This really helped me grasp the polyrhythm by ear/counting it and the muscle memory for this piece, I found your explanation was a much more thorough way to do this than "just keep doing it slowly til the muscle memory kicks in". I found your way helps me to feel much more in control of keeping count. Thanks so much for sharing, your video helped me pick up this piece again after ditching it for a month due to the polyrhythm throwing me off as a self learner.
same, i had real trouble with the polyrythms in this piece, i could do them slowly but when i increase the tempo everything gets messy. I didn't know how to practice my polyrhythms until i found this video, which helped me a big deal in actually get my polyrhythms into order
Well this is sooooo good. Really so much love for this video. I had the exact problem and no one talked about it, I could easily play it slowly but when I would go faster sometimes I would play it good but I had like no feeling of ''control'' and as you said I couldn't hear much rythm in it. Thank you so much for this! :)
I have a student working on this right now. I had him do a similar exercise, but flipped, playing the left hand as is, but playing the aligning right hand notes, then adding them beat by beat. It worked nicely.
Cant listen to enough of these tutorials! High End piano playing is new to me. I like your explanations alot as well as the clear and comprehensible sound!
Super cool, I learned this nearly 20 years ago and have tried pretty much every one of the practice methods mentioned, they all helped with various aspects. Hardest thing for me was the left hand staying within the beat, it likes to rush. Lots of going back to basics during practice sessions. Love this piece though, it sure is satisfying indeed.
I also did what he came up with, no pedal and only bass/overlapping notes on the left hand. eventually, very quickly actually, I added the other two to fill the gap, but kept them unpronounceable while all emphasis on every third. I have never counted or trying to recreate the polyrhythm - it just happened by itself when left hand filled the gaps.
I learned the piece this exact same way, one time 3 notes at the left hand and the other time 4 notes at the right hand, then I alternated both hand until I got the polyrhythm, then exactly like you said, it came naturally. I would have never did it by using math, I was certain it would come the way you explained, it came after a few days then many years later I can still play the piece without doing any wrong notes.
thanks SO much! Ill try this. My problem (can play all the notes in both hands slowly) is that my left hand wants to go into the rhythm ta - tata ta - tata instead of even tatata trioles, hopefully this helps, great educational video, thanks!
For years, I have tried analyzing it slowly the hard way but could never get it up to speed. This has truly been a light-bulb moment. Thank you very much for posting. Now if only I could apply this same technique to the second half of Stravinsky's Etude Op. 7 No. 2 for the 6:5 polyrhythm.
consolation no 3 is a great piece to start having some plyrhytms it helped me learn the 3/2 polyrhytm and isn't too difficult only the polyrhym is the challenge
@@matthewvarney6214I once forgot how to play Liebestraume no 3(bc of Covid), and I just let muscle memory guide me and didn’t even think about it, it actually turned out pretty well lol
Very good ideas here. I have been a pianist all of my life and am now approaching this piece. Your ideas are sound. I was supposed to work on the Chopin Scherzo in c sharp minor with my teacher, but never got around to it. I was swamped with repertoire at that point. Do you have any tips on putting together the middle section with the descending notes in both hands? I find it difficult to execute this section smoothly and softly. Thanks!!!!! Also, you play beautifully and so lyrically.
in drums, the 3:4 polyrhythm's saying is Pass the goddamn butter, instead of where did you work today. pass the goddamn butter is easier to remember because the accent on the words match the accent on the polyrhythm, Pass, God, But. whereas "where did you work today" sounds wrong because the accent on the saying is Where, You, To. whereas the accents on the words should be Where, Work, Day
@@davew786 if you actually play the rhythm, then you will find that it is a lot more useful to accent the triplet instead of the quads. even in the video, he naturally accents the triplet
Fantastic explanation here! The "ta tata ta" really helps. This piece (as with any difficult piece) for me, is going to be practiced VERY slowly until I can get it to speed and more importantly, being able to distinguish the notes and not a blur! I really enjoyed Daniil Trifonov’s version even after hearing Horowitz! (Gasp!)Trifonov is amazing. Here he is and thx for this. it really helps. ruclips.net/video/Gy5UHK4EeM8/видео.htmlsi=0b5ApYC6LK0OL7qC
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This really helped me grasp the polyrhythm by ear/counting it and the muscle memory for this piece, I found your explanation was a much more thorough way to do this than "just keep doing it slowly til the muscle memory kicks in". I found your way helps me to feel much more in control of keeping count. Thanks so much for sharing, your video helped me pick up this piece again after ditching it for a month due to the polyrhythm throwing me off as a self learner.
Glad it helped!
same, i had real trouble with the polyrythms in this piece, i could do them slowly but when i increase the tempo everything gets messy. I didn't know how to practice my polyrhythms until i found this video, which helped me a big deal in actually get my polyrhythms into order
Such an eloquent way to explain the process of learning!
Thank you!
Well this is sooooo good. Really so much love for this video. I had the exact problem and no one talked about it, I could easily play it slowly but when I would go faster sometimes I would play it good but I had like no feeling of ''control'' and as you said I couldn't hear much rythm in it. Thank you so much for this! :)
I have the same trouble! Do I just need to keep playing it again and again?
I have a student working on this right now. I had him do a similar exercise, but flipped, playing the left hand as is, but playing the aligning right hand notes, then adding them beat by beat. It worked nicely.
Cant listen to enough of these tutorials! High End piano playing is new to me. I like your explanations alot as well as the clear and comprehensible sound!
Two minutes in and I just had a lightbulb moment!! can’t wait to listen to the rest later today thank you so much!!!
Super cool, I learned this nearly 20 years ago and have tried pretty much every one of the practice methods mentioned, they all helped with various aspects. Hardest thing for me was the left hand staying within the beat, it likes to rush. Lots of going back to basics during practice sessions. Love this piece though, it sure is satisfying indeed.
I haven’t even finished your video and I completely and utterly respect you! Thank you for your amazing personality! This helped lots.
I have finally managed to do it! Brilliant way to explain this polyrhythm. Thank you.
Finally a good video on this. Time to learn this piece :)
Love this video and thanks for spreading the knowledge. I just started this piece today I’m so excited.
So beautifully explained. Feel confident I can master this! Many thanks
Another good tip for learning the polyrhythm
A wonderful lesson from a wonderful teacher ! Thx a lot !
first time on your channel. 2 minutes into watching ur video and im already your subscriber. thanks!
I also did what he came up with, no pedal and only bass/overlapping notes on the left hand. eventually, very quickly actually, I added the other two to fill the gap, but kept them unpronounceable while all emphasis on every third. I have never counted or trying to recreate the polyrhythm - it just happened by itself when left hand filled the gaps.
I learned the piece this exact same way, one time 3 notes at the left hand and the other time 4 notes at the right hand, then I alternated both hand until I got the polyrhythm, then exactly like you said, it came naturally. I would have never did it by using math, I was certain it would come the way you explained, it came after a few days then many years later I can still play the piece without doing any wrong notes.
THIS MAKES SO MUCH SENSE I can't wait to try this. I kept just playing both hands slow and trying to get up to speed but without much luck!
My God this is genius, i spent hours trying to figure it out and in 10 minutes using this i got out down haha.
I'm going to try your suggestions.
thanks SO much! Ill try this.
My problem (can play all the notes in both hands slowly) is that my left hand wants to go into the rhythm ta - tata ta - tata instead of even tatata trioles, hopefully this helps, great educational video, thanks!
For years, I have tried analyzing it slowly the hard way but could never get it up to speed. This has truly been a light-bulb moment. Thank you very much for posting. Now if only I could apply this same technique to the second half of Stravinsky's Etude Op. 7 No. 2 for the 6:5 polyrhythm.
Thank you for your feedback and we're really pleased that you found this video helpful!
I'm not playing this piece or any Chopin piece any time soon, but still great video and itll be helpful for me in the future!
consolation no 3 is a great piece to start having some plyrhytms it helped me learn the 3/2 polyrhytm and isn't too difficult only the polyrhym is the challenge
This is so helpful, thank you so much! Really great way to look at it
WOW! Thanks so much! That never occurred to me. I'll try this. Regards.
this was so helpful.. thank you!
You are a great teacher.
Excellent video! Thank you so much!
Glad it was helpful!
I find the slow section difficult because of the ornaments, most videos discuss how to play the fast part
This helped me a lot learning this piece.
Woah! This absolutely helped! Thank you so much!
I saw a post about polyrhythm and had no idea what it was so searched up on RUclips and found this video about the piece Im learning right now lol
Lol you must have been so confused
This video helped me SO much. Thank you
Thank you very much, teacher.
I learnt the whole thing, then did grade 7, grade 8 and ARSM, and now I've forgotten how to do it 😭
That happens a lot. Sucks
Just practice it, maybe go over the notes again and play and I'm sure it'll all come back because of muscle memory!!
Oh no
@@RUclipsiscoolandgreat it's the polyrhythms, I've forgotten the pattern!
@@matthewvarney6214I once forgot how to play Liebestraume no 3(bc of Covid), and I just let muscle memory guide me and didn’t even think about it, it actually turned out pretty well lol
Love this video.... so helpful!
Very good tips-Thanks!
This is excellent!
Eu só precisaria da primeira pagina marcada nessa divisão digo se vc tivesse posto ela para visualiar
brilliant this helped me so much!
Thanks a lot 🎶 🎹 !
Thank you so much! This really helps
This helped SOO MUCH thank you
You are a TEACHER!!!! Grüße aus Deutschland
Very good ideas here. I have been a pianist all of my life and am now approaching this piece. Your ideas are sound. I was supposed to work on the Chopin Scherzo in c sharp minor with my teacher, but never got around to it. I was swamped with repertoire at that point. Do you have any tips on putting together the middle section with the descending notes in both hands? I find it difficult to execute this section smoothly and softly. Thanks!!!!! Also, you play beautifully and so lyrically.
I alway fall off my Bicycle, esp when I play the Piano ! Thank you, I was just looking to see how other Musicians approach 4:3 :)
in drums, the 3:4 polyrhythm's saying is Pass the goddamn butter, instead of where did you work today. pass the goddamn butter is easier to remember because the accent on the words match the accent on the polyrhythm, Pass, God, But. whereas "where did you work today" sounds wrong because the accent on the saying is Where, You, To. whereas the accents on the words should be Where, Work, Day
Isn’t “where did you work today” emphasising the 4 beats, (where, did, work, day) rather than the 3 beats
@@davew786 if you actually play the rhythm, then you will find that it is a lot more useful to accent the triplet instead of the quads. even in the video, he naturally accents the triplet
Fantasie Impromptu isn't the only piece in 3:4 time though, this difficulty will be there for any waltz piece correct?
This piece has a really asonishing similarity to Czerny's quite unknown study op. 755/22. Is this an coincidence? I don't think so......
That took me forever to get when I learned this 9 years ago.
Hi. Great job. Do you drink tea?
thanks bruh bruh
I like peanut butter also works!! i llike pe nut but tr!
2:40
2:01 no pun intended of course :)
Excellent
I made a midi file to practice the correct tempo 3/4 in synthesia drive.google.com/drive/folders/12_eLwZrXkjf7a5fZmVd3S_doCZJPdSzQ
Fantastic explanation here! The "ta tata ta" really helps. This piece (as with any difficult piece) for me, is going to be practiced VERY slowly until I can get it to speed and more importantly, being able to distinguish the notes and not a blur! I really enjoyed Daniil Trifonov’s version even after hearing Horowitz! (Gasp!)Trifonov is amazing. Here he is and thx for this. it really helps. ruclips.net/video/Gy5UHK4EeM8/видео.htmlsi=0b5ApYC6LK0OL7qC
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"manage" is not spelled "Mange" :-) haha
I would never take the shortcut of faking that polyrythm. Sorry.