Hitting a headshot on a squishy and not getting a pick is not just unsatisfying, it's aggravating and somewhat tilting. Like I would honestly feel better if I missed completely than hearing a dink and not getting the elimination.
I really really hate how assassin Hanzo is gone, my fondest memories are all dumb flanks and hiding spots. Give him a oneshot on a cool down will probably be enough for assassin to be playable without being too oneshotty.
One shot on a cool down? Are you suggesting they give Hanzo a 3rd ability that takes up another key-binding that can one shot but has a 15 second cool down or something?
@@passerby4507 This is honestly a solid idea. Like bind right click for an empowered arrow on a cooldown but if you land a kill with headshot it resets like genji's dash. This way you get the sense of agency back with securing kills from one-shots but it has to be intentional rather than luck-based.
I stopped flanking because it wasn't worth the risk anymore. I have lost a lot of duels where I land the headshot, but don't have enough time to get the second shot in simply because they shoot faster than me (Sojourn, Venture, Genji, Cassidy). I can still play Hanzo, but I have to work much more harder for that kill and doesn't feel rewarding, especially up against flying characters or pocketed ones. I find myself playing Cassidy again due to the consistency or practicing with widow for that important pick to go in. Fighting Hanzos is also easier because I can simply run him down, especially since it's easy to dodge the arrows most of the time. I appreciate your guides though, they were helpful when I was learning Hanzo last year.
you can literally go up close and melee to finish them off if u did land the headshot or press e and obliterate anything that's not a transformed bastion or mei/reaper with their get out of jail free card. from anything thats not arrge elo, hanzo dominates just as easily if not more because landing shot is easier
@@aegislight5996 The headshot is what helped Hanzo in higher Elo's though? Without it he is forced to follow up, therefore losing a ton of value without a pocket.
most deadly combo is pharra, mercy, echo, or replace either of those dps with sombra. I'm still having fun this season but im having to switch off Hanzo more frequently or work harder as him for less results.
@@curie1420 seems like you misunderstood me there, or my way of writing. If so I'm sorry for that but I stand with parties that agrees with Hanzo one shot, being a sniper character hitting that juicy headshot and all you hear is that headshot dink and enemy doesn't die is frustrating. I'm a Hanzo main myself and hate the change.
As a silver player, it’s true. He is good in silver, but despite how well I can play him at my rank, I can’t rank up, I always go down. Honestly considering swapping to a more impactful character until Hanzo is more rewarding to play.
@@TayyabTVnot really, he’s had one shot since launch. If widow gets to have it he should too. They can make it so that his projectile size remains pre-season 9 so he’s high effort-high reward.
@@TayyabTV well, im sorta 50/50 on that, sure no more one shots means no more luck, but now hanzo is pretty much useless, unless you have like 1000 hours on him to hit consistent shots. And no one will be playing him in lower rank. Hanzo is now a terrible character, and it wont be changed.
I actually made a concept over on Twitter for what changes they could make to Hanzo to add one-shot back while also raising his skill ceiling. The changes also aimed to hopefully reduce the appeal of spam, and reward carefully aimed shots. I know the changes look a little scary at first, but don't worry. I'm no "Game Balance Expert", but I tried my best. I'm sure you can find the original post if you search with the BUFFHANZO hastag Storm Bow - Maximum Damage reduced to 110 (220 on headshot) - Maximum Projectile Speed reduced to 100 m/s (from 110 m/s) - After an arrow has been fully drawn for 0.2 seconds, the arrow will become ‘supercharged’, and will have its damage increased to 130 (260 on crit), and its projectile speed is increased to 125 m/s. - Charge Time decreased to 0.632 (from 0.732 seconds) - Recovery Time increased to 0.6 seconds (from 0.5 seconds) - Projectile Radius decreased to 0.125 meters (from 0.175) - (Potential addition) Now has up to 30% damage fall-off, starting at 40 meters, and reaching max fall-off at 50 meters. - Added a visual indicator around the reticle that gradually fills as the arrow becomes charged. The indicator turns orange when your arrow becomes supercharged - When Hanzo's arrows become supercharged, there is a subtle shimmer effect and sound (on top of the already existing subtle draw sound) See Hanzo’s Storm Bow ability in Heroes of the Storm for reference. - Note These are a huge array of changes to how Hanzo’s Bow works. There is now a sharp increase to how fast and powerful Hanzo’s arrows after the bow has been fully charged, encouraging players to take their time. Along with this, the projectile size has been changed to reward accurate and carefully aimed shots. Noticeably, 0.1 seconds of the charge time has been shaved off and added to the recovery time. This adjustment aims (no pun intended) to reduce the overall appeal of spamming, and make Hanzo more reactive with how he can use his weapon. Hanzo is a marksman-style hero with a single shot weapon, so landing your hits should be rewarded. Originally, these values were swapped (charge time being 0.1 sec longer, recovery time being 0.1 sec shorter), but I didn’t think it would work well to reduce spam. I kept bouncing back and forth between such ideas, but I’ll settle for this direction for now. To hopefully have the best of both worlds, I added the small 0.2 second delay before an arrow becomes supercharged. That way you can have more options on how to use the weapon depending on the threat and situation One excuse of why Widowmaker is sometimes exempt from one-shot gate is that she’s a hitscan, so shots either hit or miss (allegedly, there’s less of a luck factor and more skill involved). With this logic in mind, if Hanzo’s arrows were much faster, there would be “less time” for them to travel, and as such, less time for some poor sap to walk around a corner and be served a delicious arrow. Storm Arrows - Damage decreased to 65 (from 75) - Cooldown increased to 10 seconds (from 8) - For each arrow not fired, Storm Arrow's cooldown is decreased by 2 seconds. (Not firing any arrows will not incur it's cooldown) Note In Season 9, Hanzo’s Storm Arrow ability was buffed to compensate for his one-shot being dumpstered. However, now that his one-shot on 250 HP heroes (The new norm) has returned, he won’t really need these changes anymore, especially since spamming is something not even Hanzo players like doing. Wall Climb (Should really affect all Wall-Climbing Heroes) - Wall Climbing is now a fixed 8 meters per second, regardless of movement speed. (For Hanzo, this is an Increase of 0.85 m/s. For Genji, this is an Increase of 0.2 m/s) - Wall Climb can be used again if you get off the wall while you still have duration left. - Added a gauge to show how much of Wall Climb’s duration has been used, which will immediately refill upon touching the ground like normal. Lunge - Restores up to 0.5 seconds of Hanzo’s Wall Climb when used (can’t exceed the cap of 1 second). - Has a little more upward impulse. - During Lunge’s initial dash, Hanzo will now slide up incoming inclines instead of getting stuck. Now working similarly to how other similar abilities work. Note Lunge now has a new effect of restoring a small duration of Hanzo’s wall-climb. Lunge and Wall Climb are often used together, and this new mechanic will give Hanzo players more potential with their roll-outs and raise the skill expression of how both abilities can be used. Just imagine seeing Hanzo start doing wall jumps. Lunge will now work similarly to other lunge-type abilities to decrease the chance of getting stuck on small upward inclines, and give more freedom to how this ability works with the environment. Dragonstrike - Cast time reduced to 0.85 seconds (was 0.91) - Arrow travel distance before dragons appear reduced to 8 meters (was 10) - Dragonstrike length increased to 50 meters (from 40) - Dragon speed increased to 50 m/s (from 40) - Damage per dragon increased to 175 (from 150) - Dragonstrike’s damage ignores damage resistances. - Can now damage constructs (I.E. Turrets, Immortality Field) - Cost increased to 2000 (from 1850 (For reference, the same as Cassidy’s Deadeye)) Note Dragonstrike has always been a lackluster ultimate, ever since Overwatch 2 especially. It has always felt like more of a normal ability. The only real use it sees is as an area denial tool, but it’s not really good at that either. The cast time and distance before the dragons appear being reduced is a small but potentially big change to the pacing of the ultimate itself, as before, the effective cast time of Dragonstrike was about 1.41 seconds (0.91 sec cast time + 0.5 second delay before dragons appear). Now, it’s only 1.25 seconds. The length increase makes Dragonstrike a tad bit better as an area denial tool (which is what the ultimate is supposed to be good at). It’s worth mentioning that while the speed means it reaches areas quicker, it also means it passes faster as well. With the change to both the length and speed, the time it spends in one area is roughly the same with the bonus of reaching it's area faster. The flat damage was increased to bring it in line with Season 9’s health changes, and the introduction of ignoring damage resistances makes this ultimate better against tank-y compositions without having to scale the damage incredibly high.
@@thestranger1164 I actually had an idea that was kind of like that. Sonic Arrow had a shorter base duration, but if it directly hit an enemy, its duration was increased. I decided against it, because I think Sonic Arrow is fine the way it is.
The hanzo Nerf made it really unsatisfying to play. I don’t even wanna play comp anymore. I switched to playing support for the while being and hanzo in qp
Think my worst experience was hitting that perfect headshot on a Genji right as he bladed and dashed into my backline only for him to survive, smack my supports, and then deflect so all I can do is look at him and realize he should have been dead... just as when we were boys.
It sounds like what the devs actually want from Hanzo is a character who waits for targets who are less than full health. So either you take out enemies who push to far forward or when focusing on a target with your allies This doesn't sound like a bad idea, just a completely different playstyle than what a majority of Hanzo players are used to
This video is why I stopped playing overwatch as much they nerfed Honzo, Junkrat and Rien to near unplayble levels and they didn't decide to buff any of them this season
@@kingofgrim4761 the problem with removing the junkrat combo by making it no longer kill, is that the only playstyle left is being the spam junkrat I played mostly Hanzo, but when I didn't want to have to aim as much I'd always pick junkrat and play to pick the backline, now it's much more unreliable and it's better to just spam
I get the big damage numbers in stat every game but it still feels boring overall, cant get over the fact that a headshot never kills anyone. Makes me wonder why do I even try to go for them in the first place.
I’m curious if they could instead do a charge mechanic for him where after 1 second of max charge you get a power shot that you can fire that does about 30 more damage. That way you can still ohko every squishy besides bastion/armored 300 hp squishies, and you can’t just spam one arrow after another and have to take breaks in between shots to get a one shot. This also would have Hanzo play more of a playstyle where you’re looking to time that perfect arrow for a kill
hanzo is not a dps anymore his a support now.Hanzo just there to reveal enemy with sonic arrow and tickle enemy with so many shots for team to get the kill.
it blows that hanzo went from making picks to taking picks. its starting to feel like i have to follow up on everyone elses kills instead of getting my own off of headshots.
they should give hanzo a sweet spot like battlefield 1. where for example between 30 to 40 meters his arrows one shot to the head. so as hanzo you always have to place yourself in that sweet spot to get the value from it.
5:42 IMO, Without Mercy, Hanzo is vulnerable against enemies more than ever. There are no longer need to be shoot through head for easy kill, it feels me like I'm useless. like you said, you have to flanking. Because of that, if your team haven't Mercy (or Kiriko) I don't want to be play as Hanzo , even I choose him in early game, I feel like that I have to change. Since then, I've enjoying w Venture most of time now.
Arrge getting the "Superman II" Hanzo experience that I get every game. I don't land headshots often or much at all, so people don't get one-shot. I'm used to having to hit them more than once. :) [In Superman II, he gives up his powers to become mortal.]
post nerf no pocket hanzo is a constant blueball. I can't even begin to tell how many times Mercy and Ana survived with 10 hp or how many times I headshot a genji blade dashing towards me but still died because he has 10 hp left.
I liked the version of him at the start of the previous season cause even though he couldnt one shot, storm arrow could melt with headshots others in one cooldown
how about hanzo arrows doing the previous damage at longer distances. like lets say from 20 to 30 meters it transitions from current dmg to previous dmg
I'm playing Hanzo on flank but it's very hard to be stealthy and have a good positioning. I feel like we have to take more risks. There other way is to play with your supports behind the tank and just annoys the other team supports. And headshot don't feel satisfying anymore, when I headshot someone I'm just like "huh... Ok next time..." The only opponents it's satisfying is against tracer and widow.
Hanzo needs an overcharge ability. Overcharge to do extra damage, hold it for too long you’d lose accuracy. And then they need ragdoll pin for arrow kills. Makes hanzo 100x funner.
They should definitely bring one shot back, the issue with the arrows was that they were too big compared to the rest of the dps heroes which explains the "random" head shots that people complained about. So, bring one shot back, but reduce the size of the arrows to the size of hitscan bullets, and add more noise and visual indicator to them. There, problem solved. Everyone's happy.
so i’ve never been one to consistently get headshots. most of my elims came from stormarrow anyway and that’s only gotten easier. i’m not so bothered by the nerfs
I understand most of the issues spoken here , as metal rank player (EU) i feel already that the pressure made by hanzo arrows are pretty non existent since most teams just turn to you and start shooting without having no regards for expecting to be killed, most times if my flank hanzo is getting kills is most likely cause i am hitting around 50% more of the shots which make it a lot harder to actually do something with the hero in a short spam of time and they are still using the heroes the arrow can one shot like tracer or widow, the moment they swap from those heroes or start contesting me my value drops to nothing since we need insane more aim to finish the kills faster that they can sustain or flee from.
If blizz are that worried about Hanzo having a one-shot. They could have a high-damage cooldown arrow. Think something like Sojourn's rail, maybe it resets on a kill like genji's dash, idk. Or they could just make him normal again
Remove the dash and put an ability in right click to throw a supercharged arrow dealing 260 dmg on headshot with a 6 sec cooldown. This ensures no spam arrows hit strong, but a precise one, rewarding the skilled hanzo for the precise head shot with an elimination
Bro i do not know how they do not dive you consistently, when i play they will switch into dva sombra and tracer and chase me down until I am forced to switch to survive a little more
after ow 1, this games kills me every time i play it! Op heale und tank charakters + no oneshots makes it hard to go on with your love for ow.. and i have 2kh Hanzo playtime and want more, but atm its not more this fun it was anytime :(
i kinda like that people dont pay attention to me this season but its so infuriating that i feel like i have to use my storm arrow to ensure a kill at times. It definitely feels like im tanking because im always keeping up with the other DPS and tank in damage but not necessarily having more kills because im just pushing them back and making space. Sometimes i randomly get a pocket mercy and then its like god mode has been unlocked.
Arrge, how do you get your sensitivity to be 1.875? I can't seem to do that, the game interface won't accept more than 2 decimals and rounds it to 1.88 whenever i try it
Lucio so loud with footsteps it actually gives me a headache lol. Idk why though but all sounds in game sound like it comes from opposite side. Like i would hear something in right ear but they are coming from left, idk if its my hearing or headphones, and no they arent on backwards.
got thousands of hours myself on hanzo, i get their intention for the change, but I don't enjoy how much it relies on teammates for the supplementary damage to determine if the fight is won or not
Hanzo needs a lower dmg per bow shot and higher firerate it would fix him , like 200 dmg instead of 240 and 100 instead of 120 and then faster firerate so u still have to land same amount of shots
Well in metal ranks where i am i have bootleg one shots thanks to moira always throwing damage orbs, i don't think the one shot removal is really thaaaaaat bad, it can also force cooldowns they could need for team battles or even force some ults, so is not a full waste there
And dont forget, Venture can two shot like hanzo, except they dont need headshots in order to do it! And the combo is super fast with cc so you can't easily escape it! Seriously. It's such a shame Arrge, because I can see the difference in your playstyle as an adaptation to the change. It's more frantic and less calculated.
Its whack because uts fine when widow head shot kills, but when hanzo does it it's annoying. It just sucks that the Devs benefit the people that complain about the likes of Hanzo and heck even Genji. If players get good with theze characters, they get nerfed and their enjoyment gets sacrificed for the enjoyment of everyone else.
I kind of wish they'd give Hanzo Kiriko's triple headshot modifier on his arrows so he could oneshot again, and then nerf his bodyshot damage. That would feel way more rewarding to play him solo without turning him into a dps monster.
enemies can just hard push in your face knowing they won’t be punished for it and it’s so tilting, feels like any 1v1 is a loss if u don’t have storm arrows
Man i was really enjoying the game by playing the way you played, as an assassin. They took it from us, there's no reason to play hanzo anymore. I usually play some cs2 when i'm bored of ow, but now i can't do that neither cuz of cheaters. What are they doing to my games man
Sorry if I’m late, did the developers say somewhere that they like where hanzo is it atm? Or are you saying that due to their radio silence on it? If someone could refer me to said blog post or video if so :/ I really hope they find a way to fix hanzo as this game gets less fun by the season
It feels so meh to play Hanzo now it's crazy. I get nothing out of it. My face looks as dead as yours. You really feel like you're just shooting arrows vs before when you felt like a trained special character who is a member of Overwatch.
If Blizzard wants this new style for Hanzo he has to have a better ultimate. That's how other characters who just spam damage for have trouble cleaning up are built around.
For a while I've been trying to think of ways to fix new Hanzo without going back to the one-shot, since it's pretty clear Blizzard doesn't want to. Things like better projectile speed/fire rate, more flexible movement, etc. Watching this video, though, I had a new thought. You mention how Hanzo is only really good for dueling Widow now, even though Widow herself is better at it. Well, imagine if more heroes than just Widow had stayed at 200HP. I have a few in mind but it doesn't really matter who. Just having that small pool of characters who Hanzo is more effective against I think would have gone a long way to making him feel like a niche yet impactful Hero. I doubt Blizzard would ever do targeted HP reversions - it's probably less likely than a Hanzo buff - but it's interesting to think about the hypothetical
you mean the whole support role..? while widow can just deny one of the supports, they have to back up after 1 kill so hanzo should be able to do the same because they're snipers the point of snipers in ow is to deal with the abundant of healing, 2 pocket healer? kill them rightaway with a headshot, zen ult? kill them with another headshot, the list go on...
Certainly not the whole role, but definitely a few of them. Kirko, Ana, Mercy, maybe Illari. But I was also thinking characters like Sombra, Genji, maybe some like Sojourn and Echo, and y'know - even Hanzo himself (but only if you buff his movement). Do it mainly to high mobility and long range characters, to emphasize the high risk high reward playstyle of the former, and make the latter more punishable when they're out of position
@@geminimaxxim yea it could work to some extend like you said, but it still turn into the sombra versus ball situation (pick and counter pick) and it's probably not very good anymore if the game revolve around hard counter then it's still introduce a lot of problem to both hanzo himself and other characters that get countered by his 1 shot. and, even though the game is designed with the counter swap in mind, doing it to the extreme would just makes people rage quit, and i think if you spend enough time with 1 hero you need to be able to deal with every single character to some extend. also, changing any of the heroes hp will essentially make said heroes weak against all other heroes and not just hanzo himself
So at first i kinda enjoyed the different play style. But now when I lose fights i should’ve won purely based on other dps that are just better suited at doing their job. I have 200+ hours on Hanzo and it’s really sad to see him get nerfed because it completely changed the feeling of the hero
All in all, ever since they added storm arrows they didn't want hanzo to be a oneshot hero anymore, since you're basically able to secure at least 1 kill with the ability itself, every 8 seconds. There's no reason to chase after the instant gratification of a headshot since most heroes don't oneshot anymore, welp unless you're hardscoping on a widowmaker. But headshot on widow does take more aim and is less unforgiving than the arrow itself. We've seen this path solidifying for a long time and personally I don't think it's worth chasing a dream, that is obviously avoided by developers. They want to make this game appealing to everyone and dying from a certain direction with one projectile or stun is not part of it anymore. But maybe I'm wrong and they'll change their mind again.
New Hanzo Pros: people stopped whining about spamzo or saying lucky, you can still do your thing if your teammates work with you, you're not threatening so you can take advantage of their lack of attention Cons: you need storm arrow to solo kill or a teammate to follow up, you're essentially a riskier less consistent sojourn, you're not threatening so they run you over I never had a problem with one-shot, but any buff they give him to get one (like, shooting while lunging or holding the bow full draw longer or something) is gonna make people complain. I dunno man.
I just miss your old assassin playstyle....you had more strategic moves and patience... now it is more spam dmg without the one-shot hanzo doesn't make sense...and storm arrows is a pathetic ability compared to what others have.... let's not forget that they also removed the ability to climb and shoot with fully charged arrows...so 2 nerfs bliz never showed the same love to hanzo as they do for other heroes...it's sad.... it get's even sadder when most supports can easily 1v1 hanzo and they don't even try to avoid or fear....just straight up 1v1 and 90% win
i think hanzo isn't as fun anymore, but i think his storm arrow is really reliable still, especially with discord. This is why i play other heroes and i don't one trick hanzo.
It's kind of funny though, the only game I really do well with Hanzo anymore is when the enemy respects me. Without that, there is really nothing stopping them from dogpiling you. If they don't want to bring back the one shot they should at least give him more movement to compensate for the lack of damage.
I have over 2k hours on hanzo as GM and for me there is no point in picking him anymore. It is just boring to play him and as you mentioned the impactloss is considerable
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There’s nothing worse than lining up the perfect headshot, hearing “mink,” and seeing them duck behind cover immediately because they didn’t die… 😢
Ahh just how the devs intended... 😭
yea i got a very very sick headshot on pharah while i was mid air above her and was super pissed how she lives that and die!
Illari does more consistent damage than Hanzo
Zen OS better than hanzo xdd
What about junkrat clip dumps where they hit a mine, land the air shot and don't get a kill.
Hitting a headshot on a squishy and not getting a pick is not just unsatisfying, it's aggravating and somewhat tilting. Like I would honestly feel better if I missed completely than hearing a dink and not getting the elimination.
I really really hate how assassin Hanzo is gone, my fondest memories are all dumb flanks and hiding spots. Give him a oneshot on a cool down will probably be enough for assassin to be playable without being too oneshotty.
One shot on a cool down? Are you suggesting they give Hanzo a 3rd ability that takes up another key-binding that can one shot but has a 15 second cool down or something?
@@Smilin_Tyler Yeah. Something like empowering next arrow.
@soberstoners7610 I mean, you could've done that with old Hanzo with unlimited oneshots and I didn't spawncamp back then.
they should make his arrows noticeable (like storm arrows) and make bullet size drastically smaller but give back one shot so it feels less random
@@passerby4507 This is honestly a solid idea. Like bind right click for an empowered arrow on a cooldown but if you land a kill with headshot it resets like genji's dash. This way you get the sense of agency back with securing kills from one-shots but it has to be intentional rather than luck-based.
I stopped flanking because it wasn't worth the risk anymore. I have lost a lot of duels where I land the headshot, but don't have enough time to get the second shot in simply because they shoot faster than me (Sojourn, Venture, Genji, Cassidy). I can still play Hanzo, but I have to work much more harder for that kill and doesn't feel rewarding, especially up against flying characters or pocketed ones. I find myself playing Cassidy again due to the consistency or practicing with widow for that important pick to go in.
Fighting Hanzos is also easier because I can simply run him down, especially since it's easy to dodge the arrows most of the time.
I appreciate your guides though, they were helpful when I was learning Hanzo last year.
you can literally go up close and melee to finish them off if u did land the headshot or press e and obliterate anything that's not a transformed bastion or mei/reaper with their get out of jail free card. from anything thats not arrge elo, hanzo dominates just as easily if not more because landing shot is easier
@@aegislight5996 The headshot is what helped Hanzo in higher Elo's though? Without it he is forced to follow up, therefore losing a ton of value without a pocket.
most deadly combo is pharra, mercy, echo, or replace either of those dps with sombra. I'm still having fun this season but im having to switch off Hanzo more frequently or work harder as him for less results.
I hope this is a video about a hanzo without pocket in season 10
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I literally haven't played hanzo in a normal gamemode since the nerf.
I uninstalled the game, the nerf was the last nail in the coffin
Weak Hanzos will complain
@@happybuggy1582 seems like some stuff works different for you than majority.
@@feloi3033 the majority says oneshots are unhealthy, you may want to get out of that echo chamber of yours
@@curie1420 seems like you misunderstood me there, or my way of writing. If so I'm sorry for that but I stand with parties that agrees with Hanzo one shot, being a sniper character hitting that juicy headshot and all you hear is that headshot dink and enemy doesn't die is frustrating. I'm a Hanzo main myself and hate the change.
You hit the nail right on the head, all the points you made has been my overall experience playing hanzo this season unsatisfying AF
That's the feeling now, it's like any other character I pick, would have more impact. He's the DPS hamtaro now.
And you know people at the HQ are saying "Well he is still getting kills and people in Silver are doing okay with Hanzo so he is in a good place."
As a silver player, it’s true. He is good in silver, but despite how well I can play him at my rank, I can’t rank up, I always go down. Honestly considering swapping to a more impactful character until Hanzo is more rewarding to play.
8:37
you create space
more space than what the tank does most of the time
it's ridiculous
I can feel your genuine frustration about this through the screen, I also hope it's getting better soon
The sound of headshots now gives me depression.
All I want is the one shot back
hanzo is my main, but honestly this is way more healthy for the game imo
@@TayyabTVnot really, he’s had one shot since launch. If widow gets to have it he should too. They can make it so that his projectile size remains pre-season 9 so he’s high effort-high reward.
@@TayyabTV well, im sorta 50/50 on that, sure no more one shots means no more luck, but now hanzo is pretty much useless, unless you have like 1000 hours on him to hit consistent shots. And no one will be playing him in lower rank. Hanzo is now a terrible character, and it wont be changed.
@@S3V3NOW no more luck? now you NEED luck to kill someone with headshot lmao.
@@S3V3NOWHanzo being bad is basically the healthiest state this game can be in
I actually made a concept over on Twitter for what changes they could make to Hanzo to add one-shot back while also raising his skill ceiling. The changes also aimed to hopefully reduce the appeal of spam, and reward carefully aimed shots. I know the changes look a little scary at first, but don't worry. I'm no "Game Balance Expert", but I tried my best.
I'm sure you can find the original post if you search with the BUFFHANZO hastag
Storm Bow
- Maximum Damage reduced to 110 (220 on headshot)
- Maximum Projectile Speed reduced to 100 m/s (from 110 m/s)
- After an arrow has been fully drawn for 0.2 seconds, the arrow will become ‘supercharged’, and will have its damage increased to 130 (260 on crit), and its projectile speed is increased to 125 m/s.
- Charge Time decreased to 0.632 (from 0.732 seconds)
- Recovery Time increased to 0.6 seconds (from 0.5 seconds)
- Projectile Radius decreased to 0.125 meters (from 0.175)
- (Potential addition) Now has up to 30% damage fall-off, starting at 40 meters, and reaching max fall-off at 50 meters.
- Added a visual indicator around the reticle that gradually fills as the arrow becomes charged. The indicator turns orange when your arrow becomes supercharged
- When Hanzo's arrows become supercharged, there is a subtle shimmer effect and sound (on top of the already existing subtle draw sound) See Hanzo’s Storm Bow ability in Heroes of the Storm for reference.
- Note
These are a huge array of changes to how Hanzo’s Bow works. There is now a sharp increase to how fast and powerful Hanzo’s arrows after the bow has been fully charged, encouraging players to take their time. Along with this, the projectile size has been changed to reward accurate and carefully aimed shots. Noticeably, 0.1 seconds of the charge time has been shaved off and added to the recovery time. This adjustment aims (no pun intended) to reduce the overall appeal of spamming, and make Hanzo more reactive with how he can use his weapon. Hanzo is a marksman-style hero with a single shot weapon, so landing your hits should be rewarded.
Originally, these values were swapped (charge time being 0.1 sec longer, recovery time being 0.1 sec shorter), but I didn’t think it would work well to reduce spam. I kept bouncing back and forth between such ideas, but I’ll settle for this direction for now. To hopefully have the best of both worlds, I added the small 0.2 second delay before an arrow becomes supercharged. That way you can have more options on how to use the weapon depending on the threat and situation
One excuse of why Widowmaker is sometimes exempt from one-shot gate is that she’s a hitscan, so shots either hit or miss (allegedly, there’s less of a luck factor and more skill involved). With this logic in mind, if Hanzo’s arrows were much faster, there would be “less time” for them to travel, and as such, less time for some poor sap to walk around a corner and be served a delicious arrow.
Storm Arrows
- Damage decreased to 65 (from 75)
- Cooldown increased to 10 seconds (from 8)
- For each arrow not fired, Storm Arrow's cooldown is decreased by 2 seconds. (Not firing any arrows will not incur it's cooldown)
Note
In Season 9, Hanzo’s Storm Arrow ability was buffed to compensate for his one-shot being dumpstered. However, now that his one-shot on 250 HP heroes (The new norm) has returned, he won’t really need these changes anymore, especially since spamming is something not even Hanzo players like doing.
Wall Climb
(Should really affect all Wall-Climbing Heroes)
- Wall Climbing is now a fixed 8 meters per second, regardless of movement speed. (For Hanzo, this is an Increase of 0.85 m/s. For Genji, this is an Increase of 0.2 m/s)
- Wall Climb can be used again if you get off the wall while you still have duration left.
- Added a gauge to show how much of Wall Climb’s duration has been used, which will immediately refill upon touching the ground like normal.
Lunge
- Restores up to 0.5 seconds of Hanzo’s Wall Climb when used (can’t exceed the cap of 1 second).
- Has a little more upward impulse.
- During Lunge’s initial dash, Hanzo will now slide up incoming inclines instead of getting stuck. Now working similarly to how other similar abilities work.
Note
Lunge now has a new effect of restoring a small duration of Hanzo’s wall-climb. Lunge and Wall Climb are often used together, and this new mechanic will give Hanzo players more potential with their roll-outs and raise the skill expression of how both abilities can be used. Just imagine seeing Hanzo start doing wall jumps.
Lunge will now work similarly to other lunge-type abilities to decrease the chance of getting stuck on small upward inclines, and give more freedom to how this ability works with the environment.
Dragonstrike
- Cast time reduced to 0.85 seconds (was 0.91)
- Arrow travel distance before dragons appear reduced to 8 meters (was 10)
- Dragonstrike length increased to 50 meters (from 40)
- Dragon speed increased to 50 m/s (from 40)
- Damage per dragon increased to 175 (from 150)
- Dragonstrike’s damage ignores damage resistances.
- Can now damage constructs (I.E. Turrets, Immortality Field)
- Cost increased to 2000 (from 1850 (For reference, the same as Cassidy’s Deadeye))
Note
Dragonstrike has always been a lackluster ultimate, ever since Overwatch 2 especially. It has always felt like more of a normal ability. The only real use it sees is as an area denial tool, but it’s not really good at that either.
The cast time and distance before the dragons appear being reduced is a small but potentially big change to the pacing of the ultimate itself, as before, the effective cast time of Dragonstrike was about 1.41 seconds (0.91 sec cast time + 0.5 second delay before dragons appear). Now, it’s only 1.25 seconds.
The length increase makes Dragonstrike a tad bit better as an area denial tool (which is what the ultimate is supposed to be good at). It’s worth mentioning that while the speed means it reaches areas quicker, it also means it passes faster as well. With the change to both the length and speed, the time it spends in one area is roughly the same with the bonus of reaching it's area faster.
The flat damage was increased to bring it in line with Season 9’s health changes, and the introduction of ignoring damage resistances makes this ultimate better against tank-y compositions without having to scale the damage incredibly high.
If they keep the Weak headshot thing I just wish they could rework sonic arrow to allow Oneshot headshots. Reward those of us who are risk takers lol
@@thestranger1164 I actually had an idea that was kind of like that. Sonic Arrow had a shorter base duration, but if it directly hit an enemy, its duration was increased.
I decided against it, because I think Sonic Arrow is fine the way it is.
The hanzo Nerf made it really unsatisfying to play. I don’t even wanna play comp anymore.
I switched to playing support for the while being and hanzo in qp
Think my worst experience was hitting that perfect headshot on a Genji right as he bladed and dashed into my backline only for him to survive, smack my supports, and then deflect so all I can do is look at him and realize he should have been dead... just as when we were boys.
It sounds like what the devs actually want from Hanzo is a character who waits for targets who are less than full health. So either you take out enemies who push to far forward or when focusing on a target with your allies
This doesn't sound like a bad idea, just a completely different playstyle than what a majority of Hanzo players are used to
Targets that try to back away / get into cover are harder to hit tho, especially from a long distance
@@DarkCrusade3 yeah for a precision projectile hero this just doesn't make sense
A character who has to wait for potential is a LOT worse than a character who GIVES potential.
Nope, it's the worst idea. If you don't want hanzo to be a one shot, then delete him and Widow from the game. Simple as that.
Same problem as junkrat. Fun flanks removed, so only viable option is spam and create space from an off-angle without any kills.
4:05 what's the music playing in the back ?
hey arrge, love your videos! even with hanzo being what he is now, your still able to pop off crazy with him. take it easy ❤🔥
This video is why I stopped playing overwatch as much they nerfed Honzo, Junkrat and Rien to near unplayble levels and they didn't decide to buff any of them this season
@@kingofgrim4761 the problem with removing the junkrat combo by making it no longer kill, is that the only playstyle left is being the spam junkrat
I played mostly Hanzo, but when I didn't want to have to aim as much I'd always pick junkrat and play to pick the backline, now it's much more unreliable and it's better to just spam
I was a rein main that went hanzo main after Overwatch 2 launch. Now I'm just sad.
Papa Jeff would´ve never allowed this level of disrespect towards our boi Hanzo.
I get the big damage numbers in stat every game but it still feels boring overall, cant get over the fact that a headshot never kills anyone. Makes me wonder why do I even try to go for them in the first place.
Teen Wolf is such a banger, it sucks tho that it only had 6 seasons
What if they made the draw time for one shot the same amount of time as widow maker scope?
"dps that just does damage per second and doesent get kills" best explanation of todays hanzo
I’m curious if they could instead do a charge mechanic for him where after 1 second of max charge you get a power shot that you can fire that does about 30 more damage. That way you can still ohko every squishy besides bastion/armored 300 hp squishies, and you can’t just spam one arrow after another and have to take breaks in between shots to get a one shot. This also would have Hanzo play more of a playstyle where you’re looking to time that perfect arrow for a kill
hanzo is not a dps anymore his a support now.Hanzo just there to reveal enemy with sonic arrow and tickle enemy with so many shots for team to get the kill.
it blows that hanzo went from making picks to taking picks. its starting to feel like i have to follow up on everyone elses kills instead of getting my own off of headshots.
they should give hanzo a sweet spot like battlefield 1. where for example between 30 to 40 meters his arrows one shot to the head. so as hanzo you always have to place yourself in that sweet spot to get the value from it.
8:00 they may turn him into an tank for creating space
5:42 IMO, Without Mercy, Hanzo is vulnerable against enemies more than ever. There are no longer need to be shoot through head for easy kill, it feels me like I'm useless. like you said, you have to flanking. Because of that, if your team haven't Mercy (or Kiriko) I don't want to be play as Hanzo , even I choose him in early game, I feel like that I have to change. Since then, I've enjoying w Venture most of time now.
they should put a distant head shot , like up to 10 meters you would kill and far enemies you wouldnt , what do you think ?
Arrge getting the "Superman II" Hanzo experience that I get every game. I don't land headshots often or much at all, so people don't get one-shot. I'm used to having to hit them more than once. :)
[In Superman II, he gives up his powers to become mortal.]
post nerf no pocket hanzo is a constant blueball. I can't even begin to tell how many times Mercy and Ana survived with 10 hp or how many times I headshot a genji blade dashing towards me but still died because he has 10 hp left.
I liked the version of him at the start of the previous season cause even though he couldnt one shot, storm arrow could melt with headshots others in one cooldown
With every headshot you'll be reminded of what was.. 😔
Oh man every time you said space I flinched. Heellllp uuusssss!
can we give some passive ability to yhe dragons?
make.them Smokey and trasparent for allies?
make dragon give20% defence?
or whatever?
how about hanzo arrows doing the previous damage at longer distances. like lets say from 20 to 30 meters it transitions from current dmg to previous dmg
I'm playing Hanzo on flank but it's very hard to be stealthy and have a good positioning. I feel like we have to take more risks.
There other way is to play with your supports behind the tank and just annoys the other team supports.
And headshot don't feel satisfying anymore, when I headshot someone I'm just like "huh... Ok next time..." The only opponents it's satisfying is against tracer and widow.
The fact that arrge respects the awesomeness that is teen wolf makes me so happy lol
Hanzo needs an overcharge ability. Overcharge to do extra damage, hold it for too long you’d lose accuracy.
And then they need ragdoll pin for arrow kills. Makes hanzo 100x funner.
They should definitely bring one shot back, the issue with the arrows was that they were too big compared to the rest of the dps heroes which explains the "random" head shots that people complained about. So, bring one shot back, but reduce the size of the arrows to the size of hitscan bullets, and add more noise and visual indicator to them. There, problem solved. Everyone's happy.
so i’ve never been one to consistently get headshots. most of my elims came from stormarrow anyway and that’s only gotten easier. i’m not so bothered by the nerfs
It feel really good getting dove by sombra, hitting a crazy 180 headshot, and still dying
It feels like you have to use storm arrow in every duel to win, and then a support just rolls you afterwards.
I understand most of the issues spoken here , as metal rank player (EU) i feel already that the pressure made by hanzo arrows are pretty non existent since most teams just turn to you and start shooting without having no regards for expecting to be killed, most times if my flank hanzo is getting kills is most likely cause i am hitting around 50% more of the shots which make it a lot harder to actually do something with the hero in a short spam of time and they are still using the heroes the arrow can one shot like tracer or widow, the moment they swap from those heroes or start contesting me my value drops to nothing since we need insane more aim to finish the kills faster that they can sustain or flee from.
How would y'all feel about a one-shot within 25m? I just miss playing assassin corner camper more so than long range one shots
2 questions
1 . Im slow whats pocket 😭
2. How do u move while making the ult? It stops me from moving when i do it
If blizz are that worried about Hanzo having a one-shot. They could have a high-damage cooldown arrow. Think something like Sojourn's rail, maybe it resets on a kill like genji's dash, idk. Or they could just make him normal again
Remove the dash and put an ability in right click to throw a supercharged arrow dealing 260 dmg on headshot with a 6 sec cooldown. This ensures no spam arrows hit strong, but a precise one, rewarding the skilled hanzo for the precise head shot with an elimination
Bro i do not know how they do not dive you consistently, when i play they will switch into dva sombra and tracer and chase me down until I am forced to switch to survive a little more
Yup. As soon as they realize im an issue they go sombra/winston and boom the game is ruined just like that lol
after ow 1, this games kills me every time i play it! Op heale und tank charakters + no oneshots makes it hard to go on with your love for ow.. and i have 2kh Hanzo playtime and want more, but atm its not more this fun it was anytime :(
i kinda like that people dont pay attention to me this season but its so infuriating that i feel like i have to use my storm arrow to ensure a kill at times. It definitely feels like im tanking because im always keeping up with the other DPS and tank in damage but not necessarily having more kills because im just pushing them back and making space. Sometimes i randomly get a pocket mercy and then its like god mode has been unlocked.
Arrge, how do you get your sensitivity to be 1.875? I can't seem to do that, the game interface won't accept more than 2 decimals and rounds it to 1.88 whenever i try it
Lucio so loud with footsteps it actually gives me a headache lol. Idk why though but all sounds in game sound like it comes from opposite side. Like i would hear something in right ear but they are coming from left, idk if its my hearing or headphones, and no they arent on backwards.
got thousands of hours myself on hanzo, i get their intention for the change, but I don't enjoy how much it relies on teammates for the supplementary damage to determine if the fight is won or not
This character is op definitely trying this out
never played an awesome game like this
Hanzo needs a lower dmg per bow shot and higher firerate it would fix him , like 200 dmg instead of 240 and 100 instead of 120 and then faster firerate so u still have to land same amount of shots
Well in metal ranks where i am i have bootleg one shots thanks to moira always throwing damage orbs, i don't think the one shot removal is really thaaaaaat bad, it can also force cooldowns they could need for team battles or even force some ults, so is not a full waste there
Thank you for another amazing video arrge! ❤ I really hope hanzo will be fixed soon 😢, can't wait for the next video! ❤
MR.Finland back at it with the clips
your flicks are still lovely!
They kinda force you to play spammey mid-range hanzo....
Hes going into genji zone which means he probably not going to get buffed anytime soon
its like point blank a gun to someones face and they re still not dead
Yoooo another video KEEP GOING
Duo as hanzo and sombra would probably be cool since sombra can finish off your opponents when they’re hiding from you.
If they want to keep him like that, they should give him wall bounce on base shots without possibility to headshot with the bounce
Mama, why is that man wearing cat ears? (great vid as always ty for content mwah mwah)
And dont forget, Venture can two shot like hanzo, except they dont need headshots in order to do it! And the combo is super fast with cc so you can't easily escape it! Seriously. It's such a shame Arrge, because I can see the difference in your playstyle as an adaptation to the change. It's more frantic and less calculated.
Its whack because uts fine when widow head shot kills, but when hanzo does it it's annoying. It just sucks that the Devs benefit the people that complain about the likes of Hanzo and heck even Genji. If players get good with theze characters, they get nerfed and their enjoyment gets sacrificed for the enjoyment of everyone else.
I kind of wish they'd give Hanzo Kiriko's triple headshot modifier on his arrows so he could oneshot again, and then nerf his bodyshot damage. That would feel way more rewarding to play him solo without turning him into a dps monster.
After nerf I’m a doom and genji main now. Had almost 800 hrs on Hanzo too
enemies can just hard push in your face knowing they won’t be punished for it and it’s so tilting, feels like any 1v1 is a loss if u don’t have storm arrows
they did hanzo so dirty man
Man i was really enjoying the game by playing the way you played, as an assassin. They took it from us, there's no reason to play hanzo anymore. I usually play some cs2 when i'm bored of ow, but now i can't do that neither cuz of cheaters. What are they doing to my games man
Sorry if I’m late, did the developers say somewhere that they like where hanzo is it atm? Or are you saying that due to their radio silence on it? If someone could refer me to said blog post or video if so :/ I really hope they find a way to fix hanzo as this game gets less fun by the season
i love you arrge you make me happy ❤
It feels so meh to play Hanzo now it's crazy. I get nothing out of it. My face looks as dead as yours. You really feel like you're just shooting arrows vs before when you felt like a trained special character who is a member of Overwatch.
4:37 dk why they didn't just give hanzo what they gave to widow during her last "rework"
If Blizzard wants this new style for Hanzo he has to have a better ultimate. That's how other characters who just spam damage for have trouble cleaning up are built around.
For a while I've been trying to think of ways to fix new Hanzo without going back to the one-shot, since it's pretty clear Blizzard doesn't want to. Things like better projectile speed/fire rate, more flexible movement, etc. Watching this video, though, I had a new thought.
You mention how Hanzo is only really good for dueling Widow now, even though Widow herself is better at it. Well, imagine if more heroes than just Widow had stayed at 200HP. I have a few in mind but it doesn't really matter who. Just having that small pool of characters who Hanzo is more effective against I think would have gone a long way to making him feel like a niche yet impactful Hero. I doubt Blizzard would ever do targeted HP reversions - it's probably less likely than a Hanzo buff - but it's interesting to think about the hypothetical
you mean the whole support role..? while widow can just deny one of the supports, they have to back up after 1 kill so hanzo should be able to do the same because they're snipers
the point of snipers in ow is to deal with the abundant of healing, 2 pocket healer? kill them rightaway with a headshot, zen ult? kill them with another headshot, the list go on...
Certainly not the whole role, but definitely a few of them. Kirko, Ana, Mercy, maybe Illari. But I was also thinking characters like Sombra, Genji, maybe some like Sojourn and Echo, and y'know - even Hanzo himself (but only if you buff his movement). Do it mainly to high mobility and long range characters, to emphasize the high risk high reward playstyle of the former, and make the latter more punishable when they're out of position
@@geminimaxxim yea it could work to some extend like you said, but it still turn into the sombra versus ball situation (pick and counter pick) and it's probably not very good anymore
if the game revolve around hard counter then it's still introduce a lot of problem to both hanzo himself and other characters that get countered by his 1 shot.
and, even though the game is designed with the counter swap in mind, doing it to the extreme would just makes people rage quit, and i think if you spend enough time with 1 hero you need to be able to deal with every single character to some extend.
also, changing any of the heroes hp will essentially make said heroes weak against all other heroes and not just hanzo himself
They should make a fully drawn arrow hitscan
Hanzo used to be a character you needed a lot of experience with, but now you need skill also😭🤣
I think the developers want to turn hanzo into a mind goblin😩
So at first i kinda enjoyed the different play style. But now when I lose fights i should’ve won purely based on other dps that are just better suited at doing their job. I have 200+ hours on Hanzo and it’s really sad to see him get nerfed because it completely changed the feeling of the hero
The death of Hanzo is real
All in all, ever since they added storm arrows they didn't want hanzo to be a oneshot hero anymore, since you're basically able to secure at least 1 kill with the ability itself, every 8 seconds. There's no reason to chase after the instant gratification of a headshot since most heroes don't oneshot anymore, welp unless you're hardscoping on a widowmaker. But headshot on widow does take more aim and is less unforgiving than the arrow itself. We've seen this path solidifying for a long time and personally I don't think it's worth chasing a dream, that is obviously avoided by developers. They want to make this game appealing to everyone and dying from a certain direction with one projectile or stun is not part of it anymore. But maybe I'm wrong and they'll change their mind again.
They should give hanzo fall off damage. Let him 1 shot between like 0-20m so you can still play a sort of back line assassin brawler type of build
5:42 yeah tbh I would've enjoyed it , not as much as one-shotting tho...
How did you manage to get the latency so low ?
the server he playing in is located in his country.
New Hanzo
Pros: people stopped whining about spamzo or saying lucky, you can still do your thing if your teammates work with you, you're not threatening so you can take advantage of their lack of attention
Cons: you need storm arrow to solo kill or a teammate to follow up, you're essentially a riskier less consistent sojourn, you're not threatening so they run you over
I never had a problem with one-shot, but any buff they give him to get one (like, shooting while lunging or holding the bow full draw longer or something) is gonna make people complain. I dunno man.
I just miss your old assassin playstyle....you had more strategic moves and patience... now it is more spam dmg
without the one-shot hanzo doesn't make sense...and storm arrows is a pathetic ability compared to what others have....
let's not forget that they also removed the ability to climb and shoot with fully charged arrows...so 2 nerfs
bliz never showed the same love to hanzo as they do for other heroes...it's sad....
it get's even sadder when most supports can easily 1v1 hanzo and they don't even try to avoid or fear....just straight up 1v1 and 90% win
Obv nerf sucks, I’ve found storm arrow actually quite useful now since regular arrow body shot plus 2 storm body shots or storm headshot now kills
Hanzo feels awful season 9-10
he is after the hp buff😭
i think hanzo isn't as fun anymore, but i think his storm arrow is really reliable still, especially with discord. This is why i play other heroes and i don't one trick hanzo.
hanzo still a sniper?
It's kind of funny though, the only game I really do well with Hanzo anymore is when the enemy respects me. Without that, there is really nothing stopping them from dogpiling you. If they don't want to bring back the one shot they should at least give him more movement to compensate for the lack of damage.
I have over 2k hours on hanzo as GM and for me there is no point in picking him anymore. It is just boring to play him and as you mentioned the impactloss is considerable