To be fair, the video is not just abilities focused, it's specifically Prismatic. Stompees have been a pain point for the entirety of the game's lifespan. At this point in d2's lifetime, taking about Stompees is beating a dead horse
They literally nerf titans into the dirt for slightly having the edge in some scenarios but buff hunters at every turn and allow them to run amok and call it balance smh I don’t blame bungie I blame the community and there dishonesty and there bias for hunters(angry titan main here don’t mind me)
Honestly surprised someone said this bc I agree so much. Like for some reason, no matter how strong the OVERALL hunter kit is in PvP, every hunter online loves to claim titans and warlocks 1 ability is oppressive enough to make their class ‘least strong in PvP’
Thanks for the video! There's a strong parallel between this and what were considered to be the most oppressive Titan abilities (Barricade in general, especially when combined with Bastion and/or especially Citan's Ramparts; launch Arc 3.0's Storm Grenades when enhanced with Touch of Thunder; and the iconic example Ward of Dawn); that is, area denial with other strong functionality, combined with short cooldowns. Considering the long series of complaints that led to frequent and often over-severe nerfs to those tools were often led by Hunters, it's interesting to see how many "Just cope, bro" comments there are out there when this kit is arguably far better.
Hunters were 55% of players in trials this week, bungie wont over nerf them. Titans were 19% so the best titans can hope for is no further nerfs. If that many players are going to play hunter, whether hunters are op or not, they will get a slap on the wrist if that
Idk titans were pretty oppressive arc 3.0 and on. Citans and storm nades were probably the worst meta considering you were rewarded for playing slow and behind cover. Also had best super in the game on a shorter cooldown with PKs and Anteus as your aggressive options. The hunter spam is super annoying but can at least be countered by playing primaries at range. The fix is so easy for hunters, threaded specter should have longer cooldown when equipped, PvP only, similar to Bastion. Gamblers dodge cannot give a full melee in PvP with a melee this strong, so cut that to half charge and were good.
This is my issue as well. Arc Titan should have 3 supers. Fists of Havoc, T-Crash which is now 3 impacts instead of 1, and Falling Star-1 impact with a slight delay that creates a Storm over the impact site that tracks enemies. The impact does half damage and the Storm is the other half.
What makes metas like this annoying for me is how they slow down gameplay. Instead of playing fast and aggressive, you're constantly waiting for scorch to tick off or playing hide and seek with smokes and threaded spectres. Other metas that had this problem were classy restoration, ToT storm nades, YAS tripmines, Chaos Accel Axions, Lemonarque, and Wishender Threadling camping. Point is, metas that encourage passive play with get out of jail free cards are boring and aggravating.
Hunter main here and The crucible is in a pretty low point imo. So boring with 60% of the people I see being prismatic Hunter with the Cookie cutter setups and the other 40% being non-prismatic hunters and Titans and warlocks. I still main solar/arc Hunter. If you shoot one of them in the leg they automatically split like a taken psion , get close and be ready to be slowed, smoked and weakened, unraveled with threadlings chewing on you. oh and they have a gun. Total snoozefest fighting literally the exact same character for the 800th time. They have to be coming out of a factory somewhere.
Being a Titan mostly player… post Final Shape sandbox and PvP (even though I barely play) has been the most frustrating time I’ve ever experienced in the game. Bungie actively took a dump on Titans front porch and left a bag there. Zero creativity has been spent toward Titans over the years and Prismatic’s lack of variety in the Titan kit is a direct result of the lack of variety in the other kits. Bungie literally had no other choices to put in the kit. Go look at the aspects and fragments they didn’t bring to Prismatic. Zero of them would synergize better than what is there. The other side of the coin is the classic “favored child” status of Hunters for Final Shape and the refusal of Bungie to address it. The ‘nerfs’ were empty and useless and never address the issue… ability uptime… by lengthening cooldowns or adjusted the elephant in the room GAMBLER’S DODGE and it’s negation of melee cooldowns on a short timer.
As a Titan Main i see Specters as better titan barriers. It can do dmg, tank bullets, mess with the radar. On top of that it's damn near instant compare to putting down a barrier. Barrier animation is like 3x as long and you are stationary compared to a hunter dodge. But Dodge specter lets you get all the benefits of a titan barrier while being mobile.
Or make the Titan Thruster do the same as Threaded Speacter in some way. That would be fun to. Or make Thruster the normal and still give us Barricade. Now that would be funny and annoying
Hey Razeki, I wanted to pass an idea of a new video series for you. What do you think about hearing your community's ideas on what could be adjusted in different aspects of the game. For example, I have an idea about how the titan exotic armor hallowfire heart could be made more viable. I think it should create sunspots on any solar kill based on an escalating chance to create a sunspot per kill and also grant a tiny amount of super energy when defeating targets with a sunspot. And keep the ability Regen rate when your solar super is full. Anyways, let me know what you think.
They need to give every class swarm grenades and Grapple. Why Does Hunter get both of these on prismatic. And take threated specter off radar. And make the arc super activate only once. The area and tracking is REDICILIOUS. While there at it at Banner of War to Titan Prismatic since they completely want us to focus on Melee builds. Then I'll be happy
Seeing as all the strongest/most irritating abilities in prismatic are exclusively on hunter, no. It's a hunter problem bc about half of the individual pain points of prism hunter are unique to hunter. Smoke, spectre and shroud. Duskfield and swarm may not be exclusive to hunter in general but when on prismatic, all the individually tolerable/kinda-balanced irritants are overwhelming.
Titans completely dominated the crucible with uncounterable exotics and kits for two straight years. I do not feel bad for any titan mains crying right now, cuz we have at least a year and a half left to go before we're even.
@@OSTATEboi419 this was just never the reality yet seems to be the only recollection of every hunter rn. Pretty sad it’s why pvp is at the lowest player pool of all time bc of takes like this smh
@@renelebeau3695 you must not be an avid pvp player cuz there's no way you don't remember the Thundercrash arc titan meta, with broken Dunemarchers that could one shot people 20 meters away. The Citans Ramparts meta, the uncounterable Juggernaut/Antaeus Wards meta, the Void Titan Peacekeeper/overshield meta that lasted almost a year on its own. Those were just the metals that dominated back to back, before those there was the One Eyed Mask meta that was literally like having software wall hacks built into the game. Titans have had plenty of time on top.
@@OSTATEboi419 lmao I’ve played since d1 all classes. While titans have had their time being strong. Hunters have never been bad. It’s the funnest class to play in pvp yet for some reason ‘Hunter mains’ are adamant they’ve always had it the hardest which is cringe af bc they have had the most longevity as far as viability in trials for the longest time compared to other two classes. And have always been designed as the pvp oriented class. It’s actually insane that anyone would ever argue to me that barricades and straight line speed/melees is more viable in an fps. Agility, movement, dodges will always be more useful for neutral game usage in any fps. No chance the giant slow, barricade class is hard to get around you should watch hynra and asian servers titans have always been last bc they’re so ass w movement in high level PvP.
@@renelebeau3695 Only so much agility can do against a titan that gets immunity frames while he slides at you with his shotgun or rangefinder/target lock Immortal smg. Or 3 overshield titans hiding behind barricades that can tank a whole primary mag, while they shoot you through it. Even Diffizzle switched over and he's one of the best Hunter mains in the game. Were hunters ever terrible? No and I never claimed they were, I just pointed out that titans have been the undisputed top class for a long time, so I have no sympathy for people that can't let it go.
@@OSTATEboi419 it’s obviously agree to disagree situation but if I look at trials usage rates in the history of destiny it’s always been hunters by a landslide. People choose the strongest class in trials and it’s always been hunter other than a few months here and there.
Great video!
I get that abilities were your main focus, but you're crazy for not mentioning stompees. They are a skilled Hunters most powerful tool.
To be fair, the video is not just abilities focused, it's specifically Prismatic. Stompees have been a pain point for the entirety of the game's lifespan. At this point in d2's lifetime, taking about Stompees is beating a dead horse
They literally nerf titans into the dirt for slightly having the edge in some scenarios but buff hunters at every turn and allow them to run amok and call it balance smh I don’t blame bungie I blame the community and there dishonesty and there bias for hunters(angry titan main here don’t mind me)
Titans suck ass i still play it.
Hello fellow Titan main. I think we just need to be consistent with our feedback, Titan players are obviously frustrated and Bungie knows it.
Honestly surprised someone said this bc I agree so much. Like for some reason, no matter how strong the OVERALL hunter kit is in PvP, every hunter online loves to claim titans and warlocks 1 ability is oppressive enough to make their class ‘least strong in PvP’
I’m with you mate, I’m so salty when it comes to the crucible. I still play titan though, I’m too stubborn
Delete your bad titan and make a hunter. Then have fun in crucible again. Problem solved
Thanks for the video! There's a strong parallel between this and what were considered to be the most oppressive Titan abilities (Barricade in general, especially when combined with Bastion and/or especially Citan's Ramparts; launch Arc 3.0's Storm Grenades when enhanced with Touch of Thunder; and the iconic example Ward of Dawn); that is, area denial with other strong functionality, combined with short cooldowns.
Considering the long series of complaints that led to frequent and often over-severe nerfs to those tools were often led by Hunters, it's interesting to see how many "Just cope, bro" comments there are out there when this kit is arguably far better.
Hunters were 55% of players in trials this week, bungie wont over nerf them. Titans were 19% so the best titans can hope for is no further nerfs. If that many players are going to play hunter, whether hunters are op or not, they will get a slap on the wrist if that
@@elaron2537 while it parallels those previous metas you mentioned imo prismatic hunter is 5x more oppressive and annoying.
Idk titans were pretty oppressive arc 3.0 and on. Citans and storm nades were probably the worst meta considering you were rewarded for playing slow and behind cover. Also had best super in the game on a shorter cooldown with PKs and Anteus as your aggressive options.
The hunter spam is super annoying but can at least be countered by playing primaries at range.
The fix is so easy for hunters, threaded specter should have longer cooldown when equipped, PvP only, similar to Bastion. Gamblers dodge cannot give a full melee in PvP with a melee this strong, so cut that to half charge and were good.
Love the structure of this video and the approach to the topic. I hope to see more videos like this in the future👍
its so dumb that storm edge is basicaly 3xt crash whit less cooldown
This is my issue as well. Arc Titan should have 3 supers. Fists of Havoc, T-Crash which is now 3 impacts instead of 1, and Falling Star-1 impact with a slight delay that creates a Storm over the impact site that tracks enemies. The impact does half damage and the Storm is the other half.
Thank you for having a non biased, super honest blunt look at this Razeki. Love this cont
What makes metas like this annoying for me is how they slow down gameplay. Instead of playing fast and aggressive, you're constantly waiting for scorch to tick off or playing hide and seek with smokes and threaded spectres. Other metas that had this problem were classy restoration, ToT storm nades, YAS tripmines, Chaos Accel Axions, Lemonarque, and Wishender Threadling camping. Point is, metas that encourage passive play with get out of jail free cards are boring and aggravating.
Hunter main here and The crucible is in a pretty low point imo. So boring with 60% of the people I see being prismatic Hunter with the Cookie cutter setups and the other 40% being non-prismatic hunters and Titans and warlocks. I still main solar/arc Hunter.
If you shoot one of them in the leg they automatically split like a taken psion , get close and be ready to be slowed, smoked and weakened, unraveled with threadlings chewing on you. oh and they have a gun. Total snoozefest fighting literally the exact same character for the 800th time. They have to be coming out of a factory somewhere.
Being a Titan mostly player… post Final Shape sandbox and PvP (even though I barely play) has been the most frustrating time I’ve ever experienced in the game.
Bungie actively took a dump on Titans front porch and left a bag there. Zero creativity has been spent toward Titans over the years and Prismatic’s lack of variety in the Titan kit is a direct result of the lack of variety in the other kits.
Bungie literally had no other choices to put in the kit. Go look at the aspects and fragments they didn’t bring to Prismatic. Zero of them would synergize better than what is there.
The other side of the coin is the classic “favored child” status of Hunters for Final Shape and the refusal of Bungie to address it. The ‘nerfs’ were empty and useless and never address the issue… ability uptime… by lengthening cooldowns or adjusted the elephant in the room GAMBLER’S DODGE and it’s negation of melee cooldowns on a short timer.
Mmmm that rezeki ice shaker looks dope, it would give me 10% horse enegry per sip.
@2:30 and that's one horribly delayed suppression grenade out of nowhere
As a Titan Main i see Specters as better titan barriers. It can do dmg, tank bullets, mess with the radar. On top of that it's damn near instant compare to putting down a barrier. Barrier animation is like 3x as long and you are stationary compared to a hunter dodge. But Dodge specter lets you get all the benefits of a titan barrier while being mobile.
Or make the Titan Thruster do the same as Threaded Speacter in some way. That would be fun to. Or make Thruster the normal and still give us Barricade. Now that would be funny and annoying
Man you gotta let yourself recover when you hurt yourself brev. You were getting yammed on.
That's why I only recorded one game haha. Got my wrist wrapped up today and taking it easy as best as I can!
Hey Razeki, I wanted to pass an idea of a new video series for you. What do you think about hearing your community's ideas on what could be adjusted in different aspects of the game. For example, I have an idea about how the titan exotic armor hallowfire heart could be made more viable. I think it should create sunspots on any solar kill based on an escalating chance to create a sunspot per kill and also grant a tiny amount of super energy when defeating targets with a sunspot. And keep the ability Regen rate when your solar super is full. Anyways, let me know what you think.
They need to give every class swarm grenades and Grapple. Why Does Hunter get both of these on prismatic. And take threated specter off radar. And make the arc super activate only once. The area and tracking is REDICILIOUS. While there at it at Banner of War to Titan Prismatic since they completely want us to focus on Melee builds. Then I'll be happy
isnt this just a prismatic class issue, not a hunter issue specifically?
Seeing as all the strongest/most irritating abilities in prismatic are exclusively on hunter, no. It's a hunter problem bc about half of the individual pain points of prism hunter are unique to hunter. Smoke, spectre and shroud. Duskfield and swarm may not be exclusive to hunter in general but when on prismatic, all the individually tolerable/kinda-balanced irritants are overwhelming.
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Dawg what are you doing in this gameplay 😭
wrist was in a lot of pain, just had to get something for the gameplay footage 😂
@@RazekiYT13 min on shenanigans
sounds like a skill issue
Titans completely dominated the crucible with uncounterable exotics and kits for two straight years. I do not feel bad for any titan mains crying right now, cuz we have at least a year and a half left to go before we're even.
@@OSTATEboi419 this was just never the reality yet seems to be the only recollection of every hunter rn. Pretty sad it’s why pvp is at the lowest player pool of all time bc of takes like this smh
@@renelebeau3695 you must not be an avid pvp player cuz there's no way you don't remember the Thundercrash arc titan meta, with broken Dunemarchers that could one shot people 20 meters away.
The Citans Ramparts meta, the uncounterable Juggernaut/Antaeus Wards meta, the Void Titan Peacekeeper/overshield meta that lasted almost a year on its own. Those were just the metals that dominated back to back, before those there was the One Eyed Mask meta that was literally like having software wall hacks built into the game. Titans have had plenty of time on top.
@@OSTATEboi419 lmao I’ve played since d1 all classes. While titans have had their time being strong. Hunters have never been bad. It’s the funnest class to play in pvp yet for some reason ‘Hunter mains’ are adamant they’ve always had it the hardest which is cringe af bc they have had the most longevity as far as viability in trials for the longest time compared to other two classes. And have always been designed as the pvp oriented class. It’s actually insane that anyone would ever argue to me that barricades and straight line speed/melees is more viable in an fps. Agility, movement, dodges will always be more useful for neutral game usage in any fps. No chance the giant slow, barricade class is hard to get around you should watch hynra and asian servers titans have always been last bc they’re so ass w movement in high level PvP.
@@renelebeau3695 Only so much agility can do against a titan that gets immunity frames while he slides at you with his shotgun or rangefinder/target lock Immortal smg. Or 3 overshield titans hiding behind barricades that can tank a whole primary mag, while they shoot you through it. Even Diffizzle switched over and he's one of the best Hunter mains in the game.
Were hunters ever terrible? No and I never claimed they were, I just pointed out that titans have been the undisputed top class for a long time, so I have no sympathy for people that can't let it go.
@@OSTATEboi419 it’s obviously agree to disagree situation but if I look at trials usage rates in the history of destiny it’s always been hunters by a landslide. People choose the strongest class in trials and it’s always been hunter other than a few months here and there.