Best review of the new Shimano motors ive seen. I just got a new bike w ep8 1 and I noticed how improved everything was compared to the 2018 model year. Less noise, more power, better ride characteristics.
Thanks for that insight into shamano unit because I've just 0rdered the Vitus E-Escarpe with the Ep6 motor, which I bought in the sale for £2,649.00 so I can't complain
Does the EP801 have a built in power meter for your own input power like on the Bosch CX? In boost mode, how long is the overrun? The Bosch CX states 1m extended boost, so is the EP801 around the same?
Thanks for your videos on the EP8. I’m weighing up on getting a new bike with an EP800 and every day i change my mind on it. I am worried its not powerful enough on speeds over 17kmh and also worried about the lack of repairability. I currently ride a Bafang M600. Very easy to repair and cheaper and easier to replace down the track. What is the expected longevity of the EP8, do people have these things running reliability for 4 years?
IN my interview with Shimano, they said something along the lines of "the motor was designed to last the life time of the bike, or at least the lifetime of other major components, such as suspension". I guess things might change. Upcoming motors will likely be designed with the EU "right to repair" in mind.
I'm inclined to say Shimano and Auto Shift. Just to experience it more. But going Sram Transmission seems like a safe bet. I haven't tested it myself, yet...
@@EMTBVideos After writing the comment I bent my second XTR mech in as many months. I now have the new AXS, and trying to get used to pushing buttons instead of levers. I did manage to be in the wrong gear a few times(muscle memory hasn’t kicked in yet)and thought of you and the XT di2 😅
@@timgearing5121 That sucks. I don't bend many derailleurs, only when they're very expensive (: I always fiddle a bit with the electronic shifters if I haven't used it in a while. The positioning of the levers makes me shift the wrong way in the beginning. Other than that, I really like the old AXS. The new one seems even better.
I have shimano ep8 and parts are very dificult to find on amazon, cranks cant find 165 em900 cant find battery latch cant fine di2 derauler cant was very hard to find the charge port cable
Great video, I guess the reason why the EP6 behaves like the old EP800 is because they both "only" have 500w peak power, while the new EP801 have 600w.
While pedaling uphill, neither of them are too bad I think. There are other full fat motors that are noisier. Descending or coasting, the EP801 has been much more quiet than the 2020-2022 EP800. That could change as the motor wears, but it seems they have improved the motor rattle significantly.
@@EMTBVideos thank you. That’s good to hear. I didn’t buy the Santa Cruz Bullit because of the rattle. I had an intense Tazer and that sounded like a shopping cart going down the mountain so I was apprehensive about the Santa Cruz also using the EP800. The Specialized Brosd motors are completely silent on the descend. I hope the EP801 will be the same.
If we don't take into account the weight, do you think there is an advantage to taking the H10 with the EP801? (Sorry for my english; i'm a french speaker)
I guess that's not impossible (: It seems the new EP8 (801) and EP6 have better bottom bracket seals than the old EP8. I rode an EP6 all winter, but that was all snow and no puddles.
I guess you can buy the components if you really want to. But I don't think it's worth it. You'll need to swap all the expensive parts to make it work. The EP801 and EP6 needs the new gen2 BMS which means you need a new battery, and you need a new power button. Probably better off selling the bike and buying a new one.
Best review of the new Shimano motors ive seen. I just got a new bike w ep8 1 and I noticed how improved everything was compared to the 2018 model year. Less noise, more power, better ride characteristics.
Thanks for that insight into shamano unit because I've just 0rdered the Vitus E-Escarpe with the Ep6 motor, which I bought in the sale for £2,649.00 so I can't complain
They went down to £1800 in the end 😮
@@CharlieHarper-d4x was this at wiggle and crc?
Great comparitive review, well done and thank you!
Thanks!
Does the EP801 have a built in power meter for your own input power like on the Bosch CX?
In boost mode, how long is the overrun? The Bosch CX states 1m extended boost, so is the EP801 around the same?
Did you ever figure out the answer to your questions?
@@Cassienope Yes you can not display the power input of the rider. The overrun is about 1m I would say-
Very nice 👍
Thanks for your videos on the EP8. I’m weighing up on getting a new bike with an EP800 and every day i change my mind on it. I am worried its not powerful enough on speeds over 17kmh and also worried about the lack of repairability. I currently ride a Bafang M600. Very easy to repair and cheaper and easier to replace down the track. What is the expected longevity of the EP8, do people have these things running reliability for 4 years?
IN my interview with Shimano, they said something along the lines of "the motor was designed to last the life time of the bike, or at least the lifetime of other major components, such as suspension". I guess things might change. Upcoming motors will likely be designed with the EU "right to repair" in mind.
@@EMTBVideos that's a worthless statement. Same as with BMW or VAG transmissions or chains. Lifetime can be very short.
@@MikaHakkinen83shimanon motin rattaat saa kyllä vaihdettua ja sitä kautta motin kuntoon.
If you had a choice between the Shimano 801 XT auto and a Bosch CX with the new SRAM AXS, which would you choose?
Bosch still best motor...
I'm inclined to say Shimano and Auto Shift. Just to experience it more. But going Sram Transmission seems like a safe bet. I haven't tested it myself, yet...
@@EMTBVideos After writing the comment I bent my second XTR mech in as many months. I now have the new AXS, and trying to get used to pushing buttons instead of levers. I did manage to be in the wrong gear a few times(muscle memory hasn’t kicked in yet)and thought of you and the XT di2 😅
@@timgearing5121 That sucks. I don't bend many derailleurs, only when they're very expensive (:
I always fiddle a bit with the electronic shifters if I haven't used it in a while. The positioning of the levers makes me shift the wrong way in the beginning. Other than that, I really like the old AXS. The new one seems even better.
Bosch hands down
Got a bike with Shimano EP8 RS. Is it possible to change limit from 20mph to 28mph?
I have shimano ep8 and parts are very dificult to find on amazon, cranks cant find 165 em900 cant find battery latch cant fine di2 derauler cant was very hard to find the charge port cable
Hi there, do you know any device to desrestrict speed limit on Ep801..? It is a great motor but 23 kmh is too slow. Thnks
Hi. I don't know. I've never looked into derestricing.
Great video, I guess the reason why the EP6 behaves like the old EP800 is because they both "only" have 500w peak power, while the new EP801 have 600w.
Kind of annoying, doesnt the Brose have something like 700 peak?
@@RoyTheKing241 EP6 ist listed on the Propain website as having 600W
@@maxid87same question I am also thinking of buying the new propain.
@@sonimaniacs from what I read the EP801 is the same motor just different housing made of magnesium and therefore lighter. I am gonna get the EP6
The EP 6 delievers also 600w
So does the EP801 make a ton of noise like the old one or not?
While pedaling uphill, neither of them are too bad I think. There are other full fat motors that are noisier. Descending or coasting, the EP801 has been much more quiet than the 2020-2022 EP800. That could change as the motor wears, but it seems they have improved the motor rattle significantly.
@@EMTBVideos thank you. That’s good to hear. I didn’t buy the Santa Cruz Bullit because of the rattle. I had an intense Tazer and that sounded like a shopping cart going down the mountain so I was apprehensive about the Santa Cruz also using the EP800. The Specialized Brosd motors are completely silent on the descend. I hope the EP801 will be the same.
What bike is that 2 minutes in?
It's a Bulls Sonic EVO EN-SL 1 that Shimano installed an EP6 motor on. Nice bike!
I just got an Orbea H20 with the EP6. My cuttoff is 25,6km/h.
It ramps down from about 25.2 and cuts completely at 25.6?
does your engine make noise when you are riding ? thank you
Same question, how noisy is your EP6 on the downs?
If we don't take into account the weight, do you think there is an advantage to taking the H10 with the EP801? (Sorry for my english; i'm a french speaker)
Shimano are great in brakes and transmision system, but these motors for ebikes are problematic, TQ motors is way better to go 🤷🏽♂️
Can these be ruined running through a creek?
I guess that's not impossible (: It seems the new EP8 (801) and EP6 have better bottom bracket seals than the old EP8. I rode an EP6 all winter, but that was all snow and no puddles.
How about being wrecked by just being in a rain event ...
My ep 6 swans to cut out at 19.5 20mph but dreams to not kick back on again until 18mph.
CAN CONSUMERS BUY THE NEW EP801 SYSTEMS TO UPGRADE EVENTUALLY?
I guess you can buy the components if you really want to. But I don't think it's worth it. You'll need to swap all the expensive parts to make it work. The EP801 and EP6 needs the new gen2 BMS which means you need a new battery, and you need a new power button. Probably better off selling the bike and buying a new one.
@@EMTBVideos no way I got lifetime warranty, no way the system can be that overpriced
@@EMTBVideos I'm not sure you can buy the components as things stand. I tried to buy an EP800 when my E8000 was failing and really struggled.
No you can't.
What a mess with product names
Yeah, seems to be how many Japanese companies name their products...
subtitle please. thank you
I'll look into it, for some reason. The automatically generated English subs haven't been added to 2 of my 5 latest videos.
Articulate and exiting video.