The STRANGEST Trade in Indianapolis Colts HISTORY | Mike Pagel (1986 Colts)
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2021
- Before the start of the 1986 NFL season, the Indianapolis Colts wanted to trade quarterback Mike Pagel so badly that they let him organize a workout with another team, the Cleveland Browns, while he was still technically under contract with Indy. This is the story behind the bizarre trade, and how everything played out in the end
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Members of the 1986 Colts:
Rohn Stark
Dean Biasucci
Blair Kiel
Gary Hogeboom
Jack Trudeau
Albert Bentley
John Holt
Kenny Daniel
Nesby Glasgow
Preston Davis
Mike Lush
Dwight Hicks
Hubie Oliver
Leonard Coleman
Randy McMillan
George Wonsley
Tate Randle
Eugene Daniel
Victor Jackson
Pat Ballage
Owen Gill
Tommy Sims
Dextor Clinkscale
Duane Bickett
Ray Donaldson
Barry Krauss
Lamonte Hunley
Dave Ahrens
Glen Redd
Orlando Lowry
Mark Kirchner
Ben Utt
Ron Solt
Roger Caron
Willie Broughton
Kevin Call
Karl Baldischwiler
Bob Brotzki
Chris Hinton
Jon Hand
Harvey Armstrong
Bill Brooks
Pat Beach
Tim Sherwin
Greg LaFleur
Mark Boyer
Matt Bouza
Oliver Williams
Walter Murray
James Harbour
Wayne Capers
Robbie Martin
John Haines
Jeff Leiding
Cliff Odom
Scott Kellar
Johnie Cooks
Donnell Thompson
Rod Dowhower (coach)
Ron Meyer (interim coach)
Robert Irsay (owner)
Jim Irsay (general manager) 
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Wow--That's quite a story. Talk about knowing you're not wanted. That's one strange trade for sure. I remember Pagel but not this part of his story. Great job laying out the context and the end result.
Pagel going to watch his former team struggle on his off day is a mythical level of petty. Get that man into Canton. 👑
Holy shit, every video I watch of this dude is a flawless, extremely entertaining and well edited video, this dude needs a few more million subs bases of the quality of his videos
Ah, Gary Hogeboom. One of my Cards' 2,543 QB's between Neil Lomax and Jake Plummer.
Fun Fact: Mike Pagel is not the first member of his family to play for a Cleveland-based team. His older brother Karl played off and on for the Cleveland Indians from 1981-83.
Mike and Karl graduated from Washington High here in Phoenix which use to be rivals with my high school, Sunnyslope!
At the 10:28 mark, you made a error: Hogeboom was NOT out for the entire season. He played the last three games (the Colts were 0-13, then fired the HC and hired Ron Meyer), all WINS. This is why they were not in position to draft Vinny Testaverde. Details are important.
The GM wanted to tank the season, but Meyer insisted that Hogeboom be allowed to play - apparently he had been healthy enough for several weeks.
And BTW, Hogeboom would have been really good for the Colts had he not had his shoulder REALLY destroyed the next season.
Pagel's finest moment as a Colt came courtesy of a freaky play. In week 8 of the 1984 season, Indianapolis was down 16-10 against the host Steelers with less than a minute to go. The official box score simply says it was a 54-yard pass from Pagel to WR Ray Butler, but it wasn't that simple. Pagel threw a pass that should have been picked off by Pittsburgh CB Sam Washington. But Washington bobbled it up in the air, and Butler snatched it and ran for what would be an improbable winning touchdown. Given the quality of his play--over his four years with the Colts, he completed just over half his passes and threw more interceptions than touchdowns--it was hard to imagine that he'd someday take part in an Alcoa Fantastic Finish.
That is the game that made me a Colts fan. I had never bothered with sports before, but it seemed so exciting on the news with Ray catching that tipped pass. Started watching the next week and I never stopped. True story.
2:26
Washington did the same thing in 94 taking Heath Schuler in the 1st round and Gus Frerotte in the 7th.
Art Schliester gambled his way out of the NFL and now plays QB in Terrre Haute Federal Pen.
1. The Colts started off the 1986 season 0-13. They then won their final three games, costing them a shot at Vinny Testaverde. As I recall Gary Hogeboom came back to start those last three games.
2. This unofficial Official Jaguar Gator 9 historian will remind everyone you made another video about Tommy McDonald, who continued to practice with the Rams after being traded to the Falcons.
I'm not sure that Testaverde would've done any better in Indy than he did here in the Tampa Bay Area.
IIRC the Colts fired Rod Dowhower after those 13 losses, and brought in former SMU head coach Ron Meyer. Say what you will about him, but he got results everywhere he went, and getting 3 straight wins out of a winless team is Exhibit A. The very next year, he would be reunited his with his best running back from his SMU days--Eric Dickerson--as the result of a blockbuster 3-team deal that also involved the Rams and Bills.
JaguarGator9-have you done a video on the bizarre hiring of George Allen and then FIRING in summer of 1978? Weeks before the season started?
I forgot to add LA Rams hiring/ then firing
I knew about Pagel cause he's the backup in Tecmo to Kosar, but I never knew the interesting history behind him. Cool!
Excuse me, you mean QB Browns
@@Juneaupuff Lol...yes
I've played with Techmo super bowl. Pagel was a better than Rich Gannon. I'm Vikings fan. I wish I had Pagel over Gannon.
Of course the Colts drafted Elway even though Elway told them not to draft him.
Elway had an out to play baseball. In a parallel universe, Elway did go play with the Yankees and has a plaque in Cooperstown rather than a bust in Canton.
Mike Pagel wasn't even an AVERAGE Quarterback. He SUCKED. He would be BETTER OFF SPIKING THE FOOTBALL INTO THE GROUND ON EVERY SINGLE OFFENSIVE PLAY!!!!
Why is there so much footage of landscaper Gary Hawkins wearing a football uniform?
I wonder if either Randy McMillan or Matt Bouza are going to get videos about them done as well by the end of the month? Perhaps one of them already had one like Chuck Foreman did.
Hogaboom was another backup masquerading as a starter.
35 Years Ago
The Indpls. Colts front office prior to Bill Tobin's hiring was a dumpster fire.
Was frank kush buddies with les steckel and frank ganz? Kind of an abusive a hole coach hall of fame.
I believe one of the reasons Elway didn’t go to the Colts was because Elway and his Dad thought Kush was a D-Bag.
The 80s Baltimore/Indianapolis front office was rather notorious for this kind of cooky stuff. And considering the direction the Colts were heading, leaving Baltimore in the middle of the night, did B-More a favor.
At least Charm City has an NFL club that's much better run. That has to be worth something.
@@marcus813 It is. And it’s good to see that Cleveland seems to be on the right track.
This happened a lot more than is known of...
A lot of trades depended upon (at least sometimes) a player showing up.. working out and doing a physical or in some cases.. a drug test for the team that was interested.
Not sure it happened nowadays but if it does... it might not even be reported... or reported as often.
I thought the Steelers brought in Minkah to give him a workout or a physical before they traded for him... not sure. Could be wrong about that one.
But didn't they also bring Bettis in before they got him?
Just hearing the name Gary Hogeboom makes this old Cowboys fan want to curl up into the fetal position and cry
What's even more bizarre is that one of very best QB's in Colts history and one of the very worst QB's in Colts history both wore #18.
But, the Greatest Colt QB wore #19.
Weren't most of Robert Irsay's deals done under the influence 😅
I remember those drab grey pants the colts used to sport yuk.
Yes someone else notice the Colts early 80's grey pants.
Part of the colts revolving door at qb post bert jones in 80's. Also lost out on elway a few years earlier. Got hermann from pu in that deal. Also had gambling addict schlister from tosu too. And tried to draft everett from pu as well even tho he was already drafted. pagel from asu was there because former asu coach frank kush coached there at one time. They also had the punter/qb blair kiel from nd. And trudeau from illini too.
This leads one to two conclusions: colts likes nearby and big 10 qb's.
And two both irsays running the show were on the bottle a lot when making roster/draft decisions. Two drunken fools.
The 1985 Colts played the Bears TOUGH that season and lost 17-10. Who was that starting QB for the Colts.....Mike Pagel.
They lost that game on a long run up the middle by Walter Payton.
1.The colts almost got Everett, but Official Jaguar Gator 9 made a video about how the 49ers also almost got him.
2. It is important for the colts to get rid of players that don’t want to play for the colts, because in 1982, Roger Carr tried to hurt the colts until he got traded.
They also, almost got John Elway in '83... in fact they drafted him but he threatened to play Baseball so they sent him to Denver.
Bert Jones!!!
Jones could have had a HOF career if not for injuries and the Irsay's. The guy could do it all in his prime.
Betcha the reason Kush didn't want Jones is because Jones wouldn't take his abusive crap.
Worst Major-League team owners since 1960: MLB, Marge Schott, Cincinnati Reds; NFL, Robert Irsay, Balt/Ind Colts; NBA, Donald Sterling, SD/LA Clippers; NHL, Howard Ballard, Toronto Maple Leafs.
Nope. Irsays have a s b title. Try bidwells and fords.
@@stevenbauer4799 Was thinking that myself. At least the older Irsay... isn't involved anymore, shall we say. Bidwells have run a horrible, title-free team for decades.
Also, Schott was a strange and perhaps awful owner. However, the Reds were winners at one time. Every Mariners' owner ever, qualifies as worse than her.
@@eugenedenbrook322 yep. Marge was owner of reds in '90 when they won the w s. Bidwell's can thank kurt warner for that one s b appearance. Horrible owners.
Daniel Snyder has entered the chat.
I do not disagree with the list, but Snyder is an NFL Worst Owner-A.
That's Harold Ballard--although anyone named Howard Ballard couldn't have done worse.
It's weird to see a Colts player wear number 18 before Peyton Manning came to Indianapolis.
Even weirder are those silver pants cots wore for a few seasons in mid 80's.
Art Slit-zer 👍🏾
At the time, I was AMAZED that Pagel was a serviceable backup for the Browns, considering how TERRIBLE he looked during his Colts tenure.
It helps when you have playoff level talent around you. Those Colts teams of the early to mid 80's were pretty much sandlot teams, though amazingly, Kush got them to a 7-9 record his second year. With that talent level, he should have been AFC Coach of the Year.
The funny part is Pagel actually played better for the Colts than he did for the Browns.
I thought free agency back then was better because you could keep a team together longer You have too much movement now.
Frank Kush was an awful coach for Baltimore, but he was a great coach for Denver. Because he is why John Elway refused to play for Baltimore.
Pagel is so highly thought of that the Colts retired his #18!!! Not bad👍🤫
😂😂😂
You realize you referred to Pagel as "Peyton" at 2:10. Granted, they both wore #18, but . . .
He would be a real good backup on most teams.
Jack Trudeau wasn't that bad.
Frank Kush the dankest coach in football.
Dude needs tolearn proper pronunciation. He'd have a higher QB rating if all he did was spike the ball on every play.
Mike pagel career...49 td passes. 63 ints. 50.1 comp. %. 9414 passing yds. Started 16 games once as a colt. 3 times as a brown. One season as a ram. He was sacked between 25 and 40 times in four years as a colt. Strangely in four seasons as a brown or ram starter he was sacked just five times, all as a brown in '90 season. Which may lead one to believe the colts had a horrible offensive line even with chris hinton a perrenial pro bowler they got in the elway trade on it. Or he learned to get rid of the ball quicker as a brown. The guy plain and simple SUCKED.
Mike onion Pagel