Doing it without T-spins and Holds I can understand. It's like old school Tetris in a way. But doing it without doing a Tetris when there are junk blocks involved? That's ROUGH.
As someone who plays a crap ton of tetris... It is impossible for me to follow that ruleset, muscle memory just takes over whenever I try to do this challenge so I've just given up so it's pretty amazing suisei is able to do it
i've completed the '3 wins in a row' badge many times, i have yet to even get one game completed for this task. it's actually impossible, you can't even play tetris classic style cause you can't do tetrises.
Yeah, I wrote this one off as impossible. I play by instinct. It is not possible to play well and think about it. Especially not in a game like this where time is of the essence at the end. It's also just not fun. Being good at a game is to just play well, not think about every little thing you're doing. If I wanted to think about it I wouldn't bother getting good in the first place.
@@KristopherCharles Muscle memory and instinct are the core components of playing Tetris tbh. As soon as you actively engage in it everything goes to shit. Like breathing, you just don't do it as well when you're thinking about it.
9:58 There comes a point where playing Tetris becomes little more than instinct. Your body just moves on it's own. It knows you want to make the cleanest, most optimal plays, even though you're telling yourself not to. It's impossible to resist the urge. You no longer make the decisions. You are no longer in control.
IIRC In Tetris 99, there's an achievement when you get top 10 without T-Spin, Tetris or Hold... 3 times. That's what Sui-chan is aiming, maybe. Really feels near-impossible IMO, since it basically locks you away from being able to perform nearly everything well - No HOLD means you can't combo for long, especially 4 wide, No Tetris means you can't downstack/clean garbage safely, while no T-Spin means you can't get to efficiently attack and collect kills/badge. To see Sui-chan suffer by her own challenge is kinda satisfying tho
I mean you kinda are forced to play the stall strat and wait for others to be top-out. You can't receive more than 12 garbage lines in your pending queue and moving pieces around on the ground helps stalling unlike classic Tetris, so the strat are perfect for the challenge.
12:41 Pretty sure she said 'this occasion' (この度) and not 'this journey' (この旅) That challenge is insane though. How are you supposed to survive without doing a Tetris with junk blocks???
It's funny seeing Suisei have to literally say, out loud, for several seconds "don't do a T-spin" before her muscle memory finally yields and lets her do something else.
If it's only your block you can leave some space every 4th line, but they come from other players and it's inevitable to do Tetris to win. And no hold at the same time, gosh.
Suisei has learned the "Tetris BUT _________ challenge" category, congrats Suisei Also, it's not like Suisei's withdrawal of doing tetrises, t-spins, or holds is comparable to other people withdrawing themselves of something illegal. It's just that good having it back like fresh air
I'm just a semi-casual Tetris99 player but I agree - I can manage without T-spin, I can manage without Holding, but I don't think I can manage without Tetris 😂 The pleasure of FINALLY being allowed to Hold, T-spin and Tetris is magnificent 👏👏👏 -uh oh this is the power of Restraint Play--
"Pretend to be a newbie who wins by luck" ruleset...Except even newbies do Tetris when the opprtunity is there! This challenge would already be unfair normally but knowing the try-hard monsters who are all over the Tetris community it's nearly impossible. xD
@@azelynhirano ya but more than tetris and t-spin, not being able to swap pieces for the situation prevents you from being able to do chains very easily which is the bigger clutch especially since you can't tetris or t-spin. The challenge would be very easy if you can swap since you can easily just clear lines one at a time for the chain and gives you the firepower to just not get much garbage and even use the garbage to continue your chain. Heck you could even use 4 wide the entire game and just win like that.
@@codeotaku8857 Tetris 99 is a battle royale. It doesn't matter if you don't have the ability to kill others. The only thing that really matters is to stay alive while the other players kill each other. Being able to clear junk piles matter way more than killing other players.
@@azelynhirano correct me if I'm wrong, but... sending lines against garbage clears garbage. Being able to chain means you get less garbage and you stay alive longer. When clearing one line clears all your garbage and even attacks back, everything becomes easy mode and as a bonus even gets you badges to make it even more low-effort. It is precisely because of the power of chains that people purposely move slow when the 4 wides starts to fire since you start to only need to clear one line to get the same result as people doing tetris and tspin so you can easily survive while having more lines to work with. I don't know if people still use the strat, but there a time in tetris 99 that people purposely built all the way to the top to gain the hate of people who use KO as their target and targeted their attackers and sent 1 line at a time to get free wins.
Does the game have a ranking system as well? I would think it would be even harder to get that achievement with what I'm sure her ranking would be. Also, probably the most yabai Suisei has ever been.
It kind of does, but it doesn't effect much. There's a player level system, but the games matchmaking isn't skill-based, so everyone can be matched with everyone.
@@thegreatmammon3075 it varies between Tetris editions but it's basically locking the T in a space that can only be reached by rotating it. IIRC clearing one or more lines that way grants you a larger multiplier for sending junk to the opponent than clearing with a tetris does. Check the end of the clip for an example.
Correct me if I'm wrong since I haven't played Tetris 99, but doesn't the achievement say you cannot do T-Spin, Tetris, *OR* Hold, meaning you can do 2 of the 3 but you just can't do the last one? For example, you can still do T-Spin and Tetris if you choose not to do Hold? Or does the achievement actually want you to not do all 3 and still reach top 10?
I don't think the fact it may have used "or" matters. When a sentence is phrased in the negative (i.e. restrictions/can't do) they are liked by "or" because they are all individual things. I.e. To win, you can't do this or this or this. Even if most of the "ors" can be subsituted with commas, its still connecting independent restrictions. It's only when a question is phrased in the positive that "or" becomes a divider. This is because rather than looking at things in terms of multiple loss variables it is looked at as a "singular" winning condition. I.e. To win, Suisei must do this and this and this. "Or" only implies multiple winning conditions if used in the positive structure, because it breaks up the singular win condition. I can't read Japanese so I can't tell which it is here, but these are the three options in English.
What is Tetris "without Tetris?" That sounds nonsensical to us old Tetris players -- what is a "Tetris" setting on the game of Tetris? New Insanity? Words no longer have meanings? Call a setting "Tetris" to make people crazy? I don't get it. smh
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My girl is Kenpachi adding limiters so she can have more fun.
Imagine if she were to play Tetris with both hands.
Doing it without T-spins and Holds I can understand. It's like old school Tetris in a way. But doing it without doing a Tetris when there are junk blocks involved? That's ROUGH.
What is doing it without a Tetris?
@@AnnXYZ666 A Tetris is getting 4 lines at once with an I piece.
Yeah honestly, that last rule just seems really dumb..
@@umbaupause It's all in the downstack.
"shibari play is fun"
also
"i wanna put it in so badly!"
- suisei 2022
*Shounen sweat nervously*
Suisex
@@shanehunts342 clearly a man of culture
Glad im not the only one that heard this lmfao
What shibari
9:59 when muscle memory kicks in before you are even aware
U can tell how much tetris is in suichan's muscle memories.
she has to limit herself to match us plebs
This is basically "How to be 90's Tetris player"
90's Tetris player was about doing Tetris, not 3-wide or 4-wide
Indeed w
Exactly
Yea it is how to be a 90’s tetris player without the tetris part tho
you mean
how to be wide player
Just want to help you with the term:
- "2 raw lanes" -> "2-wide"
- "4 raw lanes" -> "4-wide"
9:57 You can see the exact moment when auto-pilot takes over
7:50 "Look at Sui-chan's serious gaze"
me looking at her: "Looks quite normal."
Sui-chan: "I'm serious."
me: "I see."
Just like that "drop the 1-Ton weighted bracelet" in anime
As someone who plays a crap ton of tetris... It is impossible for me to follow that ruleset, muscle memory just takes over whenever I try to do this challenge so I've just given up so it's pretty amazing suisei is able to do it
i've completed the '3 wins in a row' badge many times, i have yet to even get one game completed for this task. it's actually impossible, you can't even play tetris classic style cause you can't do tetrises.
Is it possible to unbind the hold key just for this challenge?
Yeah, I wrote this one off as impossible.
I play by instinct. It is not possible to play well and think about it. Especially not in a game like this where time is of the essence at the end.
It's also just not fun. Being good at a game is to just play well, not think about every little thing you're doing.
If I wanted to think about it I wouldn't bother getting good in the first place.
@@KristopherCharles Muscle memory and instinct are the core components of playing Tetris tbh. As soon as you actively engage in it everything goes to shit. Like breathing, you just don't do it as well when you're thinking about it.
Sui-Chan : This is hard!
Sui-Chan's dad, probably : Child's play
9:58 There comes a point where playing Tetris becomes little more than instinct. Your body just moves on it's own. It knows you want to make the cleanest, most optimal plays, even though you're telling yourself not to.
It's impossible to resist the urge. You no longer make the decisions. You are no longer in control.
The mix of pain and pleasure in her voice while engaging in shibari play is top notch.
"let's just aim to be a pokemon master,let's do that,let's just stop this" - suisen chan art of tetris -
10:38
IIRC In Tetris 99, there's an achievement when you get top 10 without T-Spin, Tetris or Hold... 3 times. That's what Sui-chan is aiming, maybe.
Really feels near-impossible IMO, since it basically locks you away from being able to perform nearly everything well - No HOLD means you can't combo for long, especially 4 wide, No Tetris means you can't downstack/clean garbage safely, while no T-Spin means you can't get to efficiently attack and collect kills/badge.
To see Sui-chan suffer by her own challenge is kinda satisfying tho
So basically she is playing the game with only the features that was available in early versions of Tetris.
@@luckyvernhelar6643 only you're not allowed to clear 4 lines at once.
okay that is hard. thank you the info
I mean you kinda are forced to play the stall strat and wait for others to be top-out.
You can't receive more than 12 garbage lines in your pending queue and moving pieces around on the ground helps stalling unlike classic Tetris, so the strat are perfect for the challenge.
@@luckyvernhelar6643 except for, y'know... The one feature that the entire game is named after.
"shibari play is fun" - suisei 2022
Suisei awakened to shibari play. Basically a bdsm play
You can tell that she's actually finding this challenging and fun, her Tetris addiction is blooming once more and it is beautiful~
This probably just speaks to how much of a filthy casual I am... but I never hold anyways xD
8:01 Casually pauses mid game to resist the urge to t-spin (and have a brief existential crisis)
This restriction is quite similar with how I used to play Tetris on my old gameboy advance w thanks as always for the great clip! :)
12:41
Pretty sure she said 'this occasion' (この度)
and not 'this journey' (この旅)
That challenge is insane though. How are you supposed to survive without doing a Tetris with junk blocks???
She’s too OP hahaha
Thanks for the translations!
Suisei's Tetris skills always blow me away
It's funny seeing Suisei have to literally say, out loud, for several seconds "don't do a T-spin" before her muscle memory finally yields and lets her do something else.
suiseis training arc: soon she will be defeating yagoo
Feels like the devs decided to put in that achievement just to remind the top players the importance of those things 😂
Or they're just sadist 🤣
Life's more fun with some challenge.
Listening to the stream was crazy enough already so nice to see the highlights.
Thanks for clipping!
Meanwhile, there’s me, who doesn’t even know what a T-spin is and who always forgets that you can [Hold].
If it's only your block you can leave some space every 4th line, but they come from other players and it's inevitable to do Tetris to win. And no hold at the same time, gosh.
I think I finally understand Tetris lingo now.
So many great lines to take out of context...
The magic of restricted play has been discovered.
11:46 WHAT?! What is this sorcery?!
This challenge was probably only possible back when they first introduced the achievements.
it's even harder for her, because she has to go against her instinct + muscle memory
Weighted clothes training.
0:49 She did a T-Spin
but she actually realized that she held so that doesn't count lol
Suichan is a real anime protagonist. A prince, if you would.
Suisei has learned the "Tetris BUT _________ challenge" category, congrats Suisei
Also, it's not like Suisei's withdrawal of doing tetrises, t-spins, or holds is comparable to other people withdrawing themselves of something illegal. It's just that good having it back like fresh air
I'm just a semi-casual Tetris99 player but I agree - I can manage without T-spin, I can manage without Holding, but I don't think I can manage without Tetris 😂
The pleasure of FINALLY being allowed to Hold, T-spin and Tetris is magnificent 👏👏👏 -uh oh this is the power of Restraint Play--
YABE
"Restriction play really is fun."
- Suisei, possibly M
Thanks for the clips yuna
She isn't even playing Tetris at that point. She's playing
She already T-spinned in 0:51 and didn't even notice 😂
Also did a tetris at 1:55
2 thing i'll never understand:
1. Ollie playing chess
2. Suisei & my wife IRL playing tetris
Is this how people get into things like denial and bondage?
T spin is love T is life kimochiiii
Man that explain why i always lose. I play like this all the time cuz i dunno how to do the pro moves lol
7:23 holy... what is... this tower 😂
"Restriction play is really fun"
I'm rubbing my eyes... Did she really just said that a year ago?
Comet difficulty
"Pretend to be a newbie who wins by luck" ruleset...Except even newbies do Tetris when the opprtunity is there! This challenge would already be unfair normally but knowing the try-hard monsters who are all over the Tetris community it's nearly impossible. xD
7:00 Restriction (Shibari) play really is fun
Naruhodo? 😳😳😳
the next challenge would be to play tetris without the game installed. that will be the hardest
sui-chan is broken at the end
This is just the 4 wide only challenge
All Tetris difficulties:
-easy
-medium
-hard
-very hard
-Suisei
-Amemiya
11:05 Sui-chan coping hard LOL
Hold is probably the hardest part about this.
Not holding will take a few games to get used to, but not being able to clear out junk piles quickly is a bigger handicap imo.
@@azelynhirano ya but more than tetris and t-spin, not being able to swap pieces for the situation prevents you from being able to do chains very easily which is the bigger clutch especially since you can't tetris or t-spin. The challenge would be very easy if you can swap since you can easily just clear lines one at a time for the chain and gives you the firepower to just not get much garbage and even use the garbage to continue your chain. Heck you could even use 4 wide the entire game and just win like that.
@@codeotaku8857 Tetris 99 is a battle royale. It doesn't matter if you don't have the ability to kill others. The only thing that really matters is to stay alive while the other players kill each other. Being able to clear junk piles matter way more than killing other players.
@@azelynhirano correct me if I'm wrong, but... sending lines against garbage clears garbage. Being able to chain means you get less garbage and you stay alive longer. When clearing one line clears all your garbage and even attacks back, everything becomes easy mode and as a bonus even gets you badges to make it even more low-effort. It is precisely because of the power of chains that people purposely move slow when the 4 wides starts to fire since you start to only need to clear one line to get the same result as people doing tetris and tspin so you can easily survive while having more lines to work with. I don't know if people still use the strat, but there a time in tetris 99 that people purposely built all the way to the top to gain the hate of people who use KO as their target and targeted their attackers and sent 1 line at a time to get free wins.
Challenge. *PLAY LIKE A SCRUB TO TOP 10* really is what it is lol
Imagine Suisei playing Classic Tetris
What a "mino"?
The blocky shapes are actually named tetriminos
What the guy above said plus, the full name is tetrimino
TIL Tetris company decided to officially spell this differently from the standard mathematical term ("tetromino")
My dumbass thought "no tetris" is a joke and she just dont play tetris lmao
The best way to win.
Welcome to 90s version.
This is challenging your OCD Lmao
Shibari play huh...
how about using DDR pad to control the game next time?
Does the game have a ranking system as well? I would think it would be even harder to get that achievement with what I'm sure her ranking would be.
Also, probably the most yabai Suisei has ever been.
It kind of does, but it doesn't effect much. There's a player level system, but the games matchmaking isn't skill-based, so everyone can be matched with everyone.
4-liner suisei!
Rules:
1. No Tetris
2. No T Spins
3. No Hold
Wait, if your playing tetris but the rules say...
so the challenge was to play NES Tetris?
NES Tetris without the tetris.
… and with 98 other people out to hurt you.
7:00
this reminds me of
cultris
Was she playing in VIP (Invictus)? If so I bet she'd be able to get this emblem in regular...
I always play like that lmao
No head?
I know what a t-spin is, but what is no tetris or no hold?
Tetris is when you clear four lines at once.
Hold is when you store the current piece in the holding area in the top left.
@@顔boom ah so hold is like reserve the piece to trying tetris thanks
I know both of them but what the hell is a t-spin!!??
@@thegreatmammon3075 it varies between Tetris editions but it's basically locking the T in a space that can only be reached by rotating it. IIRC clearing one or more lines that way grants you a larger multiplier for sending junk to the opponent than clearing with a tetris does.
Check the end of the clip for an example.
game name?
what kind of tetris is this
Tetris 99
Correct me if I'm wrong since I haven't played Tetris 99, but doesn't the achievement say you cannot do T-Spin, Tetris, *OR* Hold, meaning you can do 2 of the 3 but you just can't do the last one? For example, you can still do T-Spin and Tetris if you choose not to do Hold? Or does the achievement actually want you to not do all 3 and still reach top 10?
I don't think the fact it may have used "or" matters. When a sentence is phrased in the negative (i.e. restrictions/can't do) they are liked by "or" because they are all individual things. I.e. To win, you can't do this or this or this. Even if most of the "ors" can be subsituted with commas, its still connecting independent restrictions.
It's only when a question is phrased in the positive that "or" becomes a divider. This is because rather than looking at things in terms of multiple loss variables it is looked at as a "singular" winning condition. I.e. To win, Suisei must do this and this and this.
"Or" only implies multiple winning conditions if used in the positive structure, because it breaks up the singular win condition. I can't read Japanese so I can't tell which it is here, but these are the three options in English.
Just to confirm, this achievement requires you to avoid all of those mechanics.
It's pretty easy to get top 10 without T-spins.
What is Tetris "without Tetris?"
That sounds nonsensical to us old Tetris players -- what is a "Tetris" setting on the game of Tetris?
New Insanity? Words no longer have meanings? Call a setting "Tetris" to make people crazy?
I don't get it. smh
I looked it up and apparently, “Tetris” is when you clear 4 lines at once (in other words, using the I-piece)
A Tetris refers to clearing 4 lines with a single piece
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