This conversation feels like starting a game of Stellaris, finding an abandoned Megastructure right away and then having an event chain basically saying that the builders got Crisised. You are at the bottom of the tech tree, the people who built this were so high up you can't even see them and they failed to stop what came for them... And whatever came for them, is still out there.
The best part of this whole scene IMO is the look of horror at 1:13 where the sheer scale of the threat dawns on Ashford. This alien civilization was powerful enough to create its own dimensional pocket, connect thousands of solar systems through self-constructing wormhole gates and bend the laws of reality at will... and even they couldn't stop this terrifying alien _thing_ from killing every single one of them. What's worse, whatever it is is probably still out there.
@@thetimelapsesketchbook.9088which is nonsense. Earth showed signs of life that an advanced civilization would have picked up on well over a 100 million years ago. Seriously, life creates signatures a Webb telescope can pick up on. We would have been found way before humanity popped up.
well the story's a wee bit changed as Ashford was a complete douche in Abaddons Gate, though we haven't seen what will happen to Sam while she's indisposed.
He is Bull... mixed with Ashford. I can't get the idea out off my head that it was done on purpose to mess with us (those who read the books). I always said that the series fixed several weak plot points of the books but they really surpassed themselves with his character. He is really well done.
XJLCA open your eyes and don't dare to blink in the upcoming episodes. I don't know which rout they will take with him but I would bet that you wont be able to make a reasonable argument for that after the season finale. Not without the forsight of how everything turned out
"We need to get out of this place, and never come back." Yeah, well... you've been renewed for season 4 and who knows how many more, so we all know how _that's_ gonna go 😏
I think the authors want to stop at 9 books with 7 being already written. they are about midway through the 3rd book in the show. So yes. they come back and ignore Holden's warning.
I mean, from this sneak-peek I feel like the message is that there's something else still out there that this advanced civilization couldn't stop. We've all seen enough sci-fi stuff to know where this kind of thing goes. They always come back. Always.
Ian Kissell, oh, totally. This has been feeling reminiscent of Mass Effect and Battlestar Galactica, this season. In a good way, of course. There's still plenty of originality in it that it can shoulder a few of the cooler sci-fi tropes with ease.
Yet he immediately connected the dots when the station powered up like a railgun ready to fry the system even quoting Holden saying "Like cauterizing a wound" and proceeding to come up with a plan to destroy the gate before that happens. Strathairn was just a joy to watch in this role and iirc, they only got him for this one season and he himself asked if he could play some more Ashford in S4. Obviously they were more than happy to let him :D
I think he believed him. He felt he could only address this threat by not letting others know what he understood. By making decisions others wouldn't agree to.
Hence why Laconia are the only rational actors in this story... stopping humanity from exploring/using the Ring Gates is an impossibility, so figuring out a way to fight the aliens from a previous universe is the only logical solution.
@@nationalsocialism3504 Given your username, this probably falls on deaf ears, but Laconia's rationalism nearly destroyed humanity. The Goths were willing to allow a certain level of use of the ring gates, if we kept below that they'd leave us alone. Duarte wouldn't accept that, couldn't accept the possibility that a peace agreement had already been reached, deciding that war was inevitable so now was a good a time as any to start it. He tried to teach the Goths not to mess with us by bombing them when they sent a ship Dutchman, never realising that ships going Dutchman was the Goths trying to teach _us_ not to mess with them. He missed an incredibly obvious issue with his plan and Laconia went along with it because Duarte is always right. If you're an insect, and a human is in the room with you, the most logical course of action is to _leave them alone._ They could wipe you out in ways you can't fathom, and all you can do is give them ineffective little bites that will only annoy them. Leave them the hell alone.
@@nationalsocialism3504 Did you read all the books? The Dark enteties only started to try to wipe out humanity once they sent anti matter charges into their not-space, and then the only way Duarte could think to fix it was to enslave all of mankind to his will, a fate so nightmarish, even his most ardent supporters like Tanaka were willing to kill themselves to avert. He took a situation that had been stable for over 30 years, made it worse, and then tried to sentence our entire species to a fate worse than death to escape death.
So basically: "Yeah, the people who created the proto-molecule? The people who regard the laws of physics as a polite suggestion? Something killed them. Lets dip out while we can, hmm?"
you never know. small life can stow-away on ships, perhaps some ants made it off earth and have colonies in the asteroids that they have inhabited. kinda like the tree gardens on ceres, or the butterfly on ganymede. They probably actually intentionally brought insects with them, so those areas could maintain healthy biodiversity as insects do tend to play a part in keeping an ecosystem thriving.
Well, intentionally, yes, ants can be brought from one country to another country as long they got their queen and the whole colony with them. Accidentally, that would not happen. Unlike, spiders, flies, musquitoes and rats, ants cannot survive alone. They'll die for sure. Edit: Thank you for the alternative explaination Mennenth. There might be ants afterall in The Expanse space :)
@@nunyabuizness2953 carl sagan was not a great thinker and writer not sure why bother mention that Unless you are eager to expose your standard of what greatness means
I like how Ashford talks, its like kind of caring but also sarcastic, and there's weight behind his otherwise whimsy-sounding retorts. And I particularly like the exchange around the anthills. Holden says the Protomolecule AI doesn't care about humans like how we don't care about anthills, Ashford doesn't understand and states this, then Holden says something that Ashford very much understands; killing and death. The audio cue at the moment Ashford realises the meaning is like hearing a titanic pin drop (at 1:13), as Ashford realises before Holden even verbalises it that what they are in is a graveyard. You can see it in his eyes.
4th season was a really magical one! The suspense and then the way they revealed details are brilliant and well put together. It differs from the book but I believe it is great decision from the show creators.
ring does remind me of halo but halo ring was near Jupiter in that universe mass effect relay on charon moon well it was not a moon xd frozen relay but yeah series reminds me of mass effect because of those husk creatures
We have analogies with Halo or Mass Effect, but there are significant differences. Much more realism and also much scarier. There is no one else around. No galactic civilization. No Azarian, or Forerunners. This makes sense, the Fermi paradox holds. If there were other civilizations, we should have met them long ago. Surely long before the events depicter in The Expanse. But there WAS someone around, a galactic civilization of a sort, about a billion years ago. They were sufficiently advanced to build a pocket universe (the region in which our heroes stand now). One of their probe can turn an asteroid into a reactionless spaceship. Disassemble a spaceship into bolts and nuts in a split second. Build a stable wormhole. They disappeared, after a bitter and desperate fight, because someone else, that THEY could not even see, destroyed them, one stellar system at a time. And they NEVER resurfaced, in a billion year. Not anyone else, by the way. Fermi paradox holds, if (in the fictional narrative) we are able to build generational spaceships, and one large galactic civilization was out one billion years ago, there would be thousands of civilizations, even millions, around. All them have been quenched, or wiped away, likely by this mysterious and all powerful enemy. It is not a visible threat, like the Reapers. You have no chance with the PM builders just consider what happened to the Arborghast or to the Martian marine, but what you do to an enemy that just makes a stellar system to disappear, without anything visible causing that?. It is not a plague, an infection, like the Flood. The protomolecule resembles the Flood in some sense, but it has a purpose, is not malevolent. It just consider us like insects. The ring is MADE of PM, but does not care us. Holden is right. Hurry back home, and do not ever dream of meddling with these things, hoping they will never notice us.
We got to keep the road network when it's all said and done... so definitely worth the price paid to get it, being more like the Laconians would have been less costly since it required the Laconians to achieve success while fighting against the Laconians the entire way to that victory.
Haven't read the books, have to at some point. But I felt it would've been much more interesting to keep the protomolecule storyline instead of having Marco Inaros trying to win a war.
I thought that too. I imagine that ants are not completely foreign to the belt, but are probably only in artificial ant farms or maybe some "wild" ant colonies would be in the green spaces and farms of the larger stations and outposts. Hell. Ashford probably hasn't ever seen an open air road like holden is referring to.
can anyone explain why the proto molecules are building this ring that reopens back to this station sphere for "road building" if the ones who built these "none weapons" were long gone? and now it seems like this grave is poised and ready to wake up and start firing lazers again, this time at our solar system, and why did it not before? where did the samples on pheobe came from? did solar system exist at the time of this? I thought from reading wiki that it was supposed to be a weapon that was used to wipe out the protomolecule beings, now it's like they killed their own systems for whatever reason.
LYRILL basically it goes like this (not really spoilers but yeah, it might be new info for some peeps) The aliens made the protomolecule as a biological machine that uses biological matter to create rings that will link to the slow zone (the place with the nucleus in the middle). The protomolecule was sent across space - slowly because gates must be the only way the aliens found to cheat the speed of light - toward Sol system but Jupiter's mass deviated it from its course and it ended up on the moon Phoebe. It stayed there for a long time while biological life appeared on earth, the protomolecule being inert at a safe distance. In that time, the aliens were confronted by something. We dont know what exactly (you will see in season 4, maybe) but whatever it was, it could not be stopped. The aliens tried as best they could, destroying their own systems in a desperate attempt but it was not enough. They put the slow zone in a quarantine by shutting down all the rings to their empire and in millions of years, they never went back. They are most likely all dead. Holden wants to leave for two reasons. 1: The nucleus feel threatened by the humans and might decide to purge Sol system if the humans keep messing around with weapons in the slow zone. 2: There is no proof that the ones who killed the aliens are gone and humanity has no hope of fighting them off. Hope that answered your questions!
The protomolecule is an automated road building tool. It was sent eons ago to build the ring, at conventional (much less than light) speed. It has no way to communicate with its creators, so it is not aware they are long gone. It does the job it was programmed to do and alas, there is nobody on the other side of the newly built road. Just an empty building with automatic responses. Unfortunately one of these automatic responses seems to be "shoot at anything looking even vaguely dangerous".
I'm half convinced the killer of the Protomolecule Makers will turn out to be a god, or some sort of creature that inspired the very concept of a god. Maybe some sort of Creator alien race or single alien that somehow created all others, thus inspiring the concept of gods overall. Persepolis Rising kind of made me realize that, not that I'm going to talk about spoilers on a public forum openly if no one has read the books that far..
Or maybe it'll turn out to be some regular dude who's tired of constantly repairing all the holes that the "animals" keep chewing through his house just for a quicker way of getting from his front yard to his back yard.
@@nukepuke932One of the coolest things about the Expanse is that the species that wiped out Protomolecule creators is orders of magnitude beyond our understand. We interpret its behavior as malicious but it’s just as likely that it merely finds us aggravating. I like the anthill analogy because it applies not just to the Builders but to the Ring Entities as well. Years ago I lived in a rented house in Florida that had a serious ant problem. We talked to the owner & he had the house tented & gassed the insects. I always got the sense that the Ring Entities didn’t regard the Builders or humans with malice per se. We’re just a great big swarm of annoying, biting insects to them. They don’t hate us. We just make them really uncomfortable. So they call The Orkin Man to tent the galaxy…
If they're done with this i'd like the that teams take on the whole ender series. As hard sci-fi and without changing ages like the movie. We'll see if someone dares :) Hope the expanse gets renewed to tell the story as a whole ... I loved it so far.
Hell to the yes. I've been dreaming of a Netflix series for Ender's Game. Stranger Things proved that it's possible to have a young cast. The movie was disappointing but there's no way they could've fit the whole story in a movie that was certificate 12. The deaths, the Locke and Demosthenes plot, the politics going on, all that can be portrayed in a Netflix series...
Hmm Interesting, I didn't get the sense that their civilization was gone at all :P What I was getting from it all was that, Miller was being created in Holden's mind by the civilization so Holden would do something for them that they could not do. Because Miller even said he was the brain or something like that, and Holden was a tool (in that particular moment), with the ultimate objective of coming in and destroying the whole solar system (for whatever reasons that may be)
#MILD SPOILER# Their civilization has gone, but their machines still work (proto molecule). Now those machines (what's left of them) are awakened by activities in our Solar System millennia's later and they are investigating what has happened to their creators.
Think of the sphere as a great big automatic road building machine, and the protomolecule as the tarmac. The sphere sends out the protomolecule to make new roads. It does this by just consuming any and all resource until it is is able to create a ring. Once done the folk who created the sphere and PM can have themselves a new road. However as Holden alluded too something came along a started to kill the folk who made the sphere and PM. So to try and protect themselves they shut the ring space down, closed the access to all the gates and then started destroying entire solar systems to try and stop this new big bad. Mean while the sphere has kept trying to phone home, to update what it's doing with it's creators however they have locked down the gates prevent it from doing that. Miller alludes to this with a statement about it reaching out, reaching out, it reaches out 113 times a second. He only says that line once in the show but in the book it is made much clearer that something big is going on as just about every chapter starts with with this line. Miller is part of the machine, the sphere, the AI that controls it, however you want to describe it and it needs someone, a life form to come in and by pass the security so that it can report in and that's where Holden comes in. The Sphere uses a small globe of protomolecule that has been left on the Roci to create an interface that Holden can relate too, in this case Miller and then uses that to get Holden to reopen the gates.
yeah it sucks but at least it's the show didnt' end on a massive cliffhanger and canceled by syfy like it would have. I can wait for next season... Fucking Syfy channel.
they dont tell us much even in final book. my theory is this. this ring space disturb their sleep. i think they ''sleep'' in a ''simulation'' like matrix. all that transit through ring space takes away their energy used in their sleep. thats why they are angry. they just want to sleep
The Flood is scary by its pure empowerment. What Holden has seen is actually the glimpse of a 4-dimensional universe-spanning war aftermath, rather comparable to the battlefield of Stargate´s the Ancients versus the Ori. What happened was so OP, a human mind cannot process it. If you would present a dog thermodynamics on a chalkboard - the dog would see it, but by far would lack the mind to comprehend. Yes, i read all the books.
Hahaha. Then you haven't read the Forerunner Trilogy. Because the last month of the Forerunner-Flood War was basically Lovecraftian. What we see in the Halo games is basically the end-result of the Halo Array Pulse lobotomizing the Flood. The Flood in the Forerunner Trilogy is a COMPLETELY different beast. Keyminds are what happens when Flood Biomass covers an entire planet like a multi-hundred kilometer thick fungal growth and all the Graveminds on-planet (billions of them) merge into a single super entity (basically a Zerg Overmind on steroids) -- with computation powers and command abilities to control Flood bioforms into combat based around actual fucking PRECOGNITION, and there were hundreds of millions of Keyminds near the war's end. Forerunner-Flood War Flood can create more Flood biomatter via Ex Nihilo processes (literally out of thin air) by raping physics. Can alter dimensional barriers to inhibit Slip Space travel. It can create areas of altered physics that support its own growth and the computational powers of Keyminds. War-Mode Flood is fucking insane. More like author of the Expanse ripped of Greg Bear (author of the Forerunner Trilogy) to make his own Great Enemy.
morgen dikmen Yeah, I'm anxiously awaiting the next book to answer _that_ it if they see fit to provide any discrete answers! I'm guessing we'll get some but far from all (and it will be better because of this). It may also take one or two additional books to finish the exploration of this topic.
The question is not "What killed the makers" the question is "Is it still around." A civilization that spanned the milky way was exterminated and humanity has yet to leave the Sol system. The difference in power between both is incalculable.
maybe the enemy is not even alive, maybe this civilisation was killed by their own politics & shortsightedness like we are due to climate change... maybe they doomed themselves & there's no actual enemy.
Mayhemm007 In this case it's not even a weapon. But a probe, a tool. They created pocket dimensions and wormholes to travel. But something killed them. Something killed agalaxy spanning civilization. Something they couldn't even see. Something imune to supernovae. And then theres us... hiding in the shadow of dead giants form something much more terrifying.
Could it be possible that the creators of the protomolecule never left their system because they had to "wait" till all the extra gates had been opened?
This is what he trying to say in the video: " There is a nasty dimensional being out there, exterminating all life it came across and the Proto-molecule is trying to stop it and fail. Now the responsibilities fall on the humans. This is a warning, it is coming!!! Get ready to die or fight!!! " We will not know what is this Dimensional Being is...we need to wait until book 10 is out. Meanwhile enjoy the show and the up-coming Season 4.
Outsider Spoilers: Towards the end of the series there's a 20 year time jump ( Similar to earlier in the show where was a 3 month time jump ) During this time thousands of planets are colonized using the ring system, and the proto-molecule has been studied and used to make much more advanced technology. However, there are signs that the use of the proto-molecule technology may have begun to attract these unknown entities, with random ships starting to simply cease to exist when using the gate system. It's up in the air how the series will end. (Another reason for the 20 year gap is that earth needed time to be rebuilt. A mass extinction of life and a third of the people on Earth get killed in a future Belter-Earth-Mars war. Since the authors already killed some 10 billion people, its possible everyone will just die at the end.) My favorite theory is that the higher dimensional beings don't take kindly to wormholes/pocket universes, as they might damage or hurt them somehow. The series will end with some disaster destroying the gate system once and for all, with humanity and earth based life stranded, unable to communicate, on thousands of worlds throughout the galaxy.
And then the waiting for s4 ... Hope they can keep up the quality. And brush out the minor hickups like Amos not needing oxygen and how the hell Anna got into the rosinante ... Whatever :)
this is such a spoiler, dialogue and character wise... surely there is no way those two find each other in the beginning of e12...? who picks these -.-
Peter Pain Yeah way bigger is right. (Slight Spoilers) The "Gate Builders" would wreck the Reapers in a fight and something they couldn't see was wiping them out. They got so desperate they started blowing up their own star systems in a last-ditch effort to kill their "Unseen Enemy" and they still got wiped out.
"It doesn't care about us any more that we care about ant hills we pave over" - Holden
"What is a faloting ant hill?" - Ashford
bruh, I'm sure they got bugs in the belt. Prolly have more bugs than on earth tbh @_@. Large, zero g bugs... @_@
I know it is kinda off topic but does anybody know of a good site to watch new movies online?
@Antonio Demetrius Lately I have been using Flixzone. You can find it on google =)
@@antoniodemetrius8863 youtube
@@johnnymaximum3828 I am fairly sure they are bots, seen the same talk in english on a polish channel.
This conversation feels like starting a game of Stellaris, finding an abandoned Megastructure right away and then having an event chain basically saying that the builders got Crisised. You are at the bottom of the tech tree, the people who built this were so high up you can't even see them and they failed to stop what came for them... And whatever came for them, is still out there.
When you open the L-gates way before you should have
The best part of this whole scene IMO is the look of horror at 1:13 where the sheer scale of the threat dawns on Ashford. This alien civilization was powerful enough to create its own dimensional pocket, connect thousands of solar systems through self-constructing wormhole gates and bend the laws of reality at will... and even they couldn't stop this terrifying alien _thing_ from killing every single one of them. What's worse, whatever it is is probably still out there.
The only thing more dangerous to humanity than the makers of the protomolecule and ring is whatever killed them.
Fermi Paradox
@@musicduck2251 The Dark Forest hypothesis.
A terrifying solution to the Fermi Paradox
"But it won't get us, right?"
"Well..."
"...right?"
Read up on the Dark Forest theory. That's what this reminds me of, a terrifying read.
@@dmi6101 Read the books and find out
@@thetimelapsesketchbook.9088which is nonsense. Earth showed signs of life that an advanced civilization would have picked up on well over a 100 million years ago. Seriously, life creates signatures a Webb telescope can pick up on. We would have been found way before humanity popped up.
@@Primenumber19 Do you have concrete proof of that. Nope. :)
0:55 Ashford says "What's an ant hill?" "What does pave over mean? I'm from outer space dude."
Education still exists and so does grammar.
Did not expect to like Ashford this much, quite the opposite
well the story's a wee bit changed as Ashford was a complete douche in Abaddons Gate, though we haven't seen what will happen to Sam while she's indisposed.
More like Bull actually
He is Bull... mixed with Ashford. I can't get the idea out off my head that it was done on purpose to mess with us (those who read the books). I always said that the series fixed several weak plot points of the books but they really surpassed themselves with his character. He is really well done.
Like Ashford? Why would you? He should die.
XJLCA open your eyes and don't dare to blink in the upcoming episodes. I don't know which rout they will take with him but I would bet that you wont be able to make a reasonable argument for that after the season finale. Not without the forsight of how everything turned out
"We need to get out of this place, and never come back."
Yeah, well... you've been renewed for season 4 and who knows how many more, so we all know how _that's_ gonna go 😏
I think the authors want to stop at 9 books with 7 being already written. they are about midway through the 3rd book in the show. So yes. they come back and ignore Holden's warning.
I mean, from this sneak-peek I feel like the message is that there's something else still out there that this advanced civilization couldn't stop. We've all seen enough sci-fi stuff to know where this kind of thing goes. They always come back. Always.
SPOILER
By Cibola Burn(the book after Abaddons Gate), the Belters have transformed the Behemoth into a space-station in the same space as the nucleus.
guess who is gonna misinterpret that quote...
Ian Kissell, oh, totally. This has been feeling reminiscent of Mass Effect and Battlestar Galactica, this season. In a good way, of course. There's still plenty of originality in it that it can shoulder a few of the cooler sci-fi tropes with ease.
David Strathairn carries this scene so well. Holden thinks he believes him, I think he believes him. He doesn't.
Yet he immediately connected the dots when the station powered up like a railgun ready to fry the system even quoting Holden saying "Like cauterizing a wound" and proceeding to come up with a plan to destroy the gate before that happens.
Strathairn was just a joy to watch in this role and iirc, they only got him for this one season and he himself asked if he could play some more Ashford in S4. Obviously they were more than happy to let him :D
I think he believed him. He felt he could only address this threat by not letting others know what he understood. By making decisions others wouldn't agree to.
No wonder there is a speed limit in that space, it's an interstellar intersection.
A shame nobody listened... "We are in a graveyard. we need to get out of this place and never come back". Even his words of advice fell on deaf ears.
Hence why Laconia are the only rational actors in this story... stopping humanity from exploring/using the Ring Gates is an impossibility, so figuring out a way to fight the aliens from a previous universe is the only logical solution.
@@nationalsocialism3504 What did you think of Duarte's final plan in Leviathan Falls?
@@nationalsocialism3504 Given your username, this probably falls on deaf ears, but Laconia's rationalism nearly destroyed humanity. The Goths were willing to allow a certain level of use of the ring gates, if we kept below that they'd leave us alone. Duarte wouldn't accept that, couldn't accept the possibility that a peace agreement had already been reached, deciding that war was inevitable so now was a good a time as any to start it. He tried to teach the Goths not to mess with us by bombing them when they sent a ship Dutchman, never realising that ships going Dutchman was the Goths trying to teach _us_ not to mess with them. He missed an incredibly obvious issue with his plan and Laconia went along with it because Duarte is always right.
If you're an insect, and a human is in the room with you, the most logical course of action is to _leave them alone._ They could wipe you out in ways you can't fathom, and all you can do is give them ineffective little bites that will only annoy them. Leave them the hell alone.
@@nationalsocialism3504 Did you read all the books? The Dark enteties only started to try to wipe out humanity once they sent anti matter charges into their not-space, and then the only way Duarte could think to fix it was to enslave all of mankind to his will, a fate so nightmarish, even his most ardent supporters like Tanaka were willing to kill themselves to avert. He took a situation that had been stable for over 30 years, made it worse, and then tried to sentence our entire species to a fate worse than death to escape death.
So basically:
"Yeah, the people who created the proto-molecule? The people who regard the laws of physics as a polite suggestion? Something killed them. Lets dip out while we can, hmm?"
There's no laws of physics in the goth bubble... just cops...
Ideally, so you can prepare to annihilate every alien in existence until humanity is safe.
I wonder if a belter like Ashford ever seen an anthill before :D
Doubt they could ever see a anthill. atleast on earth. Though he probably understands the meaning of what hes saying.
Hehe. I am sure Captain America going to say "I do. I understood that reference"
you never know. small life can stow-away on ships, perhaps some ants made it off earth and have colonies in the asteroids that they have inhabited. kinda like the tree gardens on ceres, or the butterfly on ganymede. They probably actually intentionally brought insects with them, so those areas could maintain healthy biodiversity as insects do tend to play a part in keeping an ecosystem thriving.
Well, intentionally, yes, ants can be brought from one country to another country as long they got their queen and the whole colony with them. Accidentally, that would not happen. Unlike, spiders, flies, musquitoes and rats, ants cannot survive alone. They'll die for sure.
Edit: Thank you for the alternative explaination Mennenth. There might be ants afterall in The Expanse space :)
Even if not he'll understand the idiom.
Best sci fi show in a long time.
Loving these Lovecraftian vibes.
It's more Saganian. Holden would have gone completely insane if this were an HPL story.
@@BurningSpear213 What's saganian?
@@Sammy_82 I'm guessing it has something to do with Carl Sagan the famous astrophysicist.
@@nunyabuizness2953 carl sagan was not a great thinker and writer not sure why bother mention that
Unless you are eager to expose your standard of what greatness means
Ashford really is the Sean Connery of the Belt
This keep getting better and better....I love this show.
This is the best show that could ever happened to us in the history of ever
I like how Ashford talks, its like kind of caring but also sarcastic, and there's weight behind his otherwise whimsy-sounding retorts.
And I particularly like the exchange around the anthills. Holden says the Protomolecule AI doesn't care about humans like how we don't care about anthills, Ashford doesn't understand and states this, then Holden says something that Ashford very much understands; killing and death. The audio cue at the moment Ashford realises the meaning is like hearing a titanic pin drop (at 1:13), as Ashford realises before Holden even verbalises it that what they are in is a graveyard. You can see it in his eyes.
All these worlds are yours. Except from Laconia. Attempt no landings there.
4th season was a really magical one!
The suspense and then the way they revealed details are brilliant and well put together.
It differs from the book but I believe it is great decision from the show creators.
This was S3 tho ;-)
The show was better on syfy
Why do i have a feeling this is a realisticly scary prelude to mass effect or stelaris?
I wouldn't mind if Reapers are behind all this :p
More like Halo
ring does remind me of halo but halo ring was near Jupiter in that universe mass effect relay on charon moon well it was not a moon xd frozen relay but yeah series reminds me of mass effect because of those husk creatures
Starfield confirmed? lol
We have analogies with Halo or Mass Effect, but there are significant differences. Much more realism and also much scarier.
There is no one else around. No galactic civilization. No Azarian, or Forerunners. This makes sense, the Fermi paradox holds. If there were other civilizations, we should have met them long ago. Surely long before the events depicter in The Expanse.
But there WAS someone around, a galactic civilization of a sort, about a billion years ago. They were sufficiently advanced to build a pocket universe (the region in which our heroes stand now). One of their probe can turn an asteroid into a reactionless spaceship. Disassemble a spaceship into bolts and nuts in a split second. Build a stable wormhole.
They disappeared, after a bitter and desperate fight, because someone else, that THEY could not even see, destroyed them, one stellar system at a time. And they NEVER resurfaced, in a billion year. Not anyone else, by the way.
Fermi paradox holds, if (in the fictional narrative) we are able to build generational spaceships, and one large galactic civilization was out one billion years ago, there would be thousands of civilizations, even millions, around. All them have been quenched, or wiped away, likely by this mysterious and all powerful enemy.
It is not a visible threat, like the Reapers. You have no chance with the PM builders just consider what happened to the Arborghast or to the Martian marine, but what you do to an enemy that just makes a stellar system to disappear, without anything visible causing that?.
It is not a plague, an infection, like the Flood. The protomolecule resembles the Flood in some sense, but it has a purpose, is not malevolent. It just consider us like insects. The ring is MADE of PM, but does not care us.
Holden is right. Hurry back home, and do not ever dream of meddling with these things, hoping they will never notice us.
If you haven't read the books, they are absolutely amazing.
"We need to get out and never come back" really should have been what humanity did, given what happens in the books...
We got to keep the road network when it's all said and done... so definitely worth the price paid to get it, being more like the Laconians would have been less costly since it required the Laconians to achieve success while fighting against the Laconians the entire way to that victory.
Clifton Shorter’s music for this scene is just awesome.
Ashford 3 seconds later : yep he's crazy guys
Oh shoot a precursor graveyard
That means the protomolecule is the flood? Now we just need to find the forerunners...
dink theep the precursor race are the forerunners, the humans are the covenant at this point.
I wonder who the humans are ?
Its the hinting towards the War between the Old Ones and the C'tan.
Man it's such a shame that those who didn't read the books will never learn what's behind this^^
Haven't read the books, have to at some point.
But I felt it would've been much more interesting to keep the protomolecule storyline instead of having Marco Inaros trying to win a war.
@@stereomois The entire plot is intertwined. He was merely a distraction to keep all eyes and ears from what was really going on.
All I hear is "THE TIME OF OUR RETURN IS COMING" #ReapersAreBack #WeNeedCommanderShepard
We are the harbingers of your destruction rudimentary creatures of flesh and blood
Sorry, but I gotta ask... How would Ashford know what an "anthill" is?
I thought that too. I imagine that ants are not completely foreign to the belt, but are probably only in artificial ant farms or maybe some "wild" ant colonies would be in the green spaces and farms of the larger stations and outposts. Hell. Ashford probably hasn't ever seen an open air road like holden is referring to.
That may be why he said he doesn't entirely understand. Because he doesn't.
The expression would certainly be known system wide, not to mention that Ashford is more than likely more educated than your average belter.
It's like someone from Canada knowing what an elephant is. They probably haven't seen one in person, but they'd know what one looks like.
right, I'm sure Belters have never watched any sort of video of earth and insects, good call you cracked the code
Amusing echo of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy... I am guessing Corey (one of them) is a fan of that?
oh yeah like how the Vogons destroyed Earth to build a road but there were 5D creatures that had built it to find out what the ultimate question was.
Damn, why so early. This sneak peek feels like big spoilers. Still, i can't wait for next week!
can anyone explain why the proto molecules are building this ring that reopens back to this station sphere for "road building" if the ones who built these "none weapons" were long gone? and now it seems like this grave is poised and ready to wake up and start firing lazers again, this time at our solar system, and why did it not before? where did the samples on pheobe came from? did solar system exist at the time of this? I thought from reading wiki that it was supposed to be a weapon that was used to wipe out the protomolecule beings, now it's like they killed their own systems for whatever reason.
Yea, it's explored in detail in Cibola Burn. Probably Season 4. (Miller becomes a mining truck/drill/excavator thing)
i really don't know and I don't want to spoil myself. read the book if you want to :)
LYRILL basically it goes like this (not really spoilers but yeah, it might be new info for some peeps)
The aliens made the protomolecule as a biological machine that uses biological matter to create rings that will link to the slow zone (the place with the nucleus in the middle). The protomolecule was sent across space - slowly because gates must be the only way the aliens found to cheat the speed of light - toward Sol system but Jupiter's mass deviated it from its course and it ended up on the moon Phoebe. It stayed there for a long time while biological life appeared on earth, the protomolecule being inert at a safe distance. In that time, the aliens were confronted by something. We dont know what exactly (you will see in season 4, maybe) but whatever it was, it could not be stopped. The aliens tried as best they could, destroying their own systems in a desperate attempt but it was not enough. They put the slow zone in a quarantine by shutting down all the rings to their empire and in millions of years, they never went back. They are most likely all dead.
Holden wants to leave for two reasons. 1: The nucleus feel threatened by the humans and might decide to purge Sol system if the humans keep messing around with weapons in the slow zone. 2: There is no proof that the ones who killed the aliens are gone and humanity has no hope of fighting them off.
Hope that answered your questions!
The protomolecule is an automated road building tool. It was sent eons ago to build the ring, at conventional (much less than light) speed. It has no way to communicate with its creators, so it is not aware they are long gone. It does the job it was programmed to do and alas, there is nobody on the other side of the newly built road. Just an empty building with automatic responses.
Unfortunately one of these automatic responses seems to be "shoot at anything looking even vaguely dangerous".
The Ancient ones...Lovecraft in modern sci-fi love it
"We are so screwed " .... B. Carmine.
This is just too good
I'm half convinced the killer of the Protomolecule Makers will turn out to be a god, or some sort of creature that inspired the very concept of a god. Maybe some sort of Creator alien race or single alien that somehow created all others, thus inspiring the concept of gods overall. Persepolis Rising kind of made me realize that, not that I'm going to talk about spoilers on a public forum openly if no one has read the books that far..
Or maybe it'll turn out to be some regular dude who's tired of constantly repairing all the holes that the "animals" keep chewing through his house just for a quicker way of getting from his front yard to his back yard.
@@nukepuke932 yeah, imagine that
@@nukepuke932One of the coolest things about the Expanse is that the species that wiped out Protomolecule creators is orders of magnitude beyond our understand. We interpret its behavior as malicious but it’s just as likely that it merely finds us aggravating. I like the anthill analogy because it applies not just to the Builders but to the Ring Entities as well.
Years ago I lived in a rented house in Florida that had a serious ant problem. We talked to the owner & he had the house tented & gassed the insects. I always got the sense that the Ring Entities didn’t regard the Builders or humans with malice per se. We’re just a great big swarm of annoying, biting insects to them. They don’t hate us. We just make them really uncomfortable. So they call The Orkin Man to tent the galaxy…
Every new episode of this show makes me wish Alcom would get the rights to adapt Neal Asher's Polity Universe even more. (dreamy sigh).
I wonder if he was talking about leaving the solar system or the ring
Please Amazon! Continue this great show!
Ah yes, "Reapers"...
We have dismissed this claim.
This is starting to look A LOT like Cixin Liu's "Remembrance of Earth's Past"
What I'm still worried about is that glob of proto molecule on the Roci
I'm pretty sure that's how The Investigator/Miller is able to communicate with Holden
Have you watched s4 yet?
Naomi is back! Yes the family is getting back together😆
tbh i like Ashfords character
" this aliens build an multi wormhole device, lets fire a laser at their stuff" -what ashford heard
we are just ugly bags of mostly water to it!
It's like the Flood from Halo or the Descolada from the Ender series!
If they're done with this i'd like the that teams take on the whole ender series. As hard sci-fi and without changing ages like the movie. We'll see if someone dares :) Hope the expanse gets renewed to tell the story as a whole ... I loved it so far.
Hell to the yes. I've been dreaming of a Netflix series for Ender's Game. Stranger Things proved that it's possible to have a young cast. The movie was disappointing but there's no way they could've fit the whole story in a movie that was certificate 12. The deaths, the Locke and Demosthenes plot, the politics going on, all that can be portrayed in a Netflix series...
Hmm Interesting, I didn't get the sense that their civilization was gone at all :P
What I was getting from it all was that, Miller was being created in Holden's mind by the civilization so Holden would do something for them that they could not do. Because Miller even said he was the brain or something like that, and Holden was a tool (in that particular moment), with the ultimate objective of coming in and destroying the whole solar system (for whatever reasons that may be)
#MILD SPOILER#
Their civilization has gone, but their machines still work (proto molecule). Now those machines (what's left of them) are awakened by activities in our Solar System millennia's later and they are investigating what has happened to their creators.
Think of the sphere as a great big automatic road building machine, and the protomolecule as the tarmac. The sphere sends out the protomolecule to make new roads. It does this by just consuming any and all resource until it is is able to create a ring. Once done the folk who created the sphere and PM can have themselves a new road. However as Holden alluded too something came along a started to kill the folk who made the sphere and PM. So to try and protect themselves they shut the ring space down, closed the access to all the gates and then started destroying entire solar systems to try and stop this new big bad.
Mean while the sphere has kept trying to phone home, to update what it's doing with it's creators however they have locked down the gates prevent it from doing that. Miller alludes to this with a statement about it reaching out, reaching out, it reaches out 113 times a second. He only says that line once in the show but in the book it is made much clearer that something big is going on as just about every chapter starts with with this line.
Miller is part of the machine, the sphere, the AI that controls it, however you want to describe it and it needs someone, a life form to come in and by pass the security so that it can report in and that's where Holden comes in. The Sphere uses a small globe of protomolecule that has been left on the Roci to create an interface that Holden can relate too, in this case Miller and then uses that to get Holden to reopen the gates.
I wasn't that far off :D what is PM? And is that civilization still alive?
Shin Da PM is protomolecule. Are they dead. Everythi g so far suggests they are but we don't know yet.
The Reapers are coming, the Reapers are coming!!!
What sucks is this is the last episode of the season.
GYYAAAARRRGGHH, thx, I was finally able to blend the fact out, now it´s back
Amazon picked it up fam
PrometheuzReturns
Doesn't change the fact that the season is over.
yeah it sucks but at least it's the show didnt' end on a massive cliffhanger and canceled by syfy like it would have. I can wait for next season... Fucking Syfy channel.
Double episode, supposedly. 2 hours.
they dont tell us much even in final book. my theory is this. this ring space disturb their sleep. i think they ''sleep'' in a ''simulation'' like matrix. all that transit through ring space takes away their energy used in their sleep. thats why they are angry. they just want to sleep
THE FLOOD IS COMING!
Victor Lau hahahahaha .. the martians definetly have the master chief like suits
Literally the first thing I thought of 😂
The Flood is scary by its pure empowerment.
What Holden has seen is actually the glimpse of a 4-dimensional universe-spanning war aftermath, rather comparable to the battlefield of Stargate´s the Ancients versus the Ori.
What happened was so OP, a human mind cannot process it.
If you would present a dog thermodynamics on a chalkboard - the dog would see it, but by far would lack the mind to comprehend.
Yes, i read all the books.
You read them , but do you understand them? are you the dog or Holden ?
Hahaha. Then you haven't read the Forerunner Trilogy. Because the last month of the Forerunner-Flood War was basically Lovecraftian. What we see in the Halo games is basically the end-result of the Halo Array Pulse lobotomizing the Flood.
The Flood in the Forerunner Trilogy is a COMPLETELY different beast.
Keyminds are what happens when Flood Biomass covers an entire planet like a multi-hundred kilometer thick fungal growth and all the Graveminds on-planet (billions of them) merge into a single super entity (basically a Zerg Overmind on steroids) -- with computation powers and command abilities to control Flood bioforms into combat based around actual fucking PRECOGNITION, and there were hundreds of millions of Keyminds near the war's end. Forerunner-Flood War Flood can create more Flood biomatter via Ex Nihilo processes (literally out of thin air) by raping physics. Can alter dimensional barriers to inhibit Slip Space travel. It can create areas of altered physics that support its own growth and the computational powers of Keyminds. War-Mode Flood is fucking insane.
More like author of the Expanse ripped of Greg Bear (author of the Forerunner Trilogy) to make his own Great Enemy.
The flood
Forerunner technology
Reclaimer always gladto see you
"THANOS, what have you done?"..... Adam Warlock
Can't wait till they meet this mysterious threat, then perhaps all the humans in this series will start working together for a change. But i doubt it!
We need a season 4 and finish this fucking awesome story!
I wonder what killed the makers.
morgen dikmen Yeah, I'm anxiously awaiting the next book to answer _that_ it if they see fit to provide any discrete answers! I'm guessing we'll get some but far from all (and it will be better because of this). It may also take one or two additional books to finish the exploration of this topic.
The question is not "What killed the makers" the question is "Is it still around."
A civilization that spanned the milky way was exterminated and humanity has yet to leave the Sol system. The difference in power between both is incalculable.
maybe the enemy is not even alive, maybe this civilisation was killed by their own politics & shortsightedness like we are due to climate change... maybe they doomed themselves & there's no actual enemy.
I'm guessing it was something like the Accents/Ori from Stargate, something so far beyond them they couldn't even see nor grasp it.
The darkness. Don't worry, God Emperor Duarte has a plan.
Holden is spooked
_"One single Flood spore can destroy a species"_
Mayhemm007 In this case it's not even a weapon. But a probe, a tool. They created pocket dimensions and wormholes to travel. But something killed them. Something killed agalaxy spanning civilization. Something they couldn't even see. Something imune to supernovae. And then theres us... hiding in the shadow of dead giants form something much more terrifying.
embrace eternity!
I fear we're more going into the direction of "Assuming control"
assuming direct control!!
So, the precursors build the protomolecules.
and the protomolecules build gates to new solar systems.
CiscoKid and something kicked their ass.
The space they are in is a hub. A gateway of gates. Why go through empty space, when you have a dimensional train station.
Could it be possible that the creators of the protomolecule never left their system because they had to "wait" till all the extra gates had been opened?
It reaches out...
This was "reapers"! they harvest civilizations
Fear the ones killing protomolecule
The protomolecule is like a mold spreading wormhole gateways across the universe using spores
Please don't make any STD references. I'm still traumatized by that show lol
The Expanse is actually a prequel to Battlestar Galactica
He was right, in the end.
In case this hasn’t been stressed enough already, this seems like a Mass Effect prelude to the First Contact War.
Holy shit i got massive chills.
This is what he trying to say in the video:
" There is a nasty dimensional being out there, exterminating all life it came across and the Proto-molecule is trying to stop it and fail. Now the responsibilities fall on the humans. This is a warning, it is coming!!! Get ready to die or fight!!! "
We will not know what is this Dimensional Being is...we need to wait until book 10 is out. Meanwhile enjoy the show and the up-coming Season 4.
need to wait for the writer or you may get the answer when book 10 is out. Season 4 should be on book 7, still long way to go. lol
nope, season 4 should be the ending of book 3 and the beginning of book 4 so still waaay behind
Outsider Spoilers:
Towards the end of the series there's a 20 year time jump ( Similar to earlier in the show where was a 3 month time jump ) During this time thousands of planets are colonized using the ring system, and the proto-molecule has been studied and used to make much more advanced technology. However, there are signs that the use of the proto-molecule technology may have begun to attract these unknown entities, with random ships starting to simply cease to exist when using the gate system. It's up in the air how the series will end. (Another reason for the 20 year gap is that earth needed time to be rebuilt. A mass extinction of life and a third of the people on Earth get killed in a future Belter-Earth-Mars war. Since the authors already killed some 10 billion people, its possible everyone will just die at the end.) My favorite theory is that the higher dimensional beings don't take kindly to wormholes/pocket universes, as they might damage or hurt them somehow. The series will end with some disaster destroying the gate system once and for all, with humanity and earth based life stranded, unable to communicate, on thousands of worlds throughout the galaxy.
Amazing!! This series got me so hype, it is so much better then Star Trek Discovery.
You do realize that there are only 9 books planned total, right?
Boiii ! Shit just got crazier than ever, or at least it's about to.
what is going on ....?
Hold the flip down, how the hell is Ashford on the Martian drop-ship?
Because it is docked on the Behemoth
fk me. cant wait for the finale
And then the waiting for s4 ... Hope they can keep up the quality. And brush out the minor hickups like Amos not needing oxygen and how the hell Anna got into the rosinante ... Whatever :)
Never come back XD ahahaha wait a season, everyone would be flocking to portals
Graveyard of gaients..
Tereorfying as hell
chills
Holy Shit, we in trouble😨👻
Sweet mother of god do not let it be a Brother Moon
this is such a spoiler, dialogue and character wise... surely there is no way those two find each other in the beginning of e12...?
who picks these -.-
Mass effect!
Necromorph's are comming!
Holy space....
The people who built the original internet in meme space are still here..........☺
AWESOME
Berserkers?
Five people need to be spaced
Fermi Paradox
Trying to build a what??
a road
Como assim sair daqui como an vocês querem sair do sistema que
Oh shit!
Holy crap
And then, they all go back into the ring in season 4... The last two seasons are not as good as season 3.
It Must be reapers
Think bigger.
WAY bigger.
Peter Pain
Yeah way bigger is right.
(Slight Spoilers)
The "Gate Builders" would wreck the Reapers in a fight and something they couldn't see was wiping them out. They got so desperate they started blowing up their own star systems in a last-ditch effort to kill their "Unseen Enemy" and they still got wiped out.
I want William Shatner to portray Admiral Winston Duarte.
Oh man that would be INSPIRED casting.
Honestly I'd prefer Edward James Olmos
Olmos, yes...
So say we all? =p
So sway we all
Necromorphs...
Holden being edgy, again.
Dan B The Brown Box how ?
He is being quite dark with his visions
Dont know how he could have made visions of an advanced alien civilization been destroyed by something unknown sound light & upbeat 🤷🏽♂️
Jorgeduardop thank you
He's just saying what he saw. How is that being edgy? He literally saw entire solar systems being destroyed, suns going supernova
Portal Storm
Crikey, scary.
But no one listened...