Mine is chambered in 44-40. The larger case rim aids greatly in extraction. You have to work the lever rapidly during the cycling process. The more rounds fired the smoother the action will become.
I really need to start reloading 44-40. Being meant to use in rifles, I imagine a ton of feeding issues would almost disappear. I will say I can think of any issues when shooting 45 colt in my henry replica, but it's a different setup.
@@triplefshooting 44-40 is easy to load if you do not use the same tool to insert the ball and crimp the ball, you need to use two different tools for this process,In doing so you eliminate the common risk of 44WCF that is to bend the case. But you probably already know that. In any case, nice video on a very pretty little rifle, which I also own, with its feeding problems, but when we like...
Mmmmm very good created. Very good idea with this luggage. How can not I remember before. It's very good rifle. One of my favorite rifle. Spencer he was great man. They should make him a Christopher Spencer monument in the USA.
I am a Civil War reenactor and I own a Armi Sport 56-56 Spencer Rifle. I have only fired blanks out of it. I would some like to purchase like rounds to shoot out of it. I found that you have to crank it hard to eject a spent case and tilt it down when loading it. Let in gravity help. 😊
If you plan on using the saddle ring with a sling, pull the saddle ring bar baseplate and check the weld job. My saddle ring bar was just tack welded onto the base plate and the tack welds failed. I find that gravity can be your best friend when chambering a cartridge. When chambering a cartridge, try pointing the barrel down. When ejecting a spent cartridge, try pointing the barrel up. P.S. nice video.
Also, have you ever had an issue with your action rotating beyond the stop? The entire guts of the gun end up exposed and can't be rotated into place without taking it apart.
@Triple F Shooting my 1860 carbine did that, I had to modify the breach block with a brass washer to prevent over-travel. Mine is an older repro, and the problem materialized from cheap ammo and plastic blanks.
You mention the single sling swivel on the buttstock at about 5.23 minutes. There were several carbines that were issued with only the one swivel on the buttstock. The sling used had a loop on one end that was slipped over the barrel and then attached to the sling swivel on the buttstock in the normal way. An example of an original sling is illustrated in "Burnside Breechloading Carbines and rifles", by Edward Hull on page 92. This is another interesting item that needs to be reproduced! If anyone has more information on the issue of this sling or a photo showing actual use, please post.
Thanks very much for the info. I fully assumed it was just a simpler method of production since they make both the rifle and carbine. Cool to know they used it back then!
A buddy of mine showed me an old trick for mechanisms.....grease. Yep, grease. His firearms are silky smooth using dabs of axle grease. Seriously, try it in that lever mechanism.❤
Thank you for a well-done presentation. If I may make a suggestion, the instructions that were originally issued with the rifle said that in order to aid with feeding and extraction you should aim the barrel down when chambering and aim the barrel up when extracting; .45 is problematic in a Spencer, as I'm sure you know, but this may help regardless. I would take two small exceptions with your presentation, although it was mostly very well done. First, the sling was not equivalent to our modern single-point slings; this is a myth that people keep spreading because it does hang from a single point, but remember that in the manuals of the time (e.g., Pointsett) troopers were directed to unhook their slings when they dismounted (which is how the carbines were normally used) from their carbines, so they weren't used like a single-point sling. Second, cartridges are not bullets. As to the Burton-ball cartridges, there were two primary types of cartridges for muzzle-loading rifles. The Burton style balls (often mistakenly called "Minie") is the type you were using, and they were loaded "bare" (no paper). This was the primary cartridge for the Springfield 1861 rifles. The other style was designed for the Enfield P-53 rifles, and they had undersized balls that were paper patched. Basically you wrap the ball in a thin paper shell, then wrap that is another shell which also held the powder. You would pour the powder then insert the paper-patched bullet and break off the excess paper. Jefferson Arsenal carries this style, too.
Thanks for the info! I'll have to check out the other type of ammo. I think part of my issue with the spencer is I'm pushing it a little harder than maybe was intended.
As far as rhe musket they would also become fouled if used for a while. First hand accounts from gettysburg on the right flank, 137th NYVI they had to pull men off the line at times to clean the muskets. When a rifle would malfunction it was typically dropped, and another grabbed. Some muskets had like 7 rounds loaded in them. Another thing is that one of the few requirements to be a soldier was to have two front teeth to bite off the cartridge.
For whatever reason, the cartridges I used in the video were pretty explicit in the fact that the paper wasn't to go down the bore. Everything I had ever seen or read had the paper going down. I bought the cartridges from Jefferson arsenal. Maybe I bought something different.
is part of the problem due to fact that the early guns were rim fire, I am assuming that the original rounds had a larger rim than today's center fire rounds. good vid, enjoy your style and content.keep it up. Oh Happy New Year.
I'm guessing that has a lot to do with it. Much like the top break revolvers in 45 colt. I may do a quick video on a couple of the issues I had with the rifle, but only once I have a better understanding of it. Thanks for watching! Appreciate the comment
How much did it run ya? I'm trying to find a used example so I can refinish the polyurethane finish to a more accurate oil finish but I can't for the life of me find one sub 1600. I don't feel like paying a NIB price for something I'm going to void the warranty for by firing reloads and stripping the wood.
Unfortunately, I think you'll be hard pressed to find one new for less than 1900. Used can be really hard to find since not many of these seem to be floating around. Hope the best for you. Sounds like it's going to be a good looking gun when you refinish it!
Everything that I’ve seen was a little bit different. You had to rip open the cartridge and pour down the powder, but you could load the paper as wad for your shot so it was kind of inbetween what you’re saying everything I’ve seen anyway.
I dont doubt it. I am by no means an expert. I'm just going off of what the prewrapped cartridges from Jefferson Arsenal prescribed. Were I able to load the paper too, those reloads would have been quite a bit faster
I still find it so funny that the CSA didn’t want to give their soldiers repeaters like this cause they thought it’d make them waste rounds and fire too quickly and less accurately but in the end the CSA troops would fire faster and less accurately as they knew they had to long reload so they wanted to be as quick with firing as possible whereas the union troops who had repeaters they knew they had time to aim and shit cause they had a much faster reload
That sentiment passed through the procurement board seemingly for a very long time past that. The people who don't fight always seem to know what's best for those in the thick of it
M what I've read the CSA didn't have any repeating Carbines or Rifles to issue their Troops, as for a few Battlefield pickups late in the War, Ammo resupply for a repeater was impossible.
Would the starline .45Schofield cartridge feed/eject any better. This was a bit of deja vu for me as My Dad had both these originals back in the late 1950's. I believe the drill was to bite off the bullet, pour powder and spit cartridge, then ram, and cap.
That would most likely speed things up. I don't know that I'm in a big enough hurry for black powder in my mouth though! That can't taste good. Awesome that you had such historical guns in the family, hopefully my son will have some of the same memories with me
American gunsmiths be like : "Nooo! I must learn how to 3D print and make a reliable gun parts and accessories because everything is being banned!!! We need 5.56 AK!!!" Italian gunsmiths be like : "Hehehe.... Yee Haw! Black powder revolver go pew, muskets go boom!!"
Sagebrush longshots has a video titled 45 colt Winchester 1873 at 400+ yardswhere a guy hits at 650 and they claim he hit one at over 900 but that wasn’t on the video
Your bag ist hanging on the wrong side. Your must handle over the rifle. Your right Hand ist the working Hand, so you carry your bag on the right Hand side
I'm not sure I agree on that. If I had the cavalry sling on, my rifle would hang on my right side. If I were to run the Blakeslee box on the right as well, things would become really cumbersome on my shooting side. On the other hand I have no idea if that's historically correct, so I could be dead wrong
Where is the Hicko. Where is the Hicko45 the best shot gunner. He is a very accurate shooter. One of the most accurate in the world. Nothing that he is already old and can't see very well. He knows in advance how the bullets fly and therefore aims very precisely without optics or any special aiming devices. With just a scope and a man, it achieves ultra-accuracy at very long distances.
While i hates the yankee nation and everything they do, i do love all these reproductions. There is just something to be said about tje lines on all those rifles and pistols of the 1800's
This guy has no idea how to eject and chamber round in the Spencer, you need to do your research, I can not explain it to you here. but think gravity, gravity for ejection, and gravity for chambering, It is my experience that replicas suck for accuracy.
Mine is chambered in 44-40. The larger case rim aids greatly in extraction. You have to work the lever rapidly during the cycling process. The more rounds fired the smoother the action will become.
I really need to start reloading 44-40. Being meant to use in rifles, I imagine a ton of feeding issues would almost disappear. I will say I can think of any issues when shooting 45 colt in my henry replica, but it's a different setup.
@@triplefshooting 44-40 is easy to load if you do not use the same tool to insert the ball and crimp the ball, you need to use two different tools for this process,In doing so you eliminate the common risk of 44WCF that is to bend the case. But you probably already know that. In any case, nice video on a very pretty little rifle, which I also own, with its feeding problems, but when we like...
Mmmmm very good created. Very good idea with this luggage. How can not I remember before. It's very good rifle. One of my favorite rifle. Spencer he was great man. They should make him a Christopher Spencer monument in the USA.
I am a Civil War reenactor and I own a Armi Sport 56-56 Spencer Rifle. I have only fired blanks out of it. I would some like to purchase like rounds to shoot out of it. I found that you have to crank it hard to eject a spent case and tilt it down when loading it. Let in gravity help. 😊
If you plan on using the saddle ring with a sling, pull the saddle ring bar baseplate and check the weld job. My saddle ring bar was just tack welded onto the base plate and the tack welds failed. I find that gravity can be your best friend when chambering a cartridge. When chambering a cartridge, try pointing the barrel down. When ejecting a spent cartridge, try pointing the barrel up. P.S. nice video.
Thanks for the info! Appreciated
Also, have you ever had an issue with your action rotating beyond the stop? The entire guts of the gun end up exposed and can't be rotated into place without taking it apart.
@Triple F Shooting my 1860 carbine did that, I had to modify the breach block with a brass washer to prevent over-travel. Mine is an older repro, and the problem materialized from cheap ammo and plastic blanks.
Just bought a 45 Colt. Can't wait to shoot it. Great job on the video, thanks for the info.
Thanks! I'm sure you'll love it. I don't think there's much else out there that can give you such a shooting experience.
You mention the single sling swivel on the buttstock at about 5.23 minutes. There were several carbines that were issued with only the one swivel on the buttstock. The sling used had a loop on one end that was slipped over the barrel and then attached to the sling swivel on the buttstock in the normal way. An example of an original sling is illustrated in "Burnside Breechloading Carbines and rifles", by Edward Hull on page 92. This is another interesting item that needs to be reproduced! If anyone has more information on the issue of this sling or a photo showing actual use, please post.
Thanks very much for the info. I fully assumed it was just a simpler method of production since they make both the rifle and carbine. Cool to know they used it back then!
Cool Rifle, Great Video!
A buddy of mine showed me an old trick for mechanisms.....grease. Yep, grease. His firearms are silky smooth using dabs of axle grease. Seriously, try it in that lever mechanism.❤
I'll give it a shot!
Thank you for a well-done presentation. If I may make a suggestion, the instructions that were originally issued with the rifle said that in order to aid with feeding and extraction you should aim the barrel down when chambering and aim the barrel up when extracting; .45 is problematic in a Spencer, as I'm sure you know, but this may help regardless. I would take two small exceptions with your presentation, although it was mostly very well done. First, the sling was not equivalent to our modern single-point slings; this is a myth that people keep spreading because it does hang from a single point, but remember that in the manuals of the time (e.g., Pointsett) troopers were directed to unhook their slings when they dismounted (which is how the carbines were normally used) from their carbines, so they weren't used like a single-point sling. Second, cartridges are not bullets. As to the Burton-ball cartridges, there were two primary types of cartridges for muzzle-loading rifles. The Burton style balls (often mistakenly called "Minie") is the type you were using, and they were loaded "bare" (no paper). This was the primary cartridge for the Springfield 1861 rifles. The other style was designed for the Enfield P-53 rifles, and they had undersized balls that were paper patched. Basically you wrap the ball in a thin paper shell, then wrap that is another shell which also held the powder. You would pour the powder then insert the paper-patched bullet and break off the excess paper. Jefferson Arsenal carries this style, too.
Thanks for the info! I'll have to check out the other type of ammo. I think part of my issue with the spencer is I'm pushing it a little harder than maybe was intended.
Doing that in CAS Competition is very challenging but still fun. I lose count all the time
I'd imagine it's tough to be competitive with a spencer. But it would be an eye opening experience to how fighting was done back then.
As far as rhe musket they would also become fouled if used for a while. First hand accounts from gettysburg on the right flank, 137th NYVI they had to pull men off the line at times to clean the muskets. When a rifle would malfunction it was typically dropped, and another grabbed. Some muskets had like 7 rounds loaded in them. Another thing is that one of the few requirements to be a soldier was to have two front teeth to bite off the cartridge.
The paper was also used as wadding between the powder and the bullet. So you pour the powder, put the paper, than the bullet ramming home.
Like the Springfield trapdoor would cut rhe back of the cartridge when they used paper cartridges.
For whatever reason, the cartridges I used in the video were pretty explicit in the fact that the paper wasn't to go down the bore. Everything I had ever seen or read had the paper going down. I bought the cartridges from Jefferson arsenal. Maybe I bought something different.
I didn't know about the teeth, that's interesting. I guess it would be hard to gum a cartridge to death before shooting
Where did you get the Blakeslee Box? Are the tubes for 45 LC or the 56-50?
www.ssfirearms.com/proddetail.asp?prod=L46
There's the link. I believe the tubes are actually a little big for 45 colt, but work well all the same
is part of the problem due to fact that the early guns were rim fire, I am assuming that the original rounds had a larger rim than today's center fire rounds. good vid, enjoy your style and content.keep it up. Oh Happy New Year.
I'm guessing that has a lot to do with it. Much like the top break revolvers in 45 colt. I may do a quick video on a couple of the issues I had with the rifle, but only once I have a better understanding of it. Thanks for watching! Appreciate the comment
The 1860 Henry was 44-40 rimfire and reproduction is center fire.
Great video thank you.
How much did it run ya? I'm trying to find a used example so I can refinish the polyurethane finish to a more accurate oil finish but I can't for the life of me find one sub 1600. I don't feel like paying a NIB price for something I'm going to void the warranty for by firing reloads and stripping the wood.
Unfortunately, I think you'll be hard pressed to find one new for less than 1900. Used can be really hard to find since not many of these seem to be floating around. Hope the best for you. Sounds like it's going to be a good looking gun when you refinish it!
This earned you a new sub.
Thanks! Much appreciated
Everything that I’ve seen was a little bit different. You had to rip open the cartridge and pour down the powder, but you could load the paper as wad for your shot so it was kind of inbetween what you’re saying everything I’ve seen anyway.
I dont doubt it. I am by no means an expert. I'm just going off of what the prewrapped cartridges from Jefferson Arsenal prescribed. Were I able to load the paper too, those reloads would have been quite a bit faster
I still find it so funny that the CSA didn’t want to give their soldiers repeaters like this cause they thought it’d make them waste rounds and fire too quickly and less accurately but in the end the CSA troops would fire faster and less accurately as they knew they had to long reload so they wanted to be as quick with firing as possible whereas the union troops who had repeaters they knew they had time to aim and shit cause they had a much faster reload
That sentiment passed through the procurement board seemingly for a very long time past that. The people who don't fight always seem to know what's best for those in the thick of it
M what I've read the CSA didn't have any repeating Carbines or Rifles to issue their Troops, as for a few Battlefield pickups late in the War, Ammo resupply for a repeater was impossible.
Did yours have an excessively heavy trigger pull and did the hammer peen the receiver when it struck the firing pin?
It's heavy, but I don't have a gauge to check it with. I'd guess it around 6 or 7 pounds. I haven't had any peening though.
Would the starline .45Schofield cartridge feed/eject any better.
This was a bit of deja vu for me as My Dad had both these originals back in the late 1950's. I believe the drill was to bite off the bullet, pour powder and spit cartridge, then ram, and cap.
That would most likely speed things up. I don't know that I'm in a big enough hurry for black powder in my mouth though! That can't taste good. Awesome that you had such historical guns in the family, hopefully my son will have some of the same memories with me
NJ now requires a fixed follower tube restricting the stock magazine to 3 rounds. Lol
I suppose they are using the 1860s version of assault weapon definition...that's awful...
Just kidding@@triplefshooting
man im gonna visit you one day from germany and shoot this thing haha :D
beautiful!
If you're in the states I'm always glad to have a guest!
American gunsmiths be like : "Nooo! I must learn how to 3D print and make a reliable gun parts and accessories because everything is being banned!!! We need 5.56 AK!!!"
Italian gunsmiths be like : "Hehehe.... Yee Haw! Black powder revolver go pew, muskets go boom!!"
Crytek better add this to Hunt Showdown
I can believe it isnt on there already
@@triplefshootingI was thinking the same thing
Where did you get the tube ammo holder?
www.ssfirearms.com/proddetail.asp?prod=L46
Sagebrush longshots has a video titled 45 colt Winchester 1873 at 400+ yardswhere a guy hits at 650 and they claim he hit one at over 900 but that wasn’t on the video
Thanks! I'll check that out
Your bag ist hanging on the wrong side. Your must handle over the rifle. Your right Hand ist the working Hand, so you carry your bag on the right Hand side
I'm not sure I agree on that. If I had the cavalry sling on, my rifle would hang on my right side. If I were to run the Blakeslee box on the right as well, things would become really cumbersome on my shooting side. On the other hand I have no idea if that's historically correct, so I could be dead wrong
Where is the Hicko. Where is the Hicko45 the best shot gunner. He is a very accurate shooter. One of the most accurate in the world. Nothing that he is already old and can't see very well. He knows in advance how the bullets fly and therefore aims very precisely without optics or any special aiming devices. With just a scope and a man, it achieves ultra-accuracy at very long distances.
While i hates the yankee nation and everything they do, i do love all these reproductions. There is just something to be said about tje lines on all those rifles and pistols of the 1800's
Should have a video on the 1860 henry coming soon as well. I love these old reproductions more than most guns I own.
spaghetti carbine.
It really hurts me to see how you Loading the musket.
It's kind of a "this is gonna hurt you more than me" situation lol. I claim zero expertise
This guy has no idea how to eject and chamber round in the Spencer, you need to do your research, I can not explain it to you here. but think gravity, gravity for ejection, and gravity for chambering, It is my experience that replicas suck for accuracy.