I’m using the ‘Leitz’ logo version of the M6, and all I can say is that I’m loving it. No matter the weather, it still holds really good after these years. Sometimes, but really just some times I can find myself in the viewfinder problem that you’ve pointed out.
#3: Agree, the patch flare is the biggest culprit on my black M6, too. It should have been a Leica recall since Leica started cutting cost there and put parts in which simply didn't work out fine in the viewfinder. But it never happened, so you have to find your workarounds or go with a M7 for example where this issue rarely ever occurs. To release the stuck focus after the issue occurred on the M6, I shake a bit my camera and it goes back to normal. I also cut some polarized foil from a 3D glass and taped it with Scotch tape carefully on the borders of the foil onto the middle patch window. It will darken a bit the frame lines but reduces the patch flare > 50%. #4: I believe there is something wrong with your camera how it uses power from the battery. I use my battery for 3 years now without any issue or even replacement needed in the M6! Likely you have some internal shortage in the wiring somewhere - you should send the camera in (at a third party Leica camera repair mechanic, not Leica itself!) for a CLA and checkup.
Robin, I shoot the m6 for almost 2 years now. And the major thing that annoys me most if the VF flare. My workaround is to rotate the camera by 90 degrees in order to focus. I hope this helps....
On my old M6 I was looking to upgrade the finder to the MP version and I was quoted under $400 from 3 different repairs shops in the US. Don't think it's worth doing on its own, but if I was sending it in for CLA tacking on that upgrade is probably worth it.
I find the M6 too slow for street photography unless zone focus. My light meter battery lasts years although I do not use it as much as you. I am surprised that yours runs down in a couple of days. I try to keep mine in bulb mode when not using to deactivate the meter. Looking forward to the next video And thanks for the signed zine of Cairo.
I don't know if you already solved the problem. But for the problem no 1, the tripod mount, get a cheap hand grip from e-bay, the one which only cover half of the the plate. They have the mount on the one edge, but when you installed it, the mount will be exactly in the middle.
I did the MP finder upgrade on my M6 when I had to send my camera in for a CLA. And it made the viewfinder sooo much better. But then the camera came back with light leaks and it just became a whole issue that was really frustrating if sending my camera back and forth trying to get the problem fixed. Not to mention that I ruined shots because I didn’t expect there to be a light leak and took the camera on a trip to Hong Kong right away.
hey did you send this to Leica? I was thinking about sending it to them for this upgrade. would you mind sharing how much all that cost you the first time around?
Daniel Anez I sent it to Sherry Krauter. I think it was just a fluke. But it still was quite the struggle as I live outside the U.S. It was extremely frustrating.
Nice Video. At least one Problem can be fixed very easily. Take a look at the Leica M Grip with the part number 14405. The grip is mounted on the original tripod mount, but the tripod mount in the grip is centred with the lens axis. Leica Parts are never cheap, but you can find these grips used on eBay for less than 100€.
I think there was / is something from Voightlander that does a similar job with the tripod-bush. And didn't they make a double coldshoe bar that went in the hotshoe?
I agree with everything you said about the M6. Sorry about your battery drain. I don't have that problem. Have you considered the Leica grip attachment for better hold and the center position of the tripod connection?
I had the same concern with the shutter dial on my MP but I’ve learned to change it fairly easily with only my index finger. Try and practice and you should get it (considering it’s the same as my MP).
1. The tripod mount, I can see how that would be a problem for some people. 2. I don’t use my tripod much, if ever with my M, so for me, not an issue. 3. The shutter speed dial, I use an M2 as well, so it’s nice having a dial that spins the same direction. The size doesn’t bother me much, but I have known it to feel a little stiff when my fingers are cold. If it really bugs you, have you considered just getting a TTL version? 4. Battery.. I’ve had the same batteries in my M6 for probably close to two years. I shoot a few rolls per month. I think you should get that looked at. 5. Viewfinder flare. When I got a cla a few months back, Sherry Krauter did the MP upgrade for me. I think it was around $350. Well worth it. That 1000 euros must be Leica official prices? Or is it just more expensive in Europe? The only things I don’t like about the M6 is the leatherette gets slippery. I realize there are grips available, but I don’t want one on my M. I never really thought about it that much until I got my M2 which grips like sandpaper... hah. Also, this could be fixed with a different viewfinder magnification, but I can’t see the 28mm framelines at all because I wear glasses. My workaround is to use an external voigtlander viewfinder, which I can see. It’s not ideal, but it works.
The price for the viewfinder upgrade was a rough estimate from a Leica Shop. Even for let's say 400 Euros I wouldn't do it, simply to justify the purchase of a MP at some point in the future. 😂
There is only one thing I don't like about all M cameras, the close focus distance for lenses. It's incredibly hard to do portraits up close but it's the perfect camera for street and documentary photography.
Yes, it's not ideal but it's the same thing with pretty much all rangefinders. If close up shots would be a priority than I would look into something else.
It is perfectly posible to use a 90mm for portraits, and for portrait distances the depth of field for 90mm @ f4 is pretty much the same as 50mm @ f1,4.
what's your recommendation for avoiding condensation in the wintertime when going back inside? just leave it in the camera bag for a few hours to warm up slowly?
Have you ever considered an m5? I have an m6 and M2 and the quality difference between the 2 is quite real. I’ve read the m5 is perhaps the best actual shooter in leica land and would likely solve some of your issues regarding the shutter dial and rangefinder patch. I have to send my m6 in for service because the film counter is jammed and the meter is off by a stop. I may sell it and get the m5 after the m6 comes back. We shall see.
Was looking into an M5 a while back but it's a little to bulky and also heavier than other M bodies. If you don't mind that, then it's a very good option. 👌
I suspect battery-drain is because the electronics on the meter pcb are failing. On my M6 it (I use one CR1/3N cell in place of the two silver-oxide) lasts a very long time, to the point where I change it from caution rather than need. However, the camera had a major service before I bought it and i think the pcb was replaced with a new one. You are certainly not the first person to have the battery problem. I'm fortunate to also have an M3, supposedly with a similar viewfinder / rangefinder assembly to the MP, and any differences between the two seem quite rare. it's possible that I have got to automatically tilting the M6 without realising though. As you say, it's not a 'deal-breaker'.
Hello Sir, Many thanks for sharing your experience as a pro photog with the Leica M6. I have a black M6 (not TTL) which I bought for a (very) good price. Before hand, I had bought a silver TTL version which was "like new" condition. OK: why buy a second one ? Well, mainly because I felt the black was just a bit more stealthy and also because beeing far less expensive, I could really bring it with me everywhere and not be too much worried about possible re-sale value. I ended up putting my TTL silver version for sale and got a very very good price for it. So as far as money goes: I'm happy. I used the difference to indulge in a fine (and new) Voigtlander 50mm f1.2 which combined with an old Voitlander 28mm f1.9 completes my street photo kit (but I do own a perfectly functionnal and recently CLA'd Leica M3 on which I leave more or less all the time a Voigtlander 40mm f1.4 which I can't seem to part from since I've owned it for longer than either M6's ) Although I'm in no way shape or form a pro photog, I have something to say which I don't like very much about the M6 non TTL version: the shutter speed does not turn in a logical way as to the leds of the light meter (the TTL version turns in a logical way: if the arrow points to the left, use your index to turn the shutter dial to the left and you'll get a correct exposure). Beeing used to no light meter with the M3, it is not that much of a big deal but I thought it might be interesting for a buyer to note that difference... Appart from that, I have yet to encounter focusing issues and never using a flash have no problem there either. I have yet to try a Leica MP to know if the huge price difference is really worth it but I must say I like my M6 very much (although a bigger shutter dial AND more logical rotation direction would make me even happier). Thank you again for youre insights. I have still to have my first batch of Silbersalz35 to get processed (they'll actually be on their way tomorrow) but thanks for that advice in earlier video as well. :)
I've had some lightleaks happen to me, which bother me a lot, the Rangefinder flares aren't great too. At the beginning I thought I'd resent the close focus limitations, but since I never shoot that close it's not an issue. But overall I just love the camera and what it has done to me and the images I've shot with it. I just have to keep fishing my wallet out of the air since it's constantly being drained.
Great video, Robin. To the point. Very cool to see some constructive criticism about one of your favorites. Nice about the flash-speed too! Wasn't expecting that. This week was a lot of fun, man. Hope we can shoot some more next year! Safe travels to us all, hahaha.
Maybe that last discovery is a sign that your shutter speeds aren’t accurate? Have you tested combinations without flash lately? Just a thought. Nice video as always.
Just FYI for anyone unfamiliar with the Leica M range, the earlier models, M3, M2, M4, M4-P, M4-2, don't have the rangefinder patch flare, although there are other potential things to dislike like the rewind crank & loading mechanism on M3 and M2, and of course no meter in the body. Then there's the M5 which people love or hate in different ways.
i have an M6. i don't like the film advance lever has a moving plastic tab. i like the MP lever like yours. i'm being picky. pretty much a perfect camera.
The only thing that really is a pity in my opinion is the small shutter dial (pre TTL). I agree that it is sometimes hard to use. All other things that you mention don't really bother me. I own two M6 and neither of them have the battery drain that you describe. You should get it checked out. The battery lasts for a long time usually.
I have a older model silver M6... one with the Leitz branding on it before they changed everything to “Leica” and I haven’t any of the battery issues you’ve experienced. I wonder if there’s a fault in the battery port that’s draining your batteries even when not in use.
some SOLUTIONS: tripod mount: just use the Hand Grip and the u get a mount in the middle ( jeffmellody.com/blog/2014/9/5/leica-m6-grip) Viewfinder flare: just add a color transparency on the little focusing window ( ibb.co/9VCKc30 and ruclips.net/video/szedyNB49DE/видео.html ) Battery: I personally use no built in meter. I go by the sunny 16 rule or an external one BUT I used to have the same problem and it turned out to be for the following reason: when u have ur M6 in your bag and the button touches the inside of the bag the battery runs out cause it is working all the time. BUT if you do not advance your film to the next frame the camera is actually then OFF and you don' t have this problem anymore. I hope you find it all useful www.flickr.com/photos/antonispizzios/ instagram.com/apitsios/
The problem I have with my M6 is some M lenses just cannot be mounted it; two examples are Leica 28m f2.8 ASPH bought new last year and Leica 35mm f2 7 elements from the 80s. Turned halfway and encountered too much resistance. These two lenses have no problem mounting on other M bodies like my MP, M4, or M240. The same M6 can take other Leica lenses like 90mm f2, 50mm f2 and 35m f1.4 without any problem. Strange but true.
Strange thing about the batter. I have the black ttl and put a new battery back in January. Still working. I do hate the flares on the focus patch. That’s my one issue with it.
Why do you have a Leica m3 film advance lever on your Leica m6? Did you upgrade it or is that even possible? Because I would prefer to have an m3 advance on an m6
It's a straight replacement, unscrew the old one and put on a new one. I've seen guys on ebay selling custom tooled ones that look the same as Leica's for a fraction of the price.
The M6 TTL 0.85 is a better option ( or the M7 with electronic double curtain shutter and more specs ), but for the price and image quality you have to consider the Contax G2 with Zeiss T* AF lenses.
The M7 is not an option for me, without batteries it becomes almost useless. If it would me significantly cheaper than the M6 sure, but not for even more money. But that's just me. 👍
Im contemplating buying an M9 or M10, shall i make the jump and buy digital as il get more use out of it compared to my M6? Im also considering buying the Fuji xpro2. Can anyone recommend what i do please? Any advice will do. What are the differences between M9 and M10.....
josh vick I think it depends what your glass investment is in regards to the Fuji. If you have thousands in glass, the m10 makes sense. If not, I would grab the xpro2. It’s a fantastic camera. I bought an MP-240 to shoot hybrid with an M2 or m6 with a digital companion, however when I just grab a digital it’s often the xpro2. The 16mm 2.8 and 35mm f2 (Or the mitakon 35mm 0.95 for portraits or extreme low light) are generally what I’m out with. Both lenses go for 400 or less...both small, weather sealed, and lightning fast AF. I DO have the official M to X mount if I want to use my leica glass on it (that’s what my original use was) but honestly the Fuji glass and Kit is fantastic. Film sims are HIGHLY customizable to the point where I often am shooting Jpg only. With the xpro3 coming out soon the xpro2 should go on deep discount.
Bit late now, but anyway; Try to hire the Leica's for a few days first and see which works best for you. It's all personal preference. Thorsten Overgaard has a thorough breakdown on the M9. Also has a RUclips channel. www.overgaard.dk/leica-M9-digital-rangefinder-camera.html Basic differences between M9 and M10: M9 is a thicker body, not great at higher ISO, but some people love the CCD sensor look. M10 body size is closer to film Ms, better ISO, more mega pixels etc. Can add an EVF in the hot shoe. Advantage of the X-Pro2 would probably be lower price, option to use the EVF, and film simulations if you'd rather just shoot jpegs and straight out of camera, rather than RAW.
Here are the top three things I do not like about my M6: 1. Tripod socket location (however, I rarely use my M6 on a tripod) 2. Removable bottom plate (my old Nikon F also had a removable bottom plate that I did not like) 3. My 90mm f/2 lens does not close-focus enough for my taste (unable to take head & shoulder shots of people sitting across the table from me)
Mostly same thoughts, but I have no problems with battery, because Ihave m4-p =D Most annoying is the patch of course, but this problem is not too often
Yes, the shutter speed dial is not optimal. Strange because the M5 has a dial that’s bigger and can be comfortably turned with the thumb. That’s why I prefer the M5.
I personally have no problem turning the shutter speed dial with one finger and my batteries last for months. I've also never experienced viewfinder flare. I don't use flash, so I can't really comment. Cheers.
I was reading from another fella that the M6 that says "Leitz" and not "Leica" on the red dot is the true M6, and even if the battery dies the camera is totally functional. But those are also rare. I've seen a couple on eBay.
Damn. I thought I was getting disillusioned because my battery only last like for a month. And every forum people’s saying that theirs lasts for months, year. Could be the battery circuit or something. In some forums I saw that the m6 non-ttl lasts for more than 100 rolls. I only get about 6/7 rolls and every time I shoot a frame I don’t wind the film. Nice video bro!!
I don't own any Leica. I do own a couple of old rangefinder cameras, but no Leica; those are simply too expensive for me and I can't justify the cost. Until I win the lottery that is 😁 There's something weird about those cameras from late 70's and early 80's; Olympus OM3 & OM4, alongside OM2sp (which I own) are suffering from substantial battery drainage. In less than a week in the camera no matter what I do batteries are pretty much gone. Something what later models (OM3Ti & OM4Ti) corrected. By the way, you should really try at least one of those latter models. I guess you'd very much like OM3 and OM3Ti, since those are completely mechanic, apart from the light meter and self timer...
@@cfagil If you need to be quiet, and the batteries run out in cold conditions, it will be a big con for you. And the money you saved won't make the camera function differently. Being dependent on electronics that are nearly 20 years old to wind the film is a weakness. www.cameraquest.com/konicam.htm CameraQuest will tell you the VF isn't as bright as an M6, and neither are the framelines. Not to mention that your eye has to be perfectly centred in the VF for the RF patch to be accurate. I've read the same on 35mmc and JCH. JCH also talks about how the lower magnification doesn't help focus accuracy, and neither does the shorter effective base length. However, do enjoy your camera.
I bought a secondhand M6 two months after I made the above feedback a year ago. Still standby what I said. I bought my M6 partly for fun(a GAS synonym) and partly as an insurance/investment. So far the increase in value of the M6 has covered more than the risk of my Konica's total electronic failure. Given the same lens, film and photographer, both cameras produce exactly the same level of image quality. By the way, my favourite Leica is still my 1938 Leica IIIa; what a piece of engineering marvel. Bring a big smile to my face everytime when I shoot with it. A guess a good camera is the one you love to shoot with regardless of its many shortcomings. In the case of a IIIa, no autofocus, pain to load a film, no meter, dim separate viewfinder and rangefinder, a fixed 50mm frameline, what else have I missed? I still love it regardless.
pretty much all the things you said. One that applies to all rangefinders is the parallax. If anyone is trying to do meticulous compositions lining up things in the foreground with the background you are going to have a bad time.
oh yeah and I don't have any issues with batteries. Maybe check to see if you are leaving your shutter button pressed when you put it away and put it in a bag.
No, the shutter button is not pressed when stored. There are reports from other people with similar issues and like I said in the video my black M6 is not effected.
I had a silver M6 and did not experience the battery drainage probems you have at all. Something must be off in the lightmeter circutry. Things I didn't like: * Film advance lever tip and ocular are plastic. Yuck! * Expensive. * Light meter indicator is too distracting. * Cluttered viewfinder I've upgraded to the m2 which was half the price and am much happier :)
Your camera is screwed up, get it fixed. I change the battery in my m6 about every couple of years even if I don’t switch it off by going to B. If you want to move the tripod socket get the accessory grip (I have the M-Grip by GMP products) both the Leica and the GMP move the socket to the center. The MP finder is the way to go and it’s not €1000, I had mine done for $300 when they first offered it years ago a friend of mine just got it done and I don’t believe that he paid more than $500, try getting the conversion from leica USA maybe it will be less (while it’s there you can get your meter fixed). Flash?? On an M6??? Use something else, preferably with a leaf shutter perhaps a Rollie or a Yashica Mat.
I dislike the way the film loads.Today I went to the photo leave the film for development and noticed that I took shots one month in vain, the film was not loaded… I use it for 3 years and this is the second time I had this problem.
No camera is perfect! My M3 is the best! small shutter dial is OK. The viewfinder accurate as a SLR! Loading on removable spool is most secure. M6 viewfinder lines are lousy. Way more in photo.. Tripod hole can never be Centre unless one adds a grip. I love the grip. All said and one bought new in 2000, so 21 years old.. It was expensive but how many digital models have come and gone, including Leica. RF flare is easy to adjust. Mask one window. With all it's faults it's still the best camera for my needs.
Why are you complaining about a 2 decades-old camera? Reminds me of an old cartoon "And those were the news headlines - we'll be back in a few minutes to blow it all out of proportion". I have an M3 and it doesn't have a meter waaahhh! Perhaps I should get an M6? Oh wait weird place for tripod mount still waaahhh! Enough Mr Grumpy.
He's giving people consumer advice because this camera is still popular second hand, so there are always new potential owners of any film M. He already made a video about what he loves about his M6.
The only problem I have with my Leica M6 is that it is not existing.
There is only one fix for it, get one asap! 😁👍
I’m using the ‘Leitz’ logo version of the M6, and all I can say is that I’m loving it. No matter the weather, it still holds really good after these years. Sometimes, but really just some times I can find myself in the viewfinder problem that you’ve pointed out.
#3: Agree, the patch flare is the biggest culprit on my black M6, too. It should have been a Leica recall since Leica started cutting cost there and put parts in which simply didn't work out fine in the viewfinder. But it never happened, so you have to find your workarounds or go with a M7 for example where this issue rarely ever occurs. To release the stuck focus after the issue occurred on the M6, I shake a bit my camera and it goes back to normal. I also cut some polarized foil from a 3D glass and taped it with Scotch tape carefully on the borders of the foil onto the middle patch window. It will darken a bit the frame lines but reduces the patch flare > 50%. #4: I believe there is something wrong with your camera how it uses power from the battery. I use my battery for 3 years now without any issue or even replacement needed in the M6! Likely you have some internal shortage in the wiring somewhere - you should send the camera in (at a third party Leica camera repair mechanic, not Leica itself!) for a CLA and checkup.
Robin, I shoot the m6 for almost 2 years now. And the major thing that annoys me most if the VF flare. My workaround is to rotate the camera by 90 degrees in order to focus. I hope this helps....
Yeah, there are a couple of ways to deal with that. Most of the time I am zone focusing and then it doesn't matter at all.
On my old M6 I was looking to upgrade the finder to the MP version and I was quoted under $400 from 3 different repairs shops in the US. Don't think it's worth doing on its own, but if I was sending it in for CLA tacking on that upgrade is probably worth it.
Do you prefer M6 TTL or MP and which colour mp?
I find the M6 too slow for street photography unless zone focus. My light meter battery lasts years although I do not use it as much as you. I am surprised that yours runs down in a couple of days. I try to keep mine in bulb mode when not using to deactivate the meter. Looking forward to the next video And thanks for the signed zine of Cairo.
I don't know if you already solved the problem.
But for the problem no 1, the tripod mount, get a cheap hand grip from e-bay, the one which only cover half of the the plate.
They have the mount on the one edge, but when you installed it, the mount will be exactly in the middle.
I did the MP finder upgrade on my M6 when I had to send my camera in for a CLA. And it made the viewfinder sooo much better. But then the camera came back with light leaks and it just became a whole issue that was really frustrating if sending my camera back and forth trying to get the problem fixed. Not to mention that I ruined shots because I didn’t expect there to be a light leak and took the camera on a trip to Hong Kong right away.
That's annoying if an upgrade to the camera is introducing issues. 😣
hey did you send this to Leica? I was thinking about sending it to them for this upgrade. would you mind sharing how much all that cost you the first time around?
Daniel Anez I sent it to Sherry Krauter. I think it was just a fluke. But it still was quite the struggle as I live outside the U.S. It was extremely frustrating.
Nice Video. At least one Problem can be fixed very easily. Take a look at the Leica M Grip with the part number 14405. The grip is mounted on the original tripod mount, but the tripod mount in the grip is centred with the lens axis. Leica Parts are never cheap, but you can find these grips used on eBay for less than 100€.
Alexander Kirsch done the same thing.
That might be something to look into, thank you! ✌️
I think there was / is something from Voightlander that does a similar job with the tripod-bush. And didn't they make a double coldshoe bar that went in the hotshoe?
I agree with everything you said about the M6. Sorry about your battery drain. I don't have that problem. Have you considered the Leica grip attachment for better hold and the center position of the tripod connection?
I had the same concern with the shutter dial on my MP but I’ve learned to change it fairly easily with only my index finger. Try and practice and you should get it (considering it’s the same as my MP).
1. The tripod mount, I can see how that would be a problem for some people. 2. I don’t use my tripod much, if ever with my M, so for me, not an issue. 3. The shutter speed dial, I use an M2 as well, so it’s nice having a dial that spins the same direction. The size doesn’t bother me much, but I have known it to feel a little stiff when my fingers are cold. If it really bugs you, have you considered just getting a TTL version? 4. Battery.. I’ve had the same batteries in my M6 for probably close to two years. I shoot a few rolls per month. I think you should get that looked at. 5. Viewfinder flare. When I got a cla a few months back, Sherry Krauter did the MP upgrade for me. I think it was around $350. Well worth it. That 1000 euros must be Leica official prices? Or is it just more expensive in Europe?
The only things I don’t like about the M6 is the leatherette gets slippery. I realize there are grips available, but I don’t want one on my M. I never really thought about it that much until I got my M2 which grips like sandpaper... hah. Also, this could be fixed with a different viewfinder magnification, but I can’t see the 28mm framelines at all because I wear glasses. My workaround is to use an external voigtlander viewfinder, which I can see. It’s not ideal, but it works.
The price for the viewfinder upgrade was a rough estimate from a Leica Shop. Even for let's say 400 Euros I wouldn't do it, simply to justify the purchase of a MP at some point in the future. 😂
There is only one thing I don't like about all M cameras, the close focus distance for lenses. It's incredibly hard to do portraits up close but it's the perfect camera for street and documentary photography.
Yes, it's not ideal but it's the same thing with pretty much all rangefinders. If close up shots would be a priority than I would look into something else.
It is perfectly posible to use a 90mm for portraits, and for portrait distances the depth of field for 90mm @ f4 is pretty much the same as 50mm @ f1,4.
what's your recommendation for avoiding condensation in the wintertime when going back inside? just leave it in the camera bag for a few hours to warm up slowly?
I almost never shoot in cold conditions. 😅
Have you ever considered an m5? I have an m6 and M2 and the quality difference between the 2 is quite real. I’ve read the m5 is perhaps the best actual shooter in leica land and would likely solve some of your issues regarding the shutter dial and rangefinder patch. I have to send my m6 in for service because the film counter is jammed and the meter is off by a stop. I may sell it and get the m5 after the m6 comes back. We shall see.
Nicholas Thornley-Chan I think a lot of photographers already know, but most want the classic M body regardless.
Was looking into an M5 a while back but it's a little to bulky and also heavier than other M bodies. If you don't mind that, then it's a very good option. 👌
I suspect battery-drain is because the electronics on the meter pcb are failing. On my M6 it (I use one CR1/3N cell in place of the two silver-oxide) lasts a very long time, to the point where I change it from caution rather than need. However, the camera had a major service before I bought it and i think the pcb was replaced with a new one. You are certainly not the first person to have the battery problem. I'm fortunate to also have an M3, supposedly with a similar viewfinder / rangefinder assembly to the MP, and any differences between the two seem quite rare. it's possible that I have got to automatically tilting the M6 without realising though. As you say, it's not a 'deal-breaker'.
Agree with the patch flaring problem.
Hello Sir, Many thanks for sharing your experience as a pro photog with the Leica M6. I have a black M6 (not TTL) which I bought for a (very) good price. Before hand, I had bought a silver TTL version which was "like new" condition. OK: why buy a second one ? Well, mainly because I felt the black was just a bit more stealthy and also because beeing far less expensive, I could really bring it with me everywhere and not be too much worried about possible re-sale value. I ended up putting my TTL silver version for sale and got a very very good price for it. So as far as money goes: I'm happy. I used the difference to indulge in a fine (and new) Voigtlander 50mm f1.2 which combined with an old Voitlander 28mm f1.9 completes my street photo kit (but I do own a perfectly functionnal and recently CLA'd Leica M3 on which I leave more or less all the time a Voigtlander 40mm f1.4 which I can't seem to part from since I've owned it for longer than either M6's ) Although I'm in no way shape or form a pro photog, I have something to say which I don't like very much about the M6 non TTL version: the shutter speed does not turn in a logical way as to the leds of the light meter (the TTL version turns in a logical way: if the arrow points to the left, use your index to turn the shutter dial to the left and you'll get a correct exposure). Beeing used to no light meter with the M3, it is not that much of a big deal but I thought it might be interesting for a buyer to note that difference... Appart from that, I have yet to encounter focusing issues and never using a flash have no problem there either. I have yet to try a Leica MP to know if the huge price difference is really worth it but I must say I like my M6 very much (although a bigger shutter dial AND more logical rotation direction would make me even happier). Thank you again for youre insights. I have still to have my first batch of Silbersalz35 to get processed (they'll actually be on their way tomorrow) but thanks for that advice in earlier video as well. :)
I've had some lightleaks happen to me, which bother me a lot, the Rangefinder flares aren't great too. At the beginning I thought I'd resent the close focus limitations, but since I never shoot that close it's not an issue. But overall I just love the camera and what it has done to me and the images I've shot with it. I just have to keep fishing my wallet out of the air since it's constantly being drained.
Great video, Robin. To the point. Very cool to see some constructive criticism about one of your favorites.
Nice about the flash-speed too! Wasn't expecting that.
This week was a lot of fun, man. Hope we can shoot some more next year! Safe travels to us all, hahaha.
Thank you very much Ivan. Had a great time in Korea! Yeah, have a safe flight back home! See ya next year!! 👏
Yes the flash thing surprised me too. I will finiish off a roll with a flash test of my own soon! Interesting . . .
Maybe that last discovery is a sign that your shutter speeds aren’t accurate? Have you tested combinations without flash lately? Just a thought. Nice video as always.
The shutter speeds should be alright, had them adjusted earlier this year.
Just FYI for anyone unfamiliar with the Leica M range, the earlier models, M3, M2, M4, M4-P, M4-2, don't have the rangefinder patch flare, although there are other potential things to dislike like the rewind crank & loading mechanism on M3 and M2, and of course no meter in the body. Then there's the M5 which people love or hate in different ways.
i have an M6. i don't like the film advance lever has a moving plastic tab. i like the MP lever like yours. i'm being picky. pretty much a perfect camera.
The only thing that really is a pity in my opinion is the small shutter dial (pre TTL). I agree that it is sometimes hard to use. All other things that you mention don't really bother me. I own two M6 and neither of them have the battery drain that you describe. You should get it checked out. The battery lasts for a long time usually.
I have a older model silver M6... one with the Leitz branding on it before they changed everything to “Leica” and I haven’t any of the battery issues you’ve experienced. I wonder if there’s a fault in the battery port that’s draining your batteries even when not in use.
It's very likely a technical issue since my black M6 has no problems and both are pretty much the same age.
some SOLUTIONS:
tripod mount: just use the Hand Grip and the u get a mount in the middle ( jeffmellody.com/blog/2014/9/5/leica-m6-grip)
Viewfinder flare: just add a color transparency on the little focusing window ( ibb.co/9VCKc30 and ruclips.net/video/szedyNB49DE/видео.html )
Battery: I personally use no built in meter. I go by the sunny 16 rule or an external one BUT I used to have the same problem and it turned out to be for the following reason: when u have ur M6 in your bag and the button touches the inside of the bag the battery runs out cause it is working all the time. BUT if you do not advance your film to the next frame the camera is actually then OFF and you don' t have this problem anymore.
I hope you find it all useful
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very much appreciated your tips. best regards from Leica country
The problem I have with my M6 is some M lenses just cannot be mounted it; two examples are Leica 28m f2.8 ASPH bought new last year and Leica 35mm f2 7 elements from the 80s. Turned halfway and encountered too much resistance. These two lenses have no problem mounting on other M bodies like my MP, M4, or M240. The same M6 can take other Leica lenses like 90mm f2, 50mm f2 and 35m f1.4 without any problem. Strange but true.
Strange thing about the batter. I have the black ttl and put a new battery back in January. Still working. I do hate the flares on the focus patch. That’s my one issue with it.
Why do you have a Leica m3 film advance lever on your Leica m6? Did you upgrade it or is that even possible? Because I would prefer to have an m3 advance on an m6
It's a straight replacement, unscrew the old one and put on a new one. I've seen guys on ebay selling custom tooled ones that look the same as Leica's for a fraction of the price.
Oh ok thank you 🙏🏻
As already mentioned, you can easily replace the level. It's well worth it! 👌
Phew! Some excuses for not buying one. I'll have to manage with my film Nikons.
Mark Keohane Nikon f2 is the best camera ever
The M6 TTL 0.85 is a better option ( or the M7 with electronic double curtain shutter and more specs ), but for the price and image quality you have to consider the Contax G2 with Zeiss T* AF lenses.
The M7 is not an option for me, without batteries it becomes almost useless. If it would me significantly cheaper than the M6 sure, but not for even more money. But that's just me. 👍
Im contemplating buying an M9 or M10, shall i make the jump and buy digital as il get more use out of it compared to my M6? Im also considering buying the Fuji xpro2. Can anyone recommend what i do please? Any advice will do. What are the differences between M9 and M10.....
josh vick I think it depends what your glass investment is in regards to the Fuji. If you have thousands in glass, the m10 makes sense. If not, I would grab the xpro2. It’s a fantastic camera. I bought an MP-240 to shoot hybrid with an M2 or m6 with a digital companion, however when I just grab a digital it’s often the xpro2. The 16mm 2.8 and 35mm f2 (Or the mitakon 35mm 0.95 for portraits or extreme low light) are generally what I’m out with. Both lenses go for 400 or less...both small, weather sealed, and lightning fast AF. I DO have the official M to X mount if I want to use my leica glass on it (that’s what my original use was) but honestly the Fuji glass and Kit is fantastic. Film sims are HIGHLY customizable to the point where I often am shooting Jpg only. With the xpro3 coming out soon the xpro2 should go on deep discount.
An X-Pro1 could also be worth considering if you'll mostly be manual focusing with adapted lenses. It's a goldie, the Pro1.
Bit late now, but anyway;
Try to hire the Leica's for a few days first and see which works best for you. It's all personal preference.
Thorsten Overgaard has a thorough breakdown on the M9. Also has a RUclips channel.
www.overgaard.dk/leica-M9-digital-rangefinder-camera.html
Basic differences between M9 and M10:
M9 is a thicker body, not great at higher ISO, but some people love the CCD sensor look.
M10 body size is closer to film Ms, better ISO, more mega pixels etc. Can add an EVF in the hot shoe.
Advantage of the X-Pro2 would probably be lower price, option to use the EVF, and film simulations if you'd rather just shoot jpegs and straight out of camera, rather than RAW.
Here are the top three things I do not like about my M6:
1. Tripod socket location (however, I rarely use my M6 on a tripod)
2. Removable bottom plate (my old Nikon F also had a removable bottom plate that I did not like)
3. My 90mm f/2 lens does not close-focus enough for my taste (unable to take head & shoulder shots of people sitting across the table from me)
Voightlander Bessa R cameras are quite awesome!
They are nice but I would rather go for a Zeiss Icon as an alternative for a Leica M bodie.
GRATE CONTENT... which profile do you use in sony a?
HLG
Mostly same thoughts, but I have no problems with battery, because Ihave m4-p =D Most annoying is the patch of course, but this problem is not too often
Yes, the shutter speed dial is not optimal. Strange because the M5 has a dial that’s bigger and can be comfortably turned with the thumb. That’s why I prefer the M5.
I personally have no problem turning the shutter speed dial with one finger and my batteries last for months. I've also never experienced viewfinder flare. I don't use flash, so I can't really comment. Cheers.
I was reading from another fella that the M6 that says "Leitz" and not "Leica" on the red dot is the true M6, and even if the battery dies the camera is totally functional. But those are also rare. I've seen a couple on eBay.
Jose A De Leon all m6’s function without battery.. also the ones with the ‘Leica’ dot
The rangefinder issue exists for many rangefinder camera. Not Leica m6 specific.
I totally agree. Probably, this is why you said you like Nikon FM2.
i left the shutter cocked and that drained my battery. didnt realise it kept the light meter going
Damn. I thought I was getting disillusioned because my battery only last like for a month. And every forum people’s saying that theirs lasts for months, year. Could be the battery circuit or something. In some forums I saw that the m6 non-ttl lasts for more than 100 rolls. I only get about 6/7 rolls and every time I shoot a frame I don’t wind the film. Nice video bro!!
Yeah, some M6 bodies seem to have a similar problem. My black one has the same battery since half a year and I shot it a lot.
Mate I hope you did not pay for that model ! I have my MP with me, so your can have a try with that to see if the viewfinder is any better.
Is that an M3 film advance lever on you M6?
Yes!
Thanks. A few things there I didn't realize! Great to know!
PS Like the humour "professional model" :-)
Thank you Michael!
I don't own any Leica. I do own a couple of old rangefinder cameras, but no Leica; those are simply too expensive for me and I can't justify the cost. Until I win the lottery that is 😁
There's something weird about those cameras from late 70's and early 80's; Olympus OM3 & OM4, alongside OM2sp (which I own) are suffering from substantial battery drainage. In less than a week in the camera no matter what I do batteries are pretty much gone. Something what later models (OM3Ti & OM4Ti) corrected. By the way, you should really try at least one of those latter models. I guess you'd very much like OM3 and OM3Ti, since those are completely mechanic, apart from the light meter and self timer...
The corrosion of the zinc top plate makes the M6 Fugly
That’s really strange about the battery. Myself and a bunch of friends who own M6s never have a problem. My battery lasts for months and months!?
I agree about the focus patch though!
Like I said, it's only a problem on one of my M6 bodies.
I bought a Konica Hexar RF instead of a M6; 1/3 of the price and more than twice the functionality.
But with motor wind noise and battery dependent. Every camera has pros and cons
@@Ruylopez778Those two attributes you mentioned are not cons to me at all. The inflated price of a M6 is a definitely a big con to me.
@@cfagil If you need to be quiet, and the batteries run out in cold conditions, it will be a big con for you. And the money you saved won't make the camera function differently.
Being dependent on electronics that are nearly 20 years old to wind the film is a weakness.
www.cameraquest.com/konicam.htm
CameraQuest will tell you the VF isn't as bright as an M6, and neither are the framelines. Not to mention that your eye has to be perfectly centred in the VF for the RF patch to be accurate.
I've read the same on 35mmc and JCH.
JCH also talks about how the lower magnification doesn't help focus accuracy, and neither does the shorter effective base length.
However, do enjoy your camera.
I bought a secondhand M6 two months after I made the above feedback a year ago. Still standby what I said. I bought my M6 partly for fun(a GAS synonym) and partly as an insurance/investment. So far the increase in value of the M6 has covered more than the risk of my Konica's total electronic failure. Given the same lens, film and photographer, both cameras produce exactly the same level of image quality. By the way, my favourite Leica is still my 1938 Leica IIIa; what a piece of engineering marvel. Bring a big smile to my face everytime when I shoot with it. A guess a good camera is the one you love to shoot with regardless of its many shortcomings. In the case of a IIIa, no autofocus, pain to load a film, no meter, dim separate viewfinder and rangefinder, a fixed 50mm frameline, what else have I missed? I still love it regardless.
Just bought a classic in black, no bad points from my POV.
pretty much all the things you said. One that applies to all rangefinders is the parallax. If anyone is trying to do meticulous compositions lining up things in the foreground with the background you are going to have a bad time.
oh yeah and I don't have any issues with batteries. Maybe check to see if you are leaving your shutter button pressed when you put it away and put it in a bag.
No, the shutter button is not pressed when stored. There are reports from other people with similar issues and like I said in the video my black M6 is not effected.
YOU CAN ALWAYS SALE YOUR LIECA M6 AND GO THE M8 OR EVEN THE M10
I had a silver M6 and did not experience the battery drainage probems you have at all. Something must be off in the lightmeter circutry.
Things I didn't like:
* Film advance lever tip and ocular are plastic. Yuck!
* Expensive.
* Light meter indicator is too distracting.
* Cluttered viewfinder
I've upgraded to the m2 which was half the price and am much happier :)
Your camera is screwed up, get it fixed. I change the battery in my m6 about every couple of years even if I don’t switch it off by going to B. If you want to move the tripod socket get the accessory grip (I have the M-Grip by GMP products) both the Leica and the GMP move the socket to the center. The MP finder is the way to go and it’s not €1000, I had mine done for $300 when they first offered it years ago a friend of mine just got it done and I don’t believe that he paid more than $500, try getting the conversion from leica USA maybe it will be less (while it’s there you can get your meter fixed).
Flash?? On an M6??? Use something else, preferably with a leaf shutter perhaps a Rollie or a Yashica Mat.
It's not screwed up, it works like a charm. I don't have a battery in both of my M6s because I don't use the light meter at all.
@@therealsirrobin get rid of that m6 and go for an m4-p. at least you will have an all brass camera
My battery lasted forever. Set to bulb when not using
I think you've made my mind up for me..
I don't like the way it loads film. Probably my fault or issue with my camera but I've had problems with film not spooling correctly.
Loading film on an M film camera is very simple and straight forward, I prefer it over other approaches.
I dislike the way the film loads.Today I went to the photo leave the film for development and noticed that I took shots one month in vain, the film was not loaded… I use it for 3 years and this is the second time I had this problem.
The leica m5 is the way to go
@Nicholas Thornley-Chan i think it s the best camera lzica ever made
Welcome to my city.
Have you tried the Leica M4?
It doesn't have 28mm frame lines and that's my main focal length. If it would be 35mm than the M4 would a great option.
No camera is perfect! My M3 is the best! small shutter dial is OK. The viewfinder accurate as a SLR! Loading on removable spool is most secure. M6 viewfinder lines are lousy. Way more in photo.. Tripod hole can never be Centre unless one adds a grip. I love the grip. All said and one bought new in 2000, so 21 years old.. It was expensive but how many digital models have come and gone, including Leica. RF flare is easy to adjust. Mask one window. With all it's faults it's still the best camera for my needs.
the only problem wiht the leica M6 its that its too cheap! >:(
they should raise the price to something reasonable like 35,000$
Who is they?
Light meter can be a bit better
I have the Leica mp!:-)
Lucky you! 👌
@@therealsirrobin Thanks! ;-)
welcome to seoul dude
Had a great time there!
Headphones warning! I am now deaf.
Get a Canon P Rangefinder:)
Not an option. 😉
My battery last more than a year.
Things I hate about the Leica m6:
*its not a Nikon fm3a*
(Robin, your 28 zine is very nice!)
Thank you very much! 🙂👌
Why are you complaining about a 2 decades-old camera? Reminds me of an old cartoon "And those were the news headlines - we'll be back in a few minutes to blow it all out of proportion". I have an M3 and it doesn't have a meter waaahhh! Perhaps I should get an M6? Oh wait weird place for tripod mount still waaahhh! Enough Mr Grumpy.
He's giving people consumer advice because this camera is still popular second hand, so there are always new potential owners of any film M. He already made a video about what he loves about his M6.
Leica MP is king
Get an M5 dude
i'm glad I went with the Leica MP.
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No! 😋