U sometimes make me so angry that I end up hating you..but you always have a way of making me to forgive you without asking for forgiveness..what a good advice I'll pass the message to my BLF brothers and sisters 🤞🤞
In that book called the bible Proverb chapter 22 verse 7 it says "the rich shall rule over the poor" as long our people are on the consumption side of the economy and grooving all weekend and think the land will fall from the sky like manna. We shall remain landless. You are correct Pen the land reclaim should begin with self development.
Penuel wears all black, calls himself the black pen yet takes the opportunity to grandstand black consciousness activists... The irony of it all. Black hunger in SA is one hell of a case study
There were no black ppl before white colonizers came here. Black is not a colour of the brown ppl of Africa. I wear black because it is the colour of chimpanzees and I call myself The Black Pen because that is what I use to write books, music & draw artworks.
Uyabhuda mfana struu 🤞🏽how do you buy what is yours ? Nina as friends of white people nivele nidakwe xem... The land in S.A belongs to the blacks some day some day we will get it back and dont forget the world is at war anything can happen anytime soon 🤞🏽
Stolen /Conquered, Taken what difference does it make, How can people contribute R100 to buy land in their father's land in their own country, the indegenous Bantu of Southern Africa, I don't understand, it's getting crazy! If land is returned people can contribute for infrastructure needed to run successful agriculture, skills development institutions, building communities and factories, universities and everything needed, but to contribute to buy land in a country of their forefathers that's wrong, capitalists brought buying and selling of land, brought commercial value, because it's their system that monetize everything, pre colonial, the land was under the custodian of the Kings, Queens, Chiefs and everyone had land, African land belongs to the Africans.
On the issue of rightful conquest . When certain Blacks go and forcibly settle land/claim it. Won’t you consider that rightful conquest of the land according to ur own logic? If so why are those blacks then removed by the white people n government? An additional example will be Zimbabwe. They reconquered their land from white settlers by the same use of force the white used against them centuries earlier and yet they were sanctioned and still sanctioned today. One thing about supporting the white mans claims of rightful conquest you don’t understand is that the same rules won’t apply to u as a black. If u reconquer or invade the land again/ claim it back. They shift the goal posts and get you sanctioned . Penuel we won’t win if we look at it that way. That’s why I believe your belief/ opinion on that particular issue is wrong and as a black African id suggest you rethink it
Everything comes with consequences. Here in Zim, the land was taken yes, but it was given to people who can't work it. Sanctions were imposed on us because we took it back. But the reason we failed wasn't because of sanctions. Its the corruption, greed, and nepotism that killed us. If you guys take the land, it's not the sanctions you should worry about. Its the corruption, greed, and nepotism that i am sure will follow, especially with what the ANC is now and the materialistic culture that you, like us, have developed.
Black Pen I know that you know that all common wealth Nations were ruled by English Royal House? didn't English Royal House won fights to control common wealth Nations? We all natives in all common wealth Nations areas still respect our original cultures, religions,believe and Languages? Truth is Painful
We all have different views and thats the enemies weapon, Andile, Black pen, me and u. All have to come together and stop fighting each other and face the enemy and stop supporting white ppl, the enemy . Our unity is the only way out, most of all we have to love each other and know every blackman is ur brother.
@@mthokozisivusanene8610 yabona bafo , we black people in this country can derail white power just within six months by changing our lifestyle habits Im not trying to be negative but black people specifically are caught up in partying, drinking, smoking. If we can cut these habits for just six months the whole economy will be shook and wmc will be forced to listen to us but unfortunately we are caught in bullshit on weekends
Nice one 👍 I have listened to ANDILE many time I believe south Africa will never be fixed the way he thinks ...many things he says can be true but in 2023 I don't see him.helping south Africa to be a great country ...thanks Daniel
Eish that was harsh to say buy arms and fight for their land. Wrong message to put out there. I always find your vision interesting but I have to say this does not sit well with me.
I dont blame Andile not talking to u, u just a fence climber, u dont even know which side of it u stand, ul talk all day and say nothing, just leave him alone.
Penuel has valid opinions on things . He just needs to be more radicalized . Hanging out too much with whites will make you forget all that they have down and neutralize you as a threat. Most of his talking points recently are very westernized and pro white. This can be good sometimes but one must remember, we are black , we are African the western perspective will always somehow contradict us and infact disenfranchise us
It's convinent that you are willing to say such about another black person but you would never say that about Rob Hersov just cause he gave you money... I understand the black on black hate and the fact that you are able to put other black people on the sport but when it comes to people like Rob you will never put them in a corner just cause they are not funding you... You need to re-do the interview with Retendo.....
This comment of yours Penuel reminded me that you don't know the other side of the country and you are half black. Our black people farm every year in their garderns and farms (Emasimini) and they buy fertilizers and they prouduce good maize and maelie meal. We need land and economical freedom ndoda ans we need Andile to push that. Penualism may help there and there but we need land ndoda. I like your comments but this one hayi baba your other half is white and is dominating now that you joined Afriforum and you will start being voiceless uma uzoqhuba kanje.
To be honest when I first saw this video my blood was boiling. Ngizbuza ukuthi uthini manje umfo ka Mzilankatha, but the truth, especially in regard to land is that it was taken through conquest. Ondlebe zikhanya ilanga didn't fake a contract. They used guns mainly ukthatha umhlaba wokhokho no khokhomkhulu, and it certainly can't be returned by a group of 400 men and women who stand to gain financially from our pain. Labantu organised, conquered and created laws securing that conquered land. No one wants to even interrogate why we're fighting for land using the 1913 Natives Land Act. We need to investigate before 1910 when the Brits created a colony following the wars of resistance. Was it nice when you posted this video Penuel? No. Was it necessary to remind us how the land was taken? Definitely.
Pen i dont think stunt is a word to use my brother, because you could be a stunt as well but we also listen to your sharings regardeless of people like yourself on social media podcasts calling you a sellout 🙏 name calling is just not revolutionary All love my brother no disrespect intented
@@pageiit7626 Please do not confuse your intentions with what is written in the Bible. 1 Samuel 26. You learn how David refused to fight Saul even after Saul followed him in the desert with over 3000 soldiers. Instead he allowed God to do the fighting . Your anger will consume you. Violence is left to God. Eventually Saul committed suicide seeing how David refused to fight him even when he had a chance to kill him. Be good to yourself and refuse anger to destroy you and God bless you.
I am a Big fan of yours but manje sengathi uyahlanya Penuel, you were coming right until at this point 2:20... Chief Land was Stolen end of Story... I was against People who called you a sale out But with how you are approaching the Land issue it's a bit concerning..
Penuel wears all black, calls himself the black pen yet takes the opportunity to grandstand black consciousness activists... The irony of it all. Black hunger in SA is one hell of a case study
@@itumelenglekgetho8866 my fellow brother I love your point of view , but remember something . Whites don’t play fair. Don’t you think our leaders already considered a war with whites for land after 1994? Ofcourse the masses did. But whites don’t play fair. If we reconquer or reclaim the land, they will simply get us sanctioned. Black Zimbabweans for example , reconquered their land from whites and the entire western world sanctioned them. The ideology that u just support of “rightful conquest” only applies when the white man does it . When u do it, you’ll be labeled a terrorist and a dictator and sanctioned. Where’s the fair there!!!
If you want the land educate yourself first in order to know how to maintain it coz Zimbabwe also fought for the land and they won but they did not know how to maintain it so they lost everything that the white men built .
@@thembi9645 because black people were defeated,we did not have the power to fight back but that's the past we are free now we can do whatever we want,if you want land you can buy land and harvest it , you don't have to take land from whites instead educate yourself and create your own wealth .we need to move forward and stop with the victim mentality.
@@lemme2044 I’m not playing any victim mentality, why did they kill our forefathers like dogs Nd take everything from them Nd then at the end “Ohw let’s move on it’s all in the past while the generation is still suffering till to date bcz of your greedy evil forefathers” y’all haven’t answered Everything was supposed to b taken away from whites so that everyone starts on a clean slate not this nonsense that’s happening now SAns rum away from taking, these uncomfortable conversations must spoken out so that wounds can heal bhabha
U sometimes make me so angry that I end up hating you..but you always have a way of making me to forgive you without asking for forgiveness..what a good advice I'll pass the message to my BLF brothers and sisters 🤞🤞
In that book called the bible Proverb chapter 22 verse 7 it says "the rich shall rule over the poor" as long our people are on the consumption side of the economy and grooving all weekend and think the land will fall from the sky like manna. We shall remain landless. You are correct Pen the land reclaim should begin with self development.
This is why you yourself are a necessary voice. 100% behind you and Andile
Penuel wears all black, calls himself the black pen yet takes the opportunity to grandstand black consciousness activists... The irony of it all. Black hunger in SA is one hell of a case study
There were no black ppl before white colonizers came here. Black is not a colour of the brown ppl of Africa. I wear black because it is the colour of chimpanzees and I call myself The Black Pen because that is what I use to write books, music & draw artworks.
@@godpenuel that still says nothing about your grandstanding but I hear you. One hell of a case study but I wish you the best in your endeavors
I'm sad too broe..asingaxabaniswa ondlebe zikhanya ilanga.. I follow both of you guys.. Asihlale phansi sikhulume..
Keep taking each other to courts year in year out , you will never get the landed back 🤣🤣🤣
Why do politicians lie😢😂😂
These are facts, I wouldn't wana add anything it might dilute what GodPen said.
He is one of the opportunists...that's why he didn't last with Malema (another opportunist)
Fully agree my brother...
We have created an organisation like that and I wish you could interview the founder/CEO of our movement
Uyabhuda mfana struu 🤞🏽how do you buy what is yours ? Nina as friends of white people nivele nidakwe xem... The land in S.A belongs to the blacks some day some day we will get it back and dont forget the world is at war anything can happen anytime soon 🤞🏽
That mentality is the reason why you are landless
Stolen /Conquered, Taken what difference does it make, How can people contribute R100 to buy land in their father's land in their own country, the indegenous Bantu of Southern Africa, I don't understand, it's getting crazy! If land is returned people can contribute for infrastructure needed to run successful agriculture, skills development institutions, building communities and factories, universities and everything needed, but to contribute to buy land in a country of their forefathers that's wrong, capitalists brought buying and selling of land, brought commercial value, because it's their system that monetize everything, pre colonial, the land was under the custodian of the Kings, Queens, Chiefs and everyone had land, African land belongs to the Africans.
My fellow black South Africans read land matters by Tembeka Ngcukaitobi
On the issue of rightful conquest . When certain Blacks go and forcibly settle land/claim it. Won’t you consider that rightful conquest of the land according to ur own logic? If so why are those blacks then removed by the white people n government?
An additional example will be Zimbabwe. They reconquered their land from white settlers by the same use of force the white used against them centuries earlier and yet they were sanctioned and still sanctioned today. One thing about supporting the white mans claims of rightful conquest you don’t understand is that the same rules won’t apply to u as a black. If u reconquer or invade the land again/ claim it back. They shift the goal posts and get you sanctioned . Penuel we won’t win if we look at it that way. That’s why I believe your belief/ opinion on that particular issue is wrong and as a black African id suggest you rethink it
Everything comes with consequences. Here in Zim, the land was taken yes, but it was given to people who can't work it. Sanctions were imposed on us because we took it back. But the reason we failed wasn't because of sanctions. Its the corruption, greed, and nepotism that killed us. If you guys take the land, it's not the sanctions you should worry about. Its the corruption, greed, and nepotism that i am sure will follow, especially with what the ANC is now and the materialistic culture that you, like us, have developed.
The land issue is like promoters organising a big concert and making money.
Black Pen I know that you know that all common wealth Nations were ruled by English Royal House? didn't English Royal House won fights to control common wealth Nations? We all natives in all common wealth Nations areas still respect our original cultures, religions,believe and Languages? Truth is Painful
Why do ANC GOVERMENT CADRE STEAL FROM SOUTH AFRICA😢😂😂😂😂
We all have different views and thats the enemies weapon, Andile, Black pen, me and u. All have to come together and stop fighting each other and face the enemy and stop supporting white ppl, the enemy . Our unity is the only way out, most of all we have to love each other and know every blackman is ur brother.
Waiting for courts for land that was taken forcefully 🤣🤣🤣 you bleks are swaak
Lets take it back FORCEFULLY Nathi? Anyone knows of a Training base for this and other related missions?
@@mthokozisivusanene8610 go drink and smoke hubbly
@@JayJay-mx7oc Hawu!! I thought we are discussing solutions lana! Kanti nawe uyileyo Gang that’s All Talk No Action, WE ARE DOOMED!!
@@mthokozisivusanene8610 yabona bafo , we black people in this country can derail white power just within six months by changing our lifestyle habits
Im not trying to be negative but black people specifically are caught up in partying, drinking, smoking. If we can cut these habits for just six months the whole economy will be shook and wmc will be forced to listen to us but unfortunately we are caught in bullshit on weekends
As much as we don't want to hear this...the man is telling the truth 🤷🏿♂️
Eish bro kule corruption inje from brother and sisters,they chow that money
Nice one 👍 I have listened to ANDILE many time I believe south Africa will never be fixed the way he thinks ...many things he says can be true but in 2023 I don't see him.helping south Africa to be a great country ...thanks Daniel
How can you buy what was yours ungakudayisanga uphuciwe??
SIZOBA PHUCA NINI KE? At least lets prepare to FIGHT!! Who is going to buy the Arms?
Eish that was harsh to say buy arms and fight for their land. Wrong message to put out there. I always find your vision interesting but I have to say this does not sit well with me.
So you do not believe in expropriation of land without compensation. Wow! Pen. Only God knows what is happening here my brother. But, we hear you.
I do not believe in Santa Claus.
That's pipe dream. Pen is also a realist. He understands that expropriation of land without compensation will NEVER happen in our lifetime.
Your video started ok then you just went south from 1:46 and then it's downhill from there 🤦🏿♂️
You are right Black Pen,those that are not willing to die and commit genocide for their course should shut up and keep it moving.
There's alot you can learn from That Rutendo guy sometimes u just spit trash
Good advance 👍
They guna buy range rovers with ur money
I dont blame Andile not talking to u, u just a fence climber, u dont even know which side of it u stand, ul talk all day and say nothing, just leave him alone.
Penuel has valid opinions on things . He just needs to be more radicalized . Hanging out too much with whites will make you forget all that they have down and neutralize you as a threat. Most of his talking points recently are very westernized and pro white. This can be good sometimes but one must remember, we are black , we are African the western perspective will always somehow contradict us and infact disenfranchise us
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It's convinent that you are willing to say such about another black person but you would never say that about Rob Hersov just cause he gave you money... I understand the black on black hate and the fact that you are able to put other black people on the sport but when it comes to people like Rob you will never put them in a corner just cause they are not funding you... You need to re-do the interview with Retendo.....
How much did Rob gave Penuel since you were all together during that transaction?
I disagree. WHY SHOULD HE BUY IT???
Because NO ONE is willing to DIE for it
This comment of yours Penuel reminded me that you don't know the other side of the country and you are half black. Our black people farm every year in their garderns and farms (Emasimini) and they buy fertilizers and they prouduce good maize and maelie meal. We need land and economical freedom ndoda ans we need Andile to push that. Penualism may help there and there but we need land ndoda. I like your comments but this one hayi baba your other half is white and is dominating now that you joined Afriforum and you will start being voiceless uma uzoqhuba kanje.
✊🏾✊🏾penuel
To be honest when I first saw this video my blood was boiling. Ngizbuza ukuthi uthini manje umfo ka Mzilankatha, but the truth, especially in regard to land is that it was taken through conquest. Ondlebe zikhanya ilanga didn't fake a contract. They used guns mainly ukthatha umhlaba wokhokho no khokhomkhulu, and it certainly can't be returned by a group of 400 men and women who stand to gain financially from our pain. Labantu organised, conquered and created laws securing that conquered land. No one wants to even interrogate why we're fighting for land using the 1913 Natives Land Act. We need to investigate before 1910 when the Brits created a colony following the wars of resistance. Was it nice when you posted this video Penuel? No. Was it necessary to remind us how the land was taken? Definitely.
Pen i dont think stunt is a word to use my brother, because you could be a stunt as well but we also listen to your sharings regardeless of people like yourself on social media podcasts calling you a sellout 🙏 name calling is just not revolutionary
All love my brother no disrespect intented
Our hope is to return back to God. God gave us the land, we just need to come right with him. Courts & Arms won't do anything but delay the writings.
Read a book my brother, not just the bible... no wAit even the bible teaches people to fight for the land of their forefathers
@@lexxluda1874 Fighting is for God, I claim and enjoy the blessing. No book can add value to my life than what the Bible can.
@@BanterwithMohau amen, in the Holy Bible we find wisdom and fulfillment. Anything else is vanity
Bible teachers about fighting for your land. The violent vs bloodshed for the land is well documented in the old testament...
@@pageiit7626 Please do not confuse your intentions with what is written in the Bible. 1 Samuel 26. You learn how David refused to fight Saul even after Saul followed him in the desert with over 3000 soldiers. Instead he allowed God to do the fighting . Your anger will consume you. Violence is left to God. Eventually Saul committed suicide seeing how David refused to fight him even when he had a chance to kill him. Be good to yourself and refuse anger to destroy you and God bless you.
I am a Big fan of yours but manje sengathi uyahlanya Penuel, you were coming right until at this point 2:20... Chief Land was Stolen end of Story... I was against People who called you a sale out But with how you are approaching the Land issue it's a bit concerning..
Sounds like he's being used by Afriforum.
Its the truth, we were conquered. Only ourselves could stop the theft - whether by killing the thieves or anyhow - but we didn't, why is that?
Penuel wears all black, calls himself the black pen yet takes the opportunity to grandstand black consciousness activists... The irony of it all. Black hunger in SA is one hell of a case study
@@itumelenglekgetho8866 my fellow brother I love your point of view , but remember something . Whites don’t play fair. Don’t you think our leaders already considered a war with whites for land after 1994? Ofcourse the masses did. But whites don’t play fair. If we reconquer or reclaim the land, they will simply get us sanctioned. Black Zimbabweans for example , reconquered their land from whites and the entire western world sanctioned them. The ideology that u just support of “rightful conquest” only applies when the white man does it . When u do it, you’ll be labeled a terrorist and a dictator and sanctioned. Where’s the fair there!!!
@@casualSimRacer3312 fvck the courts bro. What good is a court now if they never used the courts to steal the land?
Sounds about right 💯
I support your proposal but is not make sure about buying the land ... Rather use the money for arms and see if we can't conquer as well ....
If you want the land educate yourself first in order to know how to maintain it coz Zimbabwe also fought for the land and they won but they did not know how to maintain it so they lost everything that the white men built .
Why were blacks forced out in some areas? Why their farmers were forcefully taken Nd some some murdered during the process?
@@thembi9645 because black people were defeated,we did not have the power to fight back but that's the past we are free now we can do whatever we want,if you want land you can buy land and harvest it , you don't have to take land from whites instead educate yourself and create your own wealth .we need to move forward and stop with the victim mentality.
@@lemme2044 I’m not playing any victim mentality, why did they kill our forefathers like dogs Nd take everything from them Nd then at the end “Ohw let’s move on it’s all in the past while the generation is still suffering till to date bcz of your greedy evil forefathers” y’all haven’t answered
Everything was supposed to b taken away from whites so that everyone starts on a clean slate not this nonsense that’s happening now
SAns rum away from taking, these uncomfortable conversations must spoken out so that wounds can heal bhabha
We are in this debacle because of the god of the bible- he used to command his people to invade land.
The guy is a zuma puppet himself, and he keeps on coming up with conspiracy theories
mxm... uyagula