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  • Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024
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  • @brokitov_enya2259
    @brokitov_enya2259 2 года назад +472

    @5:40 black santa

    • @nunyabiz2055
      @nunyabiz2055 2 года назад +33

      🎅🏿

    • @detts5082
      @detts5082 2 года назад +60

      He doesn't give to yours, he pick from yours

    • @thc_freebaser
      @thc_freebaser 2 года назад

      @@nunyabiz2055 REAL

    • @thc_freebaser
      @thc_freebaser 2 года назад +54

      @@detts5082 unfunny + ratio

    • @detts5082
      @detts5082 2 года назад +3

      @@thc_freebaser k

  • @Czxvkq
    @Czxvkq 2 года назад +497

    screaming "I don't care, this world means nothing, life has no meaning, my feelings are numb" into a school cafeteria in 2021 fits pretty well tbh

  • @Aqua.man045
    @Aqua.man045 2 года назад +221

    Smells like Wizard Spirit.

    • @LuGu1
      @LuGu1 4 месяца назад +4

      You’re an Electric Wizard Harry

  • @hugoportes734
    @hugoportes734 2 года назад +347

    Jamming with Electric Wizard songs at your school is a huge middle finger sticking to everyone's else opinion. It must have been a great feeling of freedom and joy. Keep rocking... Keep Dooming! Cheers from Brazil!

  • @chrisharding2642
    @chrisharding2642 2 года назад +417

    IT'S ABOUT TO GET SPOOKY
    Well done lads

  • @DoomMetalSludge
    @DoomMetalSludge 2 года назад +368

    I was around your ages playing Saint Vitus, Witchfinder General, Pentagram, Electric Wizard, etc... I'm 27 now. This fucking rules. The future of rock and roll is safe. Dudes, get yourself some full stacks and take it to the next level! Love this.
    - Nate Towle (Satan's Satyrs)

    •  2 года назад +10

      I second this! Effing epic to see such young folks rock out to quality stuff like E.W.! Some Full Stacks and some Boss FZ-2's for those boys and they will blow the sh*t outta the audience! :D
      P.S.: I love your Band's stuff, Nate! Keep up the awesome work!

    • @DoomMetalSludge
      @DoomMetalSludge 2 года назад +1

      @Zerozerozero irrelevant

    • @nulltheory2560
      @nulltheory2560 2 года назад +3

      Bring back Satan's Satyrs!!

    • @DoomMetalSludge
      @DoomMetalSludge 2 года назад +1

      @ thank you! I've got a new project called Extermination Day and we have an album coming out soon.

    • @Cheeseburger.Launch.Sequence
      @Cheeseburger.Launch.Sequence 2 года назад

      Why stop at full stacks bro? Shoulda just told em to go straight for the private jet.

  • @DeadWhiteButterflies
    @DeadWhiteButterflies 2 года назад +467

    There is a temptation to make fun, but I guarantee these 3 are happier than most of us watching. These kinds of environments are tough to play, because it's literally just a school canteen. No one's even come to see any music, people are milling around, but the band are surging on anyway and having the best time. You gotta give some encouragement. They just need some experience under their belt, so more practice (unlike people I've played with, these lot actually sound rehearsed), and they're already showing the determination to do that. We all started out like this.

    • @wienersmcbutts
      @wienersmcbutts 2 года назад +166

      Any band playing doom metal doesn't give two shits what their school mates think

    • @jacobsennese6657
      @jacobsennese6657  2 года назад +78

      @@wienersmcbutts damn right

    • @litchqueenasenath5995
      @litchqueenasenath5995 2 года назад +26

      Anyone playing halfway decent Doom metal is getting at least a 20 from me in some way if I can.

    • @cloudmachine420
      @cloudmachine420 2 года назад +6

      Dude do you even doom ?

    • @GVoodoo
      @GVoodoo 2 года назад +4

      @@litchqueenasenath5995 atleast a nod lol.

  • @deadbeatuniversity
    @deadbeatuniversity 2 года назад +494

    the vocals even sound like ew this is fucking sick glad to see some more people my age into doom

    • @jacobsennese6657
      @jacobsennese6657  2 года назад +77

      Fuck yea doom is the most raw form of heavy metal 🤘

    • @kozagong
      @kozagong 2 года назад +11

      @@jacobsennese6657 It's not like I don't like doom but calling it the rawest form of heavy metal is just wrong

    • @shilohsmetalcrypt4144
      @shilohsmetalcrypt4144 2 года назад +6

      Im glad to see other people my age into doom as well! The metal scene in the small town I live in is pretty much just me haha

    • @jacobsennese6657
      @jacobsennese6657  2 года назад +31

      @@kozagong it kinda is, it's the first form of heavy metal and it's all about slow sludgy riffs rather than fast technical bullshit

    • @shminikosa
      @shminikosa 2 года назад +2

      @@jacobsennese6657 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @escherpainting8622
    @escherpainting8622 2 года назад +23

    drummer of Electric Wizard, Simon Poole, was my tutor during my dissertation at uni. He'd love this i'm sure. Or he'd completely avoid watching it in the first place, either way, this is cool.

  • @hennydarmse
    @hennydarmse 2 года назад +137

    Some people think they are sooooo cool walking by while completely ignoring these guys. If someone would be playing Electric Wizard at my school I'd lose my fucking shit.

    • @Voyager-sama
      @Voyager-sama 2 года назад +26

      you see, not everyone enjoys this type of music. imagine they were playing pop, i would not care, would you?

    • @bartsimpsonnft4387
      @bartsimpsonnft4387 2 года назад +6

      Its called narcissism. They're not involved with it so they dont care

    • @fairy_god_prince1701
      @fairy_god_prince1701 2 года назад +1

      Same

    • @toastyidk.1176
      @toastyidk.1176 2 года назад +11

      @@bartsimpsonnft4387 Not liking a genre of music is narcissist?

    • @bartsimpsonnft4387
      @bartsimpsonnft4387 2 года назад

      @@toastyidk.1176 no. I was talking about people in general

  • @Nebulung
    @Nebulung 2 года назад +109

    Stay with doom, stay dedicated. The world needs more badass doom power trios.

  • @kfdyy
    @kfdyy 2 года назад +388

    wtf this is actually pretty good, not cringe at all

    • @buttholesurfer420
      @buttholesurfer420 2 года назад +1

      Nah it’s pretty cringe

    • @nigelnitwittits9645
      @nigelnitwittits9645 2 года назад +44

      @@buttholesurfer420 why is it cringe

    • @literalwho9017
      @literalwho9017 2 года назад +25

      hey this is actually pretty good, not cringe at all

    • @jsheissekopf4407
      @jsheissekopf4407 2 года назад +31

      The cringing are pretty cringe if you ask me. Not perfect sure but then nothing decent ever is, even when at it's best. In any event they're covering stuff from my favorite album by them 💁. The vocals could likewise use some reverb however.. Meanwhile, check out all the clueless "students of conformity" droning on to their next class haha.

    • @NuclearSad
      @NuclearSad 2 года назад +16

      @@buttholesurfer420 You only get to hate on what these kids are doing if your band is less "cringe".

  • @haxanlord
    @haxanlord 2 года назад +89

    Please stay like this and never become a normie! Don’t let anybody ever tell you that you have to adjust yourself to society’s standards!

  • @OldWizard.
    @OldWizard. 2 года назад +34

    SO WILD YOU BROUGHT THE DOOM TO SCHOOL

  • @junksmith_wizard
    @junksmith_wizard 2 года назад +35

    I cant imagine the joy of finding like-minded people's to play wizard with 😹 this is great!!!!!!

  • @garbagesoupcan
    @garbagesoupcan 2 года назад +102

    This dooms hard, good job dudes

  • @scottwolf3973
    @scottwolf3973 9 месяцев назад +15

    Man, I’m 50, sitting on my couch and this has me banging my head and I stayed for the whole set. Damn, I’ve seen EW live a few times and you guys killed it. Keep it up and don’t ever quit. Good to see such potential in the youth out there.

  • @iamdonsharp
    @iamdonsharp 2 года назад +10

    they got searched and suspended immediately after this

  • @JesseNeckred
    @JesseNeckred 2 года назад +35

    Apparently Saint Vitus were right, the Children of Doom are among us. Hey you guys did a great job. Hope yall do some of your own material after you get more experience under your belt.

  • @a1d0t6
    @a1d0t6 11 месяцев назад +7

    You three are absolute legends. It’s amazing to see people my age not only enjoying the same music but preforming it so well

  • @tytantyphlosion2910
    @tytantyphlosion2910 Год назад +3

    Im stupid proud to see a video like this.
    D. O. O. M.

  • @werm69
    @werm69 2 года назад +13

    Kids keeping the heavy grooves alive is a nice sight to see. Stay tuned down, boys!

  • @Noise_Meister_Records
    @Noise_Meister_Records 2 года назад +16

    I used to blast EW and bongzilla at school some kids loved it most of them hated it. I just jammed out stoned at school. Glad to see the youth enjoying the wizard 🤘🏻

  • @Defekcija
    @Defekcija 2 года назад +8

    rare specimens of a dying breed. huge respect and love! cheers!

  • @deaner33
    @deaner33 2 года назад +37

    So much awesome here. Love the lazy drum fills.

  • @The-Metal-Cooler
    @The-Metal-Cooler Год назад +10

    This just makes me smile, glad there exist a bit of class in the next generation. Soon we'll be seeing kids play Steely Dan!! Who knows!!

  • @WakizashiSabre
    @WakizashiSabre Год назад +5

    Black metal guy here, but nothing beats the feal of heavy breathing bass or guitar notes in the air. Nicely done.

  • @djefferson5669
    @djefferson5669 2 года назад +4

    Don’t be afraid to tell your drummer he can’t keep time.

  • @BSIII
    @BSIII 6 месяцев назад +2

    Best Funeralopolis cover I've heard so far.

  • @menschmeier13
    @menschmeier13 2 года назад +28

    I thought it would be bad, but oh boy it’s really good. Keep it up!

  • @aniquinstark4347
    @aniquinstark4347 2 года назад +10

    I have the same little Orange combo amp. Insane tone quality for the money.

  • @denden184
    @denden184 2 года назад +51

    hey respect to you for showing good music to them kids, good job

    • @jacobsennese6657
      @jacobsennese6657  2 года назад +20

      Showing these kids what music with real instruments is made of 🤘

    • @tommymaier3017
      @tommymaier3017 2 года назад

      @@jacobsennese6657 totally agree 100%

  • @MarkWagner33
    @MarkWagner33 2 года назад +13

    Haha this is great. Funnily enough sometimes when i'm bored (in a waiting room, in a hospital, at a conference etc.) I might fantasize about Electric Wizard playing a gig in the place I'm in.... This reminds me of that.

  • @brownie4032
    @brownie4032 Год назад +2

    Damn I never met anyone who liked Electric Wizard in high school

  • @M43STR0_dnb
    @M43STR0_dnb 7 месяцев назад +4

    Doom power trios are what keep the world going round

  • @zireael666
    @zireael666 2 года назад +18

    Holy shit, this was cool as hell! Especially Funeralopolis!

  • @fatmanpez
    @fatmanpez 2 года назад +17

    This is awesome, when I was in highschool I was playing doom/ sludge/ drone more along the lines of boris and Kylesa and then went the route of black metal but I loved jamming out to this kind of stuff. It's fucking awesome that you guys hit it this hard at your school! Keep that OD plugged in after highschool to and keep going, at 26 I can guarantee you you'll have a sick time in your 20s and onwards in the music scene and don't be afraid to sing Vinum Sabbathi at Karaoke night in college

  • @satanicaleve
    @satanicaleve 2 года назад +34

    I knew you would play Funeralopolis right after Vinum Sabbathi. You did damn good job with the covers!

  • @nachtstrom
    @nachtstrom 2 года назад +32

    Man this absolutely made my day 💓🖤✊ 54 years of age, i still gewt GOOSEBUMPS when i see how strong the spirit is! i wish you the best for the future, i will buy every release that comes out

  • @careful__Icarus
    @careful__Icarus 2 года назад +3

    No photos from the pit! You dudes need security lol. Most excellent vibes young padawans. Stay heavy!

  • @timarcella
    @timarcella Год назад +6

    This is badass. I first heard Dopethrone in 2010 and Wizard has been my favorite doom band since. You guys killed it.

  • @Maharani1991
    @Maharani1991 Год назад +3

    That drum roll at 1:17 HOLY FUCKING SHIT! Had to keep repeating that part before I could go on

    • @DogOpoly
      @DogOpoly 3 месяца назад

      🤯🤯🤯🤯

  • @RAT_WZRD
    @RAT_WZRD 2 года назад +35

    This shit was so fkn bad a$$ dudes. For real. I am so impressed by you doing this at school lol and just how well you have these songs locked down. Good sh*t for real. Keep it up. hope you win battle of the bands.
    Keep following the smoke to the riff filled land friends!

    • @jacobsennese6657
      @jacobsennese6657  2 года назад +7

      Thanks so much man that means a lot fr

    • @RAT_WZRD
      @RAT_WZRD 2 года назад

      @@jacobsennese6657 POST MORE !

    • @jacobsennese6657
      @jacobsennese6657  2 года назад +4

      @@RAT_WZRDI talked with my band and we're gonna post a demo of part of our album next time we jam

  •  2 года назад +27

    You guys ROCK! Keep up the hard work and keep on DOOMIN'! Pretty cool of your school to let you play, back in my days the teachers would have directly killed the electricity if we moved too much on stage or played to "hard" or "loud"... So we had to seal the fuse box with tons of Gaffa and nasty stuff and block the stage door, so that the teachers couldn't come on stage so easily and drop the courtain on us, and we turned shit up to 11 and rocked the school anyways! The other kids rocked out, moshed and banged, and we nearly could play all our songs before the Janitor and the headmaster finally managed to kill the power, turn the whole school into a darkroom and yell at us like a effing drill seargeant! We all got expelled for a week and were forbidden to ever play in school again, but that gig was still talked about over 10 years after we all finished high school! Wish I had known Electric Wizard back then, had LOVED to play a Song like Funeralopolis there! :D

  • @GreenWaterCartel
    @GreenWaterCartel 2 года назад +9

    There is hope for the next generation! Well done gents! Leading off with my fav track from dopethrone.

  • @Brosephus
    @Brosephus Год назад +3

    Lol im probably old enough to be one of your teachers, I would be tripping out and jamming hard in that cafeteria if I was on "lunch watch" duty. hahah

  • @nb6874
    @nb6874 2 года назад +5

    3:26 "I do Wonderwall by Oasis"

    • @jacobsennese6657
      @jacobsennese6657  2 года назад +3

      Lmaoooo thanks for pointing that out I never heard that in the video when I uploaded it

    • @kneD-e
      @kneD-e Месяц назад

      lmfaooo

  • @michaelorourke7032
    @michaelorourke7032 2 года назад +10

    Excellent musicianship. Sounds awesome. When I went to high school in the early 80's music like this was banned. Glad to see you express yourselves without interference..

  • @janosmarothy5409
    @janosmarothy5409 2 года назад +23

    Wow great job! Nice touch with the distortion on the vocals, love that attention to detail. Solid performances overall. My main nitpick is to make sure the volume on your wet tones is dialed in to complement your main dirty rhythm tone so you don't get that incongruously loud intro to Funeralopolis lol

    • @jetaimemina
      @jetaimemina 2 года назад +1

      If anything, the fuzz is too silent.The cymbals just overpowered it. And since you can't really turn down the volume on drums on the fly ...

  • @thebandsoul7836
    @thebandsoul7836 Год назад +3

    Absolutely love this. Fuck yes. All Hail The Electric Wizard.

  • @TheGorillafoot
    @TheGorillafoot 2 года назад +6

    Good to see the younger generation picking up real instruments. This is sick guys!

  • @franciscojaviersangerman698
    @franciscojaviersangerman698 2 года назад +5

    Cheers from México brothers! , you sound pretty fucking badass! Long live electric wizard !

  • @sloppydawgsdcl4929
    @sloppydawgsdcl4929 2 года назад +4

    get that boy some cymbals!! keep cranking guys!

  • @kneD-e
    @kneD-e Месяц назад +1

    man I wish I had a band and could perform like this, this is a dreammm

  • @OldYoungEspinoza
    @OldYoungEspinoza 2 года назад +30

    Cool sound dudes, it's refreshing hearing a new voice in those songs, greetings from Chile 🇨🇱 and from Ecos Primitivos and Retro Mentes bands

  • @nicoguarini28
    @nicoguarini28 6 месяцев назад +2

    "3 Wizards crowned with weed"......

  • @Postaldude__
    @Postaldude__ 2 года назад +4

    drummer is super on point lmao tho the entire performance was awesome

  • @sircompliments5380
    @sircompliments5380 2 года назад +4

    That's pretty sweet dude. Sounds just right.

  • @TheHammerofDissidence
    @TheHammerofDissidence 2 года назад +3

    I wish I had friends like this in H.S.

  • @61subsandnovideos
    @61subsandnovideos 2 года назад +75

    spot on with the vocals. you guys got any original releases? or a bandcamp? maybe something similar? you guys have passion and potential, like most bands who are influenced by Electric Wizard

  • @tadsiskiyou4213
    @tadsiskiyou4213 Год назад +1

    This is great. Funeralopolis Probably freaked that lunch lady right out.

  • @sabertoothrobot
    @sabertoothrobot Год назад +1

    One of the deepest memories of my early childhood was sitting on the floor of the elementary school cafeteria while a band of long haired high school kids absolutely blasted us with thick and screaming early '80s metal riffs. I felt the music thundering through my 8 yr old body. Didn't feel that again until I started going to concerts many yeara later. Keep up the good work!

  • @galaxietab2carlos
    @galaxietab2carlos 2 года назад +10

    ahhhh finally something delicious. Vinum Sabbathi.

  • @danbrown4420
    @danbrown4420 2 года назад +33

    Proceed.
    This definitely dooms.
    So glad some young uns are appreciating good music still.

  • @MrStrawberryhurrican
    @MrStrawberryhurrican 2 года назад +21

    You guys are rad. Keep it up

  • @Magic.alonso
    @Magic.alonso 7 месяцев назад +1

    the weedian is strong on them chaps. terrific job lads

  • @sorr0we
    @sorr0we 2 года назад +2

    They‘re groovin

  • @timeisnotaline
    @timeisnotaline 2 года назад +2

    Fuckin shred the hallways to bits! Let's go!!!!

  • @timtaxevasion
    @timtaxevasion 3 месяца назад

    as someone who mainly listens to indie/alternative stuff like the smile and has only been introduced to electric wizard recently this is pretty fucking sick

  • @josephwinter9550
    @josephwinter9550 2 года назад +3

    amazing! wouldve loved to see some band play electric wizard in my school back in the day

  • @bockjs
    @bockjs 2 года назад +6

    So filthy, you guys rock. Please keep playing!

  • @jorgesaenz8986
    @jorgesaenz8986 2 года назад +3

    Fuck I wish I went to a metal high-school 😆 you guys are awesome and keep rocking!

  • @mac_n_cheeks_6966
    @mac_n_cheeks_6966 2 года назад +27

    Dude this shit is great im making a few songs with one of my buddies right now and hopefully we can have them done by the time the talent show swings by but hell yeah yall sound great keep it up

  • @solarian_13
    @solarian_13 Месяц назад

    This is bad fucking ass. I was into doom as a teenager, almost 14 years ago now. I can’t wait to see what kind of music you make as you age. Keep on keeping on dudes.

  • @thebailey67
    @thebailey67 2 года назад +2

    My favorite EW song... (Supercoven)I can’t even imagine the faculty even allow this the Electric Wizard is such a strange Doom band most people just don’t get it and I’m sure all those people were like oh I wanna hear Taylor Swift this is hurting my ears! Great cover guys. Doom forever!

  • @shannonmashburn1792
    @shannonmashburn1792 2 года назад +3

    I hope these guys grow up to be a killer doom band.

  • @christiantuttle544
    @christiantuttle544 2 года назад +4

    man the metalheads at school gotta stick together huh, i cant even find more than three dudes into heavier stuff like slayer or children of bodom or morbid angel

    • @ElectriconicJesus
      @ElectriconicJesus 2 года назад +2

      @Zerozerozero are you implying cob and slayer arent heavy? elitist twerp LOL

    • @ElectriconicJesus
      @ElectriconicJesus 2 года назад +2

      elitist metalheads really are the cringiest people on earth. "poser death metal". what kind of a human being are you LOL

    • @ElectriconicJesus
      @ElectriconicJesus 2 года назад +3

      @Zerozerozero continue to think your opinion has more value than others. i wonder what a trainwreck you look like irl hahahahahahahah

    • @Noothgrush420
      @Noothgrush420 2 года назад

      @Zerozerozero how itchy is that neckbeard my dude I bet that shits thicc

  • @andy100hp
    @andy100hp Год назад +7

    Sound is not bad at all, considering everything. (Setting, atmosphere, stress, video quality etc)
    You guys have great chemistry, sounds great to me and your attitude is everything. Playing EW in school?????? This is wild to me.
    Keep pushing, you got it!

  • @bryonbrown6579
    @bryonbrown6579 2 года назад +2

    ok that was really badass. thanks for playing my favorite songs

  • @jeepmanxj
    @jeepmanxj 2 года назад +3

    I remember to jamming this album 20 years ago. Probably about your guys ages.

  • @guitargod69420
    @guitargod69420 2 года назад +2

    the coolest thing I have seen today. Damn I need to see more videos
    \m/

  • @IgnisPerseverans
    @IgnisPerseverans 2 года назад +5

    Dude i wish their were dudes like yall when i was in highschool me and 2 other people in my band were the only metalheads in the whole school i live in georgia. I was super into stoner doom metal then aswell haha

  • @CarynDPrescott
    @CarynDPrescott Год назад +2

    I was looking for Supercoven, but I also found a video about EW memes, and your video was recommended. Glad to see that you younguns are into the classics. Your version of Barbarian is cooler. Closer to Sabbath 😸 Long live doom ✌🏿

  • @neiledwards9996
    @neiledwards9996 2 года назад +5

    I've got a lot of time for this- good stuff!

  • @doodbob2250
    @doodbob2250 Год назад +2

    love the costume contest announcement. the best

  • @Ezra.G
    @Ezra.G 2 года назад +3

    Awesome stuff man, I only graduated high school last year but my friends and I would do stuff like this all the time and now I play house shows where i get to play whatever I want I couple times a month. Keep up the great work!🤘🎸

  • @jraddd367
    @jraddd367 2 года назад +1

    These are the coolest kids in the whole school in my opinion! They definitely have great future! 🤩

  • @robertm6312
    @robertm6312 2 года назад +3

    absolute units.

  • @chayseblack4162
    @chayseblack4162 Год назад +1

    God this is dope as hell. If only I had cool dudes to jam stoner and doom stuff with. All my friends were into thrash and we only got stoned to Electric Wizard, this is dope as all could be.

  • @PsycosisIncarnated
    @PsycosisIncarnated 6 месяцев назад +1

    Coolest dudes in that school lmao.

  • @timothyconroy1175
    @timothyconroy1175 Год назад +1

    How cool for some so young, to have a grasp on great music?

  • @1Hominid
    @1Hominid 2 года назад +4

    Holy shit this is good. Nouveau stoner, doom metal. Keep it up.

  • @lukechavez8773
    @lukechavez8773 2 года назад +2

    This is awesome

  • @obioce
    @obioce Месяц назад

    top ten moments in history i would use a time travel machine to get to

  • @captaincamo7132
    @captaincamo7132 2 года назад +2

    Love the video, I'm wanting to start a doom solo project, and I want to learn to play and sing at the same time, do you have any tips to help me out?

  • @SuperDragone666
    @SuperDragone666 2 года назад +1

    Awesome to see some young ones coming to the dark side of the fuzz! Keep it up!

  • @thermalmedia6454
    @thermalmedia6454 2 года назад +2

    Rock on, young dudes! Keep on being you!

  • @BSIII
    @BSIII 6 месяцев назад +1

    Funeralopolis was my theme song for the 2020 CV19 bs. Amazing you guys played this when it was still in full force.

  • @bruceseibel7103
    @bruceseibel7103 9 месяцев назад

    I wish the drummer was playing the same song as u guys but I gotta love the wizard

  • @greenbeangreg2552
    @greenbeangreg2552 2 года назад +11

    Tried converting my school into metalheads by at first getting them started in the comfort zone with crazy town and moving to Rage against the machine and Deftones before going full Death and Slayer and finally Burzum and Mayhem.
    It didn't work out.

    • @k1dofficial
      @k1dofficial 2 года назад +1

      You're a goddamn hero

    • @SigHDucK5
      @SigHDucK5 2 года назад

      Was this attempt about 22 years ago? 🤔

    • @urmaw9009
      @urmaw9009 2 года назад

      I’ve managed to convert my cousin but all other attempts so far have failed