Making a knife blank, start to finish.
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- In thin video I we'll start from a drawing on a piece of paper transfer it to steel and cut it out. Then we'll drill our holes for pins. At that point we should be ready to take our knife blank to water jet to have it reproduced.
Davy Deals!
Hey brother, man I love this channel, I really and honestly do Dave. You and the little lady are just awesome salt of the earth people who I would be proud to have as friends!
At 56, or as those punk kids and their transistor radios say "fiddy six" I've been places, seen things, scary things, like the day I met my wife! ")
You don't meet many people with the body of knowledge you have Dave, but then there's two of yus! Brook is an absolute firecracker, and just full of knowledge and skills that would take regular slobs like me three lifetimes to know half!
Then there's the skill of being great teachers! I've known people who could tear a Jumbo Jet engine apart and put it back together in a few days! Incredible mechanics, but ask them to show you how to do something and they're completely lost! You just have to look at the state of a large percent of university students today and you know that nonsense took truly monstrous incompetence at the "professor" level!!
Again, if one of you two cats was a good teacher on top of all that body of skill and knowledge you both have, that would be pretty cool, but AGAIN, you're both awesome, pro teachers as well!!
If that doesn't sicken jealous people enough, you're both fantastic musicians and writers too!! !
There's but one thing a person can say...HOW DARE YOU!!
I love this channel, can't wait to see the next one Dave!
Superior job maestro!!
Jack - Canada
Thank you Jack. I feel very humbled by your opinion of my wife and I. Thank you for the kind words.
No, you are the best! Haha! Great vid as always. Need one of these first run knives in my life. Keep us posted.
Thanks Fabian.
Excellent ideas.. very cool Great start... I got a bk62, Ian beckers reproduction of the original (he managed to acquire an original) it is a real nice knife, it has an interesting balance and can cut. I completely understand your issue and desire to change it up just a bit. What grinds are you going for. I like a saber grind.. it cuts great in all kinds if situations especially with food!. i like a knife i can cook with after all those feather sticks are carved up. Your knife is your life!.. what are your handle thoughts. i opted not to get a genesis because i didn't like the thumb notches at the blade so i got a outback the custom lt wright made for blade hq, and it is great. my other real favorite is a BK2 it is an awesome beast 1/4" thick and can cut a tomato, and field dress a Buick. Sweet knif . I love knives.. they are so much fun.. Keep at it. making a knife is the ultimate.. i am still learning (yea 50 years) to use a Washita Stone, and a Whetstone, made a strop and am considering giving up and getting a tormek just cause i want all those edges to shave... Talking knives .. love it J
Hey Jeff, I'm into Saber grinds too, so that will for sure be one grind I 'll work with. I like Wood and Micarta for handles, but I'm not into much thats "exotic". I like simple. Check out my LT wright genesis review.....I feel the same way about the thumb notches ( great knife otherwise).
..lookin' forward to the finished knife and the process you use..good luck on your build..
Thanks Bob.
Here we go!!! I believe you are going to be swamped with knife orders Dave! I wish you the best of luck in the knife business and hope the kids can start to help you in the near future. I look forward to owning a Bushradical improved Kephart design knife in the future.
Thanks AKman. I appreciate it.
Of course.@@Bushradical
Not sure how I missed these knife video's but I'm getting them now.
Have a great day
Good video !!!! cant wait to see the finished product. good luck in all you do . Going to want me one . I'm a knife freak hahaha .
Thanks Grant.
Congrats on 20k Subs
Thanks Mark.
@@Bushradicalcongrats on a million.
Another great vid. I really appreciated your thought process in the design of your knife blank. Keep up the good work.
Thanks David.
Hey Dave good video man I enjoyed it one day hopefully I'll have all the tools that you have and I could do my own thing and you just keep being Who You Are that's what makes us watch you love you man stay safe God bless
Thanks Scott. I appreciate that brother.
Congratulations on 20k+, Awesome job on knife blank Dave. I would suggest getting a respirator, I just did, it makes breathing so much better around all the metal dust..... save them lungs .
I have one. When I'm doing Ulus I use my respirator through all the handle work. I wouldn't do anything without it. I actually have asthma, so its important to me to use one....but here I was just taking the burs off so I didn't really think much of it.
As always Dave great job on the video! I really like your simplistic way of doing things. It's still bugging me that your working in that cold garage when there is a wood burner a couple feet away. I know your a tuff guy but maybe you could include it in your videos with a short fire side chat at the end of each video. Thanks again. Larry
Hey Larry, you're the second person thats mentioned the cold garage :) The thing is the garage is right next to the house so its easy to skip on over and do something then pop right back in the house....I don't start a fire unless I plan to be out there for a while.
WOW!! From 20K to over 440K... that is some increase! Mostly because your subs really enjoy you... and the content is cool!!!👍👍😁😁
Nice content and approach to this build. I didn’t realize you were a knife maker, too. I also like to make knives when I can, but I don’t have the shop space to do noisy metal work. That is usually do these days is reprofile or regrind old kitchen knives down into new patterns and then put new handles on them. When I was younger living with my parents in a rural area, I could do things like blacksmithing and heat treating of steel, but that’s pretty much out of the question in apartment living.
You sir are heavensent. I'm really happy i found your channel. You are the key i needed to start my own bushcraft adventure. I hope you and your family is doing good. God bless your creative and adventerous spirit. Sorry for my bad english.
High-fives to you, Dave! 20K Subscribers :) Way to go!! I'm really liking your design mods on the classic Kep. I agree on the thicker blade for batoning kindling as well as the blade tip shape. Really loving this series, sir! Kihelakayo ... God Bless :)
Thanks Dave!
you should do weekend, or week getaways. I would pay to come hangout with you for a weekend or a week, learn some things, enjoy what life tastes like off grid. Maybe make a knife or two.. even fish.. you name it lol.. you could make a business out of those cabins you make on your land.. food for thought
Really enjoy the videos you post, learn a lot from you. Would be interested to see what kind of stand you made for that Bauer portaband saw that you are using as a benchtop bandsaw. Thank you!
I just leave so many comments because I heard once the algorithm laws of the tube gods takes it into account hahahha see I'm not crazy i'm just talking to a robot every body!
Thanks Jutty.
Dave, I draw mine on paper and cut out. Use small magnets to hold on position on steel and hit It with white spray can lightly and then cut the blank out.
enjoyed, and thanks.. Keep up the positive YAK, never stop it.
Congrats on the 20,000 subscribers. I really enjoy both your and Brooke's videos. I like the knife design and look forward to the upcoming videos. Thanks for sharing
Thanks Murphy.....I'll pass on the good word to Brooke...she's right here.
I wonder if you could utilize 3d printing to quickly prototype a knife design
...Sent you an email about knife prototypes before I saw your video and suggested these things...lol. Looks great Dave. Can't wait to see final job.
Thanks Jeff. I hope to get them to water jet next week.
Dave. Did you ever start an online store for your knives?
Congratulations on your 20k subscriber milestone. Really enjoyed this video. I know you are just beginning your knife creations but I am wondering two things: 1) will they be available for people outside the U.S. to purchase and 2) will some of your designs favour smaller hands. I find the 5" to 6"and longer handles awkward with only a palm size of 3 & 3/4" "
I'm not sure how things will shake out....I probably won't make many large knives if any.
Run with it brother. 5/32nds. heck yeah! Orange G-10? D-2,? Great minds think alike? What the heck. Hope I can afford one of your first masterpieces Dave. Get that heat treat and temper most excellent!!! Yeah buddy. I'm a old counter top man and we water jet all of our granite in house. Brass rods cut down for pins w/ epoxy will be cost effective. Go Dave Go. I hope I'm in a position to be one of your first customers with your new knife shop. Tennessee
Thanks Jeff. I like the simplicity of solid pins for sure.
The first blank of "B Radical knifeworks". I look forward to more designs and content. Congratulations on 20k Dave. Have a Happy and prosperous New Year.
Thanks Mike.
Very intelligent decision, in making your first run a Kephart style blade!
Right down to the lanyard hole. I personally don't like lanyards, but it's very smart to include it, for those that do!
Sign me up for a two hole!!!
Pro tip.... make a bunch.... thank me later, lol!
Thanks ATB. I figured if I didn't put in a lanyard hole then 50% of the folks would want one....
Is the Delta Band saw working? - I like the knife shape. I'd have spaced the holes differently, but I don't know anything about knife making! :D Can't wait to see the finished product.
Cheers from a fellow Michigander.
Thanks David. I may actually space the holes a bit different. I'm not sure they are what they should be.
Hi Dave,
Just wanted to say hi from Alberta! Any update on the knife making project? I've been dabbling in it a bit myself for the last couple years. Its addictive!!
Hey Jordan, yes I have some knife making videos in the works. I'm doing some prototypes and switched to a port band for cutting out blanks.......so totally shifting gears.
Good move young man. Can't finish concrete till your 64. I'm a retired Carpenter & was done @ 57. I pray this works out for you. Good luck.
Thanks Billy.
Congrats on 20K eh! Im from the U.P. but currently live in Toronto. Have always love the Whipple family channels. keep it up and get me one of those knives!
Thanks KK!! Where in the U.P. are you from? Brooke and I spent a winter in North Republic ( south west of Ishpheming)..... Thats where I picked up the (EH!) that I have never lost since.
I watched this the other day. I've been thinking about those larger scraps you have left. Just a thought, how about using those to make small replica of the bigger knives, and sell some in pairs. My Dad had a beautiful set a long time ago. The sheath had a smaller sheath sewed to it so both knives used the same one. They must have came from an oriental country, because they had dragons embedded in pearl handles. Absolutely beautiful. Now I know you probably don't want to get that involved, but the big knife, small knife combo would probably sell good. Just a thought from Paul.
Interesting thought...
I just checked and you have 20,073 subs. Congrats Dave. Blank looks great. Cheers.
Thanks John.
I just bought a portaband to cut blanks with, I was grinding flatbar in a vise but I wanted to use up these 14 inch concrete blades. I said this before I am a concrete finisher I am Cultured Concrete on FB most of the work I do is stamped concrete I was tired of slabs and track builders about 30 yrs ago, your portaband mounting system is on point cheap and useful thanks Dave.
Thanks Henry. .....from a fellow concrete guy.
Hey Dave,
Maybe we can put a down payment on a first run knife, and you can put heat in the shop . In turn it might pickup production time :- )
Seriously my Ula is getting lonely in the drawer with foreign knives ( not made in Michigan ) :- o
I do have a wood stove in the garage but I work in the cold a lot. I don't mind, until it gets down in the teens.
Awesome
Hey Dave ! I always wanted a knife that is a little bit different then the rest! I kind of thought about adding a piece of sheet copper under each scale! Once polished out, I think it would look awesome! Especially with darker scales. What do you think?
I like it. I have been thinking of doing part of the run with copper rivets, and lanyard tube. I just think it looks awesome. Sheet copper liners would be way cool!
U hv a great channel Dave... pretty soon u won't be able to reply to all comments! Price of a bigger channel...
Nice lookin knife blank!
Planning on making any neck knives with that pattern?
Ive never had a neck knife so I don't really know what would make a good one. Even if I get to a million subs I'll always answer your comments. Thanks C2F!
Draw me a design you like and email it to me @ whippleconcrete@hotmail.com I can always work on it in between production.
what would you have to do , to keep from having to send your knives out of your shop ?.....ie...after you obtain your steel , all the work is done in shop.........or maybe a selection of different kinds of steel.....i have some d2 and some aus-8 and some other fancy-steel knives from bench-made ,and some custom-made , but the one i like the best is the aus-8 , of course that is me, other people i am sure have a different opinion......
Well, I don't really want to cut out 70 of the same blank......So I like the thought of water jet....But I would love to have a small forge and oven so I could do heat treat and keep rolling, without having to wait for stuff that was sent out.
Can't believe I missed the knife videos. 20K subs now your at 46K subs cheers!
Thanks
That clip point is exactly what i think of everytime i see a kepart
Dave, I make knives, I like what you're doin, and your presentation. Good luck in your endeavors !!!
Thanks Calvin. I'll keep documenting the process.....let me know if I get too far off course! LOL
Keep up the great work! Knife looks good. Please stop begging for negative comments too! Lol!!! God bless!!
LOL. Thanks Aubrey.
Hi Dave, my pc did a nose dive, so I'm sorry for not commenting lately. Doing this a my notebook is a pain lol. Cool video bud, Rock On!
Thanks Z. Sorry about your computer.
Helllo Dave W.i am going to want one of your first run.i guess we will see may be i'll get lucky.lol later brother GOOD LUCK...
Awesome. Thanks
Please inform when I can pre-order, congrats on your 20k milestone, your content is great bud! Keep at it!
Thats Charles.
Is that last hole too close to the lanyard hole? It looks as if the head of the rivet and the end of the lanyard tube will almost be touching - once the lanyard hole is larger and the tubing end flared. Looking good though and I like the idea of D2 (at around 60 RC). I have one and though it's a bear to get sharp it doesn't have to be resharpened so soon.
I will probably not use that hole.
congrats on 20k. I hope you do something other than D2 in the future. I was hoping you meant A2 and misspoke:)
I had ordered A2 steel but the supplier called and told me they were out and didn't catch the mistake in time...so they asked if I would be good with D2......thats why the first run will be D2
What kind of material are you using for the handle
Great video, really like that.
SurvivalAustria
Thanks SurvivalAustria!
Great video Dave. What hardness are you heat treating your blanks to? Hope I can be one of your first customers.
Hey Chris, I haven't determined that yet.....stay tuned. Thanks for the comment.
2 years later and 278,000 subscribers 😉
Cool design Dave! Looking forward to some grinding soon eh! Let the therapy begin! 👍🏼🍺 Cheers brother
Oh and congrats on the 20K subs! That’s Awesome!!
Thanks Steve. I really need to get grinding for sure. It seems like Ive done a lot of work and got nowhere so far.....but really I've just done a lot of thinking and very little "doing" . It'll be nice to have some work to go through.
I have some big metal cutting bandsaw blades I'm going to make into knives, I'm just waiting for the right pattern to do it!
Nice . Let me know how they turn out.
Congratulations on 20k. I’m ready to buy a knife. Let us know when they are ready
Thanks Michael. I'll let everyone know when they are done, but at the rate I'm going lately.....LOL, it won't be next week :)
Would like to see you make a filleting knife 8" blade...love your videos, great job!
Maybe someday
Congrats on the 20k David and a Happy New Year to you, Brooke and the kids.
Thanks
its a sin in germany to not vice grip the blank while drill pressing it :D so satiesfying to see the good ol industrial tools now seing working and paying off for you i love it =) !
hanks DH! Its fun to use the old stuff.
Congrats on 20k subs!! I just sub'd today. Been watching a lot of videos on making knives and came across yours this morning. I am going to attempt to make my son and myself a nice bushcraft knife. We are just getting into bushcrafting. We already have Condor Bushlore knives, but being that I am from WV where we like to make our own stuff, I want to try my hand at making a knife. We have been hunting, big thing here in WV, for years. I have been hunting for over 38 years and my son has been hunting for 15 years. I haven't seen all your videos, so I am going to be browsing around looking at your selections of videos, and keep and eye out for updates to this video. Thanks for sharing. Juddie - J & J TOA
Hey Juddie, thanks for the sub. I wish I had more knife vids up but I'm just getting started too. I have cousins down in West Virginia....down in Chapmanville.
@@Bushradical small world Dave! Well I live in Fayetteville a few miles from the famous New River Gorge Bridge. Lived here all my life, in WV, originally from Oak Hill which is only 6 miles from Fayetteville. I will be keeping an eye on your channel for updates on your experiences on your knife build. I might do a video of mine, but mine will be mostly all by hand. Don't have a band saw, do have a hand grinder and I need to make a gig for doing the bevel. Trying to gather as much information that I can gather right now. Have a great day. Juddie - J & J TOA
Best of luck Juddie.
What kind of grind will you be putting on these? Will you use a micro bevel?
Saber, and Convex probably.....maybe a high Scandi with a small secondary
I'm tracking with you on the blade tip. I do prefer something a bit more stabby-er-ish (I made this word up) than the traditional Kephart spearpoint so nicely done! Since you are over 1/8" thick be sure to get the grind high enough so it will still cut through space and time easily and not just be a pry bar. Congrats on the 2,000,000 subs... aim high right!
Thanks C2. I was thinking probably a saber grind or a full flat . I don't want to make pry bars . LOL
Great video Dave. Just curious, where will the knives be placed for sale.. your website? Also, do you have an approximate time table that knives will become available?
I haven't made it that far yet...I'll be documenting the whole process so when they are ready I should be ready to sell them. I may do a small website.
@@Bushradical okie dokie. Thanks very much
What speed were you using on the band saw here?
Looking pretty Kepharty to me Dave ! Looking forward to how you make the handles and stuff. Wondering if you are going to start using micarta ? If you make a micarta handled Kephart , I'm going to need to get one ! LOve your channel and all the best to you in 2019 Pete/Ab.
Hey Pete. Actually I do plan on using micarta.
@@Bushradical Awesome Dave. ! I have milkcrates of knives , but all these years never found a nice micarta one. My dream knife really.
Looking forward to see how it all turns out.
Dave, I think that you may have read my mind! I've been somewhat attracted to Kephart knives, the that rounded spear point has always struck me as rather odd, and not very utilitarian. Congrats on 20K subs!
Thanks MCO.
Awesome video Dave! You should make up a bunch and bring them to the Michigan Bushcraft Spring Gathering! I'll be bringing mine with me.
Maybe I'll do that. At the rate I'm getting things done, I hope they are done by may :)
@@Bushradical ah, you'll get em done 🙂
I've added metal to a axe with a welder that someone abused very badly and then retempered it! It came out pretty good!
Awesome!
Congrads Dave! Indeed 20 is a milestone!
Thanks Aaron.
Is it expensive to send knives to water jeting
Awesome, you can not go wrong with a kephart design, love it.
Thanks Mitchel.
I've dug out lots of slivers with a knife, its got to be a sharp and pointed!
YES! I feel the same way.
Congrats on 20K subs, what do recommend as the best steel for a beginner to make a knife out of, thanks and look forward to seeing your first completed knife.
Thanks Andy! To answer your question about what is the best to start out with......I'm just starting out myself!! LOL Ive read that o1 is good for beginners. Also that 1084 is very forgiving to work with.
@@Bushradical Thanks Dave
How do I go about getting a blade. I would like to put the handle on myself. .?
This is as far as Ive got so far. LOL
Dave you are just a great person and I hope that you have time to make a second run of your knifes because I want one!!
Your videos are awesome
Great looking knife so far. Keep up the good work.
Thanks LTS!
I could totally do this! But I’d have to have to learn to be a lefty because I’d only have one finger left on my right hand.
Just don't sneeze when your running the bandsaw.
Bushradical 😂
Just started watching your videos a lot of good things here thank you
Thanks Russell
Do you have a resource for the water jet company you use? Thanks.
No, ive been cutting out my own.
Dave, try this:take pencil edge and cover the back side of drawing with broad graphite lines, make it as covered/thick as you can. Flip it over and now trace it onto the cardboard. It will preserve your original drawing AND the image won't "grow" with any mistaken lines you may have the other way.
Thanks
@@Bushradical you're doing a great job. I love your passion and drive.
Thanks
Man, I´m looking forward to your first Knife for offer, quite curious how muh it will be.
I don't really know what I'll charge. Its will depend on my cost per knife/sheath, consumables like sanding belts & epoxy and how much time I have into each unit.
Yeah, that’s how you calculate it 😊 As I said, I‘m curious about the outcome and looking forward to it. Hopefully I can afford it 😉
Looks like you got a great design can't wait for the next video
Thanks Tony
Think I'd like that design very much!
Thanks Bruce.
Hi Dave , are you going to make sheaths for the knives ? I want one two pins in the handle and want the pins black :)
Hey Robert, I am going to make sheaths for my knives. As for pins...the first run of knives will probably not be black.
@@Bushradical Hi Dave, thanks for the response. Cant wait to see the finished product. So happy to purchase American made products.
I want a mineee kepheart . Shorter .. THINNER scales w / that slight clip point on not more than a 2.75" blade of rust resistant steel . All cased in a front pocket sheath , not easily seen from a distance .
Bark river makes a mini Kephart.
@@Bushradical every kepheart knife I ever saw a video of too thick and or too long to carry in My front pocket ( concealed) . I say sell em all right here on Your youtube channel ( if You can) ! Have You ever forged knives for sale to the public ?
I sold a batch of knives last fall ( about 14) but I didn't make anything like what you described. I really think you need to check out that bark river mini Kephart.....its small and thin
Great video. Cool looking blade shape.
Thanks TZ!
Congrats on hitting 20000 subs. Well deserved. I got a knife blank for Christmas and put the scales on, I think I may be starting an addiction. I am already planning on making some files knives.I am looking forward to watching your process, I have lots to learn. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks Kevin.....but you probably know as much as I do..So you may not learn much LOL.
The drop point tip of your knife is similar to my Ontario RAT1 folder which I carry every day and love. It is very useful in all situations and agree with you that the shape will serve most users in most uses very well. I like your approach. If a knife buyer wanted one that was perfect in every aspect with laser accuracy, then any one of the mass-produced models would do. If one is looking for an artists' eye, then yours would fit the bill. Thanks, Dave for letting us look over your shoulder in your shop.
Thanks Lincoln. I really appreciate that.
Man how do you rate 20K subs?
Oh wait...That's right your channel is about 250 time better than mine LOL
You just wait I'll get better an some day I will have 20K subs just like you
Remember the old days when someone said, I'm 12 and you're only 8 and your reply was, just you wait in four more years I will be just as old as you are LOL
I said that to my cousins in Michigan one time and the whole room burst out in laughter
I do have a grinder and was wondering about making knives one time like that with some flat steel
I was not going to cut anything out and just use a grinder to shape one edge of a piece of flat steel into a good size blade then make a handle for it
Well I was not into the video long enough to find out you were just making a pattern for waterjet to cut out some stainless steel blanks for and I thought you were going to make one out of that flat steel
I still have to wonder if I took a piece of flat steel like the kind found at home depot if it would stay sharp for long because they come in 3 foot lengths of which would make a neat looking sword or like 3-4 knives
Then after I would have to heat treat it real good to make it harder than the regular steel was I suppose
Actually not sure if that will even work but might try it someday as that flat steel is not real expensive anyway
Keep it up as I love y'alls videos and they are a great source of information
Thanks Ray. As for the home depot steel, it is too soft to use ( doesn't have enough carbon) . I think its like 1020. You want like a 1070 at least. Which, shouldn't cost much more actually.
@@Bushradical Well do not know if I was told right or not but I was told I could heat it up red hot and rub raw charcoal on the steel and that would add more carbon to make it a higher carbon steel and then I could make a knife
Really it would seem easier just to start with a higher carbon steel I would think from a metal supplier than going thru all of that
So busy with my having fun on the farm thing it is all I seem to look forward to now days is killing them pesky hogs and raccoons but was thinking I need something in between and I might try to make some knives as a way to learn something new
Besides, It's too cold out there in them hills to be hunting this time of year LOL
Right on. KNifemaking sounds like a good past time....as for the charcoal thing....I'm the wrong guy to ask, I'm just getting started myself.
@@Bushradical Yes it is better just to buy the already hardened steel as I'm told I would need a commercial forge and a lot of other expensive equipment to make hardened steel or AR500 steel even but about $100,000 for that equipment
I'll check the local steel suppliers and see what they have but Sat looks good for a hunt wind out of the south and no moon so have to wait till I get back from trying to get some wild hog for some neighbors
My freezer is packed so I told them I would give them the meat I harvest this time
Still looking forward to three. One for my grandson, one for my son, and one for myself. You won't have to ship them to Holland. I will come pick them up. I would like to shake the hand of the man who handmade our knives. Love the design and looking forward to following your process.
Thanks EM. Look forward to it.
Dave, I really think you should wear goggles over your glasses when cutting or grinding metal. Take care.
Thanks, I won't argue with you, I just don't have any at the moment.
I don't use goggles, they fog up to bad, I use a face shield!
@@donaldhofman296 Good tip!
Looks great brother! Can’t wait to see your first run!
Thanks Landon.
Hey Dave! Great looking knife man🙂 what are you planning on using for scales?
Probably Micarta. I like the fact its trouble free.
Can't wait to see the finished look,just awesome I bet,ty for sharing 👍😊...
Thanks Cheryl.
Dave! Man you're doing it!!! I'm excited to see the progress you're making. I'm a firm believer that people that influence a good circle of like minded people are of the best character, keep it coming brother, great video.
Thanks !! I appreciate that.
I've always felt the same as far as the point on a Kephart. I would definitely be interested in purchasing one of those knives when you have some for sale! I love the videos, thanks Dave!
Thanks Darby.
looking forward to your 2" x 72" belt grinder build :). You know it's coming. lol
LOL, I actually have another 2 hp motor and I might do just that!
Dave the clip point works well, more point function. Take care.
Thanks Mark.
damn I've gotta use a hand file and hacksaw lol
WOW! Thats hard core.