Recommend checking local electrical supply houses before buying wire at the big box stores. I needed 50' of red #6 THHN. $1.59/ft at the big orange store, $.71/ft at a large national chain of supply houses with 600+ branches
I like your videos so much. Just showing what you do day to day. Also the fact that there’s no complicated legalese to it. Service entry work on my own has been intimidating to me as starting out maintenance electrician and seeing you do it has been great to help me get a work flow together. Thank you.
Hey Ron, I appreciate your videos to show how hard it can be to install home electrical. As a master electrician, I am putting a notice on this video stating that 6awg Romex is not rated to be installed on a 60amp breaker. The NEC 110.3(B) states, listed or labeled equipment shall be installed and used in accordance with any instructions included in the listing or labeling. This rule is easily overlooked. Per manufacturer rules of all romex you shall install to the ampacity of no more than 60 degrees. This means 55 amps max on 6awg romex. No exceptions. Please correct future installs and remember electricians are obligated to install to the minimum guidelines on the code book regardless of what your jurisdiction says , you cannot go beneath it. Feel free to use 4awg aluminum SEU or 6awg copper SEU or use conduit 6awg thwn.
6/2 NM is good for 55 amperes. Read about NJ's decision to allow the use of 6/2 NM here: www.nj.gov/dca/divisions/codes/publications/pdf_ccc/CCC_Fall_2023.pdf
Ryan Jackson just posted a video about this specifically on his RUclips page. I suggest everyone check it out. 4awg must be used no question. This is not a promo. Ron I suggest you see what he has to say. You have to go by the 60 degree table with nm cable.
Great Video! That 6/.2 is really hard to work with. I just installed a Tesla Universal Wall Connector at my home, and just bending and cutting the 6/2 was a pain in the ass. I was also surprised by how much the 6/2 cable cost. I would make one recommendation to help you. Buy a 12-volt Milwaukee impact driver instead of a hammer drill. It is light, and believe it or not, it has over 100 ft-lbs of driving force. It will help you drive your screws into wood much easier, and you can use it to tighten electrical screws (snug them up) and loosen frozen screws. It's small and easy to carry and it is much better than a drill. For example, installing the Torx screws in this charger would have gone MUCH quicker using the 12V Milwaukee impact driver. It won't over-drive the screws and strip them out if you are careful because it has a variable speed trigger. If you learn to use a small impact driver instead of a screwdriver and drill, it will save you a lot of time. With really delicate screws, you will still need to use a screwdriver, but you will find that you can use this small impact driver to drive 3" wood screws as well as a wide assortment of other screws.
Good educational video. Wish I had the skill and patience to record and edit all our work. For now I'll just keep telling my guys to watch your channel.
When you were landing the Romex in the panel I kept looking for the grounding conductor but never saw it. From then on I was so distracted, kept wondering what kind of exception would allow you to skip running one. And then I saw it at the charger. Stupid comment, I know. Great work, as usual.
I do a lot of these ev charger installations. I’ve put #8 on a 60 amp breaker using a 14/50 receptacle before and havent had any problems out of it. It’s used daily. It was a hurry up rushed job and all I had on the truck was some #8 Romex and a qo260 breaker. Most of the time,99%, I use #6 either Romex or THHN. That time I used the #8 it was a run of like 10ft from the panel to the outlet. I also didn’t use gfci protection oh 😱
Great work Ron. I just bought a fixer-upper with old mc with no ground, the previous owner had a nice modern 150 Amp service panel installed. But all the wiring is ancient. How should I look for shared neutrals? I'm now replacing receptacles. (until I'm able to start rewiring).
Hi Ron... Another great video. Question 1: At 7:31, you post 625.41 which requires overcurrent protection with a rating of not less than 125 percent of the max load of the equipment. At 9:31, it appears that you install a 60 amp bkr for this 50 amp load. It that acceptable? Question 2: Is 55 amp rated 6-2 romex (as opposed to #6 THHN) acceptable for this 50 amp continuous load?
Very nice job Ron I have a lot of electrical knowledge but am not an electrician but the main breaker goes off before I remove the panel cover and does not go back on until the cover is secure don't need any nasty surprises
Great video Ron. The struggles are definitely real. I'm getting ready to get into EV installs and I was curious to know what to charge for an install like this? Thanks Ron.
Great video Ron! When mounting the charger on vinyl siding do I need to find a stud to secure the bracket screws into or the plywood beneath the siding is good enough? Also, do you recommend applying silicone around the charger?
Hey Ron, I just stumbled upon your channel today an subscribed right away! The more I watched your videos the more I felt a connection.. Your an electrician by trade that also has a passion for woodwork an tools. love your sweater #finishcarpentryTV! Really looking forward to watching your future content, So keep up the great work and Thanks for your knowledge!
Ron, greetings from Ukraine. My question is: Do you torque the connections with a torque tool to check and how stringent are your requirements for this? Thank you.
Going Crazy! 😵💫 Maybe you can help. When connecting a disconnect box on a vinyl siding home, can I use a standard Romex connector on the back of the box and connect 12/2 to it. I will use duct seal clay to fill any voids behind the box. I can’t find any info on this online. Love your videos! Thank you Ron!
Hey Ron. I am enjoying the video. One question. Does the NEC prohibit install type nm cable in conduit. Also is #6 nm (60 degree C Insulation) approved for 60 amps? Thanks
@@jimchapp254 I've done more EV chargers than I care too remember. The disconnect is only required for over 60 amps. Most are only 40-60 amps even with the 125% as required by NEC 625.
Hey Ron I’ve been going threw all your vids can’t get enough. Quick question whenever your doing drilling with the m12 is that still with the impact or do you use the m12 drill
@@electricianron_New_Jersey I guy I work with said he failed before using romex. I never really thought about it until he brought it up. Most the hardwired ones Iev done were piped. The terminal in charger only go to #6 so they splice box in garage to #6 thhn. I think it is better to not have splice or aluminum so I was wondering if you had encountered any problems with it! Sounds like your state is on the same page about!
@@electricianron_New_Jersey what is the size of the bottom knockout for that unit? I have one arriving on Saturday and I want to have all of my supplies ready to go when it arrives.
@@jeremiahnewsom7775 I used to wire all 48 amp EV chargers with 6/2 NM until inspectors started failing my installs, which never made sense because the conductors in the NM have 90 degree rated insulation and should handle the load fine. Switched to pipe and 6/2 MC, and haven't switched back to NM yet because I don't want a super trooper inspector to fail me and make me redo the entire install.
I love it when people buy an EV and then spend more to be able to charge it while creating jobs. In seven to ten years the battery will go where? Nice work Ron!
Hey Ron, I am a very new residential electrical contractor in Washington. Right now I am solo like yourself and was wondering what your opinion is on becoming a certified installer of particular brands of equipment. For example, you can become an Eaton Certified Installer for about $500. I would like to hear your thoughts on this- is it worth it? Thanks buddy!
Watching you from LaPorte, Indiana. Stay safe my friend. 👍👍
Hey Ron!
Just purchased 6/3 Romex at HD! I nearly had a heart attack!
Nice job as always. Be safe brother
Right? Try selling it and installing it. It’s not cheap!
Recommend checking local electrical supply houses before buying wire at the big box stores. I needed 50' of red #6 THHN. $1.59/ft at the big orange store, $.71/ft at a large national chain of supply houses with 600+ branches
I like your videos so much.
Just showing what you do day to day. Also the fact that there’s no complicated legalese to it. Service entry work on my own has been intimidating to me as starting out maintenance electrician and seeing you do it has been great to help me get a work flow together. Thank you.
It’s flattering to get comments like this. It makes me happy to know people learn from watching my videos. It’s a great feeling and I thank you.
Hey Ron, I appreciate your videos to show how hard it can be to install home electrical. As a master electrician, I am putting a notice on this video stating that 6awg Romex is not rated to be installed on a 60amp breaker. The NEC 110.3(B) states, listed or labeled equipment shall be installed and used in accordance with any instructions included in the listing or labeling. This rule is easily overlooked. Per manufacturer rules of all romex you shall install to the ampacity of no more than 60 degrees. This means 55 amps max on 6awg romex. No exceptions. Please correct future installs and remember electricians are obligated to install to the minimum guidelines on the code book regardless of what your jurisdiction says , you cannot go beneath it. Feel free to use 4awg aluminum SEU or 6awg copper SEU or use conduit 6awg thwn.
Go read the DCA on the 55 amps and lmk.
6/2 NM is good for 55 amperes. Read about NJ's decision to allow the use of 6/2 NM here: www.nj.gov/dca/divisions/codes/publications/pdf_ccc/CCC_Fall_2023.pdf
Does anyone know if this allowance has been made in other states? Installing EV chargers is going to be more and more common. Great video, Ron.
It does contradict the language in NEC Article 210.19(A)(1) so best to check with your states requirements. @@donmclean1220
Ryan Jackson just posted a video about this specifically on his RUclips page. I suggest everyone check it out. 4awg must be used no question. This is not a promo. Ron I suggest you see what he has to say. You have to go by the 60 degree table with nm cable.
What’s the code for putting romex through pvc?
Love the DeWaukita Hoodie ! - Thanks for the video.
Nice Job Ron. Keep up the great work. I love the fact that "Struggles are real".
Thanks 👍
Love the sand bur stuck on the back of your cap. We have them in Cape May too.
1st!! Diggin' that "DeWaukita" hoodie.
The Dewaukita hoodies can be found @FinishcarpentryTV channel.
Thank You and you have exceeded my expectations. I recommended your business to my community page. Hope to see you around. Thank Again
Thanks Paul!
Love throwing on your videos while I do dishes and meal prep lunches for the week
What was the total cost for the homeowner for this type of work
Hey Ron saw this job took about 8 hrs to complete start to finish. Can you share range of total cost for a similar job like this?
Great Video! That 6/.2 is really hard to work with. I just installed a Tesla Universal Wall Connector at my home, and just bending and cutting the 6/2 was a pain in the ass. I was also surprised by how much the 6/2 cable cost.
I would make one recommendation to help you. Buy a 12-volt Milwaukee impact driver instead of a hammer drill. It is light, and believe it or not, it has over 100 ft-lbs of driving force. It will help you drive your screws into wood much easier, and you can use it to tighten electrical screws (snug them up) and loosen frozen screws. It's small and easy to carry and it is much better than a drill. For example, installing the Torx screws in this charger would have gone MUCH quicker using the 12V Milwaukee impact driver. It won't over-drive the screws and strip them out if you are careful because it has a variable speed trigger. If you learn to use a small impact driver instead of a screwdriver and drill, it will save you a lot of time. With really delicate screws, you will still need to use a screwdriver, but you will find that you can use this small impact driver to drive 3" wood screws as well as a wide assortment of other screws.
Good educational video. Wish I had the skill and patience to record and edit all our work. For now I'll just keep telling my guys to watch your channel.
Thank you. Yes, it takes a lot of time and effort to make decent videos. I love teaching so I’m going to keep doing them.
Good job Ron, I always go extra on the wire, better too long than too short.
Right on
A little scrap never hurt no one. Repulling cuz someone shorted the wire footage hurts tho.
That unit is definitely a pain with all the Torx screws…excellent work as always Ron 👍👍
Thanks 👍
When you were landing the Romex in the panel I kept looking for the grounding conductor but never saw it. From then on I was so distracted, kept wondering what kind of exception would allow you to skip running one. And then I saw it at the charger. Stupid comment, I know. Great work, as usual.
Love those Greenlee sandwich warmer 👍 nice job
Ron if there is a code violation does the inspector inform the homeowner or just you?
This person would just leave a sticker. They’re supposed to leave an NEC section for reference but that’s not always the case.
Are there any requirements for a GFCI breaker for an EVSE? Thanks. Great video!!
Only if you’re using a receptacle like the 14-50.
Thank you!
I do a lot of these ev charger installations. I’ve put #8 on a 60 amp breaker using a 14/50 receptacle before and havent had any problems out of it. It’s used daily. It was a hurry up rushed job and all I had on the truck was some #8 Romex and a qo260 breaker. Most of the time,99%, I use #6 either Romex or THHN. That time I used the #8 it was a run of like 10ft from the panel to the outlet. I also didn’t use gfci protection oh 😱
So next time you do better right?
@@electricianron_New_Jersey yes sir. I haven’t done that again and I never will 👍🏼
Hey Ron nice work what brand work pants are you wearing
Great work Ron. I just bought a fixer-upper with old mc with no ground, the previous owner had a nice modern 150 Amp service panel installed. But all the wiring is ancient.
How should I look for shared neutrals? I'm now replacing receptacles. (until I'm able to start rewiring).
Open up the panel cover and look for any 3-wire branch circuits. You may, or may not have them.
Thanks good buddy
Hi Ron... Another great video. Question 1: At 7:31, you post 625.41 which requires overcurrent protection with a rating of not less than 125 percent of the max load of the equipment. At 9:31, it appears that you install a 60 amp bkr for this 50 amp load. It that acceptable? Question 2: Is 55 amp rated 6-2 romex (as opposed to #6 THHN) acceptable for this 50 amp continuous load?
NM 6/2 is only rated for 55 amps but the Division of Consumer Affairs has approved this wiring method for EV Chargers.
Very nice job Ron I have a lot of electrical knowledge but am not an electrician but the main breaker goes off before I remove the panel cover and does not go back on until the cover is secure don't need any nasty surprises
Yeah that’s definitely safer.
Great video Ron. The struggles are definitely real. I'm getting ready to get into EV installs and I was curious to know what to charge for an install like this? Thanks Ron.
Anywhere from $900-$2500 depending on where panel is and where the charger is going.
@@electricianron_New_Jersey Thanks Ron. Really enjoying the videos.
nice and sweet, thanks
Great video Ron! When mounting the charger on vinyl siding do I need to find a stud to secure the bracket screws into or the plywood beneath the siding is good enough? Also, do you recommend applying silicone around the charger?
Nice job, as always. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
How long start to finish did this take? Thanks Ron. Stay warm this winter on those outside jobs.
Start to finish including picking up materials, looking at the work before being hired, and the permit process, about (8) hours total.
Great video
nice work Ron as usual! i like the sweater!
Thanks!
Love the hoodie!
RUclipsr sells them on his page: @Finish Carpentry TV
Hi Ron, do you remember the size of conduit used to hook up to the charger? Thanks
3/4" PVC
Sweet Hoodie!
Hey Ron, I just stumbled upon your channel today an subscribed right away! The more I watched your videos the more I felt a connection.. Your an electrician by trade that also has a passion for woodwork an tools. love your sweater #finishcarpentryTV! Really looking forward to watching your future content, So keep up the great work and Thanks for your knowledge!
Thanks man. Thanks for subscribing too!
Great Video. Nice Job. Thank you for sharing
I'd like to understand how you determine if the electrical service has the capacity to add a 60 amp continuous load EVSE.
I do a load calculation if the BLDG DEPT requires one. Would you like a video about that?
Yes@@electricianron_New_Jersey
That would be a very interesting video
Load CALC would be great! Curious to how one is done correctly
Nice job Ron!
Great work as usual Ron!
Thank you! Cheers!
Thank you for your videos....
Ron, greetings from Ukraine. My question is: Do you torque the connections with a torque tool to check and how stringent are your requirements for this? Thank you.
Most EI’s don’t check for torque anything, especially old timers.
@@electricianron_New_Jersey Thanks for the answer))
@@cengebLottery.)))
Did you set this charger to 48 amps or 50?
@@jay9308 47
Going Crazy! 😵💫
Maybe you can help. When connecting a disconnect box on a vinyl siding home, can I use a standard Romex connector on the back of the box and connect 12/2 to it. I will use duct seal clay to fill any voids behind the box. I can’t find any info on this online. Love your videos! Thank you Ron!
Yes, absolutely
@@electricianron_New_Jersey Thank you so much for your help over the years. It is greatly appreciated.
Hey Ron. I am enjoying the video. One question. Does the NEC prohibit install type nm cable in conduit. Also is #6 nm (60 degree C Insulation) approved for 60 amps? Thanks
It is in New Jersey but not by the NEC.
Great work, Ron. What headlamp are you using?
600 Lumen by Milwaukee.
Nice pvc bending and yes those chargers are a pain to open
Tell me about it!
You’re in my town today
I would have helped you
no sub panel for 60 amps ?
Why?
NEC 2017 60 amps or more needs a shut off sub panel
@@jimchapp254 I've done more EV chargers than I care too remember. The disconnect is only required for over 60 amps. Most are only 40-60 amps even with the 125% as required by NEC 625.
@@electricianron_New_Jersey thanks , for clearing that up for me
Thanks.
Eh, not unusual.
@@electricianron_New_Jersey true.
Hi From ISRAEL
love the swetshirt ...
I like your sweatshirt I have one too from another youtuber!
Hey Ron I’ve been going threw all your vids can’t get enough. Quick question whenever your doing drilling with the m12 is that still with the impact or do you use the m12 drill
I usually use M18 for drilling holes. I’m slowly moving away from using the impact and choosing the M12 drill/ driver for driving screws and such.
Hey Ron is 6/3 romex good for 55amps 60degree? I know the terminals are only good for 6awg. That hoodie is badass!!!!!!
Per 2020 NEC, #6 Romex is good for 55 amps.
Per the NJ DCA 6/2 is good for 55 amps and acceptable.
@@electricianron_New_Jersey I guy I work with said he failed before using romex. I never really thought about it until he brought it up. Most the hardwired ones Iev done were piped. The terminal in charger only go to #6 so they splice box in garage to #6 thhn. I think it is better to not have splice or aluminum so I was wondering if you had encountered any problems with it! Sounds like your state is on the same page about!
@@electricianron_New_Jersey what is the size of the bottom knockout for that unit? I have one arriving on Saturday and I want to have all of my supplies ready to go when it arrives.
@@jeremiahnewsom7775 I used to wire all 48 amp EV chargers with 6/2 NM until inspectors started failing my installs, which never made sense because the conductors in the NM have 90 degree rated insulation and should handle the load fine. Switched to pipe and 6/2 MC, and haven't switched back to NM yet because I don't want a super trooper inspector to fail me and make me redo the entire install.
I love it when people buy an EV and then spend more to be able to charge it while creating jobs. In seven to ten years the battery will go where? Nice work Ron!
As long as my vote is counted.
@@electricianron_New_Jersey Oh, it probably will be counted at least ten times. lol
Do buddy tail your tape ?
Wtf are u asking me?
do you leave a twisted end on your tape when you have to remove the tape @@electricianron_New_Jersey
@@jefffielder2429 yes! I call it “the Dolan” because the person who showed me was taught by an electrician named Tim Dolan. True story.
I call it a “ courtesy tab” 👍🏼
Hey Ron, I am a very new residential electrical contractor in Washington. Right now I am solo like yourself and was wondering what your opinion is on becoming a certified installer of particular brands of equipment. For example, you can become an Eaton Certified Installer for about $500. I would like to hear your thoughts on this- is it worth it? Thanks buddy!
How come I don't hear cursing, while you are working???
watch some of may older videos. it's there.
the faster the charge, the more heat of batteries, more chance of fire
lol - how about a red sharpie? I'm being sarcastic.
Your head is fat due to all the electrical brains in it......🤓
🤣🤣🤣
No plastic bushing on that male connector?? Lol jk