The CRAZIEST Player Exit in Colts HISTORY | Roger Carr (1982 Colts)
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- Опубликовано: 20 июл 2021
- Prior to the start of the 1982 NFL season, Colts wide receiver Roger Carr desperately wanted to leave the Baltimore Colts following the departure of quarterback Bert Jones and the arrival of head coach Frank Kush. But when the Colts didn't trade him, Carr devised a plan to intentionally play terribly and break team rules so he would get his way. The end result turned out to be the craziest player exit in the history of the Colts franchise
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Roger Carr played for the following teams:
1974 Colts
1975 Colts
1976 Colts
1977 Colts
1978 Colts
1979 Colts
1980 Colts
1981 Colts
1982 Colts (preseason)
1982 Seahawks
1983 Chargers
Members of the 1982 Colts:
Dan Miller
Rohn Stark
Art Schlichter
David Humm
Mike Wood
Mike Pagel
Nesby Glasgow
Kim Anderson
Darryl Hemphill
Cleveland Franklin
Larry Anderson
Zachary Dixon
Randy McMillian
Curtis Dickey
Jeff Delaney
Dwayne O'Steen
Johnnie Wright
Derrick Hatchett
Sid Justin
Jim Burroughs
Cliff Odom
Joe Harris
Ricky Jones
Greg Bracelin
Ray Donaldson
Sanders Shiver
Barry Krauss
Mike Humiston
Dave Simmons
Gary Padjen
Ken Huff
Nat Hudson
Ben Utt
Glenn Hyde
Arland Thompson
Jeff Hart
Leo Wisniewski
Steve Durham
Cleveland Crosby
Terry Crouch
Greg Murtha
John Sinnott
Ray Butler
Pat Beach
Tim Sherwin
Holden Smith
Matt Bouza
Reese McCall
Elmer Bailey
Bernard Henry
James Hunter
Harry Stanback
Fletcher Jenkins
Johnie Cooks
Donnell Thompson
Frank Kush (head coach)
Robert Irsay (owner) 
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It's a shame that people have basically forgotten about Bert Jones. He was way ahead of his time in terms of the style of football he played. Lets say he played in the 80's on a Bill Walsh or Don Coryell coached offensive scheme he would have gone down as one of the greatest QB's of all time.
If he played for Don Coryell in the late 70s/early 80s, Bert Jones might have thrown for 5000 yards in a season before Marino did in 1984.
Picture him with Winslow, JJ, Joiner, Wes Chandler, Muncie and James Brooks in that offense.
@@timothyweaver3344 IDK about that. Carr today would be moved to the slot and catch lots of 3-7 yard dinks and dunks because as we all know the slot is the only place white WRs can play in today's NFL, right? Then he'd throw a tantrum about being misused (which he'd be right about) and that would be that.
@@timothyweaver3344 I'm 43 and know that Bert Jones was John Elway before John Elway. Which is ironic considering that Elway wanted nothing to do with the Colts, who were a dysfunctional franchise.
@@derekcabanaw1789 totally. I remember getting really excited to watch Jones play in an early season game against the Raiders or Steelers in 78. The Colts had virtually no offensive line and Jones was running for his life every single time he dropped back to pass and then he got hit and basically that hit not only ended his season but triggered an injury which really ended his time as an elite level QB as well as put the Colts in an almost 20 year tailspin that really only ended once they drafted Manning in 98.
The Bert Jones I remember had a great arm but also could read defenses exceptionally well and had remarkable touch on his passes when needed. Again, I would have LOVED to see him play for a team that would know how to utilize his talents. His career should not have ended at the young age of 27 (yeah, I know he played until he was 31 or 32 but his career all but ended in 1978).
Glad others see and feel the same...even when he was here they began to mount against him- and the very conservative Marchibroda offense and ultimately the poor state of the team due to IRSAY AND THE INJURY TO BERT...I WORSHIPPED HIM AND THE COLTS THOSE YEARS! NOBODY EVER EVEN MENTIONS THEM AS IF GHOSTS!
I've been a Colts fan since 1975 and I never heard about this. Of course I was just a kid back then, and I lived in California, so Colts news was hard to find. Thanks for sharing this!
What, nobody else is going to comment on the delicious irony of Carr wanting a trade, then being traded to the team with the coach he wanted run out of town before Kush took over? You cannot tell me that wasn't done on purpose 😈
Grew up with the Colts during the late 1970's until they left. I was at Memorial Stadium when they tied the Packers in 1982. It was like they won the Super Bowl on that day LOL.
@Matt Joseph I think the only team they may have had a chance against would have been the Lions. I went to a lot of games from 1978-1982 thanks to my neighbor getting season tickets and his wife not being a football fan they had no kids and I was 10 so it was great LOL. I did see Art Schlichter debut and it was real forgettable LOL.
@@MichaelGreen-dm2ov Had they played the Lions they would have won.
@@MichaelGreen-dm2ov What that lying SOB (I won't write his name) did to the city of Baltimore was a crime. I may be a Giants fan, but that was a disgrace to the game.
@@NJGuy1973 It might have been different if he came clean and said look no new stadium and I am moving the team. But no he had to be a d@^k about it. At least when we stole the Browns and yes we stole them straight up the team colors and heritage remained in Cleveland. While I love the Ravens I still hate the way the Colts left. Go Giants!
@@alwaysmiserable I did see them play the Bills in a preseason game and they got smashed 35-3. I think that was the final score. All I remember is that the Bills were playing their 3rd stringers and beating the hex out of us. LOL
The Colts might have been a SB team in 1977 with a healthy Carr. He got hurt that year; the Colts offense struggled somewhat without him although the defense improved. A series of injuries meant that Carr never came close to duplicating his 1976 season. It was a shame Bert Jones got hurt a lot as well. Jones was the 70s version of John Elway
I'm old enough to remember the Colts leaving town, but not old enough to remember how amazingly dysfunctional they were . Whenever we went anywhere on Sundays, my dad would listen to the game on the radio. At one point, he got frustrated during a game and switched to a music station. After a while, the DJ on the music station said that if you were listening to the Colts game then you don't need to bother switching back. Apparently an insurmountable lead had just turned into an absolutely embarrassing blow out. Another time, I remember the only Colts highlight they had to show on the local news that day was a punt return for a touchdown that got called back because of a penalty. It's sad that my dad died before the Ravens got to town.
He could have been in Cleveland instead of Baltimore and had the worse of everything then see them leave and win a couple in another city ....Then Be stuck with the same Losing league Leaders always a $hit Bowl... Poor Browns fans....Should Get A pass on Disability..I hate Cleveland Browns I’m a Redskin fan...Some reason I can’t ever watch a game on T.V The Team is ugly and terrible....I think they need to start over they took the Brown name back and that losing tradition...The Browns died with Paul Brown they win nothing ever again he hated them after they fired him they are cursed.
@@chrisslaughter5552 When the Ravens first came to town, a lot of people had mixed feelings. But when we saw how the NFL treated Cleveland as compared to Baltimore we were all shocked. For 12 years after the Colts left, the NFL treated Baltimore like a piece of dog poo that the league once stepped in. When Cleveland lost their team, it didn't seem like the NFL could give them a replacement team fast enough. Cleveland even got to keep the Brown's name, colors, and history. In fact, part of the reason why the new Browns have sucked for so long is because the expansion team was rushed to the league so fast. Do I feel bad for Cleveland fans? Well as much as I have enjoyed watching them suck for so long (and I have), no fan deserves a team that is that bad. Do I have a problem rooting for the Ravens? No, not at all. Look, at the end of the day the NFL is a business that exists to make money. So we can't be surprised when they do things in the name of greed. All I ask is that if you move, change your team's name! The name and history belong to the fans of the original city!
@@matthewbanta3240 I agree hey they might get close but they Will never get there..The Baltimore fans waited and turned out great for them..Good things come for those who wait...Being a Louisville Man We think y’all got steal of a Deal with That Qb nobody wanted...He will get better and Johnny U Played for too? The Ville Baby!
My dad died as well,RIP to your dad & mine
The 81 Colts were the most dysfunctional team I've ever seen. They had a game against the Eagles where Irsay took over the play calling with the Colts down 31-6. Since he didn't know the playbook, he would talk to whichever QB (Bert Jones or Greg Landry) was on the sideline before each play, and so it went with the two QB's alternating each play until they had driven the length of the field for a TD!
You should read the 1986 SI article titled "Now you see him, now you don't." Check the SI vault.
@@NJGuy1973 Thanks. That's an interesting read on the man. Hopefully, he changed his ways in his final years. I remember he had the stroke during the Colts' amazing 1995 season.
Now that is truly the definition of someone who was willing to do anything to be traded. Kush was a tough coach to play for, I remember him well...but Carr did just about everything imaginable to make that trade happen. Great job reporting on this story
Kush had at Arizona State famously grabbed a player by the facemask leading to his being fired from there. That in turn I believe was the actual reason John Elway forced the trade to Denver because he SPECIFICALLY did not want to play for Kush.
What the Baltimore Colts did from 1978 to 1984 was absolutely crazy!
Irsay was a drunken narcissist. He had a great nucleus in 78 and never intended to pay anyone to keep them around. He talked about how shitty memorial stadium was and he was right but the fans knew he was a phony and when Elway told him to F off his days in Baltimore where over. His sons not much better only he prefers coke to gin.
No, it not crazy. Its called tanking so the NFL will help you move the team. That way the original team from the area can dominate. Im from Baltimore. This was a Irsay, Rozelle, and NFL hit job. The fough with Al Davis but never fought to keep The Colts or in Baltimore or said a word to Irsay.
I was a Baltimore Colts season ticket holder from 1977 till they left……Rosenbloom had an ace up his sleeve and used it……there was much underhanded manipulation going on behind the scenes…..
Amazing 1976 season. 25.9 yds per reception and that doesn’t include a 90 yd reception called back because of a penalty. He was never totally healthy in 1977 and it completely changed the Colts passing game. His qb Bert Jones is probably the best qb not in the hof. He doesn’t deserve to be because injuries destroyed his career but at his best he was as good as any qb in football.
That stat line is absolutely eye pooping even by today's standards. To almost have over 1200yds on less than 45 catches is ridiculous.
Jones to Carr 1976 wish they'd have beat the Steelers
@@MrSnidleywhiplash That 76 steelers team is probably the greatest team not to make the sb. 10 dominate wins in a row but franco and rocky got hurt in the colts game dooming them against Oakland. That was by far the greatest run by a defense in nfl history after a terrible 1-4 start.
@@ronsmac Yeah Steelers were awesome 72 thru 79
Agreed😃
Well I guess Carr was right about Schlichter not learning the NFL ropes until he was ready to retire, given that it's 40 years later and Schlichter never caught on.
This channel just keeps getting better...I really miss the old NFL without cartoons of every player that scores a touchdown, endless penalties for breathing on those precious, overpaid QB's and receivers, and rules that suck the fun out of the game at every turn.
This is probably the earliest I've ever been to a JG9 video.
a tremendous receiver and athlete who played with who I still believe to be one of the best QB templates of all time, Bert Jones (Mike Vick’s playing reminded me much of Bert Jones). Glad to have seen Carr and the other greats play football
Jimmy Orr was an underrated receiver for his era.
Jimmy Orr, Raymond Berry, John Mackey, Lenny Moore, Johnny Unitas. One of the greatest offensive teams ever. Orr was a pro bowler in Pittsburgh before coming to Baltimore. Didn’t have blazing speed but knew how to get open
Roger Carr and John Wilbur had by far the biggest ears of any athletes in the history of pro sports.
I normally lack sympathy for players trying to tantrum their way out of a city, but this was SO over the top that you almost have to respect it.
And maybe it didn't help his career in the end, but the Colts were no garden spot after he left either.
1982- gambling enthusiast Schlichter can't even win the starting job.
1983- Schlichter gets suspended, Elway won't play, gets traded away.
1984- Indy here we come!
Talk about a lose - lose situation.
Edit: reminds be of Derek Bell's "operation shutdown" to try to leave the Pirates.
Irsay was a alcoholic
@@dwightlove3704 Irsay wasn't an alcoholic. He was a drunk!
Roger Carr was always open deep and good luck catching him
These VIDEOS ARE WAY BETTER than SPIKING the BALL into the ground on EVERY single OFFENSIVE play!!!!!
Agreed
I learned the word "asinine" thanks to Roger Carr and his exit from Baltimore. Btw, it's pronounced shleyster, not shlyster.
Yep, Art Schlister (Shlee-stir). He threw away a career because he was addicted to gambling.
Coach Carr coached me in High School at St Fred’s in Monroe, LA. He always kept that uplifting spirit. These clips are golden…. Esp the now-illegal goal post dunk.
This was a fun video!
Bert Jones favorite receiver Roger Carr, lead the league in receiving in 1976.
Louisiana Lighting #81 Roger Carr
Bill Simmons said about Vince Carter that his wish was a player with that attitude would be a healthy scratch every game. Other than what the Buccaneers did with Keyshawn Johnson and the Eagles did with Terrell Owens I can’t think of another team doing so…
Except this unofficial Official Jaguar Gator 9 historian remembers you making a video about the Patriots suspending Carl Garrett indefinitely in 1972, only for the NFL to order it rescinded.
Shooting neighbors dog. Class act
Challenging the mayor to a fight 😳 and threatening two other people makes me think Carr was doing some serious Kush.
Bert Jones to Roger Carr was a deadly combination on the Electronic Football Field.
I didn't remember Roger carr in Seattle all I remember was Largent Largent Largent Zorn to Largent.
I remember him but end of his career, and was gone. That also was the end of Jack Patera, ugh. That said I was at Husky Stadium when Frank Kush punched his punter. That guy was a classic hamfist coach. Just one of the many ways Irsay killed the Colts. Was it a year later when Elway, said no way? Say what you want about horse face, smart move.
@@doncheechako8084 frank cush was a real tool for sure but I must ask you this why do Seattle teams always have to wear such shitty colors the crackens the new NHL team also has a puke color scheme.
Thank you for your videos! Especially the ones on the Baltimore Colts.
The guys with fast twitch muscles seem to be the biggest head cases.
Great video, I’d like to see you make a playlist sorted by team.
1. While Roger Carr got suspended in practice twice, one lions player got suspended mid game.
2. The Vikings once drafted a player that begged Minnesota to not draft him.
I think he covered the second, Darren Nelson right?
@@ALTAIR2 almost always talk about things Official JAguar Gator 9 has made a video about, and If not I preface it with "not a video made by Official Jaguar Gator 9."
That's nothing new. Elway told the Colts not to draft him and Eli Manning told the Chargers not to draft him.
Ownership can make or break a football team. Irsay may have been the worst owner ever. He took a storied franchise and ran it into the ground. The closest example today is what Dan Snyder has done to the Washington Redskins.
Here’s something interesting: the Seahawks got the 5th seed based on strength of victory against the Cowboys in 2003. Just thought I’d share that. I was looking at 10-6 teams who missed the playoffs and couldn’t believe what I saw.
The Miami Dolphins of 2020 certainly are acutely aware of that pain, frustration of going 10-6 and having arguably the franchise's best season, record-wise, in almost 5 years and they get locked out of the playoffs when they lost their Week 17 away game to Buffalo.
Roger Carr is presently a Baptist Minister👍
im a 70 yo life long colts fan i can remember manager joe thomas disassembled a colts team that most thought had some really good players
"Carr knew everything about Kush" PHRASING
Hell yeah! Made me spit up my coffee 😂! Best fu¢kin 1-liner (comment) I've seen in a long while! I needed the laugh! Thanks!
@@DolFan316 - are you familiar with the show, Archer?...
@@epholson97 No. I heard it was just another one of those modern cartoons that's obscene for obscenity's sake, and that was enough to make me not want to watch it.
@@DolFan316 - well that's where that 1st comment comes from. Obviously I don't know you but I'd suggest to anyone that they should watch it to judge for themselves. Although it does have some "obscenities" here & there (as most adult themed animated series do) it's definitely not 1 of the more "obscene" shows that exist. I for 1 like to make my own judgements.
He was stone cold before Austin ever was
39 Years Ago
My wife went to HS with him. Heard he was a 9.2 hundred guy... super talent, but had some crappy coaches slong the way. Sad how many young talented guys, get mis- handled by psycho coaches and or owners !
The era of the bomb will always be crazy to me. 25 yd per reception average? LOL wtf
Why didn't Carr just park in the coach's spot?
I remember those days.....hey, if you think Dan Snyder is a bad owner.....Robert Irsay was far worse.....you cannot blame Carr or any player for wanting out of Baltimore back then.
Ugh… this was when I fell in love with football
The funny thing was after all that schenagins he was still the Colts leading receiver in 1980 and 2nd in 1981.
Any plans to do a video on Pat Tilley or Roy Green?
When the Colts won Super Bowl V, Carroll Rosenbloom was still the owner. After he traded the Colts to Irsay for the Rams; he asked to borrow the Lombardi Trophy to show off to friends at a party. He never returned the trophy. Irsay had to commission a new trophy so the Colts had one.
Carroll was a crook. He hung with organized crime. He would sell his own mother or son for a buck. A very bad man trust me.
@@sammyvh11 He swam for exercise, but only in a pool. He drowned in the ocean off his Florida home. Hmmmm...
@@tygrkhat4087 he was rubbed out
@@sammyvh11 I wouldn't argue that. I don't seem to remember much investigation to his death.
Joe Thomas being fired as GM in January of 1977 was the beginning of the end. Thomas had a huge ego and he had the personality of a fig, but he knew talent, and more importantly, he was able to keep Bob Irsay largely at arms length from the team. Once that buffer was gone, Irsay's meddling became more and more heavy-handed and everything he touched turned to manure.
I take it their first round pick the following year who clearly didn't want to play for the Colts didn't have a crazier exit? I wonder what happened to that guy and how his career turned out. Heard he got traded to the Broncos or something.
Roger Carr was the man. Im from Baltimore and I remember those days. Robert Irsay was the worst. Irsay destroyed the team and players reputation so he could move the team. The team kept changing coaching and getting rid of good players. It's Called tanking. Carr had not problem with Baltimore, just the mediocre coaching and disfuntional ownership.The biggest reason Baltimore lost the Colts deal was because the NFL helped Irsay to tank so he could move the team. THE ULTIMATE TANK JOB IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL!
Great video. By the way, it's Art SHLEE-STER.
Carr and Doughty were great targets for Jones.
8:52 is what the nfl is afraid of and trust me they are fighting to keep, but it will get harder as the years go by i guarantee it.
This was the same Colts team that then saw John Elway after the 1983 draft forced a trade to the Broncos because as I remember he didn't want to play for then-Head Coach Frank Kush because of Kush's antics when he was at Arizona State that included grabbing a player by the facemask.
Roger Carr was above average at best. He had 1 good season and a couple of decent seasons.
@@DolFan316speaking as a Cardinal fan I would rank him up there with an Ernie Jones or a Jaron Brown with a more recent comparison. Serviceable receiver but who's a dime a dozen.
Carr was injured in '77, then Bert Jones was injured most of '78 and '79. When both were healthy again in '80, Carr had 61 rec and over 900 yds.
Can't blame him for wanting to get away from Irsay the drunk.
No wonder the Colts went 0-8-1 that season. Their best player didn’t want anything to do with them anymore and the rest of their players were shit.
Somehow though they won 7 games in '83 (without anybody really noticing or caring) before going right back to sucking the next 3 seasons.
Do a video on the Music City Miracle
All the players should have pooled their money together and bought the team.
There was local money interested in buying the team. But the Irsays had no intentions of it.
@@sammyvh11 the players wouldn't have had the money anyway i was just merely throwing that out there.
How in hell does this channel only have 20K subscribers? Great content, keep them coming!
This guy sounds like Brian Gumbel.
Roger carr was a beast he was another Fred Beletnikoff maybe potentially better.
Much faster and no stickum
@@sammyvh11 oh yea you betcha.
Aww it's jags.
They were young and fun with Bert Jones Lydell Mitchell And Joe Washington But it seem the ownership was a drunk.. Who was dysfunctional
Misfit of personalities; I saw him when I was high school Wr . Was a college bowl game , 1973 he looked good , noticed he wiped his white shoes after every series .
Now with coach like Kush ( hard ass from AZ State ) see the contrast ?
They should signed me out UC Davis .
My QBs got drafted , played many years and another receiver went to Raiders.
Wasn’t quite as big and fast : but nobody could cover me , caught everything and head on straight .
Fuck the NFL
indyNOPLACE had a WR who dumped a soda onto the head of Frank Kush, then he was cut. Google Holden Smith.
I gave up the NFL when the Colts left Baltimore. There's a special place in hell occupied by Robert Irsay.
Carr was outstanding. The Colts had a great team but Irsay family is horrible. They ruined one of the best QBs in the league.
I wanted to find out if this channel has a contact email. I had a really good idea for a video.
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Before I checked out the best receivers in 1976 on line, I thought to myself who were the best. I came up with issac Curtis and cliff branch as really good receivers that year. So I looked up the stats online. roger Carr and cliff branch had almost the same stats. Branch was statistically the best receiver . Issac Curtis was good in1976, but not elite player. Sammy white was another top receiver that year. But in the end, cliff branch and drew Pearson were the 1976 all-pros.
Roger Carr was also being unfair to his teammates and fans.
Shooting a dog is only a $55 fine?
It's Art SCHLEE-ster, not SCHLY-ster
Wanna bet?
Ask Art
Art was a gamble but I'd wager if he'd tried harder he could have beat the odds but it's all just a roll of the dice and he came up snake eyes.
@@kyle1910that just flew right over your head didn't it.
Actually no it didn't
I was on Carr's side until he shot the dog.
Dude was probably on drugs.
Kush was the main reason Elway did not want to play for the Colts. Players HATED Kush.
It's a shame -- he could have been one of the greatest white receivers of all time.
His 1976 season performance indicated that he was destined for greatness. When he got injured, he never played up to the same level that he did in '76.
That he WAS.....a white guy with speed.
No wonder John Elway wanted no parts of the Colts.
How lame does a coach have to be to be known as "Kick 'Em In The Tush" Frank Kush? Yes people thought that was a good nickname! Yikes!
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Burt Jones made a racist comment toward a black teammate i don't remember if it was that same year.
He never said a racist comment, what happened is that running back Curtis Dickey (a very high draft pick) was taking plays off, and on one play, Dickey refused to block a linebacker who leveled Jones. Jones got up off the ground and spiked the ball in anger and yelled at him for not blocking. Joe Washington (a black running back who was on the team at that time, said that Jones was not and never said a racist thing during his many years in Baltimore).
@@tonyfederici1961maybe it was just a wild rumor that grew legs you know kind of what CNN does but I did hear this from somewhere.
@@karlcooper8460 I was a Colts season ticket holder from 1971 until they left in early 1984. I was at the game where Curtis Dickey left Bert Jones out to dry and get killed (as Curtis was a fast player, a track star, but his football IQ was not the best). Jones was killed on the play and when he got up he spiked the ball as he was upset. Did he or did he not say something (who really knows, as the fellow Colts players, all to a man, include Dickey said after the game he did not, he just yelled and said something to the effect, “f*** just do something, instead of watching me get killed, either block the guy or go out for a pass, just don’t stand there and do nothing”. Joe Washington (a black player who was on the field during this play, on many Occasions said he never heard Bert every say anything racist, and he was friends to everybody,). I am sure as years go by, the story gets blown out of proportion, but the day it happened, the story was, what the F is Curtis Dickey doing just standing there and not doing anything on the play and leaving his quarterback high and dry to get killed. Overtime people forget the play, and just remember Bert Jones spiking the ball and yelling, and as the year goes by, the yelling turn into racist comments. During the 60s 70s and 80s, they had something called the Colts corral. During the week Colts players would go out and meet the fans and have dinner or barbecues or whatever with them. This is why the fans love the Colts because they were real people. On many other occasions, I will be at the Colts corrals, and there was no talk, evidence or anything involving racial tension when the white Colts players were with the black Colts players, at these gatherings (Bert and Curtis were at these gatherings and they would be together having fun like two friends).
@@tonyfederici1961 wow I dig history especially talking to somebody that was a part of it thanks for the history lesson on a once storied franchise.
@@karlcooper8460 many thanks for the kind words. It broken many hearts (mine included, when Bob Irsey destroyed the club and then the club left town).
liked Roger Carr for almost 50 years, now that I find out he shot a dog, screw him!