I’m an Architect and lived in TN and got my degree there. It will become permanent doing 2 things. Fill your masonry piers with concrete and strap anchor the building to the piers. You can use Anchor Bolts too. Having permanent power is also another means of making it permanent. Finally if the county doesn’t have building inspections the code is unenforceable. The state doesn’t have code inspectors except for Electrical. They won’t illegally trespass either.
Exactly. The key is to make it NOT readily moveable. My father in law did this when he started with a mobile home. He modified it, added to it and built a foundation for it making it no longer "mobile". The state and the bank consider it a single family residence and no longer a "mobile home".
I worked in planning for a decade with government and left because of nonsense like this. The State may send county code enforcement. The county could chose to not enforce it, but highly likely would not go against the state. But I agree about getting a foundation. That seems like a reasonable approach.
This is exactly why I chose not to youtube about many of the interesting things I'm doing on my Tennessee homestead. It's a little too late for you guys but the best advice for others is simply don't ask, don't tell, do your own thing and keep yourself off the radar. You could write your congressman and try and get the law changed but that is unlikely to work since Clayton Homes is probably a large political donor and the one that pushed the regulations through in the first place. This is a classic example of the corrupt merger of corporate and government power that surrounds us everywhere in society today.
The first line of this reply is what everyone needs to pay attention to. As much as one finds it necessary to document their life for likes and views, essentially what one does isn't anyone else's business...until you make it so.
Yup folks don't realize RUclips paints a bullseye on their backs, off grid should be quiet as possible and don't advertise about your lifestyle! Access to the Internet can be far worse than tied to the grid!
Yep. I lived in Lincoln county and I chose not to ask anyone anything. Then I moved to chapel hill tn. (Big mistake!). Run from anything for sale there! I then made the decision to move to southern ky. Much cheaper and no drama. I’m on unrestricted land and I got my electric and water and told them I was building a barn and needed water and power for livestock. Haven’t told anyone anything else. Easier to ask for forgiveness rather than permission. Haha
As a shed builder and dealer. It amazes me how the government being so hard on these buildings for living units tells me they would rather have people homeless.
I've never seen this law enforced here. We actually had someone donate land here and set multiple of these sheds on them for homeless people to stay in.
Moral of the story, don’t post every part of your life on social media. Lesson # 2 don’t give tons of little details that the state can use against you.
A friend of mine grew up on a farm. During WW2, his father was not allowed to put an addition to his house for his expanding family. The rules of war did allow him to build a chicken coop. So he did. Got his permits and everything. After the finished chicken coop was done and approved, he dragged it over to the house, attached, and moved in.
You can tear down one parcel wall and add on or make a 2nd story or more than 100 square feet like say, "a bathroom." on part of the "cabin", which will constitute building it on site. Been there done that. Born and raised just around the corner from you. North and west, Near your previous home. Over 300 years of heritage in these hills. Cherokee Scots Irish. Near fall creek falls.
@@mikepalmer1971 also never expect the government to ACTUALLY do it's job of protecting and serving it's citizens, or tell the truth, or pretty much do anything that's not totally evil 🤷
if you were to build a foundation, pick the building up and anchor it to the foundation, would that not constitute a a new build ? once the building is anchored to the foundation it is no longer a transportable building. Greetings from Australia
Unfortunately, if the building begins as a "ready removable", you have to follow the entire process to give it the government stamp of "safe" which includes a permit and inspection. It's bs but we are going to weigh our options, Appreciate the support for across the world! Cheers!
So basically you blew the whistle on yourself? Not sure what your gonna do cuz I live in Maine and people live in structures like this ALL the time so I believe this is a BS law really!!! I think lawyer is correct take it apart and reconstruct it and put it on a cinder block crawl space. Used it for everything but sleeping for ti e being and figure out what to do in future. Sell it at small loss and start from scratch?
I think these type of petty laws makes the people living in tents useful for the government n states so they can say they have a reason why those people have to live in tents. if it's to easy to own a place then everybody has a place to live n the police don't have a job but with homeless people living in tents the states can generate money its sick n disgraceful for the human spieces
Not sure how you mean the states can generate money. But the only way would be for the government to pay for it. And when we say government, that means you and I! Cause the only way the government generates money is to tax/levy the American people! The government can print more money. But that just devalues the U.S. dollar!
That's because even tho they claim the land is supposed to be for Americans it's not that is to cover for the fact they confiscated the land for themselves
Biggest thugs on planet earth and about as useless as tits on a bull. The fact there are losers willing to get paid to enforce this bullshit is kinda why Nazis were able to get away with what they did for as long as they did. Humans will tolerate a lot if they don’t have any hope.
That’s why we shouldn’t support Democrats in 2023. They wanna expand the government and allow them to govern over every aspect of our lives! Not to mention the entire party has been corrupted and would rather send billions to Ukraine instead of take care of Americans in Hawaii!
Pour concrete posts under it to support it and bolt the building to the posts so it is no longer a ready removal building. :You may have to have the poured concrete posts inspected. This transformation will 1. Make the building safer in strong winds 2. Disqualify the building from falling under the ready removal code. 3. NOT REQUIRE any dismantling of the building. 4. Should allow you to legally live in it again. Alternatively, there are ready made piers in about 3 pieces of concrete that are a couple hundred bucks each and can be pushed down into the ground with a house jack (there are RUclips videos about it). All stick-built houses are bolted to their foundations to comply with codes (except maybe for some really old homes). S that is all you need-a permanent type foundation and some bolts.
What it is, and I disagree with the law, this building is not made to code with the shed builder. None of these sheds to houses are up to code, because it's a shed. There are a few states that don't allow these sheds to be made into homes. Basically the state didn't get their cut so they make this BS law.
This was exactly my thought as I was watching this. Once it is on a permanent foundation it is no longer "ready removable". It may however, fall into a factory home category at that point
My husband was our towns building inspector here in Tennessee for a little while and he says to pour concrete into the blocks and use tie downs or lag bolt the structure to the columns, plus putting a skirting or covering around the bottom whill make it a permanent structure and no longer mobile
This youtuber is completely mangling issue this to sound like a victim, the state isn't "over reaching" county authority, the county has to operate within state guidelines. He's just a moron LOL
You miss the point. They are adults and can make their own decisions. Why should they be forced against their will to spend money to do something they already decided they dont want to do.
In Colorado the State only inspects electrical and well permits. I'm living in my 2nd home on acreage that I stick built, and yes required county permit. I'm sure your getting all kinds of bizarre suggestions. Looking at you building at a distance, could you score some cinder blocks and trench around the exterior and build a pseudo cinder block foundation indicating "it's not moving from here'? These counties are mostly the Good ole boy clubs. Grease a few palms would be my plan-B.
I own two "removable structures" here in Blount County Tennessee. They are no longer "Removable", they are listed as permanent structures as they now have permanent foundations. They both have a solid poured footer and are blocked up to the bottom of the home with steel access doors to get under the home for repair access. The state and county now shows them as married to the lot. You can come look at mine. They are properly tied down. You may possibly complete your build as a permanent structure using what you already have for a start. I do not know. I do know that mine are now permitted as permanent structures with the tax collectors office. If you can copy what was done to mine, you may be good to go. FYI the foundation was installed AFTER the homes were located on the property.
Good suggestion! Encourage them . Usually you can find one employee at the government office who isn’t double jointed at the waist and doesn’t have their head up their . . . That’s the one person who can see things clearly.
It is not just a suggestion. It is a fact. That is how all the manufactured homes get permitted. All they should need to do is contact the county and tell them they want to make it "a permanent structure" on a permanent foundation. They even put manufactured homes on basements, it just cost the $$ for the crane to put it over the basement. They could also call the local Clayton dealer and see how they do it .@@johnwadmaniii
As many have already mentioned, and this is just my opinion, but I would think that if you blocked or bricked under it, it would be considered on a " permanent foundation" . I enjoy your videos and wish you guys the best!
Sink a one or two 4x6 posts in the ground and bolt the shed to it. Tied to the ground and you can’t move it without cut a post. It is now permanent. I did this for a few steel sheds so they would not blow over. The tax accessor saw that a did this and considered it a permanent structure that I now pay taxes on.
Yeah I think the problem is that a shed or mobile structure like a tiny home for example is not taxable in the same fashion as an actual land improvement (foundation/home). That should keep everyone happy $$$$
Thankyou. I have learnt the hard way too. It's no different here in Australia. If more people thought your way, people could go back to minding their own business and living in peace.
Same here in nz.built a two story lovely home for me and my two kids…20sq m x2( top and bottom.) milled trees on my land etc.a nasty neighbour told on me to the council ( couldn’t be seen from the road…) they made me cut the top floor off,or risk of a 100k fine…they said to ring them when I had finished taking the top story off and re roofing it.I never rang them ,they never came back …5 years later I sold the property.should have just kept the top floor….bugger small minded people who stick there noses in others business
We now live in Ohio but up until 1979 we lived in the mountains near Chattanooga Tennessee. The same exact thing happened to us. Good luck fighting Tennessee. We lost. But believe me I hope you succeed
Deconstruct one wall and add a room, while also permanently anchoring the whole structure. No longer removeable and you deconstructed it too. Hope it works out for y'all. 😊 ❤
As a fellow Tennesseean and engineer...consult a professional engineer in your area. Often the PE stamp circumvents a lot of red tape and for a small fee, you can move forward.
To help an engineer with stamping your plans, go to the original house makers and get their schematic drawings of the house. Then the engineer can identify the structural timbers and spec them out. Also, if you decide to float a foundation or dig and place piers and posts, then the engineer can tell you the specs for the foundation. Now, an engineer's stamp is only for the schematics or plans, therefore; this may not save you from inspections. If necessary, you can get a lumber grader to grade those timbers for the state inspectors. Of course, by doing this, you might still be subject to and involuntarily invoke any required state inspections and rules (electrical, plumbing, etc.) because you would be playing their game and they make the rules. But, maybe not, since there are no local codes. Moreover, getting an engineer's stamp may not save you from dismantling the house. This is because to avoid your dismantling of the house, the state of Tenn. would have to recognize the out-of-state built house (and by extension, potentially any house built out of state) as compliant with state codes. I doubt if the state is ready to do that because it diminishes their authority, increases their liability, and makes more work for them. Consequently, they may refuse, and dismantling the house could be an option. However, dismantling and rebuilding a house is no small feat, every timber has to be labeled, and if a timber is damaged then it must be replaced. On the other hand, putting it on a trailer made to DMV codes seems less of a hassle and apparently gives you a legal place to live.
@@lorihutton4719It wasn’t inspected, they just learned about a law that had them researching if it was true or not. They had already done a ton of research to make sure what they had planned to do was legal. A commenter pointed out the rule, which was after they had purchased and moved in their cabin. It’s a rule that’s buried on the state website, so it’s not easily accessible and obvious that it exists. So they found out about it too late. No official came and told them, just a follower.
Just remember as nice as your community/ followers are there are always going to be someone that feels the need to involve themselves in your personal business and try to mess up what you're doing
Exactly. I'm a reseller and watch all the reseller youtubers and it's crazy how many people's stores get hurt from people that watch their shows. People are evil and jealous
It reminds me of the person who was watching a veterenarian reality show, and got upset because the vet wasnt wearing gloves while doing something to an animal, and filed a lawsuit against the doctor!! It was thrown out of court. So, whenever there is something good going on, there will always be a turd in the punchbowl!
15:19 dig basement. On one side or the other I would use nee wall making. That level usable, maybe Walk out to the back Secure house to foundation in national Code method Just a suggestion RD 2E. good luck! Oh, roll on to new Fondation
Its a good idea not to show everything you do. Its like finding gold, if you don't tell, nobody knows, if you tell 1 person, then everyone tries to take it from you!!
The people in power are never going to allow affordable housing again. Banks are buying whole subdivisions of new construction homes just to rent them out. Yes I know that for a fact and cannot tell you on here how.😢
About to go into my 40s and this has become my ultimate dream and goal to live in a house like this away from everyone except my family. I will make this possible no matter how long it takes ❤
@@ihave35cents95 unoriginal. and you completely missed his point. the distinction is in how u both use the word rich. why dont you actually support real freedom.
I got a 50 year old 5th wheel 8x35, its a tank. OSB board looks new. Has wheels doesnt nerd permits. Found 5 acres, for 5k water 2k, free trailer and fencing. Paid 200 for moving small trailer, and 5th wheel. Paid off in one year. Its next to Joshua Tree, beautiful night skies
Why? Maybe we should just tell the government to F off, and start doing their only job that is protecting the rights, and interests of it's people.@@YTusercomment
Early settlers cabins would have been built on site which is allowed. This is just some scam to make it hard for people who dont have the time or expertise to build. But I agree in principle that we have so many rules that are anti-american for the sake of safety. I like my country home where I discovered at least one of my trusses was built with a log that clearly came from the property :)
There are basic restrictions that impact neighbors within 5 acres or so and downstream that should exist: Commandments: 1) Don't contaminate my well. 2) Don't poison my animals. 3) Don't throw parties > 500 people unless previously agreed upon. 4) Don't store/build/ detonate large amounts of chemicals/gases/weapons ( natural or otherwise) that could impact my structures, my air, my life, or my FBI/ATF exposure. Personal home or farm-use amounts ok. 5) Communicate about Air bnb type rentals.
As someone who inspects foundations I would lean towards placing the building on what is required for a "permanent foundation" so the building is no longer "readily removeable".
If you own the land you should be able to do what you wish as long as it’s not a hazard or safety issue for others. It’s a great looking cabin and you’re not hurting anyone.
@@cliftonmcmullen7167 I would tend to agree. But it assumes way to much about a buyers ability to understand. My mom knows nothing about construction. When she bought a house she bought it because it was cute and where she wanted to live. The knob and tube that was powering the lights in the garage was not a consideration. Yes it still had working nearly 100 year old light fixtures. Complete with exposed wire terminals on the switches. I hate building codes, but they exist because of history. Buildings falling apart killing people or leaving them homeless. With unscrupulous businesses declaring bankruptcy and reincorporating under a different name to do it all again. What I'd like to see are safety driven codes that are as minimal as possible. The NEC is an example of a code that is for the most part there to keep you safe. It does have some stupid stuff, but mostly it exists because someone needed to be told NO. The general building codes unfortunately are not. They are filled with the agenda of the private corporation that creates it. That agenda is to make money for themselves and their customers. Their customers are mostly industrial scale manufactures.
Well, I agree that if you own the land you should, within reason, of course, be able to do whatever you want with it, I have found as someone also in Tennessee, specifically, East, Tennessee, that this is not the case. For any parcel of land you have, there are county codes to follow and even property codes to follow. Additionally, if you are in a county that is considered unrestricted land, which it sounds like they probably are, it’s not completely unrestricted. There are still certain things you have to do and code. You have to follow and rules. Basically they’ve made it so it’s almost impossible to truly get out from under the states thumb. For reference, I have been looking at the possibility of doing a tiny home while also exploring what it looks like to have a small traditionally built home. There are stupid rules for those too. It really makes me not want to buy land at all, and just rent and call it a day.
@EthosAtheos as a buyer, shouldn't you be getting an inspection done prior to purchasing anyways? I get what you're saying but this is why you have it inspected before buying. There's too many rules, regulations, permits needed, laws, etc. It has gotten ridiculous.
Maybe think outside the box? I wanted to build a shop the gov said I couldn't because I was zoned agriculture. So I redid the plans and added door on the back. Went back up and they said no you can't build said yes I can cause that is a door for the goats. Goats are agriculture and you can't stop me. Real nice shop.
Move it off the blocks to a different place on your property close to your location where you want to have your house. Then dig a basement with a bulldozer concrete floor and put in the concrete walls then put the house back on top of it. Now you have a permanent structure with extra space and a tornado shelter. or you could even put a bomb shelter underneath it and attach it to the house. Once you put it in the ground you make it a permanent foundation and a permanent house.
As a builder in KY and TN, the way we always got around this was to attach it to a solid foundation with footers. Same as mobile homes, it makes it a permanent structure instead of a mobile. I have completed 2 in scott Co. Tn. This was how we were able to classify them as permanent structure
Thats what I was thinking plus I am in WV we have Amish made buildings they was talking about stamp lumber well I guarantee you curl up under that thing all of that stuff going to be stamped because it's pressure treated the ones we have here are made with pressure treated lumber when the Amish is selling to the consumer why does as a commercial they got the following the code the tens of the code Windows doors they didn't make them Hell get up under it reblock it remove them 6x6s they use for a guide to load and unload them things relocate them further apart in the building considered not movable because it can't be one reason they're there yeah they used to block building up but it's the insurance for them to remove the building if they need to it a guide to slide it up on the trailer
From now on keep your mouth shut, don't go looking for trouble, and keep it to yourselves. RIGHT! You know that now, but that put the hound dogs on the scent and could get some other people in trouble. I sure hope this blows over after you make that thing undragible/permanently founded.
The easy option is to move it aside, put in footers and a block foundation. Then move it onto the foundation and remove the "skids" that make it moveable. While you are doing that you could install anchor bolts for wind issues like tornadoes, which will have you better than now. You could just trim the skids making them into support beams for tie down as well. Lots of final building options but bolting to a foundation removes your prime issue. Even if you do not know how, That area is fairly cheap to install footers and block. Lots of folks do it. However look at vapor barrier and drainage while doing all of this. I bet the Amish know someone.
The skids are what helps to keep the building from twisting and becoming "Not Squared" so removing skids is just defeating the purpose. Place a foundation and tie it down like a manufactured home. Like you previously stated... it is just a shell and by placing insulation and other building items inside to make it liveable then they have actually built into it...
Once they tie it down for one and then build the inside and insulate and build accessories inside, then all they have to do is say it was built.... The landowners did build into it to make it liveable because right now it's just a "Shell" but after more work, the county nor the State doesn't have grounds to stand on ..
Thank goodness we have the government telling us how to live. They don’t want you living in your shelter but have no problem with a homeless person living out in the open.
.... The government didn't care. These people literally dug and dug to find the information. And called and called to beg the government to tell them they shouldn't live there. And probley ruined it for everyone
Umm, yes they do. The Supreme Court just made it illegal to take shelter in a public place. It's already illegal to do so on private property without permission. So, damned if you do and damned if you don't.
It's all about making sure people don't live freely. They want you controlled, strapped with a mortgage, paying high taxes and forced to use corporate ran utilities, etc. Don't give up. Don't give in. We have a right to use our property as we please and live freely
The laws have always been formed by certain group of people to enslave certain group of people and generate tax revenue for the government ( law ). I am planning to buy some land at some point and build a similar structure. If the county interferes in my personal matters, I'll take that as a threat to my freedom and get ready for civil war. I might eliminate all those people who form the zoning committee. if at least 10 of us take up this fight as soldiers and sacrifice our temporary lives, the next generation will reap the benefits of freedom. As for my soul that exits from this body will take rebirth into another body and have much better next life at the least if not be with Jesus Christ for eternity.
The only thing I can say about that as a property owner is I am glad that there are some codes and restrictions for property. I am glad that people can't run raw sewage on the ground. I'm glad that people can't move a bunch of run down campers on their property and have water and sewage running into the creeks and streams. Believe it or not people have done that, the very reason we have these codes.
YOU are part of the PROBLEM. You're more concerned about SAFETY than FREEDOM! So it's people who think like You that literally take all of our FREEDOMS!! We can't do ANYTHING anymore without Asking Permission from 'Authorities', Following a million Codes, Applying for Licenses, Paying Fees, Fines, Tickets, basically asking Big Daddy if he'll LET us!! Why don't you Move to Russia or Norway or a million other places if you are too scared of FREEDOM?! ALL of those permissions are actually ILLEGAL, according to the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!! P.S. Can Anyone name even ONE FREEDOM we have that's actually 'FREE'?!
After reading the actual code, if you pour footings under the structure and secure it to the footings, it is no longer easily relocated. Just a thought.
Yeah so I would just go to a structural engineer in the city or around the area you know in the county would have you and have them certified stamp it'll probably cost you $750 bucks
The question I have is why does the state want to force people to have a fixed living quarters that's physically permanently attached to the ground? Why do they care so much about that?
@educational4434 TAXES! It's all about the money. Every improvement made to a piece of property increases its value and a non-permanent structure either adds very little value or none at all. It's all done under the guise of health and safety but people were living in one room log cabins with dirt floors in Tennessee for a hundred years just fine. Add to that home builders lobbying government to force these regulations down everyone's throats in order to add cost to a project so they can jack up the price of a house that's become way too complicated for the average person to build themselves. Then you're lucky if the buildings they sell you even come close to passing inspection (wonder why). It's all a scam.
Another avenue: Since the county and state have no inspectors, you can hire your own certified home inspector to give you legal documentation that your residence is safe. Shouldn't be too difficult to find one of those guys for a couple hundred bucks. Your real estate company can direct you to a reputable business (they use this service all the time)
Best advice. FHA also has a ton of approved inspectors. They are a worthy couple hundred bucks indeed. Same as surveyors that will squash any chances of claiming "stolen/commandeered land", like my neighbors just tried pulling.
One option you could try is to have the wood inspected. There are inspectors for sawmills that inspect the dryness of the wood and stamp it. That seems to be what is holding you up from meeting the codes. I also agree that if it were to be permanently attached to some kind of foundation, it wouldn't be "removable." Keep your heads up and keep fighting! We are all rooting for you! ❤
The state is worried about wood boring beetles being transplanted from one location to another within the state. It's the same reason you can't bring in your own wood to state parks. Not sure they really have the authority they are claiming on private property though. What's the difference between buying the raw lumber from the Mennonites and simply buying one of their buildings?
Get a scaffolding pole and two matching trailer wheels from a scrapyard, bodge a fake axel to the bottom of the cabin so it resembles a trailer, should solve the problem in the short term as it's technically a mobile home now, it doesn't have to actually move.
@Tibbs_Farm and @kdlittlehawk yes, again it was good to meet the 28 people who all chipped in and I am proud to be 1 of the crew who disassembled the structure and put it all back together. Thanks for the BBQ Chicken and Ribs and you left a bucket of wood putty onsite. I have it in the back of my truck. You can barely tell we were even there. Nice work everyone.
This is a prime example of laws made to protect us from ourselves, (like a non vehicle inspection). We have to stop, or repeal these laws in the USA 🇺🇸 NOW.
No wonder the world's laffin at us. It's like Joe Biteme in a picket line w striking UAW workers nat same time he's doing his best to put them out of jobs as he's main advocate for electric cars to b built n Mexico.absolutely ridiculous n ill bet uaw pres is for the right to work law n pres uaw doesn't mention the exorbitant salary he's getting just the ceos. N im son of union pres
a living breathing man or woman is required to make a legal or lawful claim. a 'title' 'corporation' or 'entity' are NOT able to make LAWFUL claims. They can try, but if you object, the courts must oblige. a "code enforcer" is not a man or woman. that is the title that defines how the Man or Woman is ACTING with their 'Agency'. EVERY Man and Woman is 1005 responsible for their actions, 100% of the time. If a Man or Woman makes a claim, they have the burden of proof to support that claim, and also assume liability for any harm, injury or loss that results from their claim. this is ancient stuff that not many people take the time to learn, understand and implement these days.
I disagree @@danbhakta it's not tyranny. It's unbalanced because WE THE PEOPLE forgot how to be good masters with our Public Servants. Simple. 1 Man was responsible for over 20 states dropping their man dates when he chose to hold the governor in his state accountable. within 24 hours over 20 states dropped it from a man date to a recommendation.. another example, ONE man in my town was responsible for taking a 2 lane road and making it 1 land and a bike lane, because he rides into work everyday. now there is an obscene amount of traffic. the point isn't "look at this dumb decision" the point is to demonstrate the power that a single person has when they interact with the gov appropriately.
As a recently retired Tennessee General Contractor (CIR), the permanent foundation is the first thing to do. Also, the state requires an Electrical Inspection and a State Septic Permit.
In law, if the state requires it, the state must pay for it. If you pay for it to be done professionally, then provided you are satisfied that's needed. To not know something is your fault.
@@greghayes9118That is a false statement you are required to pay for and have a perk test done Before the soil is even disturbed And you will also need to have An electrical Inspection done on the building And the homeowner is required to pay for all of this But if you have a foundation put under it then it will be considered a permanent structure, Even if you put a house trailer in there and you put a foundation under the outside perimeter it is considered a permanent structure and your insurance will even be cheaper on it Because it is considered a permanent structure
There is such things as composting and incinerator toilets. The other water is considered grey water and can be handled by a simple pit filled with gravel. Grey water does not have to be excused through a septic system. If they do an off grid solar/wind power generation system there is no need for an electrical permit. If they are not connected to the system it is no one’s business.
Build an add on structure about the size of a living room and attach it to the original structure. I would also as mentioned before put in a foundation that is far more stable.
I can easily understand your anger and frustration when dealing with state or county issues. When I had a 30' x 80' workshop built I was told to stop and that I needed permission to build on my own land. They tried to use the same ploy of public safety in order to say I needed a permit. I looked up the building code and saw where public safety was the main issue, except for the fact that my land was not public in any way but was PRIVATE and that they had no lawful authority over me or my property. When I asked for proof that the code applied to me and my private property they went silent and I never heard from them again. Good luck in the future.
You are correct, the best way to be classified as private property you must have a gate and no trespassing signs at the access of your property, otherwise the public and officials do have Rights to come to your front door!
everything is contracts and you essentially handled this in honor by hinting you would contract if they gave you the valid information you asked for. Conditional acceptance.
Build a first story structure with a concrete pad and concrete block walls. Use it as a foundation for your removable structure. Pick the removable structure up and put it on top of your new foundation. It’s no longer removable structure. And you have lots of storage underneath.
Here in Ms, A building is not a building until the roof is installed So. Build a 10'wrap around porch. Remove the roof reinstall a roof that also covers the new porch . The building footprint has been changed
Ive seen some Amish built homes that are not good. It was a 16thousand sq foot house. All 4 floors were in need of many things to be corrected. They couldn't stack properly on top of itself like houses should be.
@@fallofthezombies1379 My brother had his home built by the Amish. There is not one squeak in the entire 3 stories of the house. They have never used carpet and the bare floors are still pristine. I would love for them to build me a home in Florida.
Do NOT GIVE UP or let them win! Go to the local news to ask for reconstruction help you’ll get it asap if you tell this story. Or, go offline for a few weeks, research or ask the county what accounts for rebuilding it.
Or you can just get off social media, let things blow over and rebuild anyway. I learned how to handle difficult situations with tyrants from a man named Randy Weaver.
I think a lot of homesteaders get themselves in trouble by starting a channel based on their lives. While it’s a great help to those wanting to get started, it also puts your build out there for everyone to see. There are some people I swear that have absolutely nothing better to do than watch these videos and turn people in for anything and everything. I had thought about starting a channel on rehabbing our 100 year old house into an offgrid home, but ultimately decided to keep it private for these very reasons. Well, that and all the RUclips professionals out there.
Not to mention all of the RUclips "armchair" lawyers and other "experts". I fully agree that there are people with nothing better to do than tear down others for their successes. Good luck with your restoration.
Literally had the green light from the people that would have initially given a dam and then proceeded to educate them on why they shouldn’t be allowed to build .🤦♂️
You are exactly right. The government is trying hard to stop homesteaders. They don't want people to be self sustaining. They want their thumb on your head. 😢
The difference between a mobile home and manufacturer housing is that manufactured housing sets on a permanent foundation and a mobile home does not. By changing the Movable title status and make it a permanent it is no longer a movable or removable.
Houses are movable structures too! House movers 😱🤣 exist to move homes! They move permanent structures all the time! So in reality they are deliverables also, if you want to get technical about it!
I feel for you and I’m glad yall are out getting this info for us future homesteaders. The way I see it you could make a semi cut out basement and put it on cinder block walls. The catch is you will have to attach that structure to the blocks using the county codes for fasteners
Well, if it was me, I would do two things. First, as someone else suggested, fill those piers and securely anchor the structure. Now it’s not moveable. Next, open up that long side wall and install a patio sliding door. Put on an addition consisting of a floor, extended roof and a couple of side walls with large windows so as not to obstruct the view. Now you have a full length side porch that’s covered. Frame it in with windows and make an atrium/greenhouse. Add a composting toilet and a shower if you wish. Document your work with photos. That should satisfy the code requirements and provide you with a greenhouse space you’re going to need.
This is a perfect example of looking for drama. They said you could build a house out of toothpicks. I would have left it at that and never thought about it again
I think the fact that they are on RUclips means some Karen would've eventually reported them, and it would've been a huge disaster if they had already invested an enormous amount in it
They just passed a similar law here in my county in Florida and I think it's absolutely ridiculous. The government should not have the authority to tell you what you can and can't have on property you own. We need to start filling lawsuits against these absurd, overreaching laws.
22 bags of concrete from your local hardware/lumber store, make pillars and secure your bottom to them. Problem solved. Everyone happy. Hope it worked out for you guys. Looking into property to homestead myself.
Remember, back in the day when the taxman charged for closets, people started building wardrobe (stand alone closets). You can still buy a wardrobe to this day and it does not count as a closet. There is always a way around stuff if you think outside the closet…er, um box. ❤
"Hi everybody, here's a timelapse video of us completely deconstructing and reconstructing our home!" Remove one board, video cuts to black. Next scene: "Well dangit, our battery gave out, but here's the finished product all back together again! What do you think? Don't forget to like and subscribe!" 😂
They use Google Earth and drones to check on rural properties. Not to mention law enforcement and other government agencies are allowed to access your property.
@@SheriffofRUclipsif they have or get a composting or incinerator toilet there is no need for a septic system. Gray water which is all water not coming from the toilets is not regulated, it’s just water.
Sounds like the law is definitely designed to enrich large contractors. Bet it directly benefits some members of the Tennessee house & senate... Good luck to you both👍
It’s not law it’s legal which applies to corporations only, unless you consent. Find out the difference so they don’t fool you, it’s massive fraud that you are deceived with.
Exactly. Housing is so ridiculously corrupt everywhere in this country. The state legislatures are run by the corrupt "HOA", bankers, lawyers, "realtors" and "developers" crowd that's constantly rigging the market.
Here's one take: You had lumber delivered to your property... it just so happened it came in the shape of a house.... now you're going to add more wood to it (AKA building it yourself) to the final shape that you want that wood to be, and then you can live in your own property that you made... and it's final shape that you made.
This too is a marvellous idea. Change the definition by bolting decks to the sides with attached pilings or screw piles underneath creating a wrap around porch. Twofold argument, permanently attached to the land and now too wide to be legal on the roads without permitting, making it no longer, ready to be removable or removable as it is wider than your drive.
Appalachian is correct, my brother lives in Chattanoga and I drove out to help him build a 25 x 65 shop on his property. We had built the building in two parts and were about to setup the forms for the slab foundation ( I had to do it that way because of time crunch on my part) when we were surrounded by state inspectors backed up by troopers. They seemed to think we were building a meth lab or an off the books child day care, when they realized that we were going to put in on a slab they calmed down and finally left after we promised to use a licensed electrician when the time came. Moral of the story is put down piers to strap to and all is good, and it always easier to ask forgiveness than permission.
When looking to homestead, my wife and I found similar laws in several states. We found other laws making off grid living difficult in many states. It is one of the primary reasons we decided upon Alaska. The lower 48 all seem to be bent on total control over everyone, and that was not acceptable to us.
Had the same thing happen to me in Colorado. I bought two and was going to finish with 2x,6,studs next to the 2x4 studs which is overbuild. They told us to remove the structure And leave or pay a fine of 500.a day.
We all should come there for a week and donate our expertise and what lumber we have or can afford and help you guys beat the system there is always a solution to beat the system, stay strong and remember that good folks will come help you when your down all you got to do is let us know
I understand you received the delivery and placement of a critical CONSTRUCTION COMPONENT for your house build. I'm excited to see how everything looks AFTER YOU FINISH FULLY CONSTRUCTING the habitat. The deck extension, railing and stairs/stair will really add to the approach of your in progress build. The loft you are designing and building out should add to internal storage or possibly some other use. And not to mention the roofing sky light/lights will really add to appeal and provide great daytime lighting. There may be insulation, wiring, other finishing work commonly done as part of construction of such a residence. Its great they you did receive an important and critical CONSTRUCTION COMPONENT, but i'm sure the items you have planned within subsequent buildout days will really add to your future fully constructed and built home.
The states and counties are over-stepping in so many ways. Thank you both for sharing this. If it were me, I would not change one thing. If it were to become a legal battle by some chance, I would happily challenge them in court. But that’s just me. I’m sick of government overreach, especially by unelected bureaucrats.
@@kristinaschwanebeck4944 And therein lies the root of the problem... You identify as "taxpayers", within the government corporation structure, you are essentially a lower class of citizen, subject to the will of the legislature. Read your state constitution. Most I've ever read begin with the source of the authority to form a government being "People", as in We the People, not "taxpayers". There is an undeniable hierarchy in and outside of government, people, being the authors of the constitutions which created government offices, are at the very top, under only God. "Taxpayers" being a creation of the legislature and legislative agencies, are at the very bottom. Might as well just call yourselves peasants & serfs.
@@MrHurricaneFloyd officials of the state and government bunch of crooks up to no good. They need to stay out of people business. AMERICANS AREN'T FREE NO MORE.
Add a laundry room or a large pantry! By adding a room with a door should put you in the clear. Because you’re deconstructing and reconstructing your home.
Some friends of mine also ran into this issue. What they had to do to make it a passable structure was to put down a concrete slab the size of the building, anchor the structure down with hurricane straps, then they had to put a concrete block border around it for the underpinning. The "shed" passed inspection then. Also, for those not in the know, in some counties of Tennessee you have to do the same thing for double wide and single wide trailers. Howdy from West Tennessee, your property looks amazing.
You may be able to hire a lumber grader to put his stamp on your lumber, to pass inspection. I run a home owner saw mill and hire a lumber grader to stamp my lumber when necessary.
It literally is - and they are actual 2x4's vs 1.75x3.5's. But because they don't have the systems "stamp of approval" they're not code. It's ridiculous. Thank you so much for the support!
Call the lawyer and the codes guy and ask whether the shed is a permanant structure if you build a foundation under it? Also ask for whether they would then at that time consider Grandfathering their laws for those who are either building that foundation and or were not made aware by the builders that living in such buildings in Tennessee is prohibited.
@@scottensley9964 BEST ADVICE IS QUIT CALLING PEOPLE AND MAKING VIDEOS AND THE STATE WILL FORGET ABOUT YOU.MOST LIKELY. THIS COUPLE OWNS THE LAND I ASSUME - SLEEP IN THE VAN FOR AWHILE - THE LAZY GOV EMPLOYEES WILL FORGET YOU EVER CALLED - WHICH WAS NOT SMART TO BEGIN WITH IMO
@@RunawayMattCass - Yes EXACTLY...you have a structure using ACTUAL 2" x 4" lumber! There was a time in America, many years ago, THIS was the normal. Now, the "approved" lumber they want you to use is 3-1/2" x 1-1/2"....crooked, etc. That being said, had I intended to live in it I would have the Amish builder increase those roof rafters to at least 2" x 6". This has much less to do with "public safety" and everything to do with large lumber companies, modular housing industry, real estate agencies lobbying (paying off) state and local government to enact these restrictions...Inspectors also wanting their cut of the money. Add to that the government concern that their property tax extortion scheme misses a few dollars somewhere...like it not currently being on a permanent foundation. However you proceed, you now have to have ACCURATE guidance and proper checklist...not rely solely on Internet comments.
Me and my family are in a similar situation. (county does enforce. Oregon Lynn) I needed to built something to put put my family in. I was informed by a neighbor through the county that what I was doing was ilegal (he has his right to complaint.) now we have to make the 16 x24 shed into an actual hose and permit it as such if we plan to stay even one night on it. The transparency you guys have is encouraging. We we needed to be transparent to because we go in this life with honesty. To many lies on the past. Praying for you guys that this whole thing gets sorted out.
I really wish people could get together and come to help these people. I am a contractor and could probably get some people to pitch in. But seriously people need to get together and let's help this couple. This is the life I dream of myself someday.
Before the depression of 1930 all the neighbors use to help new neighbors build their home. If we still help one another as back then, no one would be homeless now. We would have found a way together. I love your idea and your dream.
This is happening all over the country. This is not the 1st couple. In California you can’t build anything on your own land unless your neighbors, the city and the county approve of it first. $$$
As i was just in the Philippines, living in a houseade half of tree branches with a half steel, half nipa roof, with no code, with a kitchen they use open flame wood to cook with. I realize how "free" we are not in the USA
This happened to me years ago in a much strickter state so to get around it I hired a structural engineer to write a letter saying it was a sound building. ....it worked for me
Put a sign on the front, under the porch , visible to the front Yard in Bold Letters …TOOL SHED., THEN I WOULD dig out below your outside wall frame and poor a foundation and block it in. It’s work, but it won’t be readily removable.
Interesting video. I'm a lifelong, Native Tennessean, and your home is nicer than many I see people living in, and haved lived in , for decades. Foundation, home anchored to the foundation, septic attached, well or municipal water attached, and this will be a nice place to live. 🎉🎉❤😊
This is what you do... Buy lumber, re-stud the front porch, removing and replacing the framing of porch. Then, re-frame a closed in area "room" on the porch. Closing it in, thus you have bypassed the complete removing and rebuilding of the house and should have satisfied the code. After all, the house wasn't complete until you built the last piece being the room. That is my opinion, that is what I would do!
Suggestion: First add mobile-home tie downs, four on each side, which render the structure "Not Readily Removable". Then remove a portion of one of the walls and add a room. The removal of structure satisfies the "deconstruction" option, and the added room adds to the "Not Readily Removable" requirement. Good luck and best wishes from "Off The Grid" in New Mexico.
Just build on to it with more rooms. My brother lived in NC and the law was you can't build to and old house. So he jack up the house and builds a concrete porch on it all the way around it. So that could not tell if it was a old house are not. He had to disassemble the 2 room house. He made it a 5 bedroom 3 bathroom house.
I just partially read up on the law there in Tennessee and basically you need to change the category that your building would fall under. As it sits your building in the video is on blocks and can be "readily removed" and based on the structuring of the language in the ordnance you should be able to convert the building into a permanent structure by anchoring it to a slab or some sort of permanent foundation.i hope this helps a little
I think that one you can change that home and make it permanent and bypass all of the bs. Next was you found your own problem and created the problem that you found so trying to be compliant with the law which is basically BS and bureaucracy you've proven to the powers that be that you are not following the law and therefore you are a criminal and because your criminal you're in the wrong. Whereas if you just left it alone nobody would have bothered you and eventually you would have been grandfathered in. You stepped into the bureaucracy unnecessarily. So that being the what I recommend is contest the legality of the law in question and see if you can get it changed.
It's something that we are considering. It's just a tough decision as if the state decided that we couldn't do that, all they have to do is tell us that we cannot live in it and it would be up to us to fight them in court. It's a tough decision with committing more finances and time without knowing for sure if the state would bug us.
@@RunawayMattCass talk it out with the state / local zoning and ask them if there's something that can be done to make it legal... just keep trying.. get an aswer that is official and that way you have legal cause.. document who you talk to, what they say, and have a timeline..
Aside from attached add ons, propose bollards that are sunk into the ground to prevent drag out/load out/removable. Set one in front of each porch pole and halfway down the length. Steel tubes so they can't say wood posts in the ground cut easily take removable.
@@russelneilv1361Best to just Get the Local Building Codes in Print to see what Is allowed & NOT tell the gov anything til you're 100% positive you're doing it right!!! Sounds like IF you keep them posted as to What you want to do, they're going to just Shut you Down from the Start!!
Instead of cap block pillars raise the building , dig foundation footer trench , pour concrete and rebar footer. Lay block foundation , lower building onto foundation. No longer ready removable. Now a permanent structure.
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I’m an Architect and lived in TN and got my degree there. It will become permanent doing 2 things. Fill your masonry piers with concrete and strap anchor the building to the piers. You can use Anchor Bolts too. Having permanent power is also another means of making it permanent. Finally if the county doesn’t have building inspections the code is unenforceable. The state doesn’t have code inspectors except for Electrical. They won’t illegally trespass either.
Trespassers get lead and brass in Tennessee
does that address the source of the lumber not being approved? Otherwise, good advice.
Exactly. The key is to make it NOT readily moveable. My father in law did this when he started with a mobile home. He modified it, added to it and built a foundation for it making it no longer "mobile". The state and the bank consider it a single family residence and no longer a "mobile home".
I worked in planning for a decade with government and left because of nonsense like this. The State may send county code enforcement. The county could chose to not enforce it, but highly likely would not go against the state. But I agree about getting a foundation. That seems like a reasonable approach.
Yea your.fine just make it permanent
This is exactly why I chose not to youtube about many of the interesting things I'm doing on my Tennessee homestead. It's a little too late for you guys but the best advice for others is simply don't ask, don't tell, do your own thing and keep yourself off the radar. You could write your congressman and try and get the law changed but that is unlikely to work since Clayton Homes is probably a large political donor and the one that pushed the regulations through in the first place. This is a classic example of the corrupt merger of corporate and government power that surrounds us everywhere in society today.
The first line of this reply is what everyone needs to pay attention to. As much as one finds it necessary to document their life for likes and views, essentially what one does isn't anyone else's business...until you make it so.
Not all companies are courpt
Yup folks don't realize RUclips paints a bullseye on their backs, off grid should be quiet as possible and don't advertise about your lifestyle! Access to the Internet can be far worse than tied to the grid!
@@tropicaltorpedoes3573 just most of them ?
Yep. I lived in Lincoln county and I chose not to ask anyone anything. Then I moved to chapel hill tn. (Big mistake!). Run from anything for sale there! I then made the decision to move to southern ky. Much cheaper and no drama. I’m on unrestricted land and I got my electric and water and told them I was building a barn and needed water and power for livestock. Haven’t told anyone anything else. Easier to ask for forgiveness rather than permission. Haha
As a shed builder and dealer. It amazes me how the government being so hard on these buildings for living units tells me they would rather have people homeless.
I've never seen this law enforced here. We actually had someone donate land here and set multiple of these sheds on them for homeless people to stay in.
“You will own nothing and be happy” comes to mind.
@@DJTruth_1970This ^^^
They can't tax movable non permanent structures like they can permanent ones. It's all about the moolah.
They want people homeless are have to rent. It’s disgusting. They do not want anyone to be independent at all.
Rule 1 never tell the government what you're doing never
Moral of the story, don’t post every part of your life on social media. Lesson # 2 don’t give tons of little details that the state can use against you.
YEP! Quit telling on yourself!
This couple will never be crime partners 😅
Cause haters will ruin your life if you do
People.that.sayIdon't.care.if.anyone.listens,,,will.soon.find.out.why!!!
This ... 👆
The best "loophole".....Don't Ask, Don't tell. When you try to do the right thing, you always get screwed.
Yup
That’s hard to do when you have a RUclips channel documenting everything you do.
For sure. Definitely reconstructed each and every board of that beautiful home.
@@CodyCha don't give away your location then lol. Nobody is going to find you in the middle of nowhere
@@CodyCha don’t call the state. The county told them yes.
A friend of mine grew up on a farm. During WW2, his father was not allowed to put an addition to his house for his expanding family. The rules of war did allow him to build a chicken coop. So he did. Got his permits and everything. After the finished chicken coop was done and approved, he dragged it over to the house, attached, and moved in.
Great story!
That’s exactly what my grandpa and dad would have done too 😂
😂
You can tear down one parcel wall and add on or make a 2nd story or more than 100 square feet like say, "a bathroom." on part of the "cabin", which will constitute building it on site. Been there done that.
Born and raised just around the corner from you. North and west, Near your previous home. Over 300 years of heritage in these hills. Cherokee Scots Irish. Near fall creek falls.
He was lucky he didn't get fined and had to demolish it. Every state has a law that states coops must be a certain distance from any human residence.
Take it apart, stack the lumber, "get that lumber", put it back together. Viola! You built it yourself.
That's what I was thinking too
That's what I was thinking
What about simply removing siding?and making a permanent foundation ?
Yeh im sure it's not built with nails and the lumber won't spilt and crack all to hell
@331whf9 good, that'll make it easier to do then
What's funny is that they would allow you to live out of you car or in a tent on your property, but not a "movable structure". How messed up is that?
Never expect the government to use common sense.
@@mikepalmer1971 also never expect the government to ACTUALLY do it's job of protecting and serving it's citizens, or tell the truth, or pretty much do anything that's not totally evil 🤷
@@jordazmo19 yep. You get it.
Whats even more messed up is that Amazon is allowed to build and sell those little foldable and movable houses, but this is considered unacceptable 🤔
now some of these states with homeless problems are also making it illegal to sleep in your car....
if you were to build a foundation, pick the building up and anchor it to the foundation, would that not constitute a a new build ? once the building is anchored to the foundation it is no longer a transportable building. Greetings from Australia
Unfortunately, if the building begins as a "ready removable", you have to follow the entire process to give it the government stamp of "safe" which includes a permit and inspection. It's bs but we are going to weigh our options, Appreciate the support for across the world! Cheers!
I think this would be a good option 🤔 but check with them the 💩💩 gov and see if this would be sufficient in satisfying for their greed. 👍✨
Definitely would help..make it permanent foundation
A mobile home is not a mobile home when you anchor it to a foundation and can be sold as a home I think the Ausie is on to something check it out.
So basically you blew the whistle on yourself? Not sure what your gonna do cuz I live in Maine and people live in structures like this ALL the time so I believe this is a BS law really!!! I think lawyer is correct take it apart and reconstruct it and put it on a cinder block crawl space. Used it for everything but sleeping for ti e being and figure out what to do in future. Sell it at small loss and start from scratch?
It’s amazing that we have people living in tents all over the country but these people can’t live there.
Living in tents? They are living in 5 star hotels! And your helping pay for them!
They could live there just fine, if they quit calling and asking all these questions.
I think these type of petty laws makes the people living in tents useful for the government n states so they can say they have a reason why those people have to live in tents. if it's to easy to own a place then everybody has a place to live n the police don't have a job but with homeless people living in tents the states can generate money its sick n disgraceful for the human spieces
Not sure how you mean the states can generate money. But the only way would be for the government to pay for it. And when we say government, that means you and I! Cause the only way the government generates money is to tax/levy the American people! The government can print more money. But that just devalues the U.S. dollar!
That's because even tho they claim the land is supposed to be for Americans it's not that is to cover for the fact they confiscated the land for themselves
Just come across your video. They just past a law in Tennessee that these tiny home if you put them on a permanent foundation it be legal to have.
Moral of the story is keep the state and government out of your life as much as possible. They're scammers.
They are animal abusers. Like how child protective services doesnt protect sny children from puberty blockers
Biggest thugs on planet earth and about as useless as tits on a bull. The fact there are losers willing to get paid to enforce this bullshit is kinda why Nazis were able to get away with what they did for as long as they did. Humans will tolerate a lot if they don’t have any hope.
That’s why we shouldn’t support Democrats in 2023. They wanna expand the government and allow them to govern over every aspect of our lives! Not to mention the entire party has been corrupted and would rather send billions to Ukraine instead of take care of Americans in Hawaii!
They are also the biggest
gang around!! Armed to boot!!
@@michaelhurley3333 Our gang (We The People) is bigger and has more guns.
Pour concrete posts under it to support it and bolt the building to the posts so it is no longer a ready removal building. :You may have to have the poured concrete posts inspected. This transformation will 1. Make the building safer in strong winds 2. Disqualify the building from falling under the ready removal code. 3. NOT REQUIRE any dismantling of the building. 4. Should allow you to legally live in it again. Alternatively, there are ready made piers in about 3 pieces of concrete that are a couple hundred bucks each and can be pushed down into the ground with a house jack (there are RUclips videos about it). All stick-built houses are bolted to their foundations to comply with codes (except maybe for some really old homes). S that is all you need-a permanent type foundation and some bolts.
What it is, and I disagree with the law, this building is not made to code with the shed builder. None of these sheds to houses are up to code, because it's a shed. There are a few states that don't allow these sheds to be made into homes. Basically the state didn't get their cut so they make this BS law.
But you could stick build the exact building and it would not violate code since no code is applicable.
@@dah61789dahjust the sound of that..legally live in it...just a crazy world we live in
This was exactly my thought as I was watching this.
Once it is on a permanent foundation it is no longer "ready removable". It may however, fall into a factory home category at that point
Wow. Good ideas. You sound like you know what you are talking about.... making me think your job is a building inspector or something.
My husband was our towns building inspector here in Tennessee for a little while and he says to pour concrete into the blocks and use tie downs or lag bolt the structure to the columns, plus putting a skirting or covering around the bottom whill make it a permanent structure and no longer mobile
Exactly. Just like a trailer park setup
Do that
This youtuber is completely mangling issue this to sound like a victim, the state isn't "over reaching" county authority, the county has to operate within state guidelines. He's just a moron LOL
You miss the point. They are adults and can make their own decisions. Why should they be forced against their will to spend money to do something they already decided they dont want to do.
@@tedbastwock3810this isn't coconut island genius
In Colorado the State only inspects electrical and well permits. I'm living in my 2nd home on acreage that I stick built, and yes required county permit. I'm sure your getting all kinds of bizarre suggestions. Looking at you building at a distance, could you score some cinder blocks and trench around the exterior and build a pseudo cinder block foundation indicating "it's not moving from here'?
These counties are mostly the Good ole boy clubs. Grease a few palms would be my plan-B.
I own two "removable structures" here in Blount County Tennessee. They are no longer "Removable", they are listed as permanent structures as they now have permanent foundations. They both have a solid poured footer and are blocked up to the bottom of the home with steel access doors to get under the home for repair access. The state and county now shows them as married to the lot. You can come look at mine. They are properly tied down. You may possibly complete your build as a permanent structure using what you already have for a start. I do not know. I do know that mine are now permitted as permanent structures with the tax collectors office. If you can copy what was done to mine, you may be good to go. FYI the foundation was installed AFTER the homes were located on the property.
Good suggestion! Encourage them . Usually you can find one employee at the government office who isn’t double jointed at the waist and doesn’t have their head up their . . . That’s the one person who can see things clearly.
It is not just a suggestion. It is a fact. That is how all the manufactured homes get permitted. All they should need to do is contact the county and tell them they want to make it "a permanent structure" on a permanent foundation. They even put manufactured homes on basements, it just cost the $$ for the crane to put it over the basement. They could also call the local Clayton dealer and see how they do it .@@johnwadmaniii
In the presence of polite company , I'llsay F ' Em ...
Them dirty birds need to Get A Job and quit sukkin on the teat of the workin man
As many have already mentioned, and this is just my opinion, but I would think that if you blocked or bricked under it, it would be considered on a " permanent foundation" . I enjoy your videos and wish you guys the best!
Sink a one or two 4x6 posts in the ground and bolt the shed to it. Tied to the ground and you can’t move it without cut a post. It is now permanent. I did this for a few steel sheds so they would not blow over. The tax accessor saw that a did this and considered it a permanent structure that I now pay taxes on.
Like the architect said, just anchor it in the ground. It makes it a permanent structure. That’s what me and wife did and got approval.
THIS☝🏻
Yeah I think the problem is that a shed or mobile structure like a tiny home for example is not taxable in the same fashion as an actual land improvement (foundation/home). That should keep everyone happy $$$$
It is if it's a permanent structure.@@frankstetka7206
After a very frustrating experience involving a greenhouse on my property, I learned to never actively involve authorities in my activities.
Thankyou. I have learnt the hard way too. It's no different here in Australia. If more people thought your way, people could go back to minding their own business and living in peace.
Absolutely. Never tell anyone, show anyone. Ask yourself if they actually have the authority! They don't. Study constitutional law.
Until that court notice shows up
Ignore the system.
Same here in nz.built a two story lovely home for me and my two kids…20sq m x2( top and bottom.) milled trees on my land etc.a nasty neighbour told on me to the council ( couldn’t be seen from the road…) they made me cut the top floor off,or risk of a 100k fine…they said to ring them when I had finished taking the top story off and re roofing it.I never rang them ,they never came back …5 years later I sold the property.should have just kept the top floor….bugger small minded people who stick there noses in others business
We now live in Ohio but up until 1979 we lived in the mountains near Chattanooga Tennessee. The same exact thing happened to us. Good luck fighting Tennessee. We lost. But believe me I hope you succeed
Deconstruct one wall and add a room, while also permanently anchoring the whole structure. No longer removeable and you deconstructed it too. Hope it works out for y'all. 😊 ❤
lol yeah I was thinking along these lines...
Absolutely! It sure looks like a nicely stacked load of lumber to me.
The problem is the material was delivered by a manufacturer that isn't registered.
Yup
Build house next to it...add it on later. Keep it on down low
As a fellow Tennesseean and engineer...consult a professional engineer in your area. Often the PE stamp circumvents a lot of red tape and for a small fee, you can move forward.
Is this something that you'd be able to help with if you happen to be in our area? Our email is runawayladymay@gmail.com
To help an engineer with stamping your plans, go to the original house makers and get their schematic drawings of the house. Then the engineer can identify the structural timbers and spec them out. Also, if you decide to float a foundation or dig and place piers and posts, then the engineer can tell you the specs for the foundation. Now, an engineer's stamp is only for the schematics or plans, therefore; this may not save you from inspections. If necessary, you can get a lumber grader to grade those timbers for the state inspectors. Of course, by doing this, you might still be subject to and involuntarily invoke any required state inspections and rules (electrical, plumbing, etc.) because you would be playing their game and they make the rules. But, maybe not, since there are no local codes. Moreover, getting an engineer's stamp may not save you from dismantling the house. This is because to avoid your dismantling of the house, the state of Tenn. would have to recognize the out-of-state built house (and by extension, potentially any house built out of state) as compliant with state codes. I doubt if the state is ready to do that because it diminishes their authority, increases their liability, and makes more work for them. Consequently, they may refuse, and dismantling the house could be an option. However, dismantling and rebuilding a house is no small feat, every timber has to be labeled, and if a timber is damaged then it must be replaced. On the other hand, putting it on a trailer made to DMV codes seems less of a hassle and apparently gives you a legal place to live.
Fuck Tennessee keeps yalls nasty ass out on Arkansas and Texas, and Oklahoma and Louisiana and Mississippi
@@landesnorm If it was built out of state, the lumber could harbor invasive species. This is one possible reason.
So its extortion.
My first thought: "Add a concrete pad and anchor the home! Permanent!"
Id add fake wheels..
Call it an RV.
They don't check if it really rolls. I wonder how they knew to inspect?
Pour a simple slab and it's over. Why he didn't do it before building is crazy.
@@lorihutton4719It wasn’t inspected, they just learned about a law that had them researching if it was true or not. They had already done a ton of research to make sure what they had planned to do was legal. A commenter pointed out the rule, which was after they had purchased and moved in their cabin. It’s a rule that’s buried on the state website, so it’s not easily accessible and obvious that it exists. So they found out about it too late. No official came and told them, just a follower.
@@lorihutton4719 if neighbors can see it, sometimes they'll complain.
But you can put a trailer on the property. You can put a garage with a living loft (an inlaw apartment), where you only oay taxes on the loft only.
Just remember as nice as your community/ followers are there are always going to be someone that feels the need to involve themselves in your personal business and try to mess up what you're doing
Exactly. I'm a reseller and watch all the reseller youtubers and it's crazy how many people's stores get hurt from people that watch their shows. People are evil and jealous
It reminds me of the person who was watching a veterenarian reality show, and got upset because the vet wasnt wearing gloves while doing something to an animal, and filed a lawsuit against the doctor!! It was thrown out of court. So, whenever there is something good going on, there will always be a turd in the punchbowl!
Exactly, which is why I stay as private as possible. Move in silence my friends
15:19 dig basement. On one side or the other I would use nee wall making. That level usable, maybe
Walk out to the back
Secure house to foundation in national
Code method
Just a suggestion
RD 2E. good luck!
Oh, roll on to new
Fondation
Its a good idea not to show everything you do. Its like finding gold, if you don't tell, nobody knows, if you tell 1 person, then everyone tries to take it from you!!
Everyone needs to get together and fight for the right for these affordable houses.
The people in power are never going to allow affordable housing again. Banks are buying whole subdivisions of new construction homes just to rent them out. Yes I know that for a fact and cannot tell you on here how.😢
absolutely. i am single and i don't need a 1200 sq ft house.
@@kadinzaofelune I know about black rock.
@Drawingtheplanet only if you're willing to use force to enforce your rights.
You are not.
Nature abhors a vacuum especially a power vacuum.
About to go into my 40s and this has become my ultimate dream and goal to live in a house like this away from everyone except my family. I will make this possible no matter how long it takes ❤
This is America! Its hard to become free from the system that wants us to work for the rich. Keep fighting because nature is freedom.
I’ve never worked for the poor that’s for sure😂
It's called capitalism
@@ihave35cents95 unoriginal. and you completely missed his point. the distinction is in how u both use the word rich. why dont you actually support real freedom.
@@tedbastwock3810 I worked for my freedom
@@austinhernandez2716 all systems are disigned so a few get all the wealth and the rest work like slaves and own nothing
I got a 50 year old 5th wheel 8x35, its a tank. OSB board looks new.
Has wheels doesnt nerd permits. Found 5 acres, for 5k water 2k, free trailer and fencing. Paid 200 for moving small trailer, and 5th wheel.
Paid off in one year. Its next to Joshua Tree, beautiful night skies
Imagine if all the cabins of early settlers had been subject to 'codes'!
Yes...America could have never been founded.
Why? Maybe we should just tell the government to F off, and start doing their only job that is protecting the rights, and interests of it's people.@@YTusercomment
Early settlers cabins would have been built on site which is allowed. This is just some scam to make it hard for people who dont have the time or expertise to build. But I agree in principle that we have so many rules that are anti-american for the sake of safety. I like my country home where I discovered at least one of my trusses was built with a log that clearly came from the property :)
They were if not they died just a different code. It’s exactly the same
"safety"-------@@SetitesTechAdventures
As long as you're not hurting anyone you should be able to do what you want on YOUR LAND!
There are basic restrictions that impact neighbors within 5 acres or so and downstream that should exist:
Commandments: 1) Don't contaminate my
well.
2) Don't poison my animals.
3) Don't throw parties > 500 people unless previously agreed upon.
4) Don't store/build/ detonate large amounts of chemicals/gases/weapons ( natural or otherwise) that could impact my structures, my air, my life, or my FBI/ATF exposure.
Personal home or farm-use amounts ok.
5) Communicate about Air bnb type rentals.
Just because you don't realize or understand how you're hurting people, places, or creatures does not mean you aren't.
Some states won’t even let you collect rain water! That’s insane!
@@coffeyncis a tiny house hurting you?
@@coffeyncit’s a fkn tiny house not Area 51
As someone who inspects foundations I would lean towards placing the building on what is required for a "permanent foundation" so the building is no longer "readily removeable".
Why would you Not want a solid foundation to start off? Ironic to say the least...
If you own the land you should be able to do what you wish as long as it’s not a hazard or safety issue for others. It’s a great looking cabin and you’re not hurting anyone.
I tend to agree, right up until you sell the property and "home" to some unsuspecting person. It all goes back to "don't make me, make a rule".
@@EthosAtheos I get that but as long as you disclose what it is and be honest it should be fine or you sell for a reduced price.
@@cliftonmcmullen7167 I would tend to agree. But it assumes way to much about a buyers ability to understand. My mom knows nothing about construction. When she bought a house she bought it because it was cute and where she wanted to live. The knob and tube that was powering the lights in the garage was not a consideration. Yes it still had working nearly 100 year old light fixtures. Complete with exposed wire terminals on the switches.
I hate building codes, but they exist because of history. Buildings falling apart killing people or leaving them homeless. With unscrupulous businesses declaring bankruptcy and reincorporating under a different name to do it all again.
What I'd like to see are safety driven codes that are as minimal as possible. The NEC is an example of a code that is for the most part there to keep you safe. It does have some stupid stuff, but mostly it exists because someone needed to be told NO.
The general building codes unfortunately are not. They are filled with the agenda of the private corporation that creates it. That agenda is to make money for themselves and their customers. Their customers are mostly industrial scale manufactures.
Well, I agree that if you own the land you should, within reason, of course, be able to do whatever you want with it, I have found as someone also in Tennessee, specifically, East, Tennessee, that this is not the case. For any parcel of land you have, there are county codes to follow and even property codes to follow. Additionally, if you are in a county that is considered unrestricted land, which it sounds like they probably are, it’s not completely unrestricted. There are still certain things you have to do and code. You have to follow and rules. Basically they’ve made it so it’s almost impossible to truly get out from under the states thumb.
For reference, I have been looking at the possibility of doing a tiny home while also exploring what it looks like to have a small traditionally built home. There are stupid rules for those too. It really makes me not want to buy land at all, and just rent and call it a day.
@EthosAtheos as a buyer, shouldn't you be getting an inspection done prior to purchasing anyways? I get what you're saying but this is why you have it inspected before buying.
There's too many rules, regulations, permits needed, laws, etc. It has gotten ridiculous.
Maybe think outside the box? I wanted to build a shop the gov said I couldn't because I was zoned agriculture. So I redid the plans and added door on the back. Went back up and they said no you can't build said yes I can cause that is a door for the goats. Goats are agriculture and you can't stop me. Real nice shop.
When you buy a ready built shed it's marked shed,,have they mark and sell as a cabin...
Move it off the blocks to a different place on your property close to your location where you want to have your house. Then dig a basement with a bulldozer concrete floor and put in the concrete walls then put the house back on top of it. Now you have a permanent structure with extra space and a tornado shelter. or you could even put a bomb shelter underneath it and attach it to the house. Once you put it in the ground you make it a permanent foundation and a permanent house.
They can't do that on their welfare checks.😢
Where I live, even just posts that are in the ground make it a legal permanent structure
@@LimoLife23 Which video did they said they receive welfare check?
leave now wait till 6/26 ,guatamala is good, shit fixen to get crazy. 😢
And then you would loose 1/3 of the floor space when putting steps in.
10:00 I think original safety concerns were with tornadoes and the ability of these types of homes getting picked up.
As a builder in KY and TN, the way we always got around this was to attach it to a solid foundation with footers. Same as mobile homes, it makes it a permanent structure instead of a mobile. I have completed 2 in scott Co. Tn. This was how we were able to classify them as permanent structure
Thats what I was thinking plus I am in WV we have Amish made buildings they was talking about stamp lumber well I guarantee you curl up under that thing all of that stuff going to be stamped because it's pressure treated the ones we have here are made with pressure treated lumber when the Amish is selling to the consumer why does as a commercial they got the following the code the tens of the code Windows doors they didn't make them
Hell get up under it reblock it remove them 6x6s they use for a guide to load and unload them things relocate them further apart in the building considered not movable because it can't be one reason they're there yeah they used to block building up but it's the insurance for them to remove the building if they need to it a guide to slide it up on the trailer
I live in scott co Tn, I'm glad you know how to help these nice ppl. Thank you
Awsome advice! Also buying land with a permanent structure (doesn't need utilities connected). Could be a small shed on a slab.
In Minnesota and North Dakota all one has to do is put skirting around a mobile home, camper, or whatever to be considered permanent dwelling
From now on keep your mouth shut, don't go looking for trouble, and keep it to yourselves. RIGHT! You know that now, but that put the hound dogs on the scent and could get some other people in trouble. I sure hope this blows over after you make that thing undragible/permanently founded.
I agree with the other comments. Have the lumber inspected and stamped. Then pour footings and block up to the house. Don't give up on your dream 😊
The easy option is to move it aside, put in footers and a block foundation. Then move it onto the foundation and remove the "skids" that make it moveable. While you are doing that you could install anchor bolts for wind issues like tornadoes, which will have you better than now. You could just trim the skids making them into support beams for tie down as well. Lots of final building options but bolting to a foundation removes your prime issue. Even if you do not know how, That area is fairly cheap to install footers and block. Lots of folks do it. However look at vapor barrier and drainage while doing all of this. I bet the Amish know someone.
I think the even easier solution is to "live" in your van. And that's just a storage shed.
The skids are what helps to keep the building from twisting and becoming "Not Squared" so removing skids is just defeating the purpose. Place a foundation and tie it down like a manufactured home. Like you previously stated... it is just a shell and by placing insulation and other building items inside to make it liveable then they have actually built into it...
Once they tie it down for one and then build the inside and insulate and build accessories inside, then all they have to do is say it was built.... The landowners did build into it to make it liveable because right now it's just a "Shell" but after more work, the county nor the State doesn't have grounds to stand on ..
@@johnsullivan799 If placed on a foundation wall on the two long sides, like a home, you don't need the skids.
@@markpashia7067if the floor boards are not sized for weight bearing and the span without supports they will have a sagging issue.
Tear the shed apart and rebuild it on the property. Add some personal touches to make it a little different.
Thank goodness we have the government telling us how to live. They don’t want you living in your shelter but have no problem with a homeless person living out in the open.
.... The government didn't care. These people literally dug and dug to find the information. And called and called to beg the government to tell them they shouldn't live there. And probley ruined it for everyone
That's my comment . Government needs to fuck right off.
And now being homeless is a crime according to the supreme court. Make it make sense
Umm, yes they do. The Supreme Court just made it illegal to take shelter in a public place. It's already illegal to do so on private property without permission. So, damned if you do and damned if you don't.
I was thinking the same thing.
It's all about making sure people don't live freely. They want you controlled, strapped with a mortgage, paying high taxes and forced to use corporate ran utilities, etc. Don't give up. Don't give in. We have a right to use our property as we please and live freely
and to own nothing
The laws have always been formed by certain group of people to enslave certain group of people and generate tax revenue for the government ( law ). I am planning to buy some land at some point and build a similar structure. If the county interferes in my personal matters, I'll take that as a threat to my freedom and get ready for civil war. I might eliminate all those people who form the zoning committee. if at least 10 of us take up this fight as soldiers and sacrifice our temporary lives, the next generation will reap the benefits of freedom. As for my soul that exits from this body will take rebirth into another body and have much better next life at the least if not be with Jesus Christ for eternity.
The only thing I can say about that as a property owner is I am glad that there are some codes and restrictions for property. I am glad that people can't run raw sewage on the ground. I'm glad that people can't move a bunch of run down campers on their property and have water and sewage running into the creeks and streams. Believe it or not people have done that, the very reason we have these codes.
Bingo!!!!!
YOU are part of the PROBLEM.
You're more concerned about SAFETY than FREEDOM!
So it's people who think like You that literally take all of our FREEDOMS!!
We can't do ANYTHING anymore without Asking Permission from 'Authorities', Following a million Codes, Applying for Licenses, Paying Fees, Fines, Tickets, basically asking Big Daddy if he'll LET us!!
Why don't you Move to Russia or Norway or a million other places if you are too scared of FREEDOM?!
ALL of those permissions are actually ILLEGAL, according to the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!
P.S. Can Anyone name even ONE FREEDOM we have that's actually 'FREE'?!
After reading the actual code, if you pour footings under the structure and secure it to the footings, it is no longer easily relocated. Just a thought.
Always a loophole when dealing with parasitic government
Yeah so I would just go to a structural engineer in the city or around the area you know in the county would have you and have them certified stamp it'll probably cost you $750 bucks
And also check to see if you built an addition to it, that might make it pass code since you will be building the addition yourself.
Take it down and rebuild it with improvements. Have fun don't let it get you down
Jack it up, remove the skid, build a cinder block foundation, put sill plates around, lower and attach to plates. Now it's no longer portable.
Never ask & keep to yourself & you'll be way better off as I don't belive anyone would have bothered you.
The question I have is why does the state want to force people to have a fixed living quarters that's physically permanently attached to the ground? Why do they care so much about that?
@@terryenyart5838 government employees believe they have the right to go everywhere on your property. 2A exists for government employees
@educational4434 TAXES! It's all about the money. Every improvement made to a piece of property increases its value and a non-permanent structure either adds very little value or none at all. It's all done under the guise of health and safety but people were living in one room log cabins with dirt floors in Tennessee for a hundred years just fine. Add to that home builders lobbying government to force these regulations down everyone's throats in order to add cost to a project so they can jack up the price of a house that's become way too complicated for the average person to build themselves. Then you're lucky if the buildings they sell you even come close to passing inspection (wonder why). It's all a scam.
Make moonshine lol
Another avenue:
Since the county and state have no inspectors, you can hire your own certified home inspector to give you legal documentation that your residence is safe.
Shouldn't be too difficult to find one of those guys for a couple hundred bucks. Your real estate company can direct you to a reputable business (they use this service all the time)
Best advice. FHA also has a ton of approved inspectors. They are a worthy couple hundred bucks indeed. Same as surveyors that will squash any chances of claiming "stolen/commandeered land", like my neighbors just tried pulling.
If you want to play by the rules. Or just live in it.
Build a addition on the and attach it to it. Build it just like the other one.
One option you could try is to have the wood inspected. There are inspectors for sawmills that inspect the dryness of the wood and stamp it. That seems to be what is holding you up from meeting the codes. I also agree that if it were to be permanently attached to some kind of foundation, it wouldn't be "removable." Keep your heads up and keep fighting! We are all rooting for you! ❤
The state is worried about wood boring beetles being transplanted from one location to another within the state. It's the same reason you can't bring in your own wood to state parks. Not sure they really have the authority they are claiming on private property though. What's the difference between buying the raw lumber from the Mennonites and simply buying one of their buildings?
Best solution : ignore all the BS and be like any other FREE rural country folk that do what they want and don't involve the government Tyrants ✅🤓
Get a scaffolding pole and two matching trailer wheels from a scrapyard, bodge a fake axel to the bottom of the cabin so it resembles a trailer, should solve the problem in the short term as it's technically a mobile home now, it doesn't have to actually move.
Lesson #1, Never say where you are! When you do, you are setting yourself up to have some jack ass do their utmost to destroy your dreams!😢
You already deconstructed the building and now you have it back together. Nice job ;)
Fantastic job you did. 🕺💃🕺💃👌👌🎉🎉🎉
Perfect!
Exactly! 👍🏻
I saw it. Great job guys.
Wow! Amazingly quick. :)
That was real fun disassembling that just to put it all back together. Thanks to everyone that came out to help make this building a "building"
perfect !
@Tibbs_Farm and @kdlittlehawk yes, again it was good to meet the 28 people who all chipped in and I am proud to be 1 of the crew who disassembled the structure and put it all back together. Thanks for the BBQ Chicken and Ribs and you left a bucket of wood putty onsite. I have it in the back of my truck. You can barely tell we were even there. Nice work everyone.
Lmao I just said tear it down reuse the same holes and rebuild it. Wasn't built off site anymore. Man this shit isn't as free as people think.
This is a prime example of laws made to protect us from ourselves, (like a non vehicle inspection). We have to stop, or repeal these laws in the USA 🇺🇸 NOW.
No wonder the world's laffin at us. It's like Joe Biteme in a picket line w striking UAW workers nat same time he's doing his best to put them out of jobs as he's main advocate for electric cars to b built n Mexico.absolutely ridiculous n ill bet uaw pres is for the right to work law n pres uaw doesn't mention the exorbitant salary he's getting just the ceos. N im son of union pres
What is the difference between this type of home and having a mobile home delivered to your property?
The fault for a lot of homesteaders and off-grid people is they announce to the public what they're doing, such as social media.
Social media is the best thing that has happened to tyranny.
a living breathing man or woman is required to make a legal or lawful claim. a 'title' 'corporation' or 'entity' are NOT able to make LAWFUL claims. They can try, but if you object, the courts must oblige. a "code enforcer" is not a man or woman. that is the title that defines how the Man or Woman is ACTING with their 'Agency'. EVERY Man and Woman is 1005 responsible for their actions, 100% of the time. If a Man or Woman makes a claim, they have the burden of proof to support that claim, and also assume liability for any harm, injury or loss that results from their claim. this is ancient stuff that not many people take the time to learn, understand and implement these days.
It works both ways...it's a means to also advertise the tyranny of the state to the world.
I disagree @@danbhakta it's not tyranny. It's unbalanced because WE THE PEOPLE forgot how to be good masters with our Public Servants. Simple. 1 Man was responsible for over 20 states dropping their man dates when he chose to hold the governor in his state accountable. within 24 hours over 20 states dropped it from a man date to a recommendation.. another example, ONE man in my town was responsible for taking a 2 lane road and making it 1 land and a bike lane, because he rides into work everyday. now there is an obscene amount of traffic. the point isn't "look at this dumb decision" the point is to demonstrate the power that a single person has when they interact with the gov appropriately.
@@JeezusChrist : What is your solution?
As a recently retired Tennessee General Contractor (CIR), the permanent foundation is the first thing to do. Also, the state requires an Electrical Inspection and a State Septic Permit.
In law, if the state requires it, the state must pay for it. If you pay for it to be done professionally, then provided you are satisfied that's needed. To not know something is your fault.
Lol, win that in court...
@@greghayes9118yea right lol that's delusional
@@greghayes9118That is a false statement you are required to pay for and have a perk test done Before the soil is even disturbed And you will also need to have An electrical Inspection done on the building And the homeowner is required to pay for all of this But if you have a foundation put under it then it will be considered a permanent structure, Even if you put a house trailer in there and you put a foundation under the outside perimeter it is considered a permanent structure and your insurance will even be cheaper on it Because it is considered a permanent structure
There is such things as composting and incinerator toilets. The other water is considered grey water and can be handled by a simple pit filled with gravel. Grey water does not have to be excused through a septic system. If they do an off grid solar/wind power generation system there is no need for an electrical permit. If they are not connected to the system it is no one’s business.
Make a concrete foundation and attach the home so that it is no longer readily removable whenever you re construct it 😊
Aren't trailers removable? Put wheels on it?
Yeh, thinking the same thing, but because they transported onto the property is the issue, should have just kept their mouth shut about it.
ppl like matt and cass are the spoiled brats of society, they're not the victim
@@p.chuckmoralesesquire3965 ??I didn't get that at all, what is it about them that you consider "spoiled"? I sense envy resentment in you.
@@pharmerdavid1432 cute projected envy kid LOL i'm good thanks.
Build an add on structure about the size of a living room and attach it to the original structure. I would also as mentioned before put in a foundation that is far more stable.
I can easily understand your anger and frustration when dealing with state or county issues. When I had a 30' x 80' workshop built I was told to stop and that I needed permission to build on my own land. They tried to use the same ploy of public safety in order to say I needed a permit. I looked up the building code and saw where public safety was the main issue, except for the fact that my land was not public in any way but was PRIVATE and that they had no lawful authority over me or my property. When I asked for proof that the code applied to me and my private property they went silent and I never heard from them again. Good luck in the future.
You are correct, the best way to be classified as private property you must have a gate and no trespassing signs at the access of your property, otherwise the public and officials do have Rights to come to your front door!
good job in your town
📝 I'll write this on my note.
everything is contracts and you essentially handled this in honor by hinting you would contract if they gave you the valid information you asked for. Conditional acceptance.
If we can’t make any piece of land a livable habitation we should then be waived a property tax fee and pay no taxes whatsoever
Build a first story structure with a concrete pad and concrete block walls. Use it as a foundation for your removable structure. Pick the removable structure up and put it on top of your new foundation. It’s no longer removable structure. And you have lots of storage underneath.
Tell the local office EXACTLY what you intend to do before you do it
That is what they do with modular homes to become permanent.
Here in Ms, A building is not a building until the roof is installed
So. Build a 10'wrap around porch. Remove the roof reinstall a roof that also covers the new porch . The building footprint has been changed
Just a foundation underneath it making it a permanent structure and an additional room built from ground up that changes the building.
It’s an Amish house-have an Amish team come out and do a barn raising evolution…they’ll have it rebuilt before the sun goes down
This is probably built better than most homes
@@TeriNkc No...very basic build...a shed.
Ive seen some Amish built homes that are not good. It was a 16thousand sq foot house. All 4 floors were in need of many things to be corrected. They couldn't stack properly on top of itself like houses should be.
@@fallofthezombies1379 My brother had his home built by the Amish. There is not one squeak in the entire 3 stories of the house. They have never used carpet and the bare floors are still pristine. I would love for them to build me a home in Florida.
Do NOT GIVE UP or let them win!
Go to the local news to ask for reconstruction help you’ll get it asap if you tell this story.
Or, go offline for a few weeks, research or ask the county what accounts for rebuilding it.
Or you can just get off social media, let things blow over and rebuild anyway. I learned how to handle difficult situations with tyrants from a man named Randy Weaver.
❤ The first comment seems plausible!!! Hang in there guys!
@@ryanward8039
As I recall it didnt end well for Mr Weaver. Dammed if you do Dammed if you don't.
I had a similar situation but the county gave me 2 weeks to move it or they were coming to take it away. I moved it thank goodness 😅
Bummer!
Just build a cinder block foundation and strap it to the blocks, looks like your house is bowing from sitting the way it is.
Just hang a sign on the porch "Ye ole time workshop" and live happily ever after!
don't look for trouble!
@@ottokittel709nobody is, trouble seems to be looking for them !!
I think a lot of homesteaders get themselves in trouble by starting a channel based on their lives. While it’s a great help to those wanting to get started, it also puts your build out there for everyone to see. There are some people I swear that have absolutely nothing better to do than watch these videos and turn people in for anything and everything. I had thought about starting a channel on rehabbing our 100 year old house into an offgrid home, but ultimately decided to keep it private for these very reasons. Well, that and all the RUclips professionals out there.
Not to mention all of the RUclips "armchair" lawyers and other "experts". I fully agree that there are people with nothing better to do than tear down others for their successes. Good luck with your restoration.
Literally had the green light from the people that would have initially given a dam and then proceeded to educate them on why they shouldn’t be allowed to build .🤦♂️
I would never show my structure as a homesteader. Never ever ever.
Too many Karen’s out there who hate it when folks are living a great life.
You are exactly right. The government is trying hard to stop homesteaders. They don't want people to be self sustaining. They want their thumb on your head. 😢
The difference between a mobile home and manufacturer housing is that manufactured housing sets on a permanent foundation and a mobile home does not. By changing the Movable title status and make it a permanent it is no longer a movable or removable.
Correct...Not sure if it's titled for transporting but if so...eliminating the title will take care of the problem.🎉
Houses are movable structures too! House movers 😱🤣 exist to move homes! They move permanent structures all the time! So in reality they are deliverables also, if you want to get technical about it!
Just live in it, what can they do to you if you just live in it ???.
Live in it while they build a "real" more permanent home. Log home perhaps? Or from the trees on their property. @@truth_farmer
What does the state of Tennessee do and or say about Mobile home parks?
I feel for you and I’m glad yall are out getting this info for us future homesteaders. The way I see it you could make a semi cut out basement and put it on cinder block walls. The catch is you will have to attach that structure to the blocks using the county codes for fasteners
Well, if it was me, I would do two things. First, as someone else suggested, fill those piers and securely anchor the structure. Now it’s not moveable. Next, open up that long side wall and install a patio sliding door. Put on an addition consisting of a floor, extended roof and a couple of side walls with large windows so as not to obstruct the view. Now you have a full length side porch that’s covered. Frame it in with windows and make an atrium/greenhouse. Add a composting toilet and a shower if you wish. Document your work with photos. That should satisfy the code requirements and provide you with a greenhouse space you’re going to need.
Great idea
This is a perfect example of looking for drama. They said you could build a house out of toothpicks. I would have left it at that and never thought about it again
Yes. Why did they inform the state?
They should've just stayed quite and focused on getting a place ready that is allowed
I think the fact that they are on RUclips means some Karen would've eventually reported them, and it would've been a huge disaster if they had already invested an enormous amount in it
They just passed a similar law here in my county in Florida and I think it's absolutely ridiculous. The government should not have the authority to tell you what you can and can't have on property you own. We need to start filling lawsuits against these absurd, overreaching laws.
Problem is you don’t really own land. You have to pay taxes on land to have said land. So the government really owns the land in the end.
I would recommend looking into land patterns
Stop voting for these people...
You never own land. The governments own the planet if you haven't noticed. Property taxes are for life for a reason.
It's not the government, it's your neighbors
22 bags of concrete from your local hardware/lumber store, make pillars and secure your bottom to them. Problem solved. Everyone happy. Hope it worked out for you guys. Looking into property to homestead myself.
Remember, back in the day when the taxman charged for closets, people started building wardrobe (stand alone closets). You can still buy a wardrobe to this day and it does not count as a closet. There is always a way around stuff if you think outside the closet…er, um box. ❤
I owe the irs 250 theyre going to have to pry it out of my cold dead hands
"Hi everybody, here's a timelapse video of us completely deconstructing and reconstructing our home!" Remove one board, video cuts to black. Next scene: "Well dangit, our battery gave out, but here's the finished product all back together again! What do you think? Don't forget to like and subscribe!" 😂
@@MrToyGnome haha that's a good one!
Put a gate with no trespassing signs! Never let anyone on your property!
Don't forget to get a shotgun
I said the same thing, ever heard of a helicopter?
Yea that will work for the county inspector lol
They use Google Earth and drones to check on rural properties. Not to mention law enforcement and other government agencies are allowed to access your property.
@@SheriffofRUclipsif they have or get a composting or incinerator toilet there is no need for a septic system. Gray water which is all water not coming from the toilets is not regulated, it’s just water.
Sounds like the law is definitely designed to enrich large contractors.
Bet it directly benefits some members of the Tennessee house & senate...
Good luck to you both👍
Exactly
Doesn't sound like a law. Just get the land patent and you can declare a no fly zone etc.
It’s not law it’s legal which applies to corporations only, unless you consent. Find out the difference so they don’t fool you, it’s massive fraud that you are deceived with.
Exactly. Housing is so ridiculously corrupt everywhere in this country. The state legislatures are run by the corrupt "HOA", bankers, lawyers, "realtors" and "developers" crowd that's constantly rigging the market.
add a block crawl space under, dig footing under lay block, warmer in winter too
Here's one take: You had lumber delivered to your property... it just so happened it came in the shape of a house.... now you're going to add more wood to it (AKA building it yourself) to the final shape that you want that wood to be, and then you can live in your own property that you made... and it's final shape that you made.
Lololololol 10 4
That’s a good idea. Just build onto it.
This too is a marvellous idea. Change the definition by bolting decks to the sides with attached pilings or screw piles underneath creating a wrap around porch. Twofold argument, permanently attached to the land and now too wide to be legal on the roads without permitting, making it no longer, ready to be removable or removable as it is wider than your drive.
lol lol
Appalachian is correct, my brother lives in Chattanoga and I drove out to help him build a 25 x 65 shop on his property. We had built the building in two parts and were about to setup the forms for the slab foundation ( I had to do it that way because of time crunch on my part) when we were surrounded by state inspectors backed up by troopers. They seemed to think we were building a meth lab or an off the books child day care, when they realized that we were going to put in on a slab they calmed down and finally left after we promised to use a licensed electrician when the time came. Moral of the story is put down piers to strap to and all is good, and it always easier to ask forgiveness than permission.
When looking to homestead, my wife and I found similar laws in several states. We found other laws making off grid living difficult in many states. It is one of the primary reasons we decided upon Alaska. The lower 48 all seem to be bent on total control over everyone, and that was not acceptable to us.
Google agenda2030.
It's all part of Agenda 2030.
Look it up. 😢
Yep! And I'm afraid it's only going to get worse especially with the Democrats in control.
Control freaks and karens work for airlines and government. Everyone else is chill and has jobs that provide actual service or products to others.
And im sure these inspection laws and red tape BS is to keep us from going off grid. Government overreach is infuriating.
Had the same thing happen to me in Colorado. I bought two and was going to finish with 2x,6,studs next to the 2x4 studs which is overbuild. They told us to remove the structure
And leave or pay a fine of 500.a day.
We all should come there for a week and donate our expertise and what lumber we have or can afford and help you guys beat the system there is always a solution to beat the system, stay strong and remember that good folks will come help you when your down all you got to do is let us know
I understand you received the delivery and placement of a critical CONSTRUCTION COMPONENT for your house build. I'm excited to see how everything looks AFTER YOU FINISH FULLY CONSTRUCTING the habitat. The deck extension, railing and stairs/stair will really add to the approach of your in progress build. The loft you are designing and building out should add to internal storage or possibly some other use. And not to mention the roofing sky light/lights will really add to appeal and provide great daytime lighting. There may be insulation, wiring, other finishing work commonly done as part of construction of such a residence. Its great they you did receive an important and critical CONSTRUCTION COMPONENT, but i'm sure the items you have planned within subsequent buildout days will really add to your future fully constructed and built home.
Wink, wink. I like your thinking. Sounds like you have been down this road too.
EXACTLY!!
The states and counties are over-stepping in so many ways. Thank you both for sharing this. If it were me, I would not change one thing. If it were to become a legal battle by some chance, I would happily challenge them in court. But that’s just me. I’m sick of government overreach, especially by unelected bureaucrats.
We are paying taxes I think they should ask us taxpayers if we even want this law!! Cater to the taxpayers; we also pay the wages of those in office!!
@@kristinaschwanebeck4944 And therein lies the root of the problem... You identify as "taxpayers", within the government corporation structure, you are essentially a lower class of citizen, subject to the will of the legislature.
Read your state constitution. Most I've ever read begin with the source of the authority to form a government being "People", as in We the People, not "taxpayers". There is an undeniable hierarchy in and outside of government, people, being the authors of the constitutions which created government offices, are at the very top, under only God. "Taxpayers" being a creation of the legislature and legislative agencies, are at the very bottom. Might as well just call yourselves peasants & serfs.
Same government that's ok with people living in tents in California 🤡
@@MrHurricaneFloyd officials of the state and government bunch of crooks up to no good. They need to stay out of people business. AMERICANS AREN'T FREE NO MORE.
dork, lol.
Add a laundry room or a large pantry!
By adding a room with a door should put you in the clear. Because you’re deconstructing and reconstructing your home.
Some friends of mine also ran into this issue. What they had to do to make it a passable structure was to put down a concrete slab the size of the building, anchor the structure down with hurricane straps, then they had to put a concrete block border around it for the underpinning. The "shed" passed inspection then. Also, for those not in the know, in some counties of Tennessee you have to do the same thing for double wide and single wide trailers. Howdy from West Tennessee, your property looks amazing.
You may be able to hire a lumber grader to put his stamp on your lumber, to pass inspection. I run a home owner saw mill and hire a lumber grader to stamp my lumber when necessary.
I just mentioned that in another reply. I agree with you, they may be able to do that seeing how all the lumber is able to be looked at it.
That seems like an outstanding idea.
Your state doesnt have class K buiding variations?
The lumber is far superior to what you get at stores. Bureaucracy B.S. at it's finest.🤬 Best of luck to you guys. 🐾🙏🏻✌🏻
It literally is - and they are actual 2x4's vs 1.75x3.5's. But because they don't have the systems "stamp of approval" they're not code. It's ridiculous. Thank you so much for the support!
@@RunawayMattCass is it possible to have someone come grade the lumber?
Call the lawyer and the codes guy and ask whether the shed is a permanant structure if you build a foundation under it? Also ask for whether they would then at that time consider Grandfathering their laws for those who are either building that foundation and or were not made aware by the builders that living in such buildings in Tennessee is prohibited.
@@scottensley9964 BEST ADVICE IS QUIT CALLING PEOPLE AND MAKING VIDEOS AND THE STATE WILL FORGET ABOUT YOU.MOST LIKELY. THIS COUPLE OWNS THE LAND I ASSUME - SLEEP IN THE VAN FOR AWHILE - THE LAZY GOV EMPLOYEES WILL FORGET YOU EVER CALLED - WHICH WAS NOT SMART TO BEGIN WITH IMO
@@RunawayMattCass - Yes EXACTLY...you have a structure using ACTUAL 2" x 4" lumber! There was a time in America, many years ago, THIS was the normal. Now, the "approved" lumber they want you to use is 3-1/2" x 1-1/2"....crooked, etc.
That being said, had I intended to live in it I would have the Amish builder increase those roof rafters to at least 2" x 6".
This has much less to do with "public safety" and everything to do with large lumber companies, modular housing industry, real estate agencies lobbying (paying off) state and local government to enact these restrictions...Inspectors also wanting their cut of the money. Add to that the government concern that their property tax extortion scheme misses a few dollars somewhere...like it not currently being on a permanent foundation.
However you proceed, you now have to have ACCURATE guidance and proper checklist...not rely solely on Internet comments.
Me and my family are in a similar situation. (county does enforce. Oregon Lynn) I needed to built something to put put my family in. I was informed by a neighbor through the county that what I was doing was ilegal (he has his right to complaint.) now we have to make the 16 x24 shed into an actual hose and permit it as such if we plan to stay even one night on it.
The transparency you guys have is encouraging. We we needed to be transparent to because we go in this life with honesty. To many lies on the past.
Praying for you guys that this whole thing gets sorted out.
I really wish people could get together and come to help these people. I am a contractor and could probably get some people to pitch in. But seriously people need to get together and let's help this couple. This is the life I dream of myself someday.
Before the depression of 1930 all the neighbors use to help new neighbors build their home. If we still help one another as back then, no one would be homeless now. We would have found a way together. I love your idea and your dream.
This is happening all over the country. This is not the 1st couple. In California you can’t build anything on your own land unless your neighbors, the city and the county approve of it first. $$$
As i was just in the Philippines, living in a houseade half of tree branches with a half steel, half nipa roof, with no code, with a kitchen they use open flame wood to cook with. I realize how "free" we are not in the USA
This happened to me years ago in a much strickter state so to get around it I hired a structural engineer to write a letter saying it was a sound building. ....it worked for me
Put a sign on the front, under the porch , visible to the front Yard in Bold Letters …TOOL SHED.,
THEN I WOULD dig out below your outside wall frame and poor a foundation and block it in. It’s work, but it won’t be readily removable.
Interesting video. I'm a lifelong, Native Tennessean, and your home is nicer than many I see people living in, and haved lived in , for decades. Foundation, home anchored to the foundation, septic attached, well or municipal water attached, and this will be a nice place to live. 🎉🎉❤😊
This is what you do...
Buy lumber, re-stud the front porch, removing and replacing the framing of porch. Then, re-frame a closed in area "room" on the porch. Closing it in, thus you have bypassed the complete removing and rebuilding of the house and should have satisfied the code. After all, the house wasn't complete until you built the last piece being the room. That is my opinion, that is what I would do!
Suggestion: First add mobile-home tie downs, four on each side, which render the structure "Not Readily Removable". Then remove a portion of one of the walls and add a room. The removal of structure satisfies the "deconstruction" option, and the added room adds to the "Not Readily Removable" requirement. Good luck and best wishes from "Off The Grid" in New Mexico.
Here's an ancient saying that should help you. "Don't, and say you did."
Attach the structure to a concrete foundation then it’s no longer moveable.
@@pentuplemintgum666exactly
Just build on to it with more rooms. My brother lived in NC and the law was you can't build to and old house. So he jack up the house and builds a concrete porch on it all the way around it. So that could not tell if it was a old house are not. He had to disassemble the 2 room house. He made it a 5 bedroom 3 bathroom house.
Thank God we live in a free country where you can’t live where you want to on your own property.
I just partially read up on the law there in Tennessee and basically you need to change the category that your building would fall under. As it sits your building in the video is on blocks and can be "readily removed" and based on the structuring of the language in the ordnance you should be able to convert the building into a permanent structure by anchoring it to a slab or some sort of permanent foundation.i hope this helps a little
That home can be lifted up temporarily, and you can build a new foundation. And put back down.
How is this any different then living in a mobile home?
They to can be moved to other locations.
I think that one you can change that home and make it permanent and bypass all of the bs. Next was you found your own problem and created the problem that you found so trying to be compliant with the law which is basically BS and bureaucracy you've proven to the powers that be that you are not following the law and therefore you are a criminal and because your criminal you're in the wrong. Whereas if you just left it alone nobody would have bothered you and eventually you would have been grandfathered in. You stepped into the bureaucracy unnecessarily. So that being the what I recommend is contest the legality of the law in question and see if you can get it changed.
@@18632ewa8 💯 a law none of them in the bureaucracy even realized existed 😂
Screw it. Put it on a trailer. Be cheaper in a long run. Set frame on blocks.
Build an addition. Just a small bathroom or closet off one side. As long as it's attached it's not ready removable.
It's something that we are considering. It's just a tough decision as if the state decided that we couldn't do that, all they have to do is tell us that we cannot live in it and it would be up to us to fight them in court. It's a tough decision with committing more finances and time without knowing for sure if the state would bug us.
@@RunawayMattCass talk it out with the state / local zoning and ask them if there's something that can be done to make it legal... just keep trying.. get an aswer that is official and that way you have legal cause.. document who you talk to, what they say, and have a timeline..
Aside from attached add ons, propose bollards that are sunk into the ground to prevent drag out/load out/removable. Set one in front of each porch pole and halfway down the length. Steel tubes so they can't say wood posts in the ground cut easily take removable.
@@russelneilv1361Best to just Get the Local Building Codes in Print to see what Is allowed & NOT tell the gov anything til you're 100% positive you're doing it right!!!
Sounds like IF you keep them posted as to What you want to do, they're going to just Shut you Down from the Start!!
A mudroom would be a terrific addition, IMO.
Instead of cap block pillars raise the building , dig foundation footer trench , pour concrete and rebar footer. Lay block foundation , lower building onto foundation. No longer ready removable. Now a permanent structure.