@J king is an open liar, when he was confronted for lying about islam he smiled and laughed off. He went off saying islam believes God can have a son and states in the Quran. Only Christian's believed him.
What is needed here is further research though I don't know how many early mosques there are left to find. I'm willing to bet heavily that Gibson will be vindicated and his work is about to become the new paradigm in Qibla scholarship while King and his work will be relegated to the sad list of outmoded establishment irrelevancies hopelessly defended by famous last words!
Very interesting. Academic work should be accurate, fair and reasonable on conclusions. I know some universities put a moratorium on Ph D theses for as much as 50 years. Way out of this is to write a separate book on the subject in a diplomatic way., keep it mild. Nowadays you are doing well by the youtube and short papers. Dr King's own recommended ideas for further research should be also discussed. I think on that front Mr Gibson is well ahead. I think Mr Gibson is due for an honorary Ph D.
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@ In like manner, can I test you? What is 1 * 1 * 1? 1 or 3? When you can actually discuss the subject with some level of intelligibility, then you might find yourself having a decent and enlightening conversation. Until that time comes, one cannot expect you to be able to use the mind that has been given to you by the Almighty Holy Creator God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit).
@@hillstrong715 you have a great answer here. It also implies to me that God have more than one dimension. Your answer reminds me of that. What a surprise! God is more complex than a human. LOL.
@ your idea is not new and has been used by other Muslim apologists. It implies to me that the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are three distinct persons. An analogy is you consider three rods of steel and ask me if they are one or three. I answer in the Hill Strong's way by putting those three rods in three orthogonal directions and I have a summit of a cube. That's the product of 1 by 1 by 1. It's only an analogy. The Hindus have distinct rods of steel, millions of them. They never ever put them together in one god. Your answer put Zeus and Athena into one god. Ask the Greek mythology about it!
@ You still have an interesting mischaracterisation which I did point out to you in another of the threads. Still interesting in that you haven't taken time out to actually discover for yourself the facts of the matter.
@@didierfavre2356 Dimensions require space (of some description) and God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) are "outside" of space and time. This particular aspect is not what you would call comprehensible to someone who is inside space and time. We can say such things, we can communicate such things, but we are not able to actually comprehend such things. That's the nature of the beast of being a finite trying to comprehend the infinite.
If Islam was real and truthful. They should be able to allow critics to criticize the religion. But for the fact that they don't want it to be criticized then, they already know it's has a lot of falsehood in it. That alone is an eye opener.
On one of the voyages Captain James Cook undertook, a clock was built to accurately determine his navigational position. As luck would have it, the clock broke down midway through. Cook was able to reset the clock within a second by using the stars. If that ability existed then, it would come as no surprise that long distance directions could be accurately determined.
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Liberals in Sweden are not doing the fallacy you describe. And the sceptic community I am in contact with in USA is not afraid to criticize Islam. Surprisingly the American atheists I know have no problems with your arguments.
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I would hate to think what direction the world would have taken if these guys had not embarked on their ministry. (As well as all the other people tackling Islam).
Again I dont want to Criticise Al Fadi but @7:30 King is not telling the likes of him "Don't use Ultra violet light to expose hidden writings" The HYPOCRISY is King is suggesting DO USE IT if you discover something that agrees with Islam but if you discover something that CONTRADICTS Islam bury it! Don't even mention it! Which doesn't seem very distant from Uthman burning all Korans that don't agree with the one he wants to promulgate! It is a mindset which is TOTALLY OPPOSED to the rational western idea of academia!
We did talk about this. They were built facing south as a political statement. Look at the dates when they begin, not until 732 AD, when the Abbasids are coming into ascendancy against the Umayyads. Therefore, the authorities of the mosques in Spain and North Africa were waiting to see who would win out, and so, in order to not offend either power, built their Qiblas along a parallel line to a line between Petra and Mecca (facing south by south-east). Once the Abbasids took over, in 749 AD, all of the mosques in these areas then were built with their Qiblas facing directly towards Mecca.
I have but one criticism of this video; at the beginning, when the term "homophobia" was called a real disorder. It is not and never has been. Sadly, this shows just how badly the term has been weaponized, as the work "islamophobia" has.
They learned a valuable lesson from the first of such weaponized words: anti-Semitism. They knew how universally effective such a word could be long before they coined it.
@@Simon.the.Likeable false equivalence. Anti-Semitism has led to the persecution and slaughter of Jews, and that continues right now. There is actual data to back it up, and those who are anti-Semetic brush it off or use Islamophobia as a distraction. While people moan about the "rise of Islamophobia", there actually *is* a rise in anti-Semitism. I have seen hatred of Jews rising virulently in just the last few years, and while most of it is still coming from leftists and the same people who cry about Islamphobia and homophobia, I'm seeing a dramatic rise among those who identify as conservatives or politically on the right.
@@Simon.the.Likeable The term "anti-semite" is not a weaponized term. It is, sadly, way too accurate. The typical response to being called an anti-semite is to justify or deflect the bigotry in some way. The new weaponized terms are typically used to distract away from real discrimination and hate, including hatred of Jews. So no, it's not the precedent.
@@AMKB01 The fact that it is such effective blanket strategy proves it has been weaponized. It is applied to BDS when the movement is against a country, not a people. It is applied whenever the concept of Zionism is questioned. Once again, a thing, not a people.
Supported: Dear Dr. Jay Smith, thank you very much for the clearification, which was told the same by Professor to me to change last name to have better future in 2016 in New Zealand. It opened new doors, changed my personality. I changed my last name from DADAMUKHAMEDOV (GRANDFATHER MUKHAMMAD) to AZIMOV. It impacted my acceptance to the western world with good intention.
Why, what's the issue with prophet Mohammed. If you have issue with prophet Mohammed then you have issue with Moses, abraham, david, Noah and even jesus.
@@teefx5681 Just read about his life. He was a womanizer, pedophile, theft, murderer, warlord, cross-dressing , suicidal "prophet" who used "Allah" for his own desires and needs. The quran copypaste a lot of tales from the Jews, Christians, Sabians, etc. And btw Issa in the quran has nothing to do with the real Jesus.
@@julielefebvre1510 can you show the evidence cause I have read his biography and I can not see anything if such nature. Yes he married multiple women who were widows and it was norm in those days people married widows as men died under age, in war. Also you will find this in the bible. So please provide reference.
@@teefx5681 Just the story of his jewish wife make me sick. And you are ok with the fact he had sex slaves and slept with a 9 year old girl. Don't waste my time.
When you buffer criminal trail then you're part and parcel of it,a criminal.That too goes for those who threaten, silence criticism on account of factual damning findings.Big up Pfander films,CIRA Intl et al.
Kudos to Dr Al Fadi & Mr Jay ..for such an Awesome Dissection of Qibla Direction ...And am damn sure Many such Controversies out there ...incl Prophet Muhammad life deeds ... All God or Angel giving wisdom started about some around 2500 years back ...Where civilization & religious belief system much older never talked such Revelation by God or Angel.. Request Dr Al Fadi , Mr Jay & Most Important Mr Dan Gibson to do research on Religious belief systems much older than Islam ... Which were existing and still exists ...They never claim any Revelation by God or by Angel ... Does those religions / Civilization talk about such Revelation is one person's vendetta to define others who never claims such Revelation ? Once again Kudos to Dr Al Fadi & Jay Smith & To Mr Dan Gibson ... especially...
Whatever your rantings are guys, there is an existing Qibla in Mecca we Muslims have been facing for hundreds of years and will continue to face in our prayers and visit for Pilgrimage. If you are sincere, you would study this city rather than wasting your time and the time of other people.
It is disgusting that Western Academics have not been allowed to be honest about Islam! So much for academic freedom in the West over the last thirty years.
@9 mins XENOphobia is tied to racism so Islamiaphobic is linked to calling someone a hater a facist and a racist. In fact I would ask "What is fascism?" FASCISM in my view is based on believing a group of people are better than any other group and should be master over them. The Master Race, The "best of people" when others are "the worst of people". Such "lesser people" should be "driven to the side of the road". If anything criticises their position, it had to be denounced as lies and hatred! According to that definition What sort of groups today are really fascist?
Gibson is CONFIRMING using standard methodology that Qiblas faced Petra! Science and Gibson is interested in where Qiblas ACTUALLY FACE not in OPINIONS ABOUT where people think they face! King is interested in making Islam look good and attacking anything that might not make Islam look correct.
So King Your On A Sinking Ship and You Have A Perfectly Good Way To Live and Not Drown Do You Negat The Life Boat and Take Your Chances Swiming To Safety or Use the Life Boat and increase Your Chances to Survive....I Would Use The Tool(s) to Give Me A Higher Percentage To Survive....If I'm islamphobic You Are Christianityphobic and Jesusphobic.....So King Would Wear A SunDial On His Wrist instead of a Modern Wristwatch.....!!!! Don't You Dare Say That Immediately Implicates You Are Afraid Of Hearing The Truth....!!!!
I know why you guys go on with this subject its bc the Quran says that Jesus a.s. never died! That brings all your believes in christianity in doubt! But you should instead of trying to avenge something just accepted! We know that the Prophet was in Mecca and we know that Abdu Mutalib is burried there! Like i said your sources tabari , al bukhari , muslim etc are weak! Come with the Quran not hadith! Hadith means theorie! We want facts not theorie!
David King has seriously embarrassed himself with his Petra Fallacy essay. The essay is not only lacking in modern scholarship but also tries to insulate himself by calling others bigots and Islamophobes. It is long past time that King retire and remain silent on issue he does not understand.
If Dr. King is going to have the attitude that you can't challenge anything Muslim then his position shouldn't go to a professor but instead should be held by an imam.
@6:44 I hesitate to Correct Jay but I do so as it proves King is wrong! Nabeteans may have been the only ones ON LAND in that region of the world to navigate the desert. But The Pulawatt Natives did it in canoes! The Third of these "East is a Big Bird" ( the Big Bird being what we call the constellation Orion) is worth a read. It shows haw very "low level "technological societies CAN and DO develop extremely accurate ways to measure things! King is wrong! and there is a large volume of published work on this! Literacy is apparently also not necessary for the acquisition of sophisticated conceptual structures. Neisser (1976) was one of the first to make this point. Drawing on the work of Gladwyn (1970) with the Pulawatt, Neisser pointed out that the navigational competence of this group was remarkable. With the knowledge acquired from their elders, young Pulawatt men traveled thousands of miles across uncharted stretches of ocean in small outrigger canoes and arrived precisely at their intended destination. This remarkable achievement did not appear to depend on any formal logical system of the sort that Piaget postulated or on literacy or the use of modern Western artifacts such as a compass or a map. On the other hand, it clearly did depend on the acquisition of a complex knowledge structure: one that entailed principled and sophisticated understanding of celestial movements in the region and that utilized this understanding for navigational purposes (Oatley, 1977) epdf.pub/conceptual-development-piagets-legacy-jean-piaget-symposium-series.html Neisser, U. (1976). Cognition and reality: Principles and implications of cognitive psychology. San Francisco: Freeman. Oatley, K. (1977). Inference, navigation and cognitive maps. In P. N. Johnson-Laird & P. Waron (Eds.), Thinking: Readings in cognitive science. Cambridge, England: Cambridge University Press. Gladwyn, T. (1970). East is a big bird: Navigation and logic on a Pulawatt atoll. Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press.
Thanks Bart, that's a good distinction. I think I was only referring to the deserts in this case since the use of Kabal and sextants were well known and used on the high sees.
@@pfanderfilms they had no sextants or tables or instruments. In 500 years none of them are known to have got lost. But my point is Kings historians fallacy is wrong when applied to Gibson but ironicallt it is correct when applied to himself! As you point out. Im only showing it isnt necessary to have GPS and other modern technology to be accurate to the degree the nabateans were. Even only 150 yeats ago lighthouses were built over 100 feet up on rocks using manual labour. A storm took some cap stones off a wall 30 years ago and when a doccumentary interviewer asked why they didnt put them back he said they dont know how to. Trying to get a crane up a 100 foot cliff is prohibitive. Like the pyramids the victorian lighthouse builders with say ten men has ways to move these blocks thst ee have forgotten. Another point is the koran comes from an oral culture. People in oral cultures have ways of memorising eg music, metre, repitition. Once writing comes in these techniques become forgotten. The whole isnad idea is a later artefact. Preserving the story is more important in an oral culture than remembering who told it to you. But Islam puts more emphasis on chains than on what the hadith says. This is another reversal of cultural tools used.
Sir, I do love your idea. You're telling me it's possible to think outside the Piaget's box. You're allowing poetry. You're allowing creativity in the thought process. You're showing me that the human brain is more than only rational. Your observation is more important than I can't say it now. Remember a controversy that started sexual liberation! You're here on such a thing. No clear thought for the moment but the idea is great. Those people tell me it exists ways out of the present-day situation of the world.
@7 mins modern technology wasn't necessary as long as the Nabeteans had developed a culture to make accurate measurements! Just as ancient Celts did or Egyptians did for religious reasons and Pacific natives and desert travellers for trade and survival reasons.
what is happening in this, i think has happened in christian church-societies in the past centuries, when science doubted the religion, there have been warnings, killings, forced silence and massacres. Possibly it's the natural evolution of religions in time, when people advances (themselves in knowledge and technologically-archeologically) Old Religion and Rulers didn't want things to be debated, changed, overturned, because that would have been a starting point that would negatively affect them (you even see how Jesus was undermining the priests-term- of its time) and how the romans were afraid of this 'Jesus', heavy new things bring a change, a change that might overturn things heavily affecting priests and rulers (in the Vatican they know for centuries, even when the Pope used to be like an emperor, they had a state and collected taxes, decided life or death of misbelievers. Religion has a 'core' a good common 'core' common to many religions, then there are rulers of different times and places, taking the religion in hand, like a sword to use it at their own advantage, i think this is what happen after Petra, the guys down there wanted the holy site to be in their backyard, those ruling guys have kept for centuries the site, 'down there' and want to keep it down there. there is no islamophobia here, as core of islam, but rather, questioning who is keeping with energy the places, the artefacts, the control. (before was the abbassids)
I’ve been doing episodes Exposing Islam, Catholic etc On my Facebook. Cause it’s one powerful Spirt very deceptive Behind all these falsehood. They’ve been marked already, except the ones led by the holy Spirit of God. We need to step up expose this darkness as light of this world and show them the way to the father. We don’t do that. Who will the father use. How will they hear if we don’t speak?
hello everyone, jay, al fadi, i only have one question: If God gave the Torah to Moses on mount sini, and Moses gave it to the people of Israel, why would he give other books to other prophets, when as a God, The God, The creator and not created, he does not make mistakes, does not need corrections, does not need to add or diduct anything from what he already said? he is God, perfection! p.s. if Jesus was jewish, and never said to leave jewdehism, and kept jewish laws, why are christians christians and not jewish? aren't you supposed to follow your messiah? just some points to think about, all the best, the head of the tribe of judah, the lion king, head of all the judah lions, king of israel.
I have a question hope someone can answer, I can see solid evidence of Petra theory, but can anyone explain what about Al Hijra of Muhammad to Madinah and his new establishment of an Islamic state there? Do you suggest that this is all a fake story or did Muhammad covered more than 750 km from Petra to Madinah?!!
Good question by my Gut feel says what Islam refers to as Medina it might be likely Damascus, this I say because early Caliphate that is ummayad had it's capital as Damascus, it was one of the most important centres if trade, scholars, Jews business also the John the Father of church in Damascus had refered to Muhammad.
Great research.. doesn't change Islam at all. If man has changed the qibla then all sins are on him for misleading those of faith. There needs to be a debate and clarification be sought because the Quran urges knowledge and learning seeking truth. . Islam is not at wrong here if true, people are.
@6:32 Actually the north star moves by about a half degree ( as it isnt EXACTLY at the Noirth celestial pole but over long periods of time about 25,000 years... the axis of the Earth "precessess" In 8000 years time Deneb will be the pole star/ But the change in 1400 years isn't much. And their way of calculating north would take it into account anyway to accuracy withing a few degrees. Which ironically is what they had! It is now suggested that at some point in the distant past this cycle was determined by astronomers (A process requiring the prolonged and precise observation of the equinoxial conjunction of the rising sun and the 'suns carrier' behind). Such a discovery goes a long way to understanding the prehistoric fascination with astronomy and the apparent 'will to move mountains' exhibited by the builders of many megalithic monuments. Lockyer observed that prehistoric astronomy was started on the horizon, which would go a long way towards explaining the early development of the English structures called 'Henges', with their built-up banks creating excellent artificial horizons. The Precessionary cycle is measured in 'months' named according to the constellation visible behind the vernal equinox sunrise. We are presently finishing the 'age of Pisces' and will be soon entering the 'age of Aquarius'. It is suggested (and supported by a growing weight of evidence), that this cycle was recognised at least as far back as the age of Taurus, although there are suggestions of recognition as far back as Leo (as represented by the Sphinx at Giza). www.ancient-wisdom.com/precession.htm
If you don't know where's the Qibla you can pray anyway, the caaba is only a house but God is God, even if you're a bit off direction "not intentionally" your prayers will be accepted , and the prove of that is that Muslims used to pray towards Jerusalem then God turned them towards Mecca, which is a prove that Jerusalem and Mecca are merely places and God wants you to focus on him, even if you're outside of earth you can still pray to God no matter where ever you turn your head to.
and here is someome that has a new revelation contrary to the quran. as it commands the direction of prayer to be toward the qiblah. if allah got confused with jerusalem, and then muslims faced the nabatea. then eventually settling on mecca a few 100 years later after mohammed, shows us that the direction was not mecca. this should make us ask why.
@@jaredpetersen277 God wasn't confused between Mecca and Jerusalem God said to mohammad that's my house Jerusalem then Muhammad wasn't so gald about it, but he kept silent because that's a command from God , so God wanted to show him that he knows what he talk to himself even if mohammad doesn't speak, Muhammad wanted the Qibla to be towards Mecca, not Jerusalem so God honored his prophet by making his city the direction of all of the people who will follow him. But God put that wish in mohammad's heart, and the prove is that God sent Abraham with his son to build the Caaba thousands of years before mohammad was born.
@@luckygirl1111 so allah was mohammeds genie. like aisha said, his god harkens to all his needs. well the problem remains though that the qubla direction wasnt mecca in mohammeds time. it only became mecca after his death. so... when did allah change his mind about the location? also, if allah send a witness to all lands and mecca recieved the final witness, then thats wrong, because you just said allah sent abraham to build a house there. so allah already sent a witness to the arabs and he build a sign that lasted thousands of years. allah made another mistake in sending mohammed to them saying they never got a witness yet.
@@jaredpetersen277 dude God isn't a Jin nor a man, and why are you making things up, read more about it, God turned the Qibla to Mecca during mohammad's life.
Did alah ever exist? After 18 years I believe No! Alah was a creation by Nabateans whom were slaughtered by Muhamed and his gang. The man and the book is Islam, but where is alah? Never existed. Let some Nabateans believe their god was married to two of three twin sisters al-uma and al-alat. Maybe a Deamon spoke to muhamed, choked Moe in a cave, causing Moe to try committing suicide. Never alah existed until Moe stole the idea from the same people Moe stole written language, the Nabateans :) they were great, Moe was great at slashing necks in search for prepubescent boy tongues to bless by sucking on. Moe likened to suck on female kids too, how did Moe get his first revelations from al-ah? From Aisha when she was 6yo and Moe was 56 yo
Mr. Al fadhi. May be you could discuss this video ruclips.net/video/lfpUf1VkFn4/видео.html Or maybe it would be interesting if there is debate between you and mr. Sabeel ahmed. Or maybe you could arrange debate between christian prince and mr. Sabeel. This is maybe important because mr. Sabeel also very diligent to put their ideology to schools at usa. Poor them, because in us they dont know what they faced.
Jesus is returning 2025 and his facilitator will appear 2022/2023 to prepare for Jesus returns. Jesus is returning to confront the people who killed him and declare he is the son of Marry and tell people he is Not the son of God Nor did he died for others sins. People need to prepare and accept him and give him love that you loved him.
I am Yahweh your God, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourselves an idol, nor any image of anything that is in the heavens above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: you shall not bow yourself down to them, nor serve them, for I, Yahweh your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and on the fourth generation of those who hate me, and showing loving kindness to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments. - Exodus 20:2-6 Jesus is not a God, nor is Allah, only The Lord Yaweh is God. Leader of the Judah tribe, The lion king, king of Israel.
This is clear islamophobia. You pick on no other religion but Islam. Why? Because you found Christianity and other religions fit their own historical narratives very well except Islam? I assure you that all your islamophobic rantings will only backfire. So please do keep up your rantings…
Great points from Al-Fadi regarding the use of new technologies. As someone born and raised in the UK I have to apologise for King's arrogance.
@J King is a Dhimmi - that is a non-muslim who is subject to his islamic master's (and their money).
@J king is an open liar, when he was confronted for lying about islam he smiled and laughed off. He went off saying islam believes God can have a son and states in the Quran. Only Christian's believed him.
We appreciate you Sirs for your courage and insight. God bless you!
What is needed here is further research though I don't know how many early mosques there are left to find. I'm willing to bet heavily that Gibson will be vindicated and his work is about to become the new paradigm in Qibla scholarship while King and his work will be relegated to the sad list of outmoded establishment irrelevancies hopelessly defended by famous last words!
King accuses Gibson of the "Historian's fallacy" while ironically he commits it himself!
@Angelo Turner what has your comment to do with supression of speech ? Or the historians fallacy?
This is my favourite go-to during the "holidays" from Facebook...
Great series - can't wait for the new one, as well as your study of the Saana manuscript. Good luck AF!
Very interesting. Academic work should be accurate, fair and reasonable on conclusions. I know some universities put a moratorium on Ph D theses for as much as 50 years. Way out of this is to write a separate book on the subject in a diplomatic way., keep it mild. Nowadays you are doing well by the youtube and short papers. Dr King's own recommended ideas for further research should be also discussed. I think on that front Mr Gibson is well ahead. I think Mr Gibson is due for an honorary Ph D.
My subscription was removed, I had to re-subscribe. I love your channel for speaking the Truth without fear of blasphemy laws and apostasy laws. Thank you Jay Smith! You are a great Hero to many in today’s times
Benefit? This has been fantastic! Truth is a blinding light!
Lightning lasting forever !
Thank you both, have learnt so much. Be safe.
Absolutely benefited from these teachings. Keep it coming. “Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.”
@ In like manner, can I test you? What is 1 * 1 * 1? 1 or 3? When you can actually discuss the subject with some level of intelligibility, then you might find yourself having a decent and enlightening conversation. Until that time comes, one cannot expect you to be able to use the mind that has been given to you by the Almighty Holy Creator God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit).
@@hillstrong715 you have a great answer here. It also implies to me that God have more than one dimension. Your answer reminds me of that. What a surprise! God is more complex than a human. LOL.
@ your idea is not new and has been used by other Muslim apologists. It implies to me that the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are three distinct persons. An analogy is you consider three rods of steel and ask me if they are one or three. I answer in the Hill Strong's way by putting those three rods in three orthogonal directions and I have a summit of a cube. That's the product of 1 by 1 by 1. It's only an analogy. The Hindus have distinct rods of steel, millions of them. They never ever put them together in one god. Your answer put Zeus and Athena into one god. Ask the Greek mythology about it!
@ You still have an interesting mischaracterisation which I did point out to you in another of the threads. Still interesting in that you haven't taken time out to actually discover for yourself the facts of the matter.
@@didierfavre2356 Dimensions require space (of some description) and God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) are "outside" of space and time. This particular aspect is not what you would call comprehensible to someone who is inside space and time. We can say such things, we can communicate such things, but we are not able to actually comprehend such things. That's the nature of the beast of being a finite trying to comprehend the infinite.
If Islam was real and truthful. They should be able to allow critics to criticize the religion. But for the fact that they don't want it to be criticized then, they already know it's has a lot of falsehood in it.
That alone is an eye opener.
They will issue Fatwas to stop people from exposing their lies & falsehoods.
God bless you all for revealing the truth and the ugly sides of those that try to hide.
On one of the voyages Captain James Cook undertook, a clock was built to accurately determine his navigational position. As luck would have it, the clock broke down midway through. Cook was able to reset the clock within a second by using the stars. If that ability existed then, it would come as no surprise that long distance directions could be accurately determined.
I really enjoy watching two of you....All facts
I love Muslim converts. It always seems to me that the new nature is more clearly seen in them than is seen in most other Christians.
You guys are great; illuminating, and demonstrate the importance of critical free debate. Keep shining a light on these important issues.
Yes! Of course we have benefited from all the learning. God bless you both!
You are exactly right Al: They were using 'Modern Technology'
Love both of you and your work and videos. Keep them coming.
EXCELLENT summation of an excellent Video series!
Another great presentation. God bless you both✊❤️
Praise the Lord. Be BLESSED people of God.
God bless you brother Al Fadi & all the guests...may our Lord Jesus use this channel to open the eyes of "the blinds" & open the ears of "the deafs", and soften the harden hearts 🙏🙏🏾
Liberals in Sweden are not doing the fallacy you describe. And the sceptic community I am in contact with in USA is not afraid to criticize Islam.
Surprisingly the American atheists I know have no problems with your arguments.
I have appreciated this series, as well as all your presentations!!!
I’m so inspired by your courage.
Really enjoyed this episode. It’s the first time I’ve heard about any of Jays history.
Thank you both so much for this very helpful and valuable teaching. You're doing a great job. God bless you both!
Truthaphobic! I like to help people. If I help certain groups of people I am not phobic against them!
Yes I benifitted, keep up the good work... Jesus/God/Spirit Bless. Peace x
Brilliant! Keep up your good work!
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I am the Good TRUTH SEEKER, not the Bad TRUTH SEEKER.
Truth shall set Islam and King free. Keep up the good work. Thank you!
Love it so much!!! Thanks Al Fadi!!!
I would hate to think what direction the world would have taken if these guys had not embarked on their ministry. (As well as all the other people tackling Islam).
Keep up the Truth! A fan of your content! God Bless you!
COVID19 isolation drinking game: take a sip every time Jay waggles his index finger. (Little sips if you want to last.)
Again I dont want to Criticise Al Fadi but @7:30 King is not telling the likes of him "Don't use Ultra violet light to expose hidden writings" The HYPOCRISY is King is suggesting DO USE IT if you discover something that agrees with Islam but if you discover something that CONTRADICTS Islam bury it! Don't even mention it! Which doesn't seem very distant from Uthman burning all Korans that don't agree with the one he wants to promulgate! It is a mindset which is TOTALLY OPPOSED to the rational western idea of academia!
@18 mins Al Fadi basically says what I just say above so apologies for that.
But I guess we still didn't get where the parallel Qibla's are facing to??
We did talk about this. They were built facing south as a political statement. Look at the dates when they begin, not until 732 AD, when the Abbasids are coming into ascendancy against the Umayyads. Therefore, the authorities of the mosques in Spain and North Africa were waiting to see who would win out, and so, in order to not offend either power, built their Qiblas along a parallel line to a line between Petra and Mecca (facing south by south-east). Once the Abbasids took over, in 749 AD, all of the mosques in these areas then were built with their Qiblas facing directly towards Mecca.
A phobia is an IRRATIONAL fear (what is irrational about fearing people who wear bombs?)
God bless Jay, Al Fadi, Hatun, David Wood, Dan Gibson, Dr Bill Warner!!!
Absolutely fascinating!
I have but one criticism of this video; at the beginning, when the term "homophobia" was called a real disorder. It is not and never has been. Sadly, this shows just how badly the term has been weaponized, as the work "islamophobia" has.
They learned a valuable lesson from the first of such weaponized words: anti-Semitism. They knew how universally effective such a word could be long before they coined it.
@@Simon.the.Likeable false equivalence. Anti-Semitism has led to the persecution and slaughter of Jews, and that continues right now. There is actual data to back it up, and those who are anti-Semetic brush it off or use Islamophobia as a distraction. While people moan about the "rise of Islamophobia", there actually *is* a rise in anti-Semitism. I have seen hatred of Jews rising virulently in just the last few years, and while most of it is still coming from leftists and the same people who cry about Islamphobia and homophobia, I'm seeing a dramatic rise among those who identify as conservatives or politically on the right.
@@AMKB01 Mazel tov, it does not alter the fact that it was the precedent which was used.
@@Simon.the.Likeable The term "anti-semite" is not a weaponized term. It is, sadly, way too accurate. The typical response to being called an anti-semite is to justify or deflect the bigotry in some way. The new weaponized terms are typically used to distract away from real discrimination and hate, including hatred of Jews. So no, it's not the precedent.
@@AMKB01 The fact that it is such effective blanket strategy proves it has been weaponized. It is applied to BDS when the movement is against a country, not a people. It is applied whenever the concept of Zionism is questioned. Once again, a thing, not a people.
" Wuuu tututututututututuuuuu. " Sorry, I just had to. Lol
We shouldn't determine 2+2=4, based on logical methods, such as, addition.
ᏠᏋᏗՇђєᎮཞɨຖፈᏋ 👍🏻 especially when people tells you so or any book. and they say “2+2=5, don’t you dare criticize.”
Supported: Dear Dr. Jay Smith, thank you very much for the clearification, which was told the same by Professor to me to change last name to have better future in 2016 in New Zealand. It opened new doors, changed my personality. I changed my last name from DADAMUKHAMEDOV (GRANDFATHER MUKHAMMAD) to AZIMOV. It impacted my acceptance to the western world with good intention.
I still dont understand how anyone could honor Mohummad for any reason.
Why, what's the issue with prophet Mohammed. If you have issue with prophet Mohammed then you have issue with Moses, abraham, david, Noah and even jesus.
@@teefx5681 Just read about his life. He was a womanizer, pedophile, theft, murderer, warlord, cross-dressing , suicidal "prophet" who used "Allah" for his own desires and needs. The quran copypaste a lot of tales from the Jews, Christians, Sabians, etc. And btw Issa in the quran has nothing to do with the real Jesus.
@@julielefebvre1510 can you show the evidence cause I have read his biography and I can not see anything if such nature. Yes he married multiple women who were widows and it was norm in those days people married widows as men died under age, in war. Also you will find this in the bible. So please provide reference.
@@teefx5681 Just the story of his jewish wife make me sick. And you are ok with the fact he had sex slaves and slept with a 9 year old girl. Don't waste my time.
@@teefx5681 study Islam and you will find out!
When you buffer criminal trail then you're part and parcel of it,a criminal.That too goes for those who threaten, silence criticism on account of factual damning findings.Big up Pfander films,CIRA Intl et al.
Kudos to Dr Al Fadi & Mr Jay ..for such an Awesome Dissection of Qibla Direction ...And am damn sure Many such Controversies out there ...incl Prophet Muhammad life deeds ...
All God or Angel giving wisdom started about some around 2500 years back ...Where civilization & religious belief system much older never talked such Revelation by God or Angel..
Request Dr Al Fadi , Mr Jay & Most Important Mr Dan Gibson to do research on Religious belief systems much older than Islam ... Which were existing and still exists ...They never claim any Revelation by God or by Angel ...
Does those religions / Civilization talk about such Revelation is one person's vendetta to define others who never claims such Revelation ?
Once again Kudos to Dr Al Fadi & Jay Smith & To Mr Dan Gibson ... especially...
This host looks and talks EXACTLY like the Italian priest on Saturday Night Live back in the 70s and 80s...anyone else remember him?
Whatever your rantings are guys, there is an existing Qibla in Mecca we Muslims have been facing for hundreds of years and will continue to face in our prayers and visit for Pilgrimage. If you are sincere, you would study this city rather than wasting your time and the time of other people.
Keep the info available brothers. We will use.
It is disgusting that Western Academics have not been allowed to be honest about Islam! So much for academic freedom in the West over the last thirty years.
great dialogue.
The truth is undefeated.
Hope Abdul gets healthy soon🙏💝
Who was the author of the book that killed him? Do you have a copy (or know where I can get it) ? An English translation?
Thank you. Yes, I am benefited.
@9 mins XENOphobia is tied to racism so Islamiaphobic is linked to calling someone a hater a facist and a racist. In fact I would ask "What is fascism?" FASCISM in my view is based on believing a group of people are better than any other group and should be master over them. The Master Race, The "best of people" when others are "the worst of people". Such "lesser people" should be "driven to the side of the road". If anything criticises their position, it had to be denounced as lies and hatred!
According to that definition What sort of groups today are really fascist?
Anyone who bows to facts and changes his mind.
He mentioned Christian Prince. That guy is AWESOME! Take an hour and listen to one of his videos, they are amazing.
Gibson is CONFIRMING using standard methodology that Qiblas faced Petra!
Science and Gibson is interested in where Qiblas ACTUALLY FACE not in OPINIONS ABOUT where people think they face!
King is interested in making Islam look good and attacking anything that might not make Islam look correct.
So King Your On A Sinking Ship and You Have A Perfectly Good Way To Live and Not Drown Do You Negat The Life Boat and Take Your Chances Swiming To Safety or Use the Life Boat and increase Your Chances to Survive....I Would Use The Tool(s) to Give Me A Higher Percentage To Survive....If I'm islamphobic You Are Christianityphobic and Jesusphobic.....So King Would Wear A SunDial On His Wrist instead of a Modern Wristwatch.....!!!! Don't You Dare Say That Immediately Implicates You Are Afraid Of Hearing The Truth....!!!!
God bless you brothers
May God bless you 🙏❤️
satan does like to be questioned, praise Jesus who shines the light on this darkness, Jesus is GOD ❤
King is souffring from realityphobia or truthphobia.
I know why you guys go on with this subject its bc the Quran says that Jesus a.s. never died! That brings all your believes in christianity in doubt! But you should instead of trying to avenge something just accepted! We know that the Prophet was in Mecca and we know that Abdu Mutalib is burried there! Like i said your sources tabari , al bukhari , muslim etc are weak! Come with the Quran not hadith! Hadith means theorie! We want facts not theorie!
Can anyone provide me link to connect with Dr.Smith, any email its urgent.
Praise the Lord.
David King has seriously embarrassed himself with his Petra Fallacy essay. The essay is not only lacking in modern scholarship but also tries to insulate himself by calling others bigots and Islamophobes. It is long past time that King retire and remain silent on issue he does not understand.
If Dr. King is going to have the attitude that you can't challenge anything Muslim then his position shouldn't go to a professor but instead should be held by an imam.
Why the main media channels in the world not opening a debate
@6:44 I hesitate to Correct Jay but I do so as it proves King is wrong! Nabeteans may have been the only ones ON LAND in that region of the world to navigate the desert. But The Pulawatt Natives did it in canoes!
The Third of these "East is a Big Bird" ( the Big Bird being what we call the constellation Orion) is worth a read. It shows haw very "low level "technological societies CAN and DO develop extremely accurate ways to measure things! King is wrong! and there is a large volume of published work on this!
Literacy is apparently also not necessary for the acquisition of sophisticated conceptual structures. Neisser (1976) was one of the first to make this point. Drawing on the work of Gladwyn (1970) with the Pulawatt, Neisser pointed out that the navigational competence of this group was remarkable. With the knowledge acquired from their elders, young Pulawatt men traveled thousands of miles across uncharted stretches of ocean in small outrigger canoes and arrived precisely at their intended destination. This remarkable achievement did not appear to depend on any formal logical system of the sort that Piaget postulated or on literacy or the use of modern Western artifacts such as a compass or a map. On the other hand, it clearly did depend on the acquisition of a complex knowledge structure: one that entailed principled and sophisticated understanding of celestial movements in the region and that utilized this understanding for navigational purposes (Oatley, 1977)
epdf.pub/conceptual-development-piagets-legacy-jean-piaget-symposium-series.html
Neisser, U. (1976). Cognition and reality: Principles and implications of cognitive psychology. San Francisco: Freeman.
Oatley, K. (1977). Inference, navigation and cognitive maps. In P. N. Johnson-Laird & P. Waron (Eds.), Thinking: Readings in cognitive science. Cambridge, England: Cambridge University Press.
Gladwyn, T. (1970). East is a big bird: Navigation and logic on a Pulawatt atoll. Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press.
Thanks Bart, that's a good distinction. I think I was only referring to the deserts in this case since the use of Kabal and sextants were well known and used on the high sees.
@@pfanderfilms they had no sextants or tables or instruments. In 500 years none of them are known to have got lost. But my point is Kings historians fallacy is wrong when applied to Gibson but ironicallt it is correct when applied to himself! As you point out. Im only showing it isnt necessary to have GPS and other modern technology to be accurate to the degree the nabateans were. Even only 150 yeats ago lighthouses were built over 100 feet up on rocks using manual labour. A storm took some cap stones off a wall 30 years ago and when a doccumentary interviewer asked why they didnt put them back he said they dont know how to. Trying to get a crane up a 100 foot cliff is prohibitive. Like the pyramids the victorian lighthouse builders with say ten men has ways to move these blocks thst ee have forgotten.
Another point is the koran comes from an oral culture. People in oral cultures have ways of memorising eg music, metre, repitition. Once writing comes in these techniques become forgotten. The whole isnad idea is a later artefact. Preserving the story is more important in an oral culture than remembering who told it to you. But Islam puts more emphasis on chains than on what the hadith says. This is another reversal of cultural tools used.
Sir, I do love your idea. You're telling me it's possible to think outside the Piaget's box. You're allowing poetry. You're allowing creativity in the thought process. You're showing me that the human brain is more than only rational. Your observation is more important than I can't say it now. Remember a controversy that started sexual liberation! You're here on such a thing. No clear thought for the moment but the idea is great. Those people tell me it exists ways out of the present-day situation of the world.
@7 mins modern technology wasn't necessary as long as the Nabeteans had developed a culture to make accurate measurements! Just as ancient Celts did or Egyptians did for religious reasons and Pacific natives and desert travellers for trade and survival reasons.
2:02 Dr. Gibson made me islamaphobic. 😼
True story! 🤞🏻😆
After first watching Dan Gibson I thought he was from a different Sect of Islam. He believes what he says and I thought he followed it!
Where does King's funding come from? Follow the money.
jelongva 👌👍🙏
what is happening in this, i think has happened in christian church-societies in the past centuries, when science doubted the religion, there have been warnings, killings, forced silence and massacres. Possibly it's the natural evolution of religions in time, when people advances (themselves in knowledge and technologically-archeologically) Old Religion and Rulers didn't want things to be debated, changed, overturned, because that would have been a starting point that would negatively affect them (you even see how Jesus was undermining the priests-term- of its time) and how the romans were afraid of this 'Jesus', heavy new things bring a change, a change that might overturn things heavily affecting priests and rulers (in the Vatican they know for centuries, even when the Pope used to be like an emperor, they had a state and collected taxes, decided life or death of misbelievers. Religion has a 'core' a good common 'core' common to many religions, then there are rulers of different times and places, taking the religion in hand, like a sword to use it at their own advantage, i think this is what happen after Petra, the guys down there wanted the holy site to be in their backyard, those ruling guys have kept for centuries the site, 'down there' and want to keep it down there. there is no islamophobia here, as core of islam, but rather, questioning who is keeping with energy the places, the artefacts, the control. (before was the abbassids)
David King is trying to do to Dan Gibson what Vatican did to Gallileo.
Facts + truth = Islamophobia
I’ve been doing episodes Exposing Islam, Catholic etc On my Facebook. Cause it’s one powerful Spirt very deceptive Behind all these falsehood. They’ve been marked already, except the ones led by the holy Spirit of God. We need to step up expose this darkness as light of this world and show them the way to the father. We don’t do that. Who will the father use. How will they hear if we don’t speak?
Is this the closing episode ?
Yes
hello everyone, jay, al fadi, i only have one question:
If God gave the Torah to Moses on mount sini, and Moses gave it to the people of Israel, why would he give other books to other prophets, when as a God, The God, The creator and not created, he does not make mistakes, does not need corrections, does not need to add or diduct anything from what he already said? he is God, perfection!
p.s. if Jesus was jewish, and never said to leave jewdehism, and kept jewish laws, why are christians christians and not jewish? aren't you supposed to follow your messiah?
just some points to think about, all the best, the head of the tribe of judah, the lion king, head of all the judah lions, king of israel.
by why did judaism says christian is idolatory and furthermore jews can pray in a mosque but not in a church?
Why aren't those Jews.... Muslims ?
Ex Muslim. Not part of this violent religion anymore. Relief to leave this violent and created religion.
qibla what is prescribed by Quran. no controversy about it,unless someone wants to make an issue out of it.
Link to the Lecture Jay did in Hong Kong:
ruclips.net/video/OEv0WY2dh7A/видео.html
I have a question hope someone can answer, I can see solid evidence of Petra theory, but can anyone explain what about Al Hijra of Muhammad to Madinah and his new establishment of an Islamic state there? Do you suggest that this is all a fake story or did Muhammad covered more than 750 km from Petra to Madinah?!!
Good question by my Gut feel says what Islam refers to as Medina it might be likely Damascus, this I say because early Caliphate that is ummayad had it's capital as Damascus, it was one of the most important centres if trade, scholars, Jews business also the John the Father of church in Damascus had refered to Muhammad.
18:20 'don't publish something that wants to touch/alter the tradition
Great research.. doesn't change Islam at all. If man has changed the qibla then all sins are on him for misleading those of faith. There needs to be a debate and clarification be sought because the Quran urges knowledge and learning seeking truth. . Islam is not at wrong here if true, people are.
wow.. seems Allah has tricked not only chirstians with the false bible but muslims too, with the false place..
The Muslim have kibla that is declared by Allah in the Quran . The Mecca is a place declared by Allah unlike Rome is not in the bible.
@6:32 Actually the north star moves by about a half degree ( as it isnt EXACTLY at the Noirth celestial pole but over long periods of time about 25,000 years... the axis of the Earth "precessess" In 8000 years time Deneb will be the pole star/ But the change in 1400 years isn't much. And their way of calculating north would take it into account anyway to accuracy withing a few degrees. Which ironically is what they had!
It is now suggested that at some point in the distant past this cycle was determined by astronomers (A process requiring the prolonged and precise observation of the equinoxial conjunction of the rising sun and the 'suns carrier' behind). Such a discovery goes a long way to understanding the prehistoric fascination with astronomy and the apparent 'will to move mountains' exhibited by the builders of many megalithic monuments. Lockyer observed that prehistoric astronomy was started on the horizon, which would go a long way towards explaining the early development of the English structures called 'Henges', with their built-up banks creating excellent artificial horizons.
The Precessionary cycle is measured in 'months' named according to the constellation visible behind the vernal equinox sunrise. We are presently finishing the 'age of Pisces' and will be soon entering the 'age of Aquarius'. It is suggested (and supported by a growing weight of evidence), that this cycle was recognised at least as far back as the age of Taurus, although there are suggestions of recognition as far back as Leo (as represented by the Sphinx at Giza).
www.ancient-wisdom.com/precession.htm
If you don't know where's the Qibla you can pray anyway, the caaba is only a house but God is God, even if you're a bit off direction "not intentionally" your prayers will be accepted , and the prove of that is that Muslims used to pray towards Jerusalem then God turned them towards Mecca, which is a prove that Jerusalem and Mecca are merely places and God wants you to focus on him, even if you're outside of earth you can still pray to God no matter where ever you turn your head to.
and here is someome that has a new revelation contrary to the quran. as it commands the direction of prayer to be toward the qiblah.
if allah got confused with jerusalem, and then muslims faced the nabatea.
then eventually settling on mecca a few 100 years later after mohammed, shows us that the direction was not mecca.
this should make us ask why.
@@jaredpetersen277 God wasn't confused between Mecca and Jerusalem God said to mohammad that's my house Jerusalem then Muhammad wasn't so gald about it, but he kept silent because that's a command from God , so God wanted to show him that he knows what he talk to himself even if mohammad doesn't speak, Muhammad wanted the Qibla to be towards Mecca, not Jerusalem so God honored his prophet by making his city the direction of all of the people who will follow him.
But God put that wish in mohammad's heart, and the prove is that God sent Abraham with his son to build the Caaba thousands of years before mohammad was born.
@@luckygirl1111 so allah was mohammeds genie. like aisha said, his god harkens to all his needs.
well the problem remains though that the qubla direction wasnt mecca in mohammeds time. it only became mecca after his death.
so... when did allah change his mind about the location?
also, if allah send a witness to all lands and mecca recieved the final witness, then thats wrong, because you just said allah sent abraham to build a house there.
so allah already sent a witness to the arabs and he build a sign that lasted thousands of years.
allah made another mistake in sending mohammed to them saying they never got a witness yet.
@@jaredpetersen277 dude God isn't a Jin nor a man, and why are you making things up, read more about it, God turned the Qibla to Mecca during mohammad's life.
Did alah ever exist? After 18 years I believe No! Alah was a creation by Nabateans whom were slaughtered by Muhamed and his gang. The man and the book is Islam, but where is alah? Never existed. Let some Nabateans believe their god was married to two of three twin sisters al-uma and al-alat. Maybe a Deamon spoke to muhamed, choked Moe in a cave, causing Moe to try committing suicide. Never alah existed until Moe stole the idea from the same people Moe stole written language, the Nabateans :) they were great, Moe was great at slashing necks in search for prepubescent boy tongues to bless by sucking on. Moe likened to suck on female kids too, how did Moe get his first revelations from al-ah? From Aisha when she was 6yo and Moe was 56 yo
If your claims are true , Show me the grave of Qusai ibn Kilab ibn Murrah in Petra
Mr. Al fadhi. May be you could discuss this video
ruclips.net/video/lfpUf1VkFn4/видео.html
Or maybe it would be interesting if there is debate between you and mr. Sabeel ahmed.
Or maybe you could arrange debate between christian prince and mr. Sabeel.
This is maybe important because mr. Sabeel also very diligent to put their ideology to schools at usa. Poor them, because in us they dont know what they faced.
I love your channel but I have a very busy life, would you make your videos under ten minutes? Get to the PowerPoint faster.
Why Arabs are not contributing to the debate- where the likes of Qaradawi
Jesus is returning 2025 and his facilitator will appear 2022/2023 to prepare for Jesus returns. Jesus is returning to confront the people who killed him and declare he is the son of Marry and tell people he is Not the son of God Nor did he died for others sins. People need to prepare and accept him and give him love that you loved him.
A Christian guy in agreement with a Christian guy debunking another Christian guy debunking a different Christian guy. Peer review - Christian style.
I am Yahweh your God, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourselves an idol, nor any image of anything that is in the heavens above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: you shall not bow yourself down to them, nor serve them, for I, Yahweh your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and on the fourth generation of those who hate me, and showing loving kindness to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.
- Exodus 20:2-6
Jesus is not a God, nor is Allah, only The Lord Yaweh is God.
Leader of the Judah tribe, The lion king, king of Israel.
This is clear islamophobia. You pick on no other religion but Islam. Why? Because you found Christianity and other religions fit their own historical narratives very well except Islam? I assure you that all your islamophobic rantings will only backfire. So please do keep up your rantings…
Eventually it should come dwn to morality religion is der if should you choose