I’m 22 and live in Billings. My whole life I thought about having a family here. But now as I’m getting older, I have 3 roommates and I still pay what my parents mortgage was when I was born. My parents had a corner house with a front and back yard. I rent have half a duplex and no yard. This is hell
I'm not sure what to say to you if you can't handle the cost of living in Billings. It's very cheap here compared to other cities. Fix your income situation or move to Laurel 🤷♂️
Why don't they just change the formula for calculating property tax? So for example instead of the value of your property mayby the size of your property and the cost of providing services to that county?
When I moved here in '92 there were a lot of Articles in the news about people who had saved, retired and bought homes on Flathead Lake and were now needing to sale their "forever retirement home" because of property taxes. I remember watching the news in Texas when Prop 2 was first passed in CA. Agree needs to be done here. When the selling price of homes skyrocketed during the Covid hysteria cause so many rich liberals moved here, the commissioners took immediate advantage and last year raised our property tax valuations through the roof. Now real estate price have dropped back to lower, on average, to what they were but the property tax scam is in place.
Yes! I would love that if we had that same mindset here in Idaho. We had a candidate running for Governor a few years ago that proposed that for us. Idahoans that have live in our state for decades now pay more because of the new suburbs, schools, and businesses being built. We feel your pain down in Idaho 😊
It was simply said in the video, the realtors are making the "killing" and when Your local river guide, Food server, bartender, auto mechanic can't afford to live in a town that they were raised in, well that is a problem. And Montana is not the only state going through this multi million dollar buy out, Utah, Colorado, New Mexico, Idaho Ya gotta respect the Locals ....
I think what people overlook is that many of those moving to places like Montana are coming from places where they were born and raised, but also can no longer afford to live in. I was born and raised in western washington state and we are looking to move to Montana. Not only can I not buy my own home, I can't buy anything close to it anywhere near here. I have 4 kids, there's no chance they will ever be able to afford their first house anywhere near where we live now. So people like me look to move to places that are more affordable...but yeah that causes problems for those locals too. But what IS the answer then? The real problem isn't people moving, it's the government causing inflation, letting foreigners buy homes to rent out, etc that makes it impossible to live in the big cities. Can't blame those trying to afford to live by moving to smaller cities. Blame needs to be placed at the root cause of the problem.
Here in the tri state of OH,IN,KY to , more condors and subdivisions are taking up space where communities used to be a life line farms are disappearing
No no no, you go to jail for stealing a man’s fishing pole but the realtors are allowed to financially harm lives of anyone they choose. Destroy lives they do. Legally. Hurt you. Hurt back or you’re not even American
@@TRI9POD hey, I'm a native Montanan as well, but I haven't been up to Whitefish in a long, LONG time. I heard that it's been overrun by liberals, is that true?
@@MissusMassacreAll of the state is getting overrun by liberals. Look at the last couple of election cycles, more and more democrats are getting elected. More restrictions, higher taxes, extra fees for some outdoor areas. Montana is gone, I don’t see how we’ll ever get it back. 😢
Thank you for this. I’ve been meaning to make a video myself, if I could catch a break from the three jobs I work. As a single mom who moved back home to Montana to escape an abusive relationship, I was forced out of every rental I could afford by people offering my landlords cash. I moved six times in 4 years. I had no hope of buying despite having great credit, a sizable down payment and great connections. Here in the Bitterroot the Yellowstone tv crew were paying four times as much to rent homes that locals used to live in. I have many friends squeezing entire families into camper trailers. As a bartender I see many outsiders criticizing our service. We are so short staffed because no one who works in the service industry can afford to stay here.
You know I understand Montanan’s complaining but it’s also people from Montana fault because they’re the ones selling their houses and property in general for ridiculous prices and not keeping to their principles.
That's a chronically online take in general, but also shows you... didn't watch the video? Montana has a huge emphasis on property tax in its tax structure. So as values go up, so do taxes. So regardless of whether someone wants to "stick to their principles" taxes will bleed them dry. That was in the first few MINUTES of the video. Not to mention, life just happens and sometimes you have to sell.
There is one huge point that I think really needed to be focused on more, and that several commenters aren’t understanding. I don’t think that the costs increasing is truly the issue because costs are rising in many communities across America, so that’s a universal problem. The point that really needed to be made is what makes Montana different? What makes this a place that we want to protect? Our views on the land (public and private), our wildlife, our way of life and culture! The covid mandates that we didn’t have here that had people flocking to Montana? I can sum the difference up in a few words for you: predominately republican state. The things that makes Montana a place we want to protect, are ideas and policies most often protected by republicans rather than democrats. These people that voted for the politicians that created all those mandates that weren’t liked, they’ve come here and continued to vote for that same party. That’s changing Montana’s culture, and that can be proven by the last few election cycles. I’m also frustrated that so many of these people came here with their remote jobs. Now we have a bigger strain on our city and county infrastructures and local services, and many of these people aren’t even filling any of the vacant jobs that we have! They cause nothing but a strain on many of our communities. I want people to stay out of my state, not because of changing costs; Montana has always been expensive. I want them to stay out because they don’t understand what makes Montana special, unique and different. You can take a boy out of the city, but it don’t mean you can take the city of the boy.
Great video I live in Missoula Montana and your video is spot on It is a beautiful magnificent place Hopefully us locals can manage to enjoy what we are so blessed to have Thank again for a great video That’s an awesome hat and I would love to rock that up here for you !
THAT depends on how rich they were when they arrived in MT, but it held true for me. There was literally NO jobs market --- and I couldn't eat the scenery 😁
10 year Montanan here. It's amazing the change we've seen even in the time I've been here. It's a MUCH different place today than it was just 10-20 years ago. The last 5 years the change just accelerated 10 fold. I'm afraid all of the old Montana will be gone within a generation and no one will even remember it in two.
This is happening a lot everywhere, and in other countries. In the city I grew up in, my dad bought for 65,000 in the 70s, and supported 3 kids and wife. Now? That very house has sold for nearly 3 million, and its just 3 storey house, small front yard, backyard, and garage. Most folks can't afford it... and my dad came from somewhere, to that location, for a better life. The problem here is that now, here certain types of immigrants come over with very deep pockets, some of the money is from proceeds of crime... and then just beat out other offers, over here they call it bully buying... really sad.
I live in Monmouth County NJ multi generation born and raised and see the same thing that Alan from Whitefish see's, the locals being pushed out by NYC, Overseas Investor Billionaires buying out Millionaire's and people from other states moving here for better jobs. I want to move out because of the over population and lean towards the bigger cities to not upset the locals, no matter where in MT is better than here. This is a national problem not just NJ and MT, Billionaires and Government officials abusing their buying power with disregard to the people they are displacing.
It's very sad, but economic policy is promoting inflation and the deterioration of the middle class (and making home ownership unaffordable). The high property taxes sounds more like a democrat scheme... If you think this scenario is hurting the locals in Whitefish ~ look at Maui (and the rest of Hawaii)! I guarantee you, it's 10 times worse... We need MUCH BETTER leadership in this country!
What I think is sad is these people talking about outsiders coming in and raising the taxes and such are the same people who are gonna vote for sheehy and trump
Rant: Quite frankly, it's enraging watching what's happening to this state. Been here my whole life. Currently mid twenties. Blessed with a really good job. Unless something big happens, it'll be very unlikely for me to own a house anytime soon, or at all. The culture is getting eroded. Apartments and condos are going up everywhere and destroying beautiful land, and even with all of the new living spaces, rent is still 2k for a 2 bed apt if you're lucky. And it's rising. And there's a bunch of people moving here from blue states with overreaching governments beginning to try and implement the same policies here. I'm scared that at this rate, we'll end up with terrible policies like in California and New York in ten years. Goofy example, but I had a bunch of losers in my city vote to ban aerial fireworks on the fourth. Permanently. 10 years ago, that would've been unheard of. Laughed at. I really hope we have three years of brutal 0 degree winters that causes everyone moving here to tuck tail and scram. The people who moved here for Montana culture and values will stick it out, and we generally like them. I've got a lot of friends who moved here from out state, and they're great, because they appreciate this state's culture and respect it. Montanan's generally like those people. Yes, we'll make fun of them for being from a liberal hellhole, but it's friendly joking. Unless they try to bring the hellhole with them. Then it's very much not friendly. Those trying to bring their old state's culture with them and that have no respect for the locals need to jet, or not come here in the first place. And Yellowstone needs to get cancelled. That blasted show is not doing us any favors, and is generally disliked by everyone I talk to
WELL, you can see from many of the comments that lots of people don't have any long time memories of how Montana use to be. They think being here for a short time gives them the feel of Montana, NO it doesn't. If you could go back, say, 30 years, you would see the difference, and the change is not for the better.
I understand how the locals feel. But at the end of the day, they aren’t experiencing anything like we are down south. I’ve lived in a country area of Georgia well north of Atlanta and now it’s become like a big city. Nothing but construction everywhere, neighborhoods and shopping centers. Terrible traffic. HIGH taxes. I stayed in a cabin on 200 acres outside of Wilsall for a week and wished I owned it. If I move to Montana, I’ll be buying at least 50 acres somewhere, build a small cabin to live in and keep to myself. Nothing but privacy, peace and quiet.
Have to have deep pockets to land over here. Montana won't be nice for long. To many outta towners moving here. It's sad to see, to be honest. It truly is the last best place. After the yellowstone series this place is like a modern day gold rush.
I grew up in Missoula and went home to visit for the first time since COVID. I had already seen changes, but I saw it more than ever. It's the Montana Government. I don't think everyone knows what the property taxes are paying for. I mean, they all pay taxes for legal pot. Montana has become so expensive it is pushing the middle class out. Only local and new people who care can fix it. I love the place and want to keep it the way it is. So I tell anyone that asks that it sucks and they don't want to go.
My family has been in America for a very long time. I am related to Lewis of the Lewis and Clark expedition. My great grandfather was a homesteader in north eastern Montana. He had a cattle ranch. My grandfather and his brother were part of bringing missiles into the Lewistown, Montana area. I also have relatives in relation to the Shoshone tribe... My husband and I moved to Montana three years ago from Hawaii. My husband is retired military. We have Montana values. Our acceptance here has been challenging to say the least. We are hoping to move back to Hawaii where the people smile and are friendly.
Not sure where you moved to, but I know that rural Montana has adopted the, "If you moved here, we don't like you, no matter your values," attitude pretty universally in the past 10 years. And especially for people who moved here in 2020 onwards. They were already like that before, but the influx of new people in the past decade has heightened that. From what I've seen, that attitude usually fades, but you have to stick it out for 5 to 10 years for it to, and that's pretty brutal. Sorry to hear that it's been really negative though. I'm always saddened to hear stories like yours from people who genuinely want to be apart of the culture. Complete sidenote: I'm related to Clark. That side of the family runs a farm in the Lewistown area, and has since the 1800s I believe.
The biggest issue here is that property and housing in general is at an extreme premium. Many people have started living in vehicles around Bozeman. I’m not sure I’ll be able to afford land here. Where to go? Wyoming. Much cheaper.
I made it to the end of the video. Saw you riding the ski lift down Whitefish mountain. I visited Flathead County, MT last month. It's my 3rd year in a row going to Montana. Most beautiful place I have seen in the lower 48 states. Would love to move there, but cannot afford the house prices. That being said, I think responsibility needs to fall on the MT state legislature. They could have done something in their last legislative session to prevent the property tax increase and did not. Greedy politicians are a big part of the housing crisis. It's not just the locals moving in.
I wish we could close the border. This is the last great place and above all safe place. Everyone knows it and that's why they want to come here. We have bears and 40-below winters trust me you dont want to come here🙄
Preserve its values and its beauty... and it's affordable cost of living. Well the affordable cost of living has been dealt a mortal blow. State governments always encourage the well-off outsiders to move on in and provide a field day for the money hungry developers.
Montana sucks. Wolves, grizzly bears, -40° weather, taxed to shit, everything is expensive, the scenery sucks, and its filled to the brim with people. I hesr North Dakota is really nice though.
Hey welcome to the rest of the country. It’s not easy for most of us. What would you rather have Americans wanting a better life or illegals flowing in from the border. If the Montanans are moving out where are they going?
It cracks me up when people say "Its not affordable anymore, It costs too much, more than when I was a kid." Hey bud, Its more expensive in every state and city in the U.S. than it was when I was a kid... Cost of living, and taxes raise every year, in every state...
Interested in how Montana natives view military retirees... many of us don't have a "home state" after moving around all our lives and many of us already have a "don't tread on me" attitude...
As long as they know how to drive in snow and ice, vote Republican, respect and adapt to our lifestyles, we'll allow it. The bad drivers in winter are the worst because we've all lost people to these idiots.
@@MissusMassacre check, check, and check. Thanks. (Oh, I'm happy to vote for Liberty-leaning Republicans who understand the Constitution, but struggle voting for RINOs...)
@@Crickethillfarm there seem to be a lot of RINOs these days for sure. Which is why we need four more years of the big guy before these idiot Democrats suck us into WW3
Im retired Navy, we own property In thompson falls, was in a laundromat and a old timer was bitching about outsiders and lots should not be for sale, talked to him and he was a viet nam vet ,I told him I was retired and after serving 20 years should be allowed to live anywhere inn US, he shut up.
It’s funny because everyone who lives in Montana is there because someone else went to Montana from somewhere else to begin with. So much entitlement around these parts… it’s America. People can move wherever they want. I recommend getting over it as that’s what everyone’s had to do in California, Seattle,Boise, etc. This isn’t just happening to Montana..
Im a native Montanan on my white side 6 generations on my native side too many to count, I always tell newer folks that I grew up in a town that no longer exists, they think im talking about some small town or a ghost town and they always ask where?...my answer is Bozeman ...the bozeman of the 60s and 70s may she rest in peace.....they killed a remarkable place and turned it into a suburb of LA or Dallas.... and the vicious right wing politics of the new people like our terrible governor jersey greggy gianforte and wannabe senator shady sheehy and maryland matt rosendale are a reflection of people who are not Montanans inspite of a big hat.....
born and raised, the “Montana is full” is definitely some shit that people who move here from somewhere else say. Montana values are all about saying hello being nice to your neighbors having a close knit community, welcoming strangers. It’s still a small world here still a ‘F around and find out’ kind of place.
@@u_ub cool man, ppl were way cool to me then so its good to hear this! only problem is housing costs there r insane! n funny cuz bigger cities r def F around n find out places.....maine HATES everyone nt born here or didnt go to ur highschool, A holes!!
@@u_ub I agree, except that the "Montana is full" thing is something that I hear plenty of native Montanan's say (myself included occasionally, if the person I'm talking to isn't someone who respects the culture and doesn't want to learn to). Montanan's started saying it after more and more people started moving here and seemed to mistake the kindness of everyone for being pushovers. And then the population explosions happened. Now those Montanans are so worn down that they just don't want to be friendly to anyone outside of their circle at all, which is really sad. A lot of Montanans have basically rejected the 'kindness to neighbors' part of the culture because of outsider's perceived lack of respect for the culture in general. I try to be kind, and generally am, to anyone but there's a few people that I pull out the, "Montanan's are feral and the state is full of scary things" card for. My attitude is not helped by the fact that I've been here my entire life (born and raised), but if I want to have a chance of even owning a decent small house (I'm mid twenties), I basically will have to win the lottery, even with my solid and stable job that I've been blessed with. Not saying it's right, but it's real hard to be kind when it feels like you're getting punched in the teeth every day. I try to be kind, but I certainly fail some days.
Natives 😂 bud I got news for ya....just because somebody was somewhere first doesnt mean its thiers. Thats woke idiocy to think its still theres. The strong take....its the law of the jungle and just think had the White man not civilized them and allowed cultural approproiation they'd all be extinct. Facts!
You took the words right out of my mouth so many goddamn woke liberals keep coming here Hell in Bozeman they replaced the POW flag outside town hall with the pride flag
Who wants to live in Montana very depressed in state when it comes to weather you have 10 months of winter two months of summer. No beaches, no amusement parks the locals they don’t like minorities. It was the worst experience I ever had in my life in the food sucked East Coast. Life is the best.
Some people rather live in nature than near beaches and amusement parks that attract a lot of people. If I lived in Montana I would be far from depressed. It’s the true American state that still uphold values of living off the land and taking care of it.
I love the guy in the tshirt and that hat lol. Hes like, "If you move somewhere, leave that shit alone". Hell yeah, brother. Those are the kinds out of staters I don't mind. Vote Republican lol.
Past time to expand the wilderness act, everything north of Yellowstone to the border, give it back to the buffalo.all these whiney entitled people are too much, go back to LA or wherever and learn how to live together
@@jamesrath7509 honestly I used to think tree huggers were annoying since they killed our logging industry and now we have massive fires worse then ever...but the more of these Californians come up here and ruin our environment with their shitty mansions, the more I wanna hug a tree.
It sucks because this nobody can afford anything is EVERYWHERE. And in the states we are fleeing, its 9/1 want these values. The billionaire class really make me angry.
Its that attitude that is ruining america. You can believe what you want. No one has to respect it. If you can't understand that, then stay on the coast. The great states are liberalized crap holes now. Then you move from there and bring liberal entitlement there. We miss the old west. Liberalism is ruining the world.
It could be the lack there of, class that is. Many former military and just strait tough people. You should not say that to their face. It's not like many other places where men have turned into woman. You seriously could get punched in the face. It's just that simple.
You are absolutely free to your own beliefs, however: if your particular beliefs are what make you leave where you've been maybe your whole life, maybe it's time to abandon those beliefs and adopt new ones. To me, it's like going into someone else's house and try to establish YOUR rules in THEIR house. You just don't do that. As the newcomer, one is the person who has to adapt where one is new. Which is the whole point of doing research BEFORE moving to any particular state. Personally, you couldn't pay me enough to move to a "blue" state; laws and regulations in those states never align with my values and morals
People by nature are migratory. People are moving because they DONT agree or align with the philosophy, politics, ideology of the state and finally decided to leave. Why would they bring what they are leaving with them? they left for a reason... I cant imagine being so ignorant to say people shouldn't move somewhere. ALL of America basically came from somewhere else... all I hear is boo hoo, not fair other people worked hard for a good income and now they have options to thrive in other states. And FYI the housing market sky rocketed EVERYWHERE...everyone got impacted. Not just locals in Montana.
The thing is that doesn’t even reflect Montana Values. People saying Montana is full definitely moved here from elsewhere cuz we don’t act like that we welcome strangers we say hello to our neighbors we wave to each other on dirt roads and smile at each other on the street.. Montana is definitely not full.
Montanans literally brag about not having sales tax but are glad to pay state income tax. Property tax rate is high. Cost of living compared to wages is terrible. This state had a democrat governor during covid. The state was locked down.
@@u_ub so what he was born here and raised here, Im a native like him and that counts who cares if he had to move somewhere to go to school, where are you from?
My life partner, myself and our gender-fluid 9 yr old were NOT welcome in Montana!! We moved there to open a boutique clothing store centered around cats and I can tell you FIRSTHAND that they don't promote DIVERSITY, INCLUSIVITY AND EQUITY (DIE) at all!!!
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I’m 22 and live in Billings. My whole life I thought about having a family here. But now as I’m getting older, I have 3 roommates and I still pay what my parents mortgage was when I was born. My parents had a corner house with a front and back yard. I rent have half a duplex and no yard. This is hell
Instead of outsiders you might consider the rich landowners and ranchers who don’t pay their share of taxes.
I'm not sure what to say to you if you can't handle the cost of living in Billings. It's very cheap here compared to other cities. Fix your income situation or move to Laurel 🤷♂️
Montana needs to institute proposition 13 which freezes your property tax based on your purchase price.
Why don't they just change the formula for calculating property tax? So for example instead of the value of your property mayby the size of your property and the cost of providing services to that county?
When I moved here in '92 there were a lot of Articles in the news about people who had saved, retired and bought homes on Flathead Lake and were now needing to sale their "forever retirement home" because of property taxes. I remember watching the news in Texas when Prop 2 was first passed in CA. Agree needs to be done here. When the selling price of homes skyrocketed during the Covid hysteria cause so many rich liberals moved here, the commissioners took immediate advantage and last year raised our property tax valuations through the roof. Now real estate price have dropped back to lower, on average, to what they were but the property tax scam is in place.
@@rmf2941 God I love it when capitalists do that shit. Money money money… huh, people? Money money money…
Yes! I would love that if we had that same mindset here in Idaho. We had a candidate running for Governor a few years ago that proposed that for us. Idahoans that have live in our state for decades now pay more because of the new suburbs, schools, and businesses being built. We feel your pain down in Idaho 😊
Property taxes aren’t based on sale prices, they’re based on the county tax assessment, which is usually quite a bit less than the current sale value.
It was simply said in the video, the realtors are making the "killing" and when Your local river guide, Food server, bartender, auto mechanic can't afford to live in a town that they were raised in, well that is a problem. And Montana is not the only state going through this multi million dollar buy out, Utah, Colorado, New Mexico, Idaho Ya gotta respect the Locals ....
I think what people overlook is that many of those moving to places like Montana are coming from places where they were born and raised, but also can no longer afford to live in. I was born and raised in western washington state and we are looking to move to Montana. Not only can I not buy my own home, I can't buy anything close to it anywhere near here. I have 4 kids, there's no chance they will ever be able to afford their first house anywhere near where we live now.
So people like me look to move to places that are more affordable...but yeah that causes problems for those locals too. But what IS the answer then? The real problem isn't people moving, it's the government causing inflation, letting foreigners buy homes to rent out, etc that makes it impossible to live in the big cities. Can't blame those trying to afford to live by moving to smaller cities. Blame needs to be placed at the root cause of the problem.
Here in the tri state of OH,IN,KY to , more condors and subdivisions are taking up space where communities used to be a life line farms are disappearing
No no no, you go to jail for stealing a man’s fishing pole but the realtors are allowed to financially harm lives of anyone they choose. Destroy lives they do. Legally. Hurt you. Hurt back or you’re not even American
As someone born and raised in Montana I have to say that your video is one of the most depressing videos I've seen in a very long time.
I've been to Montana twice and fell in love. It feels like home for the soul. That being said, I love MT so much that I don't want to move there
Thank you. Sincerely.
That is a great perspective! Thank you from a 4th generation Whitefish resident!
@@TRI9POD hey, I'm a native Montanan as well, but I haven't been up to Whitefish in a long, LONG time. I heard that it's been overrun by liberals, is that true?
Say the fuck in your own state
@@MissusMassacreAll of the state is getting overrun by liberals. Look at the last couple of election cycles, more and more democrats are getting elected. More restrictions, higher taxes, extra fees for some outdoor areas. Montana is gone, I don’t see how we’ll ever get it back. 😢
very interesting to see a locals perspective - gotta feel for them
Keep California and New York out of Montana
Thank you for this. I’ve been meaning to make a video myself, if I could catch a break from the three jobs I work. As a single mom who moved back home to Montana to escape an abusive relationship, I was forced out of every rental I could afford by people offering my landlords cash. I moved six times in 4 years. I had no hope of buying despite having great credit, a sizable down payment and great connections. Here in the Bitterroot the Yellowstone tv crew were paying four times as much to rent homes that locals used to live in. I have many friends squeezing entire families into camper trailers. As a bartender I see many outsiders criticizing our service. We are so short staffed because no one who works in the service industry can afford to stay here.
You know I understand Montanan’s complaining but it’s also people from Montana fault because they’re the ones selling their houses and property in general for ridiculous prices and not keeping to their principles.
That's a chronically online take in general, but also shows you... didn't watch the video? Montana has a huge emphasis on property tax in its tax structure. So as values go up, so do taxes. So regardless of whether someone wants to "stick to their principles" taxes will bleed them dry. That was in the first few MINUTES of the video. Not to mention, life just happens and sometimes you have to sell.
There is one huge point that I think really needed to be focused on more, and that several commenters aren’t understanding. I don’t think that the costs increasing is truly the issue because costs are rising in many communities across America, so that’s a universal problem.
The point that really needed to be made is what makes Montana different? What makes this a place that we want to protect? Our views on the land (public and private), our wildlife, our way of life and culture! The covid mandates that we didn’t have here that had people flocking to Montana? I can sum the difference up in a few words for you: predominately republican state. The things that makes Montana a place we want to protect, are ideas and policies most often protected by republicans rather than democrats.
These people that voted for the politicians that created all those mandates that weren’t liked, they’ve come here and continued to vote for that same party. That’s changing Montana’s culture, and that can be proven by the last few election cycles.
I’m also frustrated that so many of these people came here with their remote jobs. Now we have a bigger strain on our city and county infrastructures and local services, and many of these people aren’t even filling any of the vacant jobs that we have! They cause nothing but a strain on many of our communities.
I want people to stay out of my state, not because of changing costs; Montana has always been expensive. I want them to stay out because they don’t understand what makes Montana special, unique and different.
You can take a boy out of the city, but it don’t mean you can take the city of the boy.
Great video
I live in Missoula Montana and your video is spot on
It is a beautiful magnificent place
Hopefully us locals can manage to enjoy what we are so blessed to have
Thank again for a great video
That’s an awesome hat and I would love to rock that up here for you !
What's the difference between a Rich Out of Stater and a poor Montanan? About three years.
THAT depends on how rich they were when they arrived in MT, but it held true for me. There was literally NO jobs market --- and I couldn't eat the scenery 😁
10 year Montanan here. It's amazing the change we've seen even in the time I've been here. It's a MUCH different place today than it was just 10-20 years ago. The last 5 years the change just accelerated 10 fold. I'm afraid all of the old Montana will be gone within a generation and no one will even remember it in two.
The big influx started in 2010.
This is happening a lot everywhere, and in other countries. In the city I grew up in, my dad bought for 65,000 in the 70s, and supported 3 kids and wife.
Now? That very house has sold for nearly 3 million, and its just 3 storey house, small front yard, backyard, and garage. Most folks can't afford it... and my dad came from somewhere, to that location, for a better life.
The problem here is that now, here certain types of immigrants come over with very deep pockets, some of the money is from proceeds of crime... and then just beat out other offers, over here they call it bully buying... really sad.
I live in Monmouth County NJ multi generation born and raised and see the same thing that Alan from Whitefish see's, the locals being pushed out by NYC, Overseas Investor Billionaires buying out Millionaire's and people from other states moving here for better jobs. I want to move out because of the over population and lean towards the bigger cities to not upset the locals, no matter where in MT is better than here. This is a national problem not just NJ and MT, Billionaires and Government officials abusing their buying power with disregard to the people they are displacing.
If you want to get serious about saving rural life, how bout closing down all the airports in the state, just for a start
@@jamesrath7509 I drive. Stop building big track houses that lure the people you don't want.
Nah western Montana sucks
Don’t let your kids go in the bathroom at the Bulldog Saloon in Whitefish. If you know, you know… Btw, send that hat!
Agree
Hahahahahahaha
HAHAHAHAHA 😂 totally took pictures of that. Although I’ve seen WAAAY worse in seattle aka actual men in the womans bathroom pretending to be woman.
It's very sad, but economic policy is promoting inflation and the deterioration of the middle class (and making home ownership unaffordable). The high property taxes sounds more like a democrat scheme... If you think this scenario is hurting the locals in Whitefish ~ look at Maui (and the rest of Hawaii)! I guarantee you, it's 10 times worse... We need MUCH BETTER leadership in this country!
What I think is sad is these people talking about outsiders coming in and raising the taxes and such are the same people who are gonna vote for sheehy and trump
Yes! He called the ski hill by the proper name… Big Mountain. He for sure is a fellow kid from the Flathead.
It's pronounced BIG MOUNTAIN
Yellowstone is really ruining it too!!! I wish they would show the harsh Winters here
@@Chrisholmes1976 Same thing happened years ago when the movie " A River Runs Through it" Came out. Prices went through the roof. No pun intended.
Rant: Quite frankly, it's enraging watching what's happening to this state. Been here my whole life. Currently mid twenties. Blessed with a really good job. Unless something big happens, it'll be very unlikely for me to own a house anytime soon, or at all. The culture is getting eroded. Apartments and condos are going up everywhere and destroying beautiful land, and even with all of the new living spaces, rent is still 2k for a 2 bed apt if you're lucky. And it's rising. And there's a bunch of people moving here from blue states with overreaching governments beginning to try and implement the same policies here. I'm scared that at this rate, we'll end up with terrible policies like in California and New York in ten years. Goofy example, but I had a bunch of losers in my city vote to ban aerial fireworks on the fourth. Permanently. 10 years ago, that would've been unheard of. Laughed at. I really hope we have three years of brutal 0 degree winters that causes everyone moving here to tuck tail and scram. The people who moved here for Montana culture and values will stick it out, and we generally like them. I've got a lot of friends who moved here from out state, and they're great, because they appreciate this state's culture and respect it. Montanan's generally like those people. Yes, we'll make fun of them for being from a liberal hellhole, but it's friendly joking. Unless they try to bring the hellhole with them. Then it's very much not friendly. Those trying to bring their old state's culture with them and that have no respect for the locals need to jet, or not come here in the first place.
And Yellowstone needs to get cancelled. That blasted show is not doing us any favors, and is generally disliked by everyone I talk to
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My family homesteaded in Montana on the Yellowstone river around a place that would be called Coulson and then eventually Billings. 🙂
Excellent video, watching from Chile, south America
“Just pack it up and leave. Figure it out when you get there.” Love it
WELL, you can see from many of the comments that lots of people don't have any long time memories of how Montana use to be. They think being here for a short time gives them the feel of Montana, NO it doesn't. If you could go back, say, 30 years, you would see the difference, and the change is not for the better.
Well said!! I can 100 identify with your comment!👍
I've been here for 30 years and you're an idiot.
No crime, no traffic, everybody knew each other.
I understand how the locals feel. But at the end of the day, they aren’t experiencing anything like we are down south. I’ve lived in a country area of Georgia well north of Atlanta and now it’s become like a big city. Nothing but construction everywhere, neighborhoods and shopping centers. Terrible traffic. HIGH taxes.
I stayed in a cabin on 200 acres outside of Wilsall for a week and wished I owned it. If I move to Montana, I’ll be buying at least 50 acres somewhere, build a small cabin to live in and keep to myself. Nothing but privacy, peace and quiet.
50 acres and a Cabin is going to be at least a cool million
Have to have deep pockets to land over here. Montana won't be nice for long. To many outta towners moving here. It's sad to see, to be honest. It truly is the last best place. After the yellowstone series this place is like a modern day gold rush.
So a 600% jump in housing cost over a year or so is put to shame in the south? I'm impressed.
I made it to the end! great video
I grew up in Missoula and went home to visit for the first time since COVID. I had already seen changes, but I saw it more than ever. It's the Montana Government. I don't think everyone knows what the property taxes are paying for. I mean, they all pay taxes for legal pot. Montana has become so expensive it is pushing the middle class out. Only local and new people who care can fix it. I love the place and want to keep it the way it is. So I tell anyone that asks that it sucks and they don't want to go.
You should have stayed in California!
Ok ma’am
Yep, nobody like californicators....or yankees 😂
@@EricDraven-qd9puor Texasans
My family has been in America for a very long time. I am related to Lewis of the Lewis and Clark expedition. My great grandfather was a homesteader in north eastern Montana. He had a cattle ranch. My grandfather and his brother were part of bringing missiles into the Lewistown, Montana area. I also have relatives in relation to the Shoshone tribe... My husband and I moved to Montana three years ago from Hawaii. My husband is retired military. We have Montana values. Our acceptance here has been challenging to say the least. We are hoping to move back to Hawaii where the people smile and are friendly.
Not sure where you moved to, but I know that rural Montana has adopted the, "If you moved here, we don't like you, no matter your values," attitude pretty universally in the past 10 years. And especially for people who moved here in 2020 onwards. They were already like that before, but the influx of new people in the past decade has heightened that. From what I've seen, that attitude usually fades, but you have to stick it out for 5 to 10 years for it to, and that's pretty brutal. Sorry to hear that it's been really negative though. I'm always saddened to hear stories like yours from people who genuinely want to be apart of the culture.
Complete sidenote: I'm related to Clark. That side of the family runs a farm in the Lewistown area, and has since the 1800s I believe.
Im in Missoula and its not getting any better.
The biggest issue here is that property and housing in general is at an extreme premium. Many people have started living in vehicles around Bozeman.
I’m not sure I’ll be able to afford land here. Where to go? Wyoming. Much cheaper.
40 below zero winters, mosquitoes the size of small birds, super expensive cost of living. Nope, you sure don't want to move to Montana.
MONTANA IS FULL. North Dakota is nice.
I hear tell that the more zeros in an account done makes fir better compost! That'll count come breakdown time.
I made it to the end of the video. Saw you riding the ski lift down Whitefish mountain. I visited Flathead County, MT last month. It's my 3rd year in a row going to Montana. Most beautiful place I have seen in the lower 48 states. Would love to move there, but cannot afford the house prices. That being said, I think responsibility needs to fall on the MT state legislature. They could have done something in their last legislative session to prevent the property tax increase and did not. Greedy politicians are a big part of the housing crisis. It's not just the locals moving in.
Thanks for watching I appreciate you!
You mean "riding the ski lift down Big Mountain".
@@TRI9PODspotted the outsider quick lol
We bought in Rexford.. We are bringing only our desire for freedom.
There should be a nation-wide legal battle on the legitimacy of property tax as the very birth of the nation was from fighting against it.
I respect it so much
I wish we could close the border. This is the last great place and above all safe place. Everyone knows it and that's why they want to come here. We have bears and 40-below winters trust me you dont want to come here🙄
Preserve its values and its beauty... and it's affordable cost of living. Well the affordable cost of living has been dealt a mortal blow. State governments always encourage the well-off outsiders to move on in and provide a field day for the money hungry developers.
Yup, research what happened in Colorado over the past 30 years. It now absolutely sucks. Same thing is now occurring in Montana.
Montana sucks. Wolves, grizzly bears, -40° weather, taxed to shit, everything is expensive, the scenery sucks, and its filled to the brim with people. I hesr North Dakota is really nice though.
Same thing can be said for a lot of places. Nowhere stays the same.
Ita always been that way I went to UofM in missoula so if I go back I'm not new❤🙋♂️
Hey welcome to the rest of the country. It’s not easy for most of us. What would you rather have Americans wanting a better life or illegals flowing in from the border. If the Montanans are moving out where are they going?
We don’t want you stay away
I moved to Montana and was killed financially after 30 years experience in my field. “Have to live here for twenty years to get work”
Im from Kalispell was forced to move because there is no housing
Northern Nevadans feel the same. Don’t move here and try to change us!
Nobody is moving to northern nevada dawg 💀
Bozeman isn't Montana. It's Bozangelas.
amazing video Diego! why the re upload?
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I see that hat, love whitefish and wanted to move there for the last 8 years but iv respected the locals wish to stay away. Now I wish I would have.
It cracks me up when people say "Its not affordable anymore, It costs too much, more than when I was a kid." Hey bud, Its more expensive in every state and city in the U.S. than it was when I was a kid... Cost of living, and taxes raise every year, in every state...
You don’t understand the gap between the CoL and wages here.
Interested in how Montana natives view military retirees... many of us don't have a "home state" after moving around all our lives and many of us already have a "don't tread on me" attitude...
As long as they know how to drive in snow and ice, vote Republican, respect and adapt to our lifestyles, we'll allow it. The bad drivers in winter are the worst because we've all lost people to these idiots.
@@MissusMassacre check, check, and check. Thanks. (Oh, I'm happy to vote for Liberty-leaning Republicans who understand the Constitution, but struggle voting for RINOs...)
@@Crickethillfarm there seem to be a lot of RINOs these days for sure. Which is why we need four more years of the big guy before these idiot Democrats suck us into WW3
Im retired Navy, we own property In thompson falls, was in a laundromat and a old timer was bitching about outsiders and lots should not be for sale, talked to him and he was a viet nam vet ,I told him I was retired and after serving 20 years should be allowed to live anywhere inn US, he shut up.
Montana 30 years ago was much better used to out of the creeks right around Whitefish no filters.
Anyone who has only been here since "the pandemic" doesn't know much of anything.
It’s funny because everyone who lives in Montana is there because someone else went to Montana from somewhere else to begin with.
So much entitlement around these parts… it’s America. People can move wherever they want. I recommend getting over it as that’s what everyone’s had to do in California, Seattle,Boise, etc.
This isn’t just happening to Montana..
This is very true. Where do you think all these hipsters moved to California and NY from?
I have friends who have been here for five generations but sure.
Dont run from your state. Make the changes you want and stay there.
Leave your leftist ways where you came from. Let Montana be Montana!
Everyone likes the way Montana IS...well its not like that anymore ...time to go back to your state.. they miss you
Im a native Montanan on my white side 6 generations on my native side too many to count, I always tell newer folks that I grew up in a town that no longer exists, they think im talking about some small town or a ghost town and they always ask where?...my answer is Bozeman ...the bozeman of the 60s and 70s may she rest in peace.....they killed a remarkable place and turned it into a suburb of LA or Dallas.... and the vicious right wing politics of the new people like our terrible governor jersey greggy gianforte and wannabe senator shady sheehy and maryland matt rosendale are a reflection of people who are not Montanans inspite of a big hat.....
MT has changed for the worse! in 98 it was awsome, but locals now saying its there st not ours thats BS, if I move there its my st too!
born and raised, the “Montana is full” is definitely some shit that people who move here from somewhere else say. Montana values are all about saying hello being nice to your neighbors having a close knit community, welcoming strangers. It’s still a small world here still a ‘F around and find out’ kind of place.
@@u_ub cool man, ppl were way cool to me then so its good to hear this! only problem is housing costs there r insane! n funny cuz bigger cities r def F around n find out places.....maine HATES everyone nt born here or didnt go to ur highschool, A holes!!
@@u_ub I agree, except that the "Montana is full" thing is something that I hear plenty of native Montanan's say (myself included occasionally, if the person I'm talking to isn't someone who respects the culture and doesn't want to learn to). Montanan's started saying it after more and more people started moving here and seemed to mistake the kindness of everyone for being pushovers. And then the population explosions happened. Now those Montanans are so worn down that they just don't want to be friendly to anyone outside of their circle at all, which is really sad. A lot of Montanans have basically rejected the 'kindness to neighbors' part of the culture because of outsider's perceived lack of respect for the culture in general. I try to be kind, and generally am, to anyone but there's a few people that I pull out the, "Montanan's are feral and the state is full of scary things" card for. My attitude is not helped by the fact that I've been here my entire life (born and raised), but if I want to have a chance of even owning a decent small house (I'm mid twenties), I basically will have to win the lottery, even with my solid and stable job that I've been blessed with. Not saying it's right, but it's real hard to be kind when it feels like you're getting punched in the teeth every day. I try to be kind, but I certainly fail some days.
Take this down. We don't even want people to know we are here.
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Everyone could leave and let the natives have their land back. 😢
Natives 😂 bud I got news for ya....just because somebody was somewhere first doesnt mean its thiers. Thats woke idiocy to think its still theres. The strong take....its the law of the jungle and just think had the White man not civilized them and allowed cultural approproiation they'd all be extinct. Facts!
Yes stay out unless you are completely constitutional conservative, to hell with the woke liberal crap
You took the words right out of my mouth so many goddamn woke liberals keep coming here Hell in Bozeman they replaced the POW flag outside town hall with the pride flag
I would say don't move fix the place you come from.
Who wants to live in Montana very depressed in state when it comes to weather you have 10 months of winter two months of summer. No beaches, no amusement parks the locals they don’t like minorities. It was the worst experience I ever had in my life in the food sucked East Coast. Life is the best.
Some people rather live in nature than near beaches and amusement parks that attract a lot of people. If I lived in Montana I would be far from depressed. It’s the true American state that still uphold values of living off the land and taking care of it.
Lmfao “don’t like minorities”. Go away nerd.
So glad you had a bad experience ....tell all your east coast friends what a terrible place it is
I notice the hat and watch the whole video
I love the guy in the tshirt and that hat lol. Hes like, "If you move somewhere, leave that shit alone". Hell yeah, brother. Those are the kinds out of staters I don't mind. Vote Republican lol.
Past time to expand the wilderness act, everything north of Yellowstone to the border, give it back to the buffalo.all these whiney entitled people are too much, go back to LA or wherever and learn how to live together
@@jamesrath7509 honestly I used to think tree huggers were annoying since they killed our logging industry and now we have massive fires worse then ever...but the more of these Californians come up here and ruin our environment with their shitty mansions, the more I wanna hug a tree.
lol right, gianforte is a millionaire from New Jersey. He raised property taxes and wants to privatize public land. He doesn’t speak for Montana
It sucks because this nobody can afford anything is EVERYWHERE. And in the states we are fleeing, its 9/1 want these values.
The billionaire class really make me angry.
Thank you Blackrock.
@@woollychaps Yup, and then there’s blackrock…..
America is a free country, we can move anywhere we want with our beliefs. Or are only a certain class of people allowed to have freedoms?
You sure can. However, Montanans can use their 1st Amendment right to make sure you do not feel welcome. Rights are a two way street.
Its that attitude that is ruining america. You can believe what you want. No one has to respect it. If you can't understand that, then stay on the coast. The great states are liberalized crap holes now. Then you move from there and bring liberal entitlement there. We miss the old west. Liberalism is ruining the world.
It could be the lack there of, class that is. Many former military and just strait tough people. You should not say that to their face. It's not like many other places where men have turned into woman. You seriously could get punched in the face. It's just that simple.
You are absolutely free to your own beliefs, however: if your particular beliefs are what make you leave where you've been maybe your whole life, maybe it's time to abandon those beliefs and adopt new ones. To me, it's like going into someone else's house and try to establish YOUR rules in THEIR house. You just don't do that. As the newcomer, one is the person who has to adapt where one is new. Which is the whole point of doing research BEFORE moving to any particular state. Personally, you couldn't pay me enough to move to a "blue" state; laws and regulations in those states never align with my values and morals
@@longrangeautist6117keyboard warrior wouldn’t stand a chance In California.
Bunch’s Europeans talking about don’t take our land 😂😂😂
That's what the Battle of the Little Bighorn was all about.
People by nature are migratory. People are moving because they DONT agree or align with the philosophy, politics, ideology of the state and finally decided to leave. Why would they bring what they are leaving with them? they left for a reason... I cant imagine being so ignorant to say people shouldn't move somewhere. ALL of America basically came from somewhere else... all I hear is boo hoo, not fair other people worked hard for a good income and now they have options to thrive in other states. And FYI the housing market sky rocketed EVERYWHERE...everyone got impacted. Not just locals in Montana.
The thing is that doesn’t even reflect Montana Values. People saying Montana is full definitely moved here from elsewhere cuz we don’t act like that we welcome strangers we say hello to our neighbors we wave to each other on dirt roads and smile at each other on the street.. Montana is definitely not full.
Read "YOUR" " Bill of Rights! Said " No One in AMERICA!" Lol...
send me that hat 🧢 thank you!
Montanans literally brag about not having sales tax but are glad to pay state income tax. Property tax rate is high. Cost of living compared to wages is terrible. This state had a democrat governor during covid. The state was locked down.
Nah we were actually THE ONLY state to refuse forcing employers to mandate their employees be vaccinated but go on.
last decent governor we had
Vote John Dutton 2024!!
Not a single Montana Native in this video
The gentleman at the beginning said he was born and raised.
@@woollychaps he also said he lived on the west coast
First guy was,
@@u_ub so what he was born here and raised here, Im a native like him and that counts who cares if he had to move somewhere to go to school, where are you from?
I'm sure the native Americans felt the same way, oh fucking well.
Poverty with a view
Liberals stay out of Montana!
The majority moving in are conservatives but they have money and are high earners.
The only locals are the native American tribes. Everyone else needs to shut their holes.
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My life partner, myself and our gender-fluid 9 yr old were NOT welcome in Montana!! We moved there to open a boutique clothing store centered around cats and I can tell you FIRSTHAND that they don't promote DIVERSITY, INCLUSIVITY AND EQUITY (DIE) at all!!!
It’s tragic isn’t it???😂
Small town people are slow to give up the prejudices passed down by their parents
Come visit, don't stay.
“Come on vacation leave on probation.”
Oh gawd. Get over yourselves.
Go ahead and send me a hat and thank you