WHO IS THE ROBIN FROM TEEN TITANS?
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- Опубликовано: 29 июл 2024
- It's been heavily debated on the internet just which Robin is underneath the mask in the Teen Titans and Teen Titans Go series.
Is it Dick Grayson or Tim Drake ?
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Apparently a lot of dudes in the comments didn't bother watching the whole video. They be bringing up the same stuff this guy already talked about like he forgot to mention it lmao.
For real these comment sections are brain dead bro
It’s obviously Dick Grayson
-relationship with Starfire
-Larry’s name is Dick Grayson backwards
-we see in his memory the flying Grayson
- he becomes Nightwing
-Dick Grayson is leader of the teen titans in the comics
-Arch enemy of Death Stroke just like in the comics(until DC forgot)
Finally someone mentioned Larry's name being Dick Grayson spelled backwards lol
Plus they had an episode where it shows them in the future and he becomes nightwing.
-in the future/time travel episode he is nightwing
Yeah, as much as I love Batman: Arkham Origins, I have to admit that it is solely responsible for starting this "Batman vs Deathstroke" rivalry that single handedly undermined the assassins rivalry with two characters. I hate that it resulted in Nightwing having a tiring rivalry with William Cobb, and Green Arrow having no rivalry.
It was obviously dick grayson 😂
I’m honestly shocked that anyone thought he was Tim Drake. The creators made it very obvious who he was
People try to say They Live is about 'liberal' censorship when it's about Reagan-era politics, people try to say Jesus is pro-war, and people _loooove_ to ship characters of any variety no matter how incestuous it gets. Nothing shocks me with stupid fan misinterpretations at this point.
He becomes Nightwing to back up your claim as well...
@@christopherb501 what?
@@Cognito47 yeah how did people think he was tim
They also showed the circus when Raven looked into his eyes
The main problem with Dick Grayson being robin in Teen Titans was mainly how he acted. He actually was more like Tim Drake or Damian Wayne in terms of character. Dick was portrayed, in pretty much every media shown, to be very chill and collected, while Robin in Teen Titans was almost nonstop on edge.
Given that Robin was pretty separate from Bruce at the time, you could argue this was Dick's edgy teenage years before the identity switch.
Until we got YJ Robin, he acted almost similar to TTs version except being more jokey and chaotic.
@@Jordaxio and welmed
it was his angst era LOL he was fighting with bruce and the titans was his way of rebellion, he was like 13-14
He was aggressive but literally show him as nightwing in the future so there was no debate
It's Dick Grayson. It's implied in multiple ways by the show, from having that imp that shows up Dick's name shown in reverse to Raven seeing the death of his parents in the circus even showing the vow that he made with Batman in his mind and of course he also becomes Nightwing in a time travel episode.
They flat out said his name sometimes too
And his relationship with starfire whom he married in comics and is in a relationship with in current DC teen titans movie
And in the future episode on the show he is very clearly nightwing(you mentioned this)
And larry's name was dick grayson backwards
Everything you wrote has been stated by Vee in this video ^^ watch before commentating... or don't, more comments => better for the channel I guess?
@@randallflagg3700 I'm not the only one. Also like he states himself he's my least favourite you tuber.
It's obvious the Robin in this series is Dick Grayson. The relationship with Starfire, the rivalry with Deathstroke/Slade, and the fact that he ended up becoming Nightwing...
in truth when people dont know it make me think have they even watch it.
@@adam2008ize Ikr 😂
Thanks for repeating I didn’t hear when he said all off those things in the video
Then how do you explain Nightwing appearing in Teen Titans?
I'm sorry did everyone just miss the episode where we see him as Nightwing so yeah I'm pretty sure that's Dick fine I can see Tim up to a point but once they showed him as Nightwing it can't be anyone else
The Dick Grayson Robin in Teen Titans and The Batman (2004) both use a bow-staff (a weapon which is more associated with the Tim Drake one in the comics). I've always thought that both shows were in the same continuity with Teen Titans taking place later in Robin's life.
I always thought Teen Titans was connected to the 2004 animated series The BatMan they both share a similar art style were created around the same time plus the Robin in that show also uses a staff and later becomes Night Wing like the Robin in Teen Titans.
Same!
Me too!who knows maybe it is...🤔
Same here.
Same. I also wanted to say that robins hair from the batman is the same of robins hair from teen titans when down
That's my headcanon
I'm pretty sure it was confirmed to be Dick Grayson because in the Teen Titans episode "Haunted" Raven goes into Robin's mind and it shows the the Flying Graysons circus act
It was he literally became Nightwing in the future Teen Titans is more than likely in the Batman TV show universe
And Larry's (the Batmite equvialent on Teen Titans) real name is just Dick Grayson said backwards. Got to admit, didn't catch that as a kid because I wasn't familiar with DC comics stuff at the time. Whoops. 😅
@@hope-cat4894 That’s no problem
Tim was also there that night.
Jason had his own circus origin pre-Crisis because, well, the idea was suspiciously similar substitute.
@@Adam_X78 I agree, but the common fan theory is that red x is Jason Todd. Red x is constantly calling robin "kid" and Jason is a lot older than Tim. It isn't entirely impossible that this is an alternate universe where Tim becomes Nightwing.
The easiest way to know that this show wasn't in the DCAU was that Kid Flash was Wally West in Teen Titans at the same he was Flash in Justice League. Both versions of Wally are voiced by Michael Rosenbaum
could have been different times in the same universe. in the future of teen titans wally could have joined justice league after turning 20
If we are taking go into account there is also his villain alias which is Dick Gravestone. An obvious play on Dick Grayson, and they also devote an episode to explaining how he grew up on a circus just like Dick.
When I watched Teen Titans as a kid, I had no idea there were multiple Robins nor did I know who Dick Grayson was. As an adult, I found out that Dick Grayson was the Robin in the show.
So you never watched Batman the animated series growing up I assume.
@@The810kid Nope. That show aired a little bit before my time. For context, I was born in the late 90s and Teen Titans was one of the 1st superhero cartoons I remember watching as a kid.
This is for superheros in general for me i didn't really care or know who they were all i cared about was the hero even if I didn't know the heros name I would prefer to him/her as something simple like beast boy I called him green guy.
when i was younger, i thought grifter from the flashpoint movie was jason todd of another timeline. i know, the hair colors are different, but i remember hearing some trivia that jason todd originally had blonde hair and just dyed it black, only to find out that this was a 1 time thing and no other continuity has done the same. also, after finding out how wrong i was, i really want dc to add this character quirk back, i just like the idea that jason was so angsty as a kid that he dyed his hair black to look more cool and intimidating
same, the batman show aired years before i was born and even teen titans aired while i was a baby so i only watched bits as i got older. i didn’t even realise there were multiple robins till more recently
I had no clue so many people thought the Teen Titans Robin was Tim. I thought it was well known it was Dick
Yeah I always thought it was Tim
I always believed it was Grayson.
Well, I only learned recently there are multiple Robins, but I assumed This Robin is still Grayson due to all the Hints(Circus Tragedy, becomes Nightwing, etc)
Another big issue is that Teen Titans was weirdly coy about using names.
Starfire is never called Kori, Cyborg is never called Victor, and Beast Boy is only ever called Garfield once.
Deathstroke is called Slade, and when Robin is forced to steal tech from "somewhere," it's a Wayne Enterprises building, but we never see the full name on the roof.
I'm almost certain there were some legal issues at play, hence the copyright dodging, and why Robin's real name is never used, resulting in the confusion over which Robin he actually was.
deathstroke was just censoring. they couldn't have "death" in a character name. so they used slade as deathstroke's real name is slade wilson. which is why when marvel decided to make a deathstroke ripoff they gave his real name as wade wilson to really hammer home the similarity when making deadpool
I’ve always Chalked up TT Robin using a staff to the way Batman trains all the robins. Using a staff is an easy to pick up and highly versatile weapon. It also makes sense that TT Robin switches to akimbo stick (splitting the staff) like Nightwing does. The issues that make it a pretty decent fit for Tim (which it definitely isn’t) is the at it explains red X and Robin’s more hard logic decisions like the titans takedown scenarios. Tim is the closest to batman in terms of mentality. Creating an alter ego to trick bad guys into trusting him and having a plan for taking down all his friends feels so batman that I can only see Tim being the one to genuinely do that. Of course I like that it Happens in the show, they were great stories. It just feels off that Dick Grayson would have done that when he’s the main critic to batman about not seeing his Allies as Allies.
Also as far as Robin and Batgirl ships go. Jason and Barbara makes the most sense. Jason has to be about 2-3 years younger than Dick so the age gap is minimal enough. It also is more Fuel for the Red hood to judge Batman for not killing the joke after all the stuff he’d find out happens to Barbara. It gives Jason a reason to want to work the the Batfamily Sven with his hang ups, and I actually like the pairing of Tim and Wondergirl which apparently isn’t nearly as popular as I’d thought.
@kozumekenma9157Tim's costume literally had green in the comics when the teen titans show was airing
I still don’t get the whole “He uses a bo staff so it MUST be Tim” argument anyway. Sure, Tim is more well known for using a bo than any other Robin, but Dick has been shown using one in MULTIPLE different iterations. Injustice I and II, The Batman, Arkham Origins, etc. So why are they trying to make it as if Tim is the only one to ever use one?
tbf, i always preferred the tonfas he had but yeah, a staff is a common non lethal weapon, hell, batman has used one before multiple times
Isn't the Robin in Injustice 2 Damian? IIRC Dick was killed in between games.
@@joshcarbine2191 You are correct. However, he still uses Dick's Escrima sticks that are able to combine into a staff in the first game. In the second game, you can unlock a staff weapon for Damian called The Staff of Grayson. So he still used a staff in this universe.
Right, every Robin except Damian used a bo. This dude is fucking pompous
All of the games you mentioned came out years after the teen titans show.
It's Dick Grayson they gave out his backstory in one of the episodes plus his whole relationship with Starfire is a Dick Grayson story
And the time travel ep he become nightwing
@@danybey4182 and nightwing is still with the teen titans even injustice 2 shows it with star fire being upset about dick Graysons death
I first watched Teen Titans as an adult without the context of all those other shows, so I never thought he was anyone but Dick Grayson. Having watched this video, I can see why it would be confusing to kids. It's also weird how the Titans never address each other by name or dress casually around each other even though they're all friends, and you'd think they know each other's secret identities. I plan on watching some of the DC animated universe shows, but it's a shame that they're not part of the same continuity like I assumed.
I used to read fanfiction about Teen Titans because it was a favorite of mine and the stories would refer to this Robin as Dick. So honestly even with my limited knowledge of DC at the time and years later, I already knew it was Dick Grayson. The multiple things from this series like Robin becoming Nightwing, his relationship with Starfire, his rivalry with Slade, the comment he makes to Slade about already having a father, the Haunted episode where the circus is shown with his parents deaths, and probably more make it obvious it’s Dick.
But I guess I can’t blame people too much for thinking it was Tim Drake. Things DO get changed around a lot. Hell Arkham Knight had Barbara date Tim instead of Dick.
Which reminds me……damn we need Tim in the animated DC stuff more.
They went into the future in Teen Titans and he was Nightwing. Those fans need to pay attention. Freakin essays about how he’s Tim Drake🤣
I've seen people argue to this about Danny Fenton being trans
@@DrakeKnight99 did they forget that he had a female clone?
All robins become Nightwing at some point so that's not a valid argument
@@youngjuice4070 Jason Todd - Red Hood, Damian Wayne - Batman, Tim Drake - Red Robin, Dick is the only Nightwing. Nightwing is also known to be romantically involved with StarFire which this Robin was also
@@gatesofwrestling I'm not saying that it's not dick it obviously is I'm saying at one point may not the main comics but every Robin has became Nightwing in the creators could have said let's make this Robin Nightwing even though in the main continuity he's not Nightwing
Are people dumb, I always thought/knew it was Dick. Hell, we literally see him in the future as Nightwing. Idk man. I grew up with the DCAU as well, but I never associated the show with it. It's so visually different, like it has such a heavy anime influence. I never made any sort of link.
It's also how he confused BTAS Robin and Teen Titans Robin just because a video game just happened to have TT Robin as a voice lol
They're in different universes and different characters, the DCAU just likes to make references at some things from time to time, and like no disrespect to anyone who's still a little confused by the timelines but it's really not that confusing.
Exactlyyyy
@@justame333 honestly, like the fact that Vee had to make this video is mind boggling.
@@SPIDEYSK8RBOY there are not many people on internet it's filled with bots
@@Dev20059 🤣🤣
I'm glad you made this, I never realized so many people didn't know TT Robin is Dick Grayson. It's made really apparent in the series, so the fact people were trying to correct you as if you were wrong while being so confident and being wrong themselves makes me really want to bully them for being stupid.
That SpongeBob bit at the end killed me bro 😂
-subbed !
I knew this was Dick Grayson just off the simple fact that their outfits were different. Tim had a red/black color scheme while Dick had a red/black/green color scheme before becoming Nightwing. Also, I never bought that this was canon to DCAU, mainly because of the art style. The DCAU was relatively consistent with its style over the years, obviously with tweaks here and there. Teen Titans took more influence from anime in terms of design. Hell, to be honest, I thought the Titans was more canon with The Batman T.V show for a little while because of how similar the design was for Robin.
Edit: Barbara x Dick for life.
#Robstar4life
Larry's name was dick grayson backwards so it was pretty obvious that this robin was dick grayson
Or because in the episode where starfire goes to the future he is nightwing I thought it was simple
Animated Starfire and Robin/nightwing is superior, comics Barbara and Dick is superior
Also the whole Nosyarg Kcid
They definitely took aspects from other Robins, but it's for sure Dick Grayson.
I always thought it was both, because after Dick Grayson becomes Nightwing Tim Drake becomes the new Robin from Teen Titans
This was a great video, got me to subscribe, excited to watch the rest of your videos!!
I always thought it was Dick Grayson. They made it incredibly obvious it was Dick Grayson. Plus, Dick is leader of the Titans in literally every showing of the Titans.
Technically no?
He was the past leader of the Titans in the DCAMU but that doesn’t really feature the Titans at all until later on when Damian joins them and Damian joins them, the leader is Starfire. Dick is there of course but it’s as Nightwing.
@@starrsmith3810yea but Starfire is grown af then & the team mentor
I am pretty sure it was always Dick Grayson. Him becoming Nightwing in the future , the flashbacks to his origins which had his acrobat parents dying , the Batmite Robin like character had Dick Grayson's name in reverse and him being the first child to take such a oath all imply he's Dick
Riiiight lol idk why ppl assumed it was Tim
@@ShaneFullerYT because those people are just dumb way too dumb and honestly it's so pathetic
You can tell if you don’t watch Teen Titans you don’t know it is but if you do, you know it’s Dick Grayson
It fills me with rage when people furiously declare that he is Tim
Its Dick Grayson they basically confirm it when Larry shows up in season 2 and his name is Dick Grayson spelled backwards and confimred to be a Robin from an alternate reality.
but to prove it more in the comics they have a story about how Robin was depressed on the anniversery of his parent's death and he still has a poster of the flying Grayson's in his room
The Robin is clearly Dick, it’s just another instance where a cartoon gives him Tim’s original costume and his staff.
It's obvious dude is Dick Grayson.
Nevermind that. Raven in Robin's tights was always a core memory for me. Animators knew what they were doing.
I like how teen titans uses deathstroke's real name as his identity. Humanizes him more.
they just couldn't have the character's name include "death" on a kids show
In my mind. Richard John "Dick" Grayson will always will be the One Only True Robin.
He’s outgrown robin and now is his own hero as nightwing
your mind is wrong
"You grew up with the MCU I grew up with the DCAU, we are not the same"🤣😂 Vee that was gold and I agree 💯
do you know were i can find all seasons of teh dc teen titans from the 2000s
Thank you for putting the spongebob bit in there to explain it. lol
That episode with Robin's tiny version popping out from him head revealed his name backwards as Dick Grayson when he introduced himself, the name was also pretty hard to make out and read because the reveal of Robin's identity wasn't supposed to be revealed to us, or at least that's what it looked like to me growing up
"The mask stays" ~ Robin's Qoute from an episode of the Original Teen Titans cartoon where he goes on a Training trip
It was made real obivious that it was Dick Grayson. NIghtwing as his future, considering Batman his father. Larry's name. The Flying Grayson's are consistently talked about. And there is a as now post show canon comic series that pretty much has an issue dealing with the anniversary of the flying grayson's death.
Thank you for solving this mystery. We were all wondering
Thank you. It helps me sleep better at night to know, there is a video out there that proves my points.
Funnily enough, even with Dick being Robin, many still make the case that "Teen Titans" is part of the DCAU, just as a prequel to everything else. This seemed to be the thought process of Timm and Murakami after making Robin Dick Grayson, with the biggest evidence for this being the aged-up model of "TT" Speedy that showed up in the "JLU" episode "Patriot Act." It is also worth noting that Speedy, here, shares his "TT" voice actor, as well, and would be aged similarly to Robin, who by "JLU" had grown into Nightwing. Interviews with DCAU creatives have even cited that there were talks/ideas about crossing over "JLU" and "TT," but they could never figure out the best way how, likely due to "Teen Titans" only working as a prequel to even B:TAS. All this being said, it now seems nearly impossible for this line of thinking to be the case, given Deathstroke's introduction to the DCAU proper in "Batman: The Adventures Continue" tie-in comic series. There are also a number of comparatively more minor continuity errors such as the Titans encountering the Gordanians (in the episode "Go!"), that the League seemed unfamiliar with in "Starcrossed" and Wally's appearances as Kid Flash in "TT," even though he seemed to only receive his speed older in "JL," albeit him still being voiced by Michael Rosenbaum and there being a Kid Flash costume in the Flash Museum in "JLU." So, yeah (🤷♂️). I would have said there's still an argument to be made up until "The Adventures Continue," but I think now it is more likely either a part of the canon of "The Batman" or just its own thing, even if the initial intent was for it to fit into the DCAU. Hope this helps sort out some of the confusion.
This was so close to being a perfect comment in the sea of misinformation that constantly surrounds the topic of Teen Titans' continuity. Where you drop the ball is first that TT could only work as a prequel to BTAS when it could in fact just as well (and most naturally and much more logically, if you ask me) fit between BTAS and TNBA, second that the FLAGRANTLY NON-CANON tie-in comic Batman: The Adventures Continues could have any relevance whatsoever (and in fact, even if we were to count it, so far there hasn't been anything to contradict TT necessarily, speaking from having read everything up to the Christmas special, and in fact they seem to lift Deathstroke's motivations directly from how he is depicted in TT, with wanting to make a mentor out of Batman's sidekicks and all), and third that the Gordanians or Kid Flash's apparent age must be described as continuity errors when the Gordanian invasion in TT was limited only to a single city in the US and so would have no reason to be discussed by everyone years later and the DCAU's art style in depicting teens always looks more mature than TT's style anyway (see Terry in Batman Beyond). TT is DCAU canon.
@@ninjagamer1359
Thanks for the compliment and you certainly raise a lot of good points! Back in the day, I assumed (as you state) that "TT" took place between "B:TAS" and "TNBA," as it seems to most account for Robin's feelings towards Batman and statement about now working alone (in "Go!"). This all seems to be in line with what we see go down in "Old Wounds" except for the fact that, in that episode, Nightwing states, "I never put on that costume again." This was said in reference to his Robin suit, which, if we're being technical about it, isn't identical to the one seen in "Teen Titans" (i.e. the all green pants, steel-toed shoes, different belts, shorter cape, etc.); but I feel the overriding implication in that line read is that it was the last time he was ever Robin. So, that's why I stated it would instead only really work as a prequel to even B:TAS.
Now, in terms of the other of my points that you mentioned I largely agree with you, as there is an argument to be made that neither of them are really deal-breakers. I just felt obliged to play devil's advocate and at least mention them, as I knew someone would point out those "discrepancies" if I didn't. It's true the Gordanians in "Go!" didn't make too much of a crisis that the world would have to be aware of them prior to "Starcrossed." The only bit there that's a bit suspect is the fact that Robin has the personal connection to Batman. So you'd think at least Batman would've known about them prior to that episode. However, they weren't on the best of terms for a bit before "JL," so it's possible they never came up in conversation.
You, also, make a good point about the different artstyles' depictions of teenagers in that teens like Terry, Virgil, and Richie all appear larger than do those in "Teen Titans." That being said, whether set before or after "B:TAS," Speedy I think is intentionally "aged up" for his appearance in "JLU," as it's still later in the timeline from either point, but I do think that could be a good way to explain away the flashback in "The Brave and the Bold" and could make the placement of "TT" a bit more fluid.
The issue of "The Adventures Continue" is a complicated one, though, as while it should, for many reasons, be considered "flagrantly" not canon (I mean, seriously, in the 2nd "Christmas Special" TNBA Mr. Freeze is sitting in his cell...WITH HIS BODY), the issue is that the official word from DC/WB is that it is canon. This is made worse by the fact that it's written by Dini and Burnett, whose work usually trumps most others' in terms of DCAU continuity, even Murakami (who is no slouch himself, in pecking order). Now, in terms of what about it contradicts "TT," I still think their inclusion of Deathstroke (not "Slade," either) is an issue that, like with the line from "Old Wounds," doesn't for sure rule "TT" out, but the implies as much. I agree that "B:TAC" Deathstroke seems to act similarly to Slade (seeking out apprentices and all), but the main issue is that (whether TT is set before or after B:TAS) you'd think Dick would have told the Bat-Family about Slade, far more so than he need tell them of the Gordanians that he fought like once. Granted, again, it's maybe not a total deal-breaker, as Nightwing (TT Robin ) at no point appears in the issues involving Deathstroke, but still. Also, the whole way he is depicted as a maybe heroic bounty hunter type doesn't really jive with the history that should exist of him from "Teen Titans," wherein he was almost certainly a known supervillain; I mean the dude took over Jump City at one point (see "Aftershock, Part 2"). So, yeah, maybe if Dick showed up he'd have flipped and been all, "Yo, that's Slade!," but, even without his telling them, there should be a history on him at that point that Batman should've been able to dig up. Thereby, I think the biggest thing going against "TT" fitting in the DCAU is that comic, which wouldn't be the only beloved quasi-canon bit of DCAU lore getting paved over by it; just look at what it does to "Batman: Gotham Adventures, Vol. 2!" So, I guess we'll see how that comic is regarded in the years to come, once its finished. Sure an animated venture asserting "TT" is canon would pretty much trump it, in terms of canonicity, but, again, it being penned by Dini and Burnett makes it have some sway. I guess time will tell. Anyways, great discussion; I'd be curious to hear any of your possible solutions for/rebuttals to any of the issues I raised here. Cheers!
@@andrewcozzini8259 It's just refreshing to see someone who actually knows what they're talking about on this subject, rather than just regurgitating the same old uninformed assumptions as foregone conclusions that TT can't be in the DCAU at all, so thanks for contributing something real to this discussion!
Yes the Robinsuit is really one of the only strong potential problems in my mind. That and Kid Flash's vibrating through walls when JLU establishes that Wally doesn't do that to avoid making things explode. But I don't think either of those issues are any bigger than STAS' reference to Wonder Woman (which could retroactively be chalked up to WW being known about as a kind of urban legend due to her time traveling to WWII), Barbara Gordon's being in college again in Mystery of the Batwoman (which can just be explained as graduate school), or especially Static Shock's acknowledgement of Superman's identity (which is just an irreparable continuity error made due to the lack of clear intent early in the show's production to be part of the DCAU, which is a similar situation to TT's, to be honest). The Robinsuit, as you mentioned could be alternatively explained by the fact that the designs are different from BTAS to TT (though it does admittedly weaken what was probably the intent of the line - however, I would say it is still not without weight, if one interprets the new suit and all the new gadgets and such that Dick starts using as a deliberate move on his part toward independence and establishing his own identity apart from Batman, even without losing the Robin motif), and KF vibrating I think one could probably argue gives the basis for how Wally would have found out it can make things blow up in the first place, maybe it just didn't do it every single time.
I mean the Gordanians even seem largely forgotten in TT itself (considering the origin episode was made after everything else, that is unsurprising), so I really don't think I'd expect any sort of reference to that within the context of the JL episodes in question, though to be fair it has been a while since I watched those JL episodes, so I should probably give it a rewatch, too.
WB/DC seems to assume all DCAU tie-in material is canon, but that rarely means anything. Of course all the tie-in comics and such are written from the perspective of being part of the DCAU, but if the primary DCAU does not reciprocate that assumption, it wont be, truly. You must remember the countless comics to come before TAC which all purport to be in the DCAU and which frequently feature writing by the likes of even Paul Dini and Bruce Timm, but which nonetheless are all universally disregarded in the animations themselves, per Timm's rule about comics continuity. I don't see why this series should be any different, especially considering how wildly it messes with the canon all the time lol.
Yeah Watchtower Database gratefully debunked Teen Titans ever fitting in the the DCAU.
@@joeker5208 If only it were that simple, lol. Watchtower Database can't "confirm" anything. I'm so tired of WDb stans just taking everything they think or say as gospel. They make entertaining and informative videos, for sure, but they are often riddled with errors and biases, too, just like anyone else, and their jumped conclusions about TT are certainly no exception.
The one it always is since 92's BTAS. Dick Grayson with Tim Drake's cool costume. How can people watch a show (or with regards to other characters read a comic) and not notice these things? There were dozens of references. Larry's real name is Nosyargkcid. Next thing you know, the whole "god metaphor" that is used to describe Superman will be taken literally...oh frak, it is. Proves my point. People do not notice things. That is you have to hit them over the head and scream it at them. Don't believe me? Watch or read something subtle with people and they won't know anything that is happening. The continuity was bridged with 7 Soldiers of Victory episode of JLU.
Awesome video!
It’s Dick. His relationship to Starfire and the fact that he he becomes Knightwing makes that pretty clear
I would have loved to see Loran Lester return as the voice of Knightwing for a true DCAU Teen Titans series. We never truly got closure for the DCAU Bat Family, especially if you watch Batman Beyond. No, the DCAU comics don't count.
Batman and Harley Quinn is a DCAU canon movie and had Dick Grayson as Nightwing
As a big Tim Drake fan I never for a second thought the Titans Go Robin was anyone but Grayson.
That Robin in the thumbnail to the upper right just brought back memories I had an action figure if that Robin I can’t remember which show he is from though
11:14 That Toy Story thing has me rolling...
There was never a confusion with me as a kid. Lots of things that could connect it to being Tim being this Robin. But nope Teen Titans Robin was always Dick Grayson, and no one else.
I loved the original teen titans as a kid growing up still watch it from time to time today as a adult
Love those type of videos
Bro, that cut away to toy story that wasn’t flying that was falling with style. That shit killed me bro that was perfect.😂
The easiest wayt o know that the Robin in Teen Titans is Dick Grayson is by watching the episode when Starfire goes into the future and meets Nightwing, which only Dick Grayson becomes later on. That's it.
The watchtower database did an amazing video that clarified this a while ago
True
this is why i love the early 2000 of cartoons because sometime animated series is connected somehow.
I Grew Up In Watching Dc And Marvel Shows. daredevil,Iron Man Animated Series,Spectacular Spiderman,Iron Man,Avengers This Was The Marvel Shows And Movies I Enjoy And For Dc Was Darknight,Justice League,Batman Beyond The Return Of The Joker,Man Of Steel And Teen Titans.
Salute For People Who Grew Up In Both Marvel And Dc
Loved the video.
Scott menville has also Damien at one point in a Lego dc series. I think he’s just a preferable pick to voice him.
I did at a time thought BTAS was connected to the TT or The Batman base on the clothing but I never thought it was Tim because how many times they show his identity and I remember people thought the tough robin in TTG was tim as well but that's pretty obvious it's Jason since he's the toughest robin there was
8:33 what app did he search that on,
The most confusing aspect of Teen Titans Robin is he doesn't act like Dick Grayson. It's like they meld Jason Todd and Time Drake and made that Robin.
you’re on a role so far this year!
I always found it very weird how:
1. The Teen Titans only ever refer to each other by their superhero names.
2. None of them seem to have ANY non super powered friends.
3. Despite being teenagers, none of them ever do normal teenager things like going to school.
Victor’s a cyborg who’s self conscious about how he looks. Garfield is literally green. Kori is an alien. Raven going to school is troublesome due to her being an empath. The only one with no real excuse is Dick.
@@dagothurik1815 are you saying it's illegal for green people to go to school? What happened to Brown v. Board?
If the Teen Titans can't go to regular school, they would obviously be required to complete some sort of homeschooling, which I feel like would probably come up.
@@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770 To address the green thing: the boy is an obvious distraction without considering his personality. As for homeschooling there isn’t much for them to gain from it. Raven could learn the collective knowledge of humanity by way of magic. Kori seems to have a decent grasp of mathematics and learned English by kissing someone. Victor’s always able to access the internet. Dick may have been put on an accelerated course by Bruce. Who’s going to force Garfield to do schoolwork?
@Will N I never saw them working jobs.
@@dagothurik1815 well, you see, in the United States of America, some form of education is required by law for all people under 18.
the end of the video with Patrick was funny ash, loved that
3:05 this was the only reason I thought the two shows were connected. I think when I first watched that episode teen titans played right after, too.
BUT I at the time didn't realize that batmans Robin in static shock was a second Robin, 9 year old me thought there was only one Robin anyway
I always thought it was dick Grayson from "the batman" 2003 show just older and on his own
Same.
Well technically in a Teen Titans tie in comic, Batman does show up and it’s the same design as of “The Batman” . Tie in Comics are usually shakey which it comes to canonicity so it’s possible it is or isn’t.
@@itstrevel tbh that could've been the new universe since that show had batman meet other heros like Martian manhunter, flash, green lantern and superman plus his design was similar to that look so I assumed those universes were connected
@@itstrevel The tie-in comics just used existing designs for all the characters. When Beast Boy mentions the Justice League, they're all in their Unlimited season 1-2 designs.
@@AussieDragoon yeah that’s why I said the canon is shakey.
I'll be honest, I actually don't mind Barbara and Jason. I've actually never been a fan of Dick and Barbara as a pairing in any continuity where Starfire is an option since I think Dick and Kori work better as a couple. And it sure as hell works better than Jason and Kori that Red Hood and the Outlaws was teasing early on. Of all the Bat pairings that are forced on Barbara (ironically making her "Batgirl" in more ways that just her cowl shape) it's probably the one I object to the least.
But more Teen Titans stuff would be fun so: Robin is not a Tim, He's a Dick.
The Jason and Barbara thing is weird not as weird as Bruce and Barbara but it's still weird
@@Yedolf-0638 i rather have jason with no kindergarten Women with him because 99% they'll act like Jackass
He’s clearly Dick Grayson. They do a time travel episode where he’s Nightwing! What made people think he was Tim Drake? I’m genuinely interested
Five seconds into the video and I'm just thinking to myself
"..... But this Robin turns into Nightwing. How are people forgetting this?"
It is 100% Richard Grayson, the first person to become Robin
Let's see if my comment vanishes now
Maybe
It'd honestly just make a lot more sense if the Robin from the Teen Titans was the same one from Dick Grayson in the DCAU. Could easily just be what Grayson did after he left Batman. For a long time I thought Teen Titans was part of the DCAU as it came out a little after and since much of DC does is often DCAU based
I think that Robin was an adult when he left Batman
@@SuperSteph5 He was even in college in several episodes. TT can't exist in the DCAU, but it's fun to think about.
This is awesome and hilarious
How did people think this was Tim? He was portrayed becoming nightwing
And the Robin batmite kinda sealed the deal,
But thank you for all the meta crossover like voice acting and games I wasn't aware of. That just makes it a much more solid fact.
The only thing they're all going off was literally the staff... batman and Robin use gadgets and weapons over the years, just cuz the animators probably found it was easiest to animate a staff out of the weapons.
the suit also looked like tim
Grayson also uses a Bo staff. his batons turn into a bo staff if put together.
Never knew this was an issue. I mean teen titans even pokes fun at this with red X being hinted at being tim Drake
I think you mean jason? red hood? I have never seen red x be poked at as tim drake lol
@@youwhat098 it was in some of the tiny references here and there. Jason Todd possibly as well but it's been 10 years or so since I've seen teen Titans
I don't know why but I always just assumed it was like an amalgamation between Dick Grayson and Tim Drake mainly because he uses the staff which I always associate with Tim Drake plus I want to say Tim Drake the leader of the Titans in the comics around this time I could be wrong along with him becoming Nightwing and the fact they've done this sort of combining characters before like how they combined Jason and Tim in the Animated Series see I always thought it was kind of an amalgamation of the two
Tim was leading Young Justice at the time while Dick lead "Titans" but the staff is really the only non-dick thing about him in the cartoon.
@@Frogman1212 I thought the staff was a general robin weapon
@@Frogman1212 And the tech skills. And the non-stop seriousness. And the suit.
@@campbellsoup93 you show how much half knowledge you posses and how it is so dangerous . dick Grayson when first adopted by bruce was a joyful and happy kid later staying with him and fighting crime because serious and also kind of lifeless and depressed because bruce slowly started to become more obsessed with missions and became distant and forgot to give him comfort and affection which he previously used to did which started to hurt dick and then he also joined teen titans and became their and found friendship and comfort in them and again Started to lively and joy after some years when he become 17 he returned to gotham and was in relationship with barbara ( Batgirl) and again worked with batman he was upset and angry about batman becoming more distant and uncaring day by day and and also bruce not informing him about barbara being Batgirl one day he had enough of him and left and met Superman and became nightwing after becoming nightwing for some years he worked again with bats, Barbara and Tim and after that he again became the leaders of Titans and started dating star slept with her so on...and then became spy and then trained terry the batman beyond at his old age and young justice is not canon.
@@campbellsoup93 the dick Grayson of present became what he is due to all this experiences he is serious most of the time but also makes jokes and likes to connect with other people and be in their company unlike bruce who like to live and spend time alone. He is also favourite of clark and the most favourite son of Bruce but he is not best Robin that is tim but he is best son in the batfamily .
Grew up with the DCAU as well.
Back in the day I didn’t know there were multiple robins so I never questioned who it was. It wasn’t until I was 11 when I started reading DC did find out there were multiple.
Well, I grew up with both seriously what got me into superheroes was Teen Titans and after that I started watching all the animated dc stuff
9:52 that's actually Artemis of Bana-mighdall, not Barbara. I just wanted to let that be known because I don't want anyone to think that's actually Batgirl/Barbara in that comic/panel.
That's a good question. Let's find out
The voice of robin from teen titans is also in avatar the last air bender 😅
Also where can i watch og teen titans at?
@@emiliomartinez7573on hbo max
It was an episode where starfire went in the future and met robin as nightwing
Ah, Teen Titans content by Vee Infuso; ya' love to see it! And here we have the age old mystery of "Teen Titans" and its association (or lack thereof) to the DCAU. Okay, so my theory on the whole thing is that (as you suggest) the Robin in "TT" was originally thought, by the creators, to be the DCAU's Tim Drake. This I think was the case for the 1st season, as there were no indications as to his identity in that season. However, it seemed like as soon as season 2 started, the creators just decided to make Robin definitively Dick Grayson in an effort to match the iconic lineup from the 80s "New Teen Titans" comic, on which the series was most inspired. It seemed, at that point, Murakami and co. were more interested in making the best decision for the show, itself, rather than the one that would best gel with the larger DCAU.
As much as I love Vee's content I gotta admit this video was kind of silly, and like I don't want to put him down for the confusion cause I'm not gonna act like I wasn't at first, but it's pretty clear like you said that Teen Titans Robin is Dick Grayson, and every other Robin is just from different universes, and they really don't look the same in terms of design, idk i mean vee no disrespect i just feel like its really obvious that these Robins aren't the same especially if a video game just happens to have teen titans robins voice, I'm surprised he didn't bring up that the actual Speedy from Teen Titans showed up in an Justice league unlimited episode, now that was confusing lol
Although it was great seeing Speedy again.
Robin using a staff exclusively being Tim Drake doesn’t really apply if you want to look at the Injustice 2 game where they have the Staff of Grayson that is used by Damian Wayne. I get that’s not really much but it is an example that a staff being used by Robin doesn’t mean it has to be Tim Drake.
not disagreeing here just wanted to mention that injustice 2 has a lot of references to the 2003 teen titans show so maybe that why the staff is called that. Starfire’s moves are all named after phrases she uses in the show, not to mention that the interior of the teen titans tower that is shown in her DLC is exactly the same as the one in the tv show.
Not even just Injustice 2, but there's literally instances in almost every continuity where each Robin (except for Carrie Kelly) have used a staff while in the Robin uniform. So the idea that using one is unique to Tim is kinda absurd.
I think I remember an episode of one of the shows in the background on a shelf there’s an urn with “Robin #2” on it
It’s Dick Grayson, people are idiotic
There are valid reasons why people get it mistaken but it clearly is Dick Grayson
Nice breakdown. I knew that the Robin on the Teen Titans series was Dick Grayson (or at least that’s what they settled on). As you pointed out, that wasn’t immediately clear to even the DCAU showrunners (i.e. the Static Shock references to Tim Drake being in a group called the Titans). But I simply assume that the Titans do exist offscreen in the DCAU continuity, and in that continuity, that Robin is actually is Tim Drake. But alas, in the separate Teen Titans continuity, he’s not a Tim. He’s a Dick.
I didn't mind watching the lore but I couldn't help myself by saying "you could've started with that!" When you mention the literal comic at the end.
I needed this
It’s Dick Grayson
I thought it was pretty obvious that the Robin in Teen Titans was Dick Grayson. There was no way it could be Jason, Tim, or Damian or anyone else unless they retconned it for whatever reason.
Now for as which version of Grayson it could be, I think it could work both ways. Could be Dick from Batman TAS or from The Batman. Personally, in my head cannon I like to think that both Teen Titans and The Batman take place in the same universe. We see Grayson’s early years with Batman and Batgirl, then eventually goes off to form the Titans.
Well Damian gets ruled out immediately cause he didn’t exist at the time so (nvm I’m wrong, about when Damian was born.)
@@StoryArtsConcepts You were not wrong. Damian didn't exist at the time. He wasn't introduced until 2006. 3 years after the show premiered.
I mean, in a world that wanna make sense, your head cannon should be spot on but…
Bruh all these people have to do is watch the episode when starfire came to the future…. It was pretty obvious that bruh was dick Grayson by the fact that he was nightwing, years after starfire disappeared.
I never got confused because i grow up watching the dceu movies and a bit of teen Titans go
The Teen titans show could be in the dcau and tim just joins a later version of the team
2:25 no offense dude, but one is wearing Green Pants and the other is wearing Full Body Red Spandex with Black Underwear and Black Short Sleeves. Even the Animated series uses the exact same Green Pants design for Dick Grayson. (So uh, I looked back at DG Robin from BTAS and he has a red torso piece that connects to his crotch separating his green legs, needless to say this is an L) To me it looks like the Teen Titans artist picked the Popular Dick Grayson costume at the time and gave him Slicked Backwards Spiky hair. Tim Drake Robin Btas has Forward Leaning Hair and Bangs. If anything you have just made the argument that all Robins have similar designs, Boy with Hair and Reddish costume. With that logic you are not allowed to come to my Mortal Kombat Ninja Themed Birthday Party!
Personally, reading the new teen Titans comic it seemed to me like Robin and Raven had a far deeper connection so I’m not sure why they went the way they did. Other than the writers being influenced by message board shipping, Robin and Starfire seemed far more casual as opposed to meaningful if you get my understanding.
You mean to tell me its not Stephanie Brown? Thats the biggest shock of all!
Whoa buddy. How about adding a SPOILER alert ?
Honestly, I didn't know there were multiple Robins for a long time because I only knew Teen titans, I never got into super hero movies or shows other than Teen Titans and also Miraculous Ladybug. So I was working on a fanfic and wanted to know what Robin's last name would be considered, I didn't know he had a completely different name all together as Dick Grayson. So I looked into it more and more and have come to love this character more and more. I always loved Teen Titans' Robin, he's always been my favorite, but I love the family dynamic in Wayne Family Adventures comic on Webtoon. And I keep working on my Teen Titans fanfic and with all the extra material at my disposal, I hope to make a good fic!
Honestly, even though TTG Robin is supposed to be Dick, he acts the most like Damien so I kinda headcannon that he is Damien
Damian had a murder boner at first, and I'd related to the league. How is this guy anything like that? He also never used a staff or fell in love with starfire.
@@brandob9858 idk it's more the immature and arrogant nature from the TTG version of Robin than anything surrounding the character. And I'm saying the TTG version, not the original Teen Titans Robin.
@@brandob9858 and that's why I said I headcannon it, and not that I believe it is the case.