"Okay now I've entered the Eastern Orthodox province, it looks a lot prettier than this once you get into it I promise. In fact I think this is the prettiest province in my whole minecraft server because the Eastern Orthodox christians on this minecraft server are very dedicated to spending a lot of time playing minecraft, and a lot of time online." -RZ somehow both complementing and demolishing the Eastern Orthodox with two sentences.
This is RZ in general. If you're a Nicene Christian denomination he'll compliment and insult you at the same time. If you're Mormon or JW, he'll just take pot-shots.
“Do Christians and Muslims worship the same God?” Catholics: no [Insert geographical location] Orthodox: no Presbyterians: no Anglicans/Episcopalians: no Methodists: no Congregationalists: no Baptists: no Lutherans: no Pentecostals: no WE’VE DONE IT! ECUMENISM ACHIEVED!!! 🎊 🥳✝️☦️🎈🎉
As a reformed christian from indonesia, thank you so much for this video! As opposed to struggling with liberalism and christian sectarianism, we instead struggle with islam and religious pluralism down here!
DISCLAIMER I'm not saying that muslims here are actively hunting us down or anything. As a matter of fact, Indonesia is one of the most safest "muslim country" out there and evangelization is permitted by the government. I personally have many muslim friends with whom i converse often in inter-faith dialogues. I was just saying that the main opponent of christian worldview in Indonesia is islamic worldview (especially the fundamentalist one) and pluralism ("all religions are the same" view).
3:04 "The Eastern Orthodox churches on this server look so good because Orthodox Christians are very dedicated to spending a lot of time online." Holy crap we just witnessed a murder
>Do Christians and Muslims worship the same God? No. As well, for a theological tradition which supposedly holds Aristotle, and Plotinus, in such high esteem, it is shocking they cannot, or more likely simply refuse to, understand the Trinity. In Aristotle's Metaphysics, he proves that the summit of being, the Unmoved Mover, must be an immaterial intellect, thinking only the best thought, that is, itself. Elsewhere, in his On the Soul, Aristotle shows that when the intellect thinks of it's object, it is made like with, or united to, that object. So, from this, we see that Aristotle has shown that the Unmoved Mover, God, is self-reflexive isomorphic intellection, or, thought thinking itself. To use an Augustinian analogy, God is Thinker/Thought/Thinking, or Subject/Object/Verb, where all three aspects, are, necessarily, God, fully and wholly. As well, Plotinus, building on the work of Aristotle in analyzing the human psyche, shows that we, like God, are "tripartite" in our being. That is, insofar as we exist, we are One/True/Good, all at the same time, corresponding to Plotinus' development of the hypostases of God of the One, the Intellect, and the Soul. All being, of course, relative names, as noted by Aquinas. In the original Greek/Latin discussions of the Trinity, Person was used in the same sense as "persona," or, in the same sense as "act." Thus, God eternally acts, to use a somewhat abused formula, as Father, our Creator, as Son, our Redeemer, and Spirit, our Sanctifier. Note this is NOT modalism, which held that once God is "finished" being our Creator, He "becomes" our Redeemer, then "becomes" our Sanctifier. There is no before or after in Him, no change. The noetic damage of the Fall is profound. I pray that all may come to know, love, and worship the Blessed Triune God, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, in Christ Jesus, our Lord.
Really impressive comment. The trinitarian formula isn't abused but often misunderstood when people anthropomorphise it. The three Persons aren't individuals (if they were and they had the same dignity, they would be three different gods) instead, they must be understood in terms of endings of relationships: Fatherhood-Sonship, Inspirer-Inspired. Each of them "needs" the other to have its own meaning, hence their coexistence and co-eternity. Coming back to Aristotle and Plotinus, I would like to recall that also the so-called Arians came from that background but misunderstood in John 1:1-2 the relation between Λόγος and αρχή. So I think they aren't the first and won't be the last to have hardship with it. Also, a faithful Muslim has already learnt that according to the Qur'an, false Christians had distorted the original Message and now believe in three gods (God, Jesus and Mary) against what عسى (the Qu'ranic Jesus) said. So I understand their difficulties.
Muslims really be like "Your god is so weak that he died". My God is so strong that He conquered death and said "aight I'm taking the entire universe next" 😏
Muslims really be like "Man your god is so weak that he died". My God is so strong that he conquered death and said "aight I'm taking the entire universe next" 😏
Saying that Christians worship the same God as any other religion because they both worship a single God and can agree on some/most of His attributes is comparable to saying that two men are married to the same person because they're both married to a woman and they have some/most of the same attributes.
The most annoying thing in my opinion with this type of discourse is when people say "well Allah means God, so it must be the same" Arguing with etymology instead of theology when talking about RELIGION is hilarious
Galatians 1:6-12 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed. Islam started when an angel allegedly came to Muhammad on a mountain and gave him the Quran. Put two and two together.
Islam does not present a new gospel. If you have read the Quran, you will notice that many of the stories in the Old Testament and the New Testament are repeated almost verbatim, with slight variations in detail. Additionally, if you read the Quran, you will observe that approximately three-quarters of it is directed specifically at Jews and Christians. God addresses His servants who believe in His previous scriptures, informing them that the final book has been revealed and that they should believe in it. To prove my point, just look at the first two pages of the Quran: 'This is the (anticipated) Book! There is no doubt in it. It is a guide for the righteous / those who avoid wrong. Those who believe sincerely in Allah(God in Arabic), establish prayer regularly and continuously, spend from what We have provided for them, believe and trust in what has been revealed to you and what was revealed before you, and have firm faith in the Hereafter-these are the ones who follow the guidance from their Lord. They are the ones who will attain what they hope for.' (2:2-5) And one can say that this is the Quran's summary: "Say, "O People of the Scripture (people who know the holy books that God sent) , experts in your books! Come to an agreement between us and you on the following: Let us not worship anyone except Allah. Let us not associate anything with Him. Let no one among us take others as lords besides Allah." If they turn away, then say, "Bear witness that we are those who have submitted to Allah. (Al-i İmran:64)(By the way, Al-i Imran means the family of Imran, and Imran is the family name of the Virgin Mary. So, the Quran has a 200-verse-long section dedicated to the story of family of the Virgin Mary. This not include the other parts that mentions Jesus and Mary dozens of times.)
Islam does not present a new gospel. If you have read the Quran, you will notice that many of the stories in the Old Testament and the New Testament are repeated almost verbatim, with slight variations in detail. Additionally, if you read the Quran, you will observe that approximately three-quarters of it is directed specifically at Jews and Christians. God addresses His servants who believe in His previous scriptures, informing them that the final book has been revealed and that they should believe in it. To prove my point, just look at the first two pages of the Quran: 'This is the (anticipated) Book! There is no doubt in it. It is a guide for the righteous / those who avoid wrong. Those who believe sincerely in Allah(God in Arabic), establish prayer regularly and continuously, spend from what We have provided for them, believe and trust in what has been revealed to you and what was revealed before you, and have firm faith in the Hereafter-these are the ones who follow the guidance from their Lord. They are the ones who will attain what they hope for.' (2:2-5) And one can say that this is the Quran's summary: "Say, "O People of the Scripture (people who know the holy books that God sent) , experts in your books! Come to an agreement between us and you on the following: Let us not worship anyone except Allah. Let us not associate anything with Him. Let no one among us take others as lords besides Allah." If they turn away, then say, "Bear witness that we are those who have submitted to Allah. (Al-i İmran:64)(By the way, Al-i Imran means the family of Imran, and Imran is the family name of the Virgin Mary. So, the Quran has a 200-verse-long section dedicated to the story of family of the Virgin Mary. This not include the other parts that mentions Jesus and Mary dozens of times.)
There is a Biblical example that supports Pope Francis loosely saying we worship the same God as the Muslims -- the Ninevites. They were polytheists and pagans. But the Bible says after hearing Jonah's warning of impending destruction, they repented and "called on the Lord" with such sincerity that God "heard their cry" and chose not to destroy the city. Now whatever concept they had of God and however poorly formed, God heard their address to him. Note in the Bible, the reference of God is written as Lord (lower case letters) when it involves pagans, but LORD by his chosen people, who have a special or personal relationship with YHWH. One could conclude, as commentators have, God hears the cry of those who desire to communicate with him in spite of their misconceptions of who God is.
St. John of Damascus tore Islam apart. He was born in the 600s and spoken Arabic. He figured out all the errors and was surprisingly good. For instance he realized that Mohammad was taught by an Arian priest
@@장인호-s3m If that were the case, the writer clearly has amnesia and lost all their notes from the previous book. Muslims also claim that the Bible has been corrupted and has been changed (hence Christians thinking that Jesus is God), despite the fact that there is zero archeological, historical, or textual evidence that the Christian view had ever changed from Jesus being God.
““If you love me, you will keep my commandments. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever, even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you.” John 14:15-17 ESV I’ve herd this is used as an argument for the Spirt proceeding from the Father. I’m not sure if its a solid one.
I would say, based on what I've heard, that Christians and Muslims (and Jews, for that matter) all worship the same God, or at least try to. What they disagree on is what that God is like, and how to properly worship him.
@@josiahserrano6651 The early Christians never claimed that unbelieving Jews worshipped a different god. They said that those unbelieving Jews were rejecting the revelation that God was giving them. There's a difference. Muslims have rejected all of the false Near Eastern deities in favor of the true one, the God of Abraham. They just tossed out an important part of the message given by the true God and tried to "establish their own righteousness" outside of the Christian Church (cf. what Paul says about the Jews in Romans 10). They are textbook heretics.
Something so heinous you cannot find a condemnation for the act of child marriage in the whole your divinely inspired scripture. Perhaps this is a modern, liberal argumemt and not a genuinely Christian one?
@@meanderingmangomanthe1stof611 "But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depths of the sea." Matthew 18:6, KJV.
Islam has its roots in Baal worship and pagan arab traditions. All answers to this question are no, whether we consider the complexities of the question or not. Though i did enjoy learning about them
I think what you meant is that Islam came to remove people from paganism and stone worship, and that the prophet Mohammed was punished for it multiple times by his tribe...... and that he destroyed all the idols at a shock from the pagans...........and I think you meant that Islam has its roots from prophet Abraham (our second father after Adam) and that any shape of idol worship is punishable by death........ and I think you meant that the Quran specifically warns people who worship Baal and leave the greatest of creators ( the Israelites and the people of jonah)....... and I think you meant that Islam is the only religions that doesn't tolerate the drawing or the sculpting of idols and it punishes it severely.... Maybe I'm wrong but I think that's what you actually meant.
@@lamzougui101 Yes you are wrong. All Mo did was, eighter, easily being decieved by an "angel of light" (a.k.a satan pretending to be holy according to christian writings), or else, he, as a part trader, combined parts and wisdoms from religions he heard around him and made it his own to gain personal glory, power and dominion. Thats might explain there are contradicting verses, such as the people of the book and the jews having the truth but also the sayings that say a muslim gets a christian or jew to carry their sins in Jahannam
@@marlena. Yeah, number 1 : Satan being the angel of light or the Morningstar is a Christian / pagan roman concept (Venus) and not Islamic, we belief he was a Jinn, because angels are creatures that were created without the the ability to sin or disobey God, their only purpose is to worship and follow God's commands...Number2: If satan told you to love God, Follow his commands, don't worship a Man, destroy idols, kill magicians, be kind, give charity, be humble, pray and fast....and at the same time teach you to curse Satan in every chapter of the Quran, and in prayers, and even when you enter the restroom (belief it or not)...That's fine, we'll follow satan and you follow pagan roman rituals (Sol invectus/ Venus/ 3 essences/ The man god/ the winter solstice/Saturnalia/ and santa claus....), when you kill the monotheists and follow the emperor's wishes (constantine) to have pagan holidays turned into christian, and pagan gods and platonic philosophies turn a prophet of God into God himself to make conversion easy in the roman empire...don't talk to me about satan. number3: yeah, the prophet copied from Christianity but it only copied the right info and not the wrong ones (historic/ scientific/ geographic/ linguistic....), go watch the scientific facts from the Quran (do some research).... number: yes the christian and the jews in their times that died before the last prophet came, the jews with Moses, and the Christians with jesus (they were monotheists by the way) not the J AND C who knew the message of the prophet and still want to stay J and C, that's not allowed (you follow the prophet of your time, and it's the time of Mohammed peace be upon him), even jesus says it in the bible : I was only sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel (not for you).....But the quran says about Mohammed: we have only sent you as a Mercy to the worlds....as for the hadith: yes it is true, but you belief that everyone who doesn't belief in Jesus as his lord and savior will go to hell, so you have no advantage here as well.
@@marlena. Quran 58:19 "Satan has taken hold of them, causing them to forget the remembrance of Allah. They are the party of Satan. Surely Satan’s party is bound to lose." Matthew 12:26 "So if Satan casts out Satan, he is making war on himself. How then could his kingdom stand?" According to gospels, Islam should have been broken and destroyed but it's foundation still exists and is strong following the golden age.
Difference between Muslim and Christians Muslims have the body of Muhammad. Christuans have the ever living savior named Jesus Christ who actually rose from the dead Muslims and all of the religions if the world have no moral concept of sin. Christians have a full understanding of the meaning of sin which is a transgression of God's Law.
Muslims also view the prophets and apostles differently from Christianity. They are taught to believe that the prophets and apostles minus Paul were all practicing Muslims like they are today.
Not only them. They're taught to believe that literally everyone ever was muslim. This is why they have those "Islam invented everything" series. "Gravity? Newton invented that. He was a muslim but didn't know it. Relativity? Einstein invented that. He was a muslim but didn't know it. Steam engine? James Watt invented that. He was a muslim but didn't know it."
To me it always felt like it's pretty self evidential we don't worship the same God. Imagine you ask someone if they know your friend Adam. He's a man, about 6ft tall, has short brown hair, is a very nice person and has a dog. They say yes, but when you go meet Andrew they say "that's not Andrew", bc the person they meant has a German Shepherd not a Labrador. Specifics matter. You can have a general idea of "the God" but that idea can be fundamentally different once you go into specifics. We believe in the Trinity, Muslims don't = not the same God.
I'm doing something for English about something that you think is bad in society today and when I was looking something up the website said around 40% of evangelicals don't believe in the Deity of Jesus
The other question is whether Jews and Christians worship the same God. And the place where this actually has some consequence is whether modalists worship the same God, because if they do then Romans 10:9 could mean they are saved.
They technically worship the same God, but they NEED to acknowledge that their Messiah is actually Jesus of Nazareth to be a Christian. That is the sole difference.
Romans 10 is actually where I have gone to argue that Jews and Muslims do, in some sense, worship the same God as Christians. Paul's whole argument about having "a zeal for God" without the proper knowledge, resulting in the establishment of one's own righteousness in lieu of the divine righteousness offered in Christ, is applicable here. And it's quite clear from the Old Testament that people can worship the true God in a way that's erroneous and unacceptable; this idea is often distinct from the idea of worshipping other gods instead of (or alongside) the true God.
I know some catholics might dislike you because of your protestant views. But I'm willing to bet some will dislike you for your positive comment on the Pope 😂 Btw, I'm a catholic
Elaborate or provide a source, please. I'm interested in what you mean by this. Also, it's a bit disingenuous to say Augustine was a neoplatonist, kind of like saying Thomas Aquinas was an Aristotlean. They were both Christian primarily.
@@ProfesserLuigi Yes, he was a christian, but it was because he was firstly a Neoplatonist, who saw that it is fullfield by th Gospel of Christ. If he wasn't a Neoplatonist, he would have remained an Manechien.
I agree that Christians and Muslims don’t believe in the same God. I am curious on people’s takes on pray however. How does God (the true God of the trinity) deal with the prayer of Muslims? Does he emphatically reject their genuine prays and is offended? Does he just ignore them? Is he sympathetic and understanding toward their prayers? Does he spite their prayers? Does he try and answer their prayers? I never have heard someone discuss this, although I’m sure people have before.
It depends. I would say that under ordinary circumstances, He would not accept their prayers, but there are examples in the Bible of genuine prayers from unbelievers that He answered.
In general, I find that I agree with Calvin and Athanasius. While there can be some form of knowledge, but as stated, isn't really all that useful without the Trinity. On a side note, your videos have inspired me to begin building churches on my own personal Minecraft server again.
If basically an all-powerful monotheism is all it takes to “worship the same God”, where do we draw the line? Sikhism? Baha’i? Zoroastrianism? Beyond? If any other religion would worship the same God it would logically be the others who claim to worship YHWH, and the New Testament says their father is the 😈 so why would we think this is any different?
I'm actually pleasantly surprised by this video. In the past you've expressed some big misunderstandings of Islamic Theology, but this time you didn't try to explain the theology of Islam to explain the differences, but instead explained why fundamentally they are different
we love redeemed zoomer even when he misrepresents some things, because he genuinely tries his best to see past his bias and represent other christian denominations and religions as best he can. he truly does his best, which is really good for a guy in his early 20's still. im 27 and found that I've had to circle back on my own christian theology multiple times, and ive only done some cursory learning of other religions, which i am biased by my own beliefs and knowledge when even learning, so it makes it a bit harder to be fair to other groups, no matter how much i love my muslim brothers and sisters (cousins maybe? lol).
@dragonjo7550 for sure, there's a reason I've stuck around so long watching his videos, he comes off as a genuine guy who learns more and corrects things over time
@@bigboineptune9567 them? are they not my neighbours, that i am to love as myself as God loves me? buddy everyone is my brother and sister, doesn't mean i commune with em. so two black dudes can call each other brother, neither being related and one muslim and on christian, and that is perceived normal, but i cant call a muslim brother because that is what i call everyone who i can get along with? i did not call him an adopted son of God nor did i call him my brother in Christ. language is not a narrow perception. i say what i mean in all love, so i ask you to back down
Redeem Zoomer I'm a Muslim and I love your videos. The way I've always seen it is that all three of the main abrahamic religions worship the god of Abraham it's just that we all have different interpretations of what the god of Abraham is. Personally I'm fine with not truly understanding what God is because I don't really think us humans are meant to know everything but I think you put it pretty well in this video.
@@Michael-zi3kk No, but I did. Just pointing out that we three can't be right. Either we all are wrong, or one is right. Don't you think you should find the truth?
@josiahserrano6651 we all believe in one on powerful monotheistic god who was the god of Abraham Moses Noah and Elijah. The way I see it the way we interpret it may be wrong but our belief is that we all worship the same God.
@@Michael-zi3kk do you believe a God with three persons? Or one? 1 God 1 God -------------- ≠ ------------- 3 Person 1 Person You believe in a different God than me, we are not the same. Do you worship Jesus?
ICXC is a Christogram (abbreviation) of the Greek name of Jesus Yes, Catholic theology puts an emphasis on Oneness. One God, One Church, One Bible, One Baptism, One Body of Christ, One Path of Salvation, etc. Catholic theology states if you were validly baptized, then you are a spiritual member of the Catholic Church; for there is only One body of Christ and only One Church established by Jesus. This is why the Catholic Church won't baptize you if you were baptized in a Mainline Protestant Church or an Orthodox Church.
Well, because you guys don't care about Jesus you only care about an institution. Honestly, I'm losing my mind with Catholics. They love anathemazing others and treating everyone else as if we were heretics (actually in your vision, yah we are)
And don't come with the claim "my church was founded by Jesus" you way long abandoned the gospels in behalf of your traditions and further complicated and added things to the gospel and the early church.
As an ex-Muslim who have been searching Christianity for a while, I really wonder about your stance on Islam. Do you plan to film a video about why you are not a Muslim just like you did about why you aren’t Catholic, Lutheran etc.? Or maybe like a video reflecting on Islam in general from a Christian perspective?
Hey! If you are curious I recommend reading “No God But One, Allah or Jesus?” By: Nabeel Qureshi. He was a former Muslim who after 4 years of researching both religions and fighting so hard to retain his Islamic beliefs until he ultimately became a Christian.
Did you really come here to spout corny 13-yo reddit one-liners? Couldn't even stick to one post, too, you just had to write 5. if you're going to be an atheist, at least quote someone intellectually competent like graham Oppy, not a bunch of high-school level polemists.
Giordano Bruno (1548-1600) , an Italian cosmologist , mathematician, and philosopher was burned to death by religious people only for suggesting that the stars we see in the sky were distant suns surrounded by their own planetary bodies like Earth .
It's not so much religion per se, it's false certainty that worries me, and religion just has more than its fair share of false certainty or dogmatism. I'm really concerned when I see people pretending to know things they clearly cannot know. Sam Harris
Hey man. I find your videos quite entertaining! I'd love to hear your take on the movie "The last Temptation of christ". Like a movie review but from a christian's POV. I know it's a very controversial movie for most. cheers!
Judaism worships the Father, but not the Son or Holy Spirit so it's hard to justify that it's really the same. And Islam's god is something similar to the Father, and claims to be the same as the God of Abraham, but is a corrupted version of him. And besides, the God of Abraham is a man by the name of JESUS CHRIST!
We're not modalists, though. The problem of conflating "belief in the One True God" with "belief in Jesus" is that it runs the risk of repeating the error of Judaism and Islam in a different direction, namely by erasing any distinction of persons in God. We have to affirm that true and proper worship recognizes God's triune nature. In doing so, we can say that improper worship of the One True God is possible.
How do you get access to this Minecraft Server haha I watch your videos so much and especially these KingdomCraft videos, I'd love to explore them on my free time!
I think your videos on Christianity are very well done and explained. However, I would have to disagree with you on this one. Its clear Jewish people and Christians worship the same 1 true God, however jewish people do not accept the son. You would not say that Jewish people worship a different God than Christians, they just dont worship God in ALL his form. Same with Muslims. They worship the God of Abraham that Jewish and Christians believe. However, they do not accept the son of God just as the Jewish people don't (but instead of rejecting Jesus completely like Jewish people that will say that the teachings of Jesus are from God)
I will say that Muslims, Hindus zoroastrian and other groups do acknowledge that there is a god along with christians. That's it. However, I will say that jews, unitarian, jw, oneness and Mormons do believe in the same god as Christians in regards to revelationary sense. But still doesn't know and worship god in the full sense like Christians with respect to theology proper.
Not sure if drowning was practiced so much in Luther's area, but he definitely condemned anabaptists and encouraged the persecution of them. They were tortured and burned at the stake even in Luther's Germany.
I had this conversation with my ex-roommate who is a believer in Islam. Me: do you believe in the trinity? Him: no Me: then we don't worship the same God. You want to start another crusade? Because this is how you start another crusade!
Simple answer NO. Allah is clearly a different person than the God of Abraham Issac and Jacob, even if you ignore the triune nature of God, the personality traits are also different. Ignorance of Islam is why many Christians mistakenly fail for Islamic propaganda that they worship the same God as Abraham.
People always answer this question incorrectly and their argument is focused on the trinity. But you dont even have to go that deep. Allah simply isnt the God of the Bible. His personality is totally different. Allah does not love everyone for example. Allah allows muslims to lie. Allah tells muslims not to befriend Christians, so how can he be the same God as Christianity?
That's Marcionism, Patrick! If Islam were merely a monotheistic religion, you might have a point. But our common ground is not merely some philosophical concept of a Supreme Being. It's the assertion that the God of Abraham is the one true God. To say that Islam worships a different God than Christianity is to say that Christianity worships a different God than the Patriarchs. Islam's problem isn't that it's pagan. It's not. Rather, Islam's problem is that it's heretical. Its exact conception of the One True God is significantly flawed, even though it has successfully identified the One True God in contradistinction to any other supposed ancient Near Eastern deities that once received worship. And the reason for their flawed conception of the One True God is due to their rejection of the fullness of the revelation of God received by the Church. That last point is important. Rejection of the One True God's revelation is not equivalent to worship of a different deity. Paul said to the Romans that his fellow Jews had rejected God's righteousness by failing to accept Christ, but he did not say that his fellow Jews had begun to worship Baal or some other false god by doing so. Rather, he said that "they have a zeal for God," that is, the One True God, "but not according to knowledge" (Rom. 8.2).
Now answer if Christians and Jews worship the same God. The answer is also no, and if you do a video on that, I would suggest you bring up the Jewish explanation as to why, because no Jew would say yes. In fact, some Jews would say they worship the same God as Muslims.
The video is about whether Christians worship the same god as Muslims. Anyway he made the point that no religion worships the same God as Christians which answers your question making your comments unnecessary.
Christians and Jews don’t worship the same God either. Technically Christians and Jesus do not worship the same God. The question “Do we worship the same god” must be faulty.
@ Jesus was Jewish so he worshipped the god YHVH and dutifully followed the tradition of the Torah. Paul invented Christianity and never met Jesus while he was alive, only his spirit. We follow the greco-Roman version of the Messiah created by Paul in the first century. We do not pray to the Jewish God or follow his traditions.
I’ve been reading about hermeticism and I don’t know why some people are saying that The All from hermeticism is more powerful than Allah and the Christian God. Is that true?
i believe jesus is God but everyone around me says either no or hes just the son of God and he submitts to the father, can someone give me some bible verses to prove hes God?
Paul never claimed that his fellow Jews "have a zeal for" some other god just because they rejected the gospel. Rather, he said that "they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge" (Rom. 10.2). Because they tried to establish their own righteousness (verse 3), we can assume that their worship was not acceptable, as it explicitly excluded Jesus (through whom the righteousness of God was expressed), but that's not the same thing as saying that their worship was pagan. This same argument, which is "from a theology perspective" and not just "a scholarly" one, could arguably apply to Muslims by extension.
Also your entire message is just an assertion and basically calling anyone Islamophobic for disagreeing with your assertion without any context whatsoever. You are clearly beyond reason if you have to resort to this.
Disagreeing with someone isn’t the same as prejudice. Muslims do not worship Jesus as God, Christians worship Jesus as God, therefore we do not worship the same God. However, that doesn’t mean we hate each other.
i have a question about the server, does the server have a dedicated spot/church/area for Polish catholicism, or is it grouped in with Roman Catholicism if there is one?
ngl wouldve been kinda funny if you said "no" and its just 20 minutes of minecraft gameplay in silence
Would be based
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That would be too much like the Nephilim video.
That would have been based
"Okay now I've entered the Eastern Orthodox province, it looks a lot prettier than this once you get into it I promise. In fact I think this is the prettiest province in my whole minecraft server because the Eastern Orthodox christians on this minecraft server are very dedicated to spending a lot of time playing minecraft, and a lot of time online."
-RZ somehow both complementing and demolishing the Eastern Orthodox with two sentences.
Orthobros
This is RZ in general. If you're a Nicene Christian denomination he'll compliment and insult you at the same time. If you're Mormon or JW, he'll just take pot-shots.
in fairness Orthobros exist so......@@TheGerkuman
There’s a huge online movement of ortho bros that doesn’t reflect to real life.
😂 a lot of time online
“Do Christians and Muslims worship the same God?”
Catholics: no
[Insert geographical location] Orthodox: no
Presbyterians: no
Anglicans/Episcopalians: no
Methodists: no
Congregationalists: no
Baptists: no
Lutherans: no
Pentecostals: no
WE’VE DONE IT! ECUMENISM ACHIEVED!!! 🎊 🥳✝️☦️🎈🎉
Mormons walk in: "Yeah! No!"
When it comes to heretics, all Christians unite
Pentecostals: “shdhdbxusnsgejsbxusnsvduendvdudnxgbdi”
@@FaithfullyFishingForFactslore accurate
@@jalent810 half of these domenations are equal to naming a random nba scrub who played from 2003-2008 cuz idk half of these
Short Answer: No
Long Answer: Noooooooooooooo
oh come on I just made this comment 😭
you have a point
The full answer would be at least 2 hours long if he were making a video about it.
As a reformed christian from indonesia, thank you so much for this video!
As opposed to struggling with liberalism and christian sectarianism, we instead struggle with islam and religious pluralism down here!
DISCLAIMER
I'm not saying that muslims here are actively hunting us down or anything. As a matter of fact, Indonesia is one of the most safest "muslim country" out there and evangelization is permitted by the government. I personally have many muslim friends with whom i converse often in inter-faith dialogues.
I was just saying that the main opponent of christian worldview in Indonesia is islamic worldview (especially the fundamentalist one) and pluralism ("all religions are the same" view).
3:04 "The Eastern Orthodox churches on this server look so good because Orthodox Christians are very dedicated to spending a lot of time online." Holy crap we just witnessed a murder
20 minutes is an awfully long time to say “no”
Lol
It would be, if he didn’t explain why. Thankfully, he explained why. Edgelord.
Mfw people explain things 😮
>Do Christians and Muslims worship the same God?
No. As well, for a theological tradition which supposedly holds Aristotle, and Plotinus, in such high esteem, it is shocking they cannot, or more likely simply refuse to, understand the Trinity.
In Aristotle's Metaphysics, he proves that the summit of being, the Unmoved Mover, must be an immaterial intellect, thinking only the best thought, that is, itself. Elsewhere, in his On the Soul, Aristotle shows that when the intellect thinks of it's object, it is made like with, or united to, that object. So, from this, we see that Aristotle has shown that the Unmoved Mover, God, is self-reflexive isomorphic intellection, or, thought thinking itself. To use an Augustinian analogy, God is Thinker/Thought/Thinking, or Subject/Object/Verb, where all three aspects, are, necessarily, God, fully and wholly.
As well, Plotinus, building on the work of Aristotle in analyzing the human psyche, shows that we, like God, are "tripartite" in our being. That is, insofar as we exist, we are One/True/Good, all at the same time, corresponding to Plotinus' development of the hypostases of God of the One, the Intellect, and the Soul. All being, of course, relative names, as noted by Aquinas.
In the original Greek/Latin discussions of the Trinity, Person was used in the same sense as "persona," or, in the same sense as "act." Thus, God eternally acts, to use a somewhat abused formula, as Father, our Creator, as Son, our Redeemer, and Spirit, our Sanctifier. Note this is NOT modalism, which held that once God is "finished" being our Creator, He "becomes" our Redeemer, then "becomes" our Sanctifier. There is no before or after in Him, no change.
The noetic damage of the Fall is profound. I pray that all may come to know, love, and worship the Blessed Triune God, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, in Christ Jesus, our Lord.
Very nice. I wish there was an easy way to save youtube comments for future refernce
@cyber-7878you can screencap them and add them to a folder, or paste them into a channel in some other app
Really impressive comment.
The trinitarian formula isn't abused but often misunderstood when people anthropomorphise it. The three Persons aren't individuals (if they were and they had the same dignity, they would be three different gods) instead, they must be understood in terms of endings of relationships: Fatherhood-Sonship, Inspirer-Inspired. Each of them "needs" the other to have its own meaning, hence their coexistence and co-eternity.
Coming back to Aristotle and Plotinus, I would like to recall that also the so-called Arians came from that background but misunderstood in John 1:1-2 the relation between Λόγος and αρχή. So I think they aren't the first and won't be the last to have hardship with it.
Also, a faithful Muslim has already learnt that according to the Qur'an, false Christians had distorted the original Message and now believe in three gods (God, Jesus and Mary) against what عسى (the Qu'ranic Jesus) said. So I understand their difficulties.
Great job!
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Muslims really be like "Your god is so weak that he died".
My God is so strong that He conquered death and said "aight I'm taking the entire universe next" 😏
@@Rob_0088 Wouldn't want to be Muslim if they did.
The God we worship is based
Muslims really be like "Man your god is so weak that he died".
My God is so strong that he conquered death and said "aight I'm taking the entire universe next" 😏
@@I2MMDL Muslims be like: He's just a prophet, but he will come back to judge the world
@Govnar658but will contradict it in the next breath (read the Quran)
@@I2MMDL no hate like monotheistic love
@@ilovejinxx_xrage bait go brrrrrr
Saying that Christians worship the same God as any other religion because they both worship a single God and can agree on some/most of His attributes is comparable to saying that two men are married to the same person because they're both married to a woman and they have some/most of the same attributes.
Great analogy!
I will be using this
The most annoying thing in my opinion with this type of discourse is when people say "well Allah means God, so it must be the same"
Arguing with etymology instead of theology when talking about RELIGION is hilarious
@ Totally agree!
Nope, it’s much more like two people with bad vision see a figure in the distance, but one has been given glasses and the other hasn’t.
"the Eastern Orthodox like spending a lot of time online" Slipped that one in there lol
Congrats on 500k that’s how many you’ve inspired to lead kingdom truth into the world!
Galatians 1:6-12
But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.
Islam started when an angel allegedly came to Muhammad on a mountain and gave him the Quran. Put two and two together.
Islam does not present a new gospel. If you have read the Quran, you will notice that many of the stories in the Old Testament and the New Testament are repeated almost verbatim, with slight variations in detail. Additionally, if you read the Quran, you will observe that approximately three-quarters of it is directed specifically at Jews and Christians. God addresses His servants who believe in His previous scriptures, informing them that the final book has been revealed and that they should believe in it.
To prove my point, just look at the first two pages of the Quran: 'This is the (anticipated) Book! There is no doubt in it. It is a guide for the righteous / those who avoid wrong. Those who believe sincerely in Allah(God in Arabic), establish prayer regularly and continuously, spend from what We have provided for them, believe and trust in what has been revealed to you and what was revealed before you, and have firm faith in the Hereafter-these are the ones who follow the guidance from their Lord. They are the ones who will attain what they hope for.' (2:2-5)
And one can say that this is the Quran's summary: "Say, "O People of the Scripture (people who know the holy books that God sent) , experts in your books! Come to an agreement between us and you on the following: Let us not worship anyone except Allah. Let us not associate anything with Him. Let no one among us take others as lords besides Allah." If they turn away, then say, "Bear witness that we are those who have submitted to Allah. (Al-i İmran:64)(By the way, Al-i Imran means the family of Imran, and Imran is the family name of the Virgin Mary. So, the Quran has a 200-verse-long section dedicated to the story of family of the Virgin Mary. This not include the other parts that mentions Jesus and Mary dozens of times.)
Islam does not present a new gospel. If you have read the Quran, you will notice that many of the stories in the Old Testament and the New Testament are repeated almost verbatim, with slight variations in detail. Additionally, if you read the Quran, you will observe that approximately three-quarters of it is directed specifically at Jews and Christians. God addresses His servants who believe in His previous scriptures, informing them that the final book has been revealed and that they should believe in it. To prove my point, just look at the first two pages of the Quran: 'This is the (anticipated) Book! There is no doubt in it. It is a guide for the righteous / those who avoid wrong. Those who believe sincerely in Allah(God in Arabic), establish prayer regularly and continuously, spend from what We have provided for them, believe and trust in what has been revealed to you and what was revealed before you, and have firm faith in the Hereafter-these are the ones who follow the guidance from their Lord. They are the ones who will attain what they hope for.' (2:2-5) And one can say that this is the Quran's summary: "Say, "O People of the Scripture (people who know the holy books that God sent) , experts in your books! Come to an agreement between us and you on the following: Let us not worship anyone except Allah. Let us not associate anything with Him. Let no one among us take others as lords besides Allah." If they turn away, then say, "Bear witness that we are those who have submitted to Allah. (Al-i İmran:64)(By the way, Al-i Imran means the family of Imran, and Imran is the family name of the Virgin Mary. So, the Quran has a 200-verse-long section dedicated to the story of family of the Virgin Mary. This not include the other parts that mentions Jesus and Mary dozens of times.)
15:57 Shoutout to that St. Michael statue!
St. Michael, ora pro nobis!
St. Michael, defend us in battle!
Absolutely not.
There is a Biblical example that supports Pope Francis loosely saying we worship the same God as the Muslims -- the Ninevites. They were polytheists and pagans. But the Bible says after hearing Jonah's warning of impending destruction, they repented and "called on the Lord" with such sincerity that God "heard their cry" and chose not to destroy the city. Now whatever concept they had of God and however poorly formed, God heard their address to him. Note in the Bible, the reference of God is written as Lord (lower case letters) when it involves pagans, but LORD by his chosen people, who have a special or personal relationship with YHWH. One could conclude, as commentators have, God hears the cry of those who desire to communicate with him in spite of their misconceptions of who God is.
Those letters ICXC means “Jesus Christ”. When paired with NIKA, the complete phrase is Jesus Christ Conquers
St. John of Damascus tore Islam apart. He was born in the 600s and spoken Arabic. He figured out all the errors and was surprisingly good. For instance he realized that Mohammad was taught by an Arian priest
Short answer: No
Long answer: No
That's like saying the fanfiction writer is continuing the same story as the author.
Because the new story is the full successor of the old, and the author of the new story is SAME as that of the old?
@@장인호-s3m If that were the case, the writer clearly has amnesia and lost all their notes from the previous book.
Muslims also claim that the Bible has been corrupted and has been changed (hence Christians thinking that Jesus is God), despite the fact that there is zero archeological, historical, or textual evidence that the Christian view had ever changed from Jesus being God.
A big NO. Our GOD is JESUS CHRIST. the only Saviour
We need a Reformed Lo-fi Spotify playlist to rival the Catholic lo-fi one.
There's already Lutheran and Anglican Lo-Fi playlists
They do not, but the reason is that Allah is indeed a pagan deity Muhammad decided to conflate with YHWH who is actually the one true God.
great video dude
GOD BLESS YOU ALL AMEN ✝️♥️✝️♥️✝️
No. End of story
Yay 🎉 my favorite topic!
Proud to comment ig. God bless you Zoomer. also since you're gen z mew in a livestream
For people who dont wanna watch 20 min long video. The answer is 'no'
!SPOILER!
It is Not the same God
Congrats on 500k!
The icon you were asking about was of St. John Chrysostom, who compiled for us Orthodox his Holy Liturgy, hence his great importance for us.
““If you love me, you will keep my commandments. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever, even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you.”
John 14:15-17 ESV
I’ve herd this is used as an argument for the Spirt proceeding from the Father. I’m not sure if its a solid one.
They shouldve asked "is it the same God for all of the Abrahamic religions?"
I would say, based on what I've heard, that Christians and Muslims (and Jews, for that matter) all worship the same God, or at least try to. What they disagree on is what that God is like, and how to properly worship him.
It's not the same God, if they disagree on what God is like.
@@josiahserrano6651 The early Christians never claimed that unbelieving Jews worshipped a different god. They said that those unbelieving Jews were rejecting the revelation that God was giving them. There's a difference.
Muslims have rejected all of the false Near Eastern deities in favor of the true one, the God of Abraham. They just tossed out an important part of the message given by the true God and tried to "establish their own righteousness" outside of the Christian Church (cf. what Paul says about the Jews in Romans 10). They are textbook heretics.
Roses are red, violets are blue
Aisha was 9
Muhammad was 52
And they're proud of that!
Something so heinous you cannot find a condemnation for the act of child marriage in the whole your divinely inspired scripture. Perhaps this is a modern, liberal argumemt and not a genuinely Christian one?
@@coltonregal1797
YOU'RE HIDING BOI
@@meanderingmangomanthe1stof611Lack of condemnation and active condoning are two different things
@@meanderingmangomanthe1stof611
"But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depths of the sea."
Matthew 18:6, KJV.
Islam has its roots in Baal worship and pagan arab traditions. All answers to this question are no, whether we consider the complexities of the question or not. Though i did enjoy learning about them
I think what you meant is that Islam came to remove people from paganism and stone worship, and that the prophet Mohammed was punished for it multiple times by his tribe...... and that he destroyed all the idols at a shock from the pagans...........and I think you meant that Islam has its roots from prophet Abraham (our second father after Adam) and that any shape of idol worship is punishable by death........ and I think you meant that the Quran specifically warns people who worship Baal and leave the greatest of creators ( the Israelites and the people of jonah)....... and I think you meant that Islam is the only religions that doesn't tolerate the drawing or the sculpting of idols and it punishes it severely.... Maybe I'm wrong but I think that's what you actually meant.
@@lamzougui101 Yes you are wrong.
All Mo did was, eighter, easily being decieved by an "angel of light" (a.k.a satan pretending to be holy according to christian writings), or else, he, as a part trader, combined parts and wisdoms from religions he heard around him and made it his own to gain personal glory, power and dominion. Thats might explain there are contradicting verses, such as the people of the book and the jews having the truth but also the sayings that say a muslim gets a christian or jew to carry their sins in Jahannam
@@marlena. Yeah, number 1 : Satan being the angel of light or the Morningstar is a Christian / pagan roman concept (Venus) and not Islamic, we belief he was a Jinn, because angels are creatures that were created without the the ability to sin or disobey God, their only purpose is to worship and follow God's commands...Number2: If satan told you to love God, Follow his commands, don't worship a Man, destroy idols, kill magicians, be kind, give charity, be humble, pray and fast....and at the same time teach you to curse Satan in every chapter of the Quran, and in prayers, and even when you enter the restroom (belief it or not)...That's fine, we'll follow satan and you follow pagan roman rituals (Sol invectus/ Venus/ 3 essences/ The man god/ the winter solstice/Saturnalia/ and santa claus....), when you kill the monotheists and follow the emperor's wishes (constantine) to have pagan holidays turned into christian, and pagan gods and platonic philosophies turn a prophet of God into God himself to make conversion easy in the roman empire...don't talk to me about satan. number3: yeah, the prophet copied from Christianity but it only copied the right info and not the wrong ones (historic/ scientific/ geographic/ linguistic....), go watch the scientific facts from the Quran (do some research).... number: yes the christian and the jews in their times that died before the last prophet came, the jews with Moses, and the Christians with jesus (they were monotheists by the way) not the J AND C who knew the message of the prophet and still want to stay J and C, that's not allowed (you follow the prophet of your time, and it's the time of Mohammed peace be upon him), even jesus says it in the bible : I was only sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel (not for you).....But the quran says about Mohammed: we have only sent you as a Mercy to the worlds....as for the hadith: yes it is true, but you belief that everyone who doesn't belief in Jesus as his lord and savior will go to hell, so you have no advantage here as well.
@@lamzougui101There are pagan Arab elements like a bunch of the Hajj rites, per Islam’s own scriptures
@@marlena. Quran 58:19 "Satan has taken hold of them, causing them to forget the remembrance of Allah. They are the party of Satan. Surely Satan’s party is bound to lose."
Matthew 12:26 "So if Satan casts out Satan, he is making war on himself. How then could his kingdom stand?"
According to gospels, Islam should have been broken and destroyed but it's foundation still exists and is strong following the golden age.
Difference between Muslim and Christians
Muslims have the body of Muhammad. Christuans have the ever living savior named Jesus Christ who actually rose from the dead
Muslims and all of the religions if the world have no moral concept of sin. Christians have a full understanding of the meaning of sin which is a transgression of God's Law.
I love these videos because i already know the answer i still learn something new
Muslims also view the prophets and apostles differently from Christianity. They are taught to believe that the prophets and apostles minus Paul were all practicing Muslims like they are today.
Not only them. They're taught to believe that literally everyone ever was muslim. This is why they have those "Islam invented everything" series. "Gravity? Newton invented that. He was a muslim but didn't know it. Relativity? Einstein invented that. He was a muslim but didn't know it. Steam engine? James Watt invented that. He was a muslim but didn't know it."
To me it always felt like it's pretty self evidential we don't worship the same God. Imagine you ask someone if they know your friend Adam. He's a man, about 6ft tall, has short brown hair, is a very nice person and has a dog. They say yes, but when you go meet Andrew they say "that's not Andrew", bc the person they meant has a German Shepherd not a Labrador.
Specifics matter. You can have a general idea of "the God" but that idea can be fundamentally different once you go into specifics. We believe in the Trinity, Muslims don't = not the same God.
I'm doing something for English about something that you think is bad in society today and when I was looking something up the website said around 40% of evangelicals don't believe in the Deity of Jesus
I wonder where they got those statistics...we really *do* need to reconquer churches if that's the case, sheesh
The other question is whether Jews and Christians worship the same God.
And the place where this actually has some consequence is whether modalists worship the same God, because if they do then Romans 10:9 could mean they are saved.
They technically worship the same God, but they NEED to acknowledge that their Messiah is actually Jesus of Nazareth to be a Christian.
That is the sole difference.
Romans 10 is actually where I have gone to argue that Jews and Muslims do, in some sense, worship the same God as Christians. Paul's whole argument about having "a zeal for God" without the proper knowledge, resulting in the establishment of one's own righteousness in lieu of the divine righteousness offered in Christ, is applicable here. And it's quite clear from the Old Testament that people can worship the true God in a way that's erroneous and unacceptable; this idea is often distinct from the idea of worshipping other gods instead of (or alongside) the true God.
I know some catholics might dislike you because of your protestant views. But I'm willing to bet some will dislike you for your positive comment on the Pope 😂
Btw, I'm a catholic
5:35 Actually, Neoplatonism
believes in a form of Trinity too, well Augustine was Neoplatonist
Elaborate or provide a source, please. I'm interested in what you mean by this.
Also, it's a bit disingenuous to say Augustine was a neoplatonist, kind of like saying Thomas Aquinas was an Aristotlean. They were both Christian primarily.
That’s not true. St. Augustine used Neoplatonic ideas in his writings, but the Trinity was not one of them.
@@ProfesserLuigi Yes, he was a christian, but it was because he was firstly a Neoplatonist, who saw that it is fullfield by th Gospel of Christ. If he wasn't a Neoplatonist, he would have remained an Manechien.
@@carsonianthegreat4672 No, he was literally a student of Neoplatonism before being a Christian.
I've watched too much Sam Shamoun and David Wood for it to even be a question.
Same, also watched Christian Prince and Apostate Prophet
The funny thing is that this guy didn't even mention any passages from the quran . Just because Thomas Aquinas said something… are you kidding me?
I agree that Christians and Muslims don’t believe in the same God. I am curious on people’s takes on pray however. How does God (the true God of the trinity) deal with the prayer of Muslims? Does he emphatically reject their genuine prays and is offended? Does he just ignore them? Is he sympathetic and understanding toward their prayers? Does he spite their prayers? Does he try and answer their prayers? I never have heard someone discuss this, although I’m sure people have before.
Why do you think many Muslims are converting because of dreams ?
It depends. I would say that under ordinary circumstances, He would not accept their prayers, but there are examples in the Bible of genuine prayers from unbelievers that He answered.
Bro really thinks that because he's a protestant there's certain places he's not allowed to go in a virtual minecraft world
In general, I find that I agree with Calvin and Athanasius. While there can be some form of knowledge, but as stated, isn't really all that useful without the Trinity.
On a side note, your videos have inspired me to begin building churches on my own personal Minecraft server again.
If basically an all-powerful monotheism is all it takes to “worship the same God”, where do we draw the line? Sikhism? Baha’i? Zoroastrianism? Beyond?
If any other religion would worship the same God it would logically be the others who claim to worship YHWH, and the New Testament says their father is the 😈 so why would we think this is any different?
I'm actually pleasantly surprised by this video. In the past you've expressed some big misunderstandings of Islamic Theology, but this time you didn't try to explain the theology of Islam to explain the differences, but instead explained why fundamentally they are different
we love redeemed zoomer even when he misrepresents some things, because he genuinely tries his best to see past his bias and represent other christian denominations and religions as best he can.
he truly does his best, which is really good for a guy in his early 20's still. im 27 and found that I've had to circle back on my own christian theology multiple times, and ive only done some cursory learning of other religions, which i am biased by my own beliefs and knowledge when even learning, so it makes it a bit harder to be fair to other groups, no matter how much i love my muslim brothers and sisters (cousins maybe? lol).
@dragonjo7550 for sure, there's a reason I've stuck around so long watching his videos, he comes off as a genuine guy who learns more and corrects things over time
@@dragonjo7550Never under any circumstances refer to them as “brothers and sisters”
@@bigboineptune9567 them? are they not my neighbours, that i am to love as myself as God loves me? buddy everyone is my brother and sister, doesn't mean i commune with em. so two black dudes can call each other brother, neither being related and one muslim and on christian, and that is perceived normal, but i cant call a muslim brother because that is what i call everyone who i can get along with?
i did not call him an adopted son of God nor did i call him my brother in Christ. language is not a narrow perception. i say what i mean in all love, so i ask you to back down
he said that he's a David Wood fan in response to a comment, so idk if he's really a 'genuine guy'
Redeem Zoomer I'm a Muslim and I love your videos. The way I've always seen it is that all three of the main abrahamic religions worship the god of Abraham it's just that we all have different interpretations of what the god of Abraham is. Personally I'm fine with not truly understanding what God is because I don't really think us humans are meant to know everything but I think you put it pretty well in this video.
And each interpretation can't be right.
@josiahserrano6651 I never said that
@@Michael-zi3kk No, but I did.
Just pointing out that we three can't be right.
Either we all are wrong, or one is right.
Don't you think you should find the truth?
@josiahserrano6651 we all believe in one on powerful monotheistic god who was the god of Abraham Moses Noah and Elijah. The way I see it the way we interpret it may be wrong but our belief is that we all worship the same God.
@@Michael-zi3kk do you believe a God with three persons? Or one?
1 God 1 God
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3 Person 1 Person
You believe in a different God than me, we are not the same.
Do you worship Jesus?
Could you make a vídeo about Van Til, Herman Dooyeweerd, etc?
ICXC is a Christogram (abbreviation) of the Greek name of Jesus
Yes, Catholic theology puts an emphasis on Oneness. One God, One Church, One Bible, One Baptism, One Body of Christ, One Path of Salvation, etc.
Catholic theology states if you were validly baptized, then you are a spiritual member of the Catholic Church; for there is only One body of Christ and only One Church established by Jesus.
This is why the Catholic Church won't baptize you if you were baptized in a Mainline Protestant Church or an Orthodox Church.
Well, because you guys don't care about Jesus you only care about an institution. Honestly, I'm losing my mind with Catholics. They love anathemazing others and treating everyone else as if we were heretics (actually in your vision, yah we are)
And don't come with the claim "my church was founded by Jesus" you way long abandoned the gospels in behalf of your traditions and further complicated and added things to the gospel and the early church.
@@murilolinsdacruz4110according to whom
@@murilolinsdacruz4110 Why are you so hostile? He was just explaining the faith bro.
Some say we do, but they’re wrong. The answer is “no.”
8:12 As a Catholic, I was not expecting that. Thank you for your service.🫡✝️🇻🇦
Lmao the comment section is just completely rejecting nuance in every sense.
17:32 I think it's modeled after St Basil's Cathedral in Moscow.
The first icon you asked about i saint Serafim of Sarov. The second looks like one of my icons of saint Nicholas.
The second one looked like St. John Chysostomus to me, but I also thought of St. Basil
As an ex-Muslim who have been searching Christianity for a while, I really wonder about your stance on Islam. Do you plan to film a video about why you are not a Muslim just like you did about why you aren’t Catholic, Lutheran etc.? Or maybe like a video reflecting on Islam in general from a Christian perspective?
Hey! If you are curious I recommend reading “No God But One, Allah or Jesus?” By: Nabeel Qureshi. He was a former Muslim who after 4 years of researching both religions and fighting so hard to retain his Islamic beliefs until he ultimately became a Christian.
Gonna check it out thx
@@aubs6268 Lmao nabeel was part of a deviant sect, never was a muslim
Guys. Did you know that Zoomer is Presbyterian?
I'm waiting for the day that Redeemed Zoomer come home to the Catholic Church
What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
Christopher Hitchens
Did you really come here to spout corny 13-yo reddit one-liners? Couldn't even stick to one post, too, you just had to write 5.
if you're going to be an atheist, at least quote someone intellectually competent like graham Oppy, not a bunch of high-school level polemists.
Giordano Bruno (1548-1600) , an Italian cosmologist , mathematician, and philosopher was burned to death by religious people only for suggesting that the stars we see in the sky were distant suns surrounded by their own planetary bodies like Earth .
He was executed for a whole bunch of stuff
Day 35 of asking Redeemed Zoomer to livestream himself listening to the 2006 album Go by the Newsboys because it's good contemporary Christian music
based.
Well he hates non denominational Christianity, so it's unlikely.
It's not so much religion per se, it's false certainty that worries me, and religion just has more than its fair share of false certainty or dogmatism. I'm really concerned when I see people pretending to know things they clearly cannot know.
Sam Harris
Zoomer how can i join the server? I want to explore it and build a lutheran church
He has two,
one for the reqonsista(don't know the spelling.
One his main.
Go to first one, then you will be directed to his main
@@josiahserrano6651 oh sweet, how do i join though?
No
Hey man. I find your videos quite entertaining! I'd love to hear your take on the movie "The last Temptation of christ". Like a movie review but from a christian's POV. I know it's a very controversial movie for most.
cheers!
Judaism worships the Father, but not the Son or Holy Spirit so it's hard to justify that it's really the same. And Islam's god is something similar to the Father, and claims to be the same as the God of Abraham, but is a corrupted version of him. And besides, the God of Abraham is a man by the name of JESUS CHRIST!
God isnt a man according to the Old Testament
Judaism doesn't worship the Father, they worship their own heretical version of God, just like the Muslims do.
@@SilentNineYeah, God is God.
Jesus having a divine nature and a human nature.
@@SilentNineChristians don’t believe God is a man, we believe God took on human form.
We're not modalists, though. The problem of conflating "belief in the One True God" with "belief in Jesus" is that it runs the risk of repeating the error of Judaism and Islam in a different direction, namely by erasing any distinction of persons in God. We have to affirm that true and proper worship recognizes God's triune nature. In doing so, we can say that improper worship of the One True God is possible.
Depends on who you ask
For anyone wanting some more detailed info about Islam versus Christianity, please read “No God But One: Allah or Jesus?” By: Nabeel Qureshi.
How do you get access to this Minecraft Server haha I watch your videos so much and especially these KingdomCraft videos, I'd love to explore them on my free time!
I think your videos on Christianity are very well done and explained. However, I would have to disagree with you on this one. Its clear Jewish people and Christians worship the same 1 true God, however jewish people do not accept the son. You would not say that Jewish people worship a different God than Christians, they just dont worship God in ALL his form. Same with Muslims. They worship the God of Abraham that Jewish and Christians believe. However, they do not accept the son of God just as the Jewish people don't (but instead of rejecting Jesus completely like Jewish people that will say that the teachings of Jesus are from God)
I will say that Muslims, Hindus zoroastrian and other groups do acknowledge that there is a god along with christians. That's it.
However, I will say that jews, unitarian, jw, oneness and Mormons do believe in the same god as Christians in regards to revelationary sense. But still doesn't know and worship god in the full sense like Christians with respect to theology proper.
Here b4 the no comments (they are right)
Absolutely not. Because Jesus is God, he is the alpha and omega. And pagan Muslims deny that Jesus is the Christ.
15:45 - I don't think Martin Luther drowned any anabaptists. Zwingli - yes, Luther - no.
Not sure if drowning was practiced so much in Luther's area, but he definitely condemned anabaptists and encouraged the persecution of them. They were tortured and burned at the stake even in Luther's Germany.
I had this conversation with my ex-roommate who is a believer in Islam.
Me: do you believe in the trinity?
Him: no
Me: then we don't worship the same God. You want to start another crusade? Because this is how you start another crusade!
Listening to RZ simping for EO architecture is... unsurprising.
Simple answer NO. Allah is clearly a different person than the God of Abraham Issac and Jacob, even if you ignore the triune nature of God, the personality traits are also different. Ignorance of Islam is why many Christians mistakenly fail for Islamic propaganda that they worship the same God as Abraham.
Why is RZ still using iron tools?
Would RZ rather visit Geneva, Switzerland, or Patmos, Greece?
Geneva 100%
@ even over Jerusalem?
Do Christians and Muslims worship the same God?
Redeemed Zoomer: "Yes... But also no."
14:13 it's a video game dude
People always answer this question incorrectly and their argument is focused on the trinity. But you dont even have to go that deep. Allah simply isnt the God of the Bible. His personality is totally different. Allah does not love everyone for example. Allah allows muslims to lie. Allah tells muslims not to befriend Christians, so how can he be the same God as Christianity?
That's Marcionism, Patrick!
If Islam were merely a monotheistic religion, you might have a point. But our common ground is not merely some philosophical concept of a Supreme Being. It's the assertion that the God of Abraham is the one true God. To say that Islam worships a different God than Christianity is to say that Christianity worships a different God than the Patriarchs.
Islam's problem isn't that it's pagan. It's not. Rather, Islam's problem is that it's heretical. Its exact conception of the One True God is significantly flawed, even though it has successfully identified the One True God in contradistinction to any other supposed ancient Near Eastern deities that once received worship. And the reason for their flawed conception of the One True God is due to their rejection of the fullness of the revelation of God received by the Church.
That last point is important. Rejection of the One True God's revelation is not equivalent to worship of a different deity. Paul said to the Romans that his fellow Jews had rejected God's righteousness by failing to accept Christ, but he did not say that his fellow Jews had begun to worship Baal or some other false god by doing so. Rather, he said that "they have a zeal for God," that is, the One True God, "but not according to knowledge" (Rom. 8.2).
Now answer if Christians and Jews worship the same God. The answer is also no, and if you do a video on that, I would suggest you bring up the Jewish explanation as to why, because no Jew would say yes. In fact, some Jews would say they worship the same God as Muslims.
He mentions Jews toward the end
The video is about whether Christians worship the same god as Muslims. Anyway he made the point that no religion worships the same God as Christians which answers your question making your comments unnecessary.
The chat mentioning child labor lol
Christians and Jews don’t worship the same God either.
Technically Christians and Jesus do not worship the same God.
The question “Do we worship the same god” must be faulty.
Could you expand on how Christians don't worship the same God as Jesus?
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Jesus was Jewish so he worshipped the god YHVH and dutifully followed the tradition of the Torah. Paul invented Christianity and never met Jesus while he was alive, only his spirit. We follow the greco-Roman version of the Messiah created by Paul in the first century. We do not pray to the Jewish God or follow his traditions.
False...
@@jillengland3277How can you believe that and call yourself a Christian
Mainstream modern Judaism is a continuation of Pharisaism
I’ve been reading about hermeticism and I don’t know why some people are saying that The All from hermeticism is more powerful than Allah and the Christian God. Is that true?
Yeah Kinda
If Christ is a Hellenistic YHWH then Allah is a kind of return to the Semitic tradition
i believe jesus is God but everyone around me says either no or hes just the son of God and he submitts to the father, can someone give me some bible verses to prove hes God?
John 8:58
From a scholarly perspective, yes. From a theology perspective, definitely not.
Paul never claimed that his fellow Jews "have a zeal for" some other god just because they rejected the gospel. Rather, he said that "they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge" (Rom. 10.2). Because they tried to establish their own righteousness (verse 3), we can assume that their worship was not acceptable, as it explicitly excluded Jesus (through whom the righteousness of God was expressed), but that's not the same thing as saying that their worship was pagan. This same argument, which is "from a theology perspective" and not just "a scholarly" one, could arguably apply to Muslims by extension.
I haven't played on your server before, how's the online?
8:08 You sure?
Yes we do. It doesn't matter how Islamophobic you are, we're all worshipping the god of Abraham
Also your entire message is just an assertion and basically calling anyone Islamophobic for disagreeing with your assertion without any context whatsoever.
You are clearly beyond reason if you have to resort to this.
If believing allah is Satan who aims to subvert the gospel and thus leading millions of soul into eternal death is Islamophobic, then I am one
Disagreeing with someone isn’t the same as prejudice. Muslims do not worship Jesus as God, Christians worship Jesus as God, therefore we do not worship the same God. However, that doesn’t mean we hate each other.
@Gift-ll4nv no, its just obvious that most people here only disagree because "ahh! Muslims bad"
@@soulplexisThe video itself gives reasons other than muh Islamophobia
i have a question about the server, does the server have a dedicated spot/church/area for Polish catholicism, or is it grouped in with Roman Catholicism if there is one?
13:51 😂 is someone mad