe soon.
@@jk-mm5to I think he mispoke as I looked up the specs it is a a x16 PCI! I looked at the specs online, Nova said it was only x8. I am thinking if you get a board with a Bur controller on board it would work!
@@HillPhantom so a 4x4 furcation bios option should be doable. I have some supermicro boards that do this.
@@jk-mm5to for sure, and they should have built it into this MB, but didn't, seems like a bit of a misstep to me.
Any modern desktop pc with multiple cores make perfect "homelab" servers.
This has two 10gbe port. That's what distinguish it from most other pc and mini pcs.
The price point is to high at this point.
Needs one 3.5 inch internal slot
Nope, it has U.2 which is massively faster (and with better capacity, too).
Impressive, but too pricey for my empty pockets. I'll have to wait a few years for one to turn up on eBay :-(
the dual port m.2 is not dual NVMe its 1 NVMe and 1 SATA
Are you able to confirm the CPU's 96GB RAM max capacity with either Intel or Minisforum. Great video Don
Their page say : "DDR5-5300 MHz Dual Channel (SODIMM slots ×2, up to a total maximum of 64 GB)" - but an article on servethehome w/ the i9 13900H model claims 96 GB RAM, is has a window$ settings screen capture that show : "96.0 GB (95.7 GB usable)", so yes it is working with that amount of memory (Hmmm, this likely smells of ZFS…)
@@hankhulator5007 thank you for the insight
96 Gb Ram is working on my i9-12900H variant although at only 4800
@@SaadOUACHE Nice, thank you
@@SaadOUACHE I'm watching servethehome video at this time, they use two Crucial DDR5-5600 SODIMM 48GB 1.1V CL46, SKU : CT48G58C46S5.
The fact that you only can run it @4800 is probably due to the brand you use or the number of ranks , as some "brands" do not hesitate to embellish specs (Crucial is the commercial branch of Micron).
What kind of typical home lab needs gen 13 i9 power? Instead, as an example: mint condition $140 (refurbished) Dell OptiPlex 7050 Micro, 3.1GHz i5-6500T, 16G DDR4, 256G SSD, Windows 10 Pro 64 Bit, Ports: 1 x RJ-45, 1 x HDMI, 1 x DP, 6 x USB 3.0, supports 4K (3840x2160) dual display
Hi, I just made a research about USB4 and SATA I/F and found a result (@newegg) with a Maiwo 4 × 3.5" HDD (≤ 16 TB) bay, doing RAID 0, 10 & 5 (don't care) plus JBOD (care a lot) and a 4k HDMI output for a quite cheap bargain ($150), which means you can hook 8 HDDs using two of them on both USB4 of this computer - that make it quite a powerful file server even able to make some calculations while serving the lab (well, the lab or up to a medium size office - that makes it a game changer for cheap HA setups). Not bad, not bad at all - thanks for the video as I did not knew this kind of machine existed yet.
It is future-proofed, no question about it. But seems like a little bit as an overkill. Especially with i9
the answer is yes, yes it is
It's a bit pricey.
your shots are very shaky it makes me sick
Absolute crap quality. I already had problems on Installation. It died just 2 months after using it. Power On doesn't work anymore. Never again Minis-Forum.
intel? not anymore please
I totally agree with you, but until there's not the equivalent with an AMD CPU, this one will do.
this thing is way overpriced, with 800 bucks one can build a descent desktop with GPU and monitor, I dont know why you pay 800 bucks for this little raspberry pi
it has a i9 13900h....
U can build a much cheaper one.
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Varies.
Not if you take the small form factor into consideration. At 196 mm x 189 mm x 48 mm -- I doubt that you would be able to match this, in terms of feature parity, at the same size and price.
I’m interested in doing this. Which board and chassis do you suggest?