I'm genuinely confused....how is demisexuality haraam? It kept being mentioned, but demisexuality just means someone needs a strong emotional bond before they have sexual desire. How would that be a bad thing? That actually would make it much much easier to lower your gaze and to refrain from zina.
Yes exactly. As someone who falls very close under the ace spectrum to demisexual, I was very confused too. Honestly I don’t know why she kept suing it but anyway. It’s probably a misunderstanding of the label.
I am going to do some research on this but (as a gut reaction) I think the issue is a) it being a fundamental primary identity, rather than Islam/being Muslim b) perhaps they were referring to those who are prone to developing sexual desires to anyone they can develops strong emotional bonds with, regardless of gender. The speaker could using it in that sense as it doesn’t distinguish from or also exists within a homosexual framework. I think that’s something that’s pretty interesting and beneficial, but none the less, someone shouldn’t let their “guard down” and think they’re immune from making mistakes when it comes to sexual desires and acting on them.
Exactly. I think demisexuality is the right way to be, even Islamically speaking. I wish I get a demisexual husband. Cuz I'm also a demisexual. My ex husband was hyper sexual and lusting after every other woman on the street. He was about to cause a car accident looking at a woman with a big back on the sidewalk. I felt humiliated with such a lustful person. He was so ashamed of me because he loved sticking to young white half naken girls. Demisexuality is the best way to be in terms of sezuality.
14:46 "you mentioned something very important" Proceeds to talk about the psyche and not the real important point that he mentioned "if we hold our desires and don't act upon them Allah will reward us" as a muslim who has feelings for a person of their same sex this is the most comforting thing I ever heard in a very long time. The fact that Allah sees my pain and will reward me for it is very comforting, even if I can't fall in love now if I suppress my love for her hopefully in heaven I will be able to love her or to love someone like her" if Allah says I get rewarded at the end of the long tiring road, as long as I know for sure that there's an end to this road! I will keep going. I will keep fighting
Am proud of you. I pray every Muslim in your circumstance thinks the same. But don't let your mentality decide you can't fall in love. Instead tell your self you can because getting married is completing half your deen. Salams
I am so proud of you!! As a person who fights and wind but fight again i am so happy and over the moon that i am not alone in this fight! I always speculated that people like us could be rewarded in the afterlife by loving whoever we want since wine and all of that stuff wont be sins anymore. There will be some days where you just want to give up and embrace your desires but hold on sister. And id like to remind you that feelings arent a sin but the actions are. So your feelings towards your friend isn’t necessarily a sin but its best to fight it and im glad you took that step!! Sending you my prayers and love from a sister to a sister
i dont want to be a downer or that but in jannah you still cant marry poeple the same sex as you. but dont worry, allah will get that outa your mind . for now u just gotta keep fighing
So what must I do? Marry the girl my parents choose for me? I have no feelings for her. Love or romantic. Make many children with her? What if my son asks me "Dad why don't you love mom?"
@@jahidlm7910 excuse me, what are you talking about? What is your problem? I said to him to battle himself , I never said go and marry ..ready well kid and stop attacking others like that idiot.read well what I have stated and if you can't understand what I meant then, You don't have to comment
it's of course easy for you all to speak about same sex attraction because you are all stright ,next time when you bring this up have at least one gay person
May I also say: fundamentally, straight Muslims should not be concerned with whether non-straight Muslims are acting on their lusts or not. Their respect and kindness towards all people should be irrespective of what they do.
Narrated Ibn Abbas: The Prophet (peace be upon him) cursed effeminate men (those men who are in the similitude (assume the manners of women) and those women who assume the manners of men, and he said, “Turn them out of your houses.” The Prophet (peace be upon him) turned out such-and-such man, and ‘Umar turned out such-and-such woman. Sahih Al-Bukhari - Book 72 Hadith 774 Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: If you find anyone doing as Lot’s people did, kill the one who does it, and the one to whom it is done. Sunan of Abu-Dawood - Book 38 Hadith 4447 Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: If a man who is not married is seized committing sodomy, he will be stoned to death. Sunan of Abu-Dawood - Book 38 Hadith 4448 Narrated AbuSa’id al-Khudri: The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: A man should not look at the private parts of another man, and a woman should not look at the private parts of another woman. A man should not lie with another man without wearing lower garment under one cover; and a woman should not be lie with another woman without wearing lower garment under one cover. Sunan of Abu-Dawood - Book 31 Hadith 4007 Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu’minin: Ibn AbuMulaykah told that when someone remarked to Aisha that a woman was wearing sandals, she replied: The Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) cursed mannish women. Sunan of Abu-Dawood - Book 32 Hadith 4088 Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah: Allah’s Messenger (peace be upon him) said, “The thing I fear most for my people is what Lot’s people did.” Tirmidhi and Ibn Majah transmitted it. Al-Tirmidhi - Hadith 3577
Mohammed K Also if people were realy searching for TRUTH, they would realise that you cant stick a permanent label on something that is changing all the time
I really feel as though a panel of cis het people, they're ill-equipped to deal with this very complex issue. It's like a panel of male medical professionals doing a talk show focussing on women's reproductive rights, while it's obliquely kinda within their field, they're not the community being discussed so they shouldn't be discussing it. If they wanted to be reasonable and respectful in this discussion, there should have been equal or greater representation from LGBTQIA+ panellists.
We are so much more than a label so true!! On judgement day we are judged alone! Doesn't matter what everyone else said or did only Allah knows our true intentions and he is merciful subhanallah
@@George-iv1hi I would recommend watching another video, that starts at the very beginning when Allah created the universe and Adam. Hope this helps JazakAllahu khayran
@@starcherry6814And I recommend you to start decent education. Allah did not create anything - that is all fairy tale for stupid children. Are you still a child?
I’ve never had same sex adultery or any adultery at all. But I’m getting, stuck day by day, and it’s a helpless situation, no one can understand. No one can understand why you can’t sustain friendships because you are afraid people would notice you’ve always been single. No one can understand how tough it is to see everyone you’ve grown up with finding love, getting married and having children. Absolutely no one can understand how torn you can be when you can’t give any answer to your kind parents who ask you who’s “the lucky one”. And I think that no one has the right to judge because no one is as humiliated as we are.
You made me cry when you mentioned about how parents ask "who is the lucky one?". I can resist the other things but making my Mother cry and sad i can't even start to comprehend.
I’m assuming you’re a Muslim. This is a very hard test from Allah, but truly, for you is a great reward. He knows your pain and He knows you’re resisting. Keep it up and don’t let your desires deceive you (“love is love, live life to your fullest”).
So basically this entire video breaks down into "Islam says you can want to love someone of the same sex, but you should NEVER, EVER actually love them. Instead pretend to be something you are not, for your entire life and in this way you will go to heaven" Got it.
@@mrrocket8467 I never understand people who feel the need to insult others. Does it make you feel better to be rude? Also if I did "understand it wrong" (I believe the word you're looking for is "misunderstand" but hey even microscopic brains sometimes have a grasp of basic vocabulary) why don't you use this as a teaching opportunity to help the intellectually challenged amongst us better grasp the concepts. I'm fairly sure I understood the content of this debate. If you have an argument to make, make it instead of throwing insults.
@@openiamind828 Look snowflake just because i said u have a microscopic brain doesnt mean u have to make it a big deal And u Dont Gotta flex ur vocab at least flex something good
Coz Islam is hypocrite......allah made gays with them having feelings for same sex people and then in book tell them that performing same sex activities or loving same sex as yours is sin. Bro learn this today or tomorrow.....Qur'an is shit for most part of it. Get out of islamic nations and live your life and express yourself,your love for you same sex partner or opposite sex whomsoever. Life is short don't get caught up in religious shit. Love your loved ones and go out and chase your dreams
@@greymind0072 It is true that same-sex activities are a sin but homosexuality is not. Did you know in Islam anal sex is haram, it is said that if a husband asks their wife to do it or tried to force her, that is a legit reason to ask for a divorce. Marriage is a way of you know allowing halal intimacy with the other partner. for this reason, a man and a man marrying is not allowed. Just because you feel the attraction to the same gender is not a sin. What we consider sin is you acting upon that desire and doing those haram same-sex activities. there are Muslim brothers and sisters who have such feelings, just because they have them does not mean they are not Muslims. what makes you one of the nonbelievers is that you trying to normalize such acts, by saying Allah made me this way so how is it a sin. Even if you do such acts and know what you did is a sin, tried to overcome those feelings but still fell into temptation, no one can say you are not part of Islam. all humans do sins. if because of one sin you never go to heaven I guess we all are going to hell. repentance is what allows you to go to heaven. we can only go to heaven because of Allah's mercy. Muslims who despise and shame Muslims who are homosexual, have no right to say such stuff. those who overcome that desire will surely be rewarded, those who tried to overcome it and failed but continued to repent will also be rewarded. however, those who are transgressors who try to normalize such behaviours will be punished. this temporary world is a test you need to pass. homosexuality is one of those tests, those who fail it are only hypocrites who try to not admit the sins and normalize the acts. not those who do the sin but still know what they are doing is a sin. brother/sister stop insulting our religion if you don't even know the reason. you can leave the religion if you want but mockery is not acceptable. have a good day.
Meaning what exactly? Heterosexuals is about having desires for the "opposite sex" (it's actually gender and there are more than 2 so not opposite) at all. Whether you control them or not is another thing. Also it's easy for heterosexual people to talk about uncontrol when they can marry young and no longer need to control. Meanwhile same-sex marriages are usually not even allowed in Islam. No God would as people to suffer their whole lives and Allah doesn't ask humans to remain virgin monks/nuns their whole lives.
Why shouldn't we act on the attraction? Why is everything always centered around heterosexuality? Why suppress what is natural to us? Should we just suppress our sexuality and live without love, companionship etc. Marriage is nothing but a business transaction to continue populating an already overpopulated world. Let people live, there's so many heterosexual people out there that there will never be a lack of procreation. Homosexuality isn't a struggle for someone who is homosexual. It's a struggle to live as society beliefs they should live.
Shame on you. Homosexual attraction is wrong just like pedophilia attraction to children is wrong. Just because you have an urge, doesn't make it right.
@@openiamind828 Around the same age of consent in Japan , also the similar age of Mary women had Jesus , in Jewish law even girls take bat mitzvah around 12 and 13, not the age propagated hope that helps
@@openiamind828 Hadith lowered age cos she was already promised to another man , don’t go with Hadith go with Quran, Puberty came at different ages, not co-signing even that ages but Jews did same and Christians they were not of our times
@@deuteronomy6411 Hey thanks for your polite and thoughtful reply. I suppose for me your argument boils down to: A: It was a different time B: Others did it too. But for me for a man to have been perfect and whom we should emulate, his actions need to be perfect for all time and irrespective of what others were doing. Was Mohammed perfect or was he not? It was OK then but it isn't now? It was OK because others did it? These conversations are fascinating to me, they're important. btw I love engaging with trolls (not saying you are one of course) it matters to me that others will read this comment (before it is deleted, hope it's not)
I recently found out I'm attracted to the same gender... I feel so sad, emotional unstable, and discouraged now... this video made me feel better tho, I must stay strong and true to my religion (islam) I hope Allah guides me and helps me
The video conference, the image itself is teaching or enlightening me that homosexuality is rights infringe of the opposite sex .i.e. As a man homosexuality is infringing the woman right to have a marriage and As a woman homosexuality is infringing the man right to marriage. If you have desires there is someone who will enjoy to have you as their life partner since he/she is from the opposite sex. So the image taught me that, unmarried women is plenty and men unmarried is plenty. So in conclusion marry more women if you are a man and a woman should encourage her husband to save other women from homosexuality by adding more wives
May Allah guide you and preserve you and keep you steadfast. The prophet peace be upon him said: he who leaves something for Allah, Allah gives him something better. Try to kill those thoughts if u can ; I would give advice but you know yourself best and what u like about same-sex
There is nothing wrong with you you are loved and you are just as equal as any Muslim read Quran only don’t listen or believe what you r told. Read Quran and you will see that this is all lie you can be Muslim and you can be Gay
Although I (as an atheist) don't agree there is something wrong with acting upon one's "homosexual feelings", I love that all of the speakers were very open minded and not judging at all. Very interesting and non-threatenning conversation. Only thing that was missing is an actual homosexual on the panel. But I understand that with all straight people this discussion might be more engaging for some conservative people.
well i strongly disagree with you just because they’re talking in a non threatening way doesn’t mean they’re not being judgmental because they are they are full of hatred even if they are talking calmly everything they said was judge mental and hateful if they want to be compassionate they wouldn’t be telling gay people to try and just ignore it
they are saying same sex marriage is sin, whereas straight people are happily marrying each other and living their life. just because they are smiling doesn't mean they are correct. No matter how much they praise their religion they always get the thing that matter wrong.
@hitler the third I can guarantee that many people hide in fear, simply because some humans are not able to comprehend basic facts. Gay people exist. Get over it.
@@aliay2743 and there are millions of same sex couples enjoying very loving relationships. In fact, now that gay marriage is legal in many countries, studies have shown they last longer and are more harmonious than mixed marriages.
It's the best smile and it reminds me of the hadith that says something to the effect that we should approach one another with a smile and that it is a sadaqah. The world sometimes can be very harsh when you carry a smile and it wants to take it away, this sisters infectious smile makes one want to not care about the few and to smile because of the way hers makes o e feel. It's nice to see smiling faces, it feels loving and we are all in need of more love in the world today
@@xhunterx1452 come on, open up your eyes. I myself experienced that. Since i was kid i knew i was different, like the girl stuff ect. And started to like boys in the following years. It's not something you can choose. God made me this way. That's it.
@@cesarsatriyo4655 no God didn't made you this way if God did he wouldn't forbid it If you're a believer don't forget there is Satan out their to make you desire what is forbidden It's up to you whether to give in or not but don't make it something it's not And if you don't believe I don't think well that's up to you My English is not good so sorry for that
Why are religions so obsessed with other people's sexuality. Also, homosexuality isn't about the "action" or a "desire", it's about being able to LOVE someone of the same sex and having the ability to be with that person, in public, to build up a life together, just like anyone else. I'm a born atheist gay man and I don't think I should go around and have sex with people, at the end of the day I want a stable life with the person I love. The fact certain LGBTQ+ people make such a big deal of their sexuality is as a response to people, often religious people, who discriminate against us for who we are, or in religious terms (I'm not religious, but here I go) how God made us. Many countries around the world still criminalise homosexuality and many more give no opportunity to register as a couple, which makes it difficult, if not impossible, to have a life, to be registered on the same address and what not. The idea that love (and all that comes with it) between two consenting adults is wrong according to certain religions tells me that certain religious, or certain religious sects, or certain religious individuals are a lot of things, but accepting and caring and non-judgemental they are not. How this topic is handled within certain communities is so offensive and also quite wrong. Do y'all not know that the suicide rate amongst LGBTQ+ youth is WAY higher than with non-LGBTQ+ youth? Largely because of this reasoning and that's just so painful. Getting "rewarded" for surpressing natural feelings, which often leads to depression, self harm or even suicide. This is so wrong and so harmful. We should live in a world where we can all accept others for who they are. My deal is, as long as you respect me and uphold the law of the country (I'm Dutch, so any type of discrimination is forbidden), I will do the same to you. If not, that's the line and I don't see why I should associate myself with bigoted people.
There are so many wrong things you've written here that it's absolutely near impossible to have a discussion. To understand and tackle this issue from an Islamic perspective, you NEED to first understand the fundamental principles before going discussing issues. Just to give you an example, imagine that we, as a society, found out that by a allowing a certain action, consequences of that action are delayed to one or two generations down the line? Now. Would you still prioritize individual liberty? In selfish societies like yours, individuals are all that matters. So, that what you guys chose.
I worry for the well being of people who have same-sex attraction and are just told to "pray for the urges to go away" and never act upon them. I think most of those who try to go that path will suffer a lot mentally.
It would have been interesting if LGBTQ Muslims ( they do exist) were included in the panel. It would feel less like talking about and more like talking with each other.Would have added to the discussion
@@raiden4239 yet we exist.no denying that.. to your point why bother having conversations? Going simply from your standpoint doesn't take the conversation very far.i do understand people just seeking to listen to people regurgitate what they already think rather than learn different and valid perspectives
@@e.m.6757 There's no point in learning the different perspective if i know it's forbidden. Pork is forbidden in islam, if i just go and watch these people eating pork i might end up thinking it's fine and it's okay. WHICH ISN'T islam forbids it, what kinda muslim would i be if i openly deny God's orders and talk openly about it.
@@raiden4239 it's the popular interpretation it seems, but there also seems to be Muslims who view their relationship with Islam and Allah a bit different. You thinking or knowing that they are forbidden doesn't and hasn't stopped them from existing or identifying as LGBTQ+ Muslims
33:27 that a very critical points to all the ammams while giving khotba to be more considerate and compassionate towards the crowd cuz you never know who is listening and would be affected by your words
I’m concerned about the mental health of gay people when everyone just seems to shut the door on their faces and when the ones who supposed to relief their pain start saying stuff like you’re gonna go through this for the rest of your life which is very unbearable I mean we don’t really know what we are capable of but common saying to someone that you’re not allowed to love or be loved not allowed to have sex which is very nature thing is insane and the worst thing is that we have to hear it from the ones who haven’t experienced something so dramatic like that but I’m just fed up
@@gloryjudgement7563 No it cannot. You cannot find a single, repeatable method that is tried and test that will reliably change a person's sexuality. It is a complete fallacy commonly made by the uneducated/non-experienced.
I appreciate what all the speakers are trying to do and say, but all the analogies and easy phrases 'your sexuality is not your identity', 'your feelings are not your identity' are so simplistic and to me, a gay person, pretty insulting, (though I'm sure you don't mean it to be). I think you should not sugar coat things. Admit it's a tragedy for a Muslim teenager to discover he or she is gay. Their lives are going to involve a lot of emptiness and suffering. And that's that. I appreciate your attempt to be humane, - but given the scripture you accept as true, - and I have no criticism for that, you are all honest believers, - I don't see any place for people like me in your community, (which is fine). Call it what it is. Hating the 'action' but not hating the person is easy for you to do, or think you are doing. For someone is gay, whose sexuality is far more integrated into their entire personality than you want to believe, - it is all received as rejection, - which it is. Blessings for what you are trying to do.
Exactly. It's like- no its not just "dealing with same sex attraction". Gay men and women are definitionally not attracted to the opposite sex and never will be. If this is the case, what are the solutions which exist within the faith? A- feign heterosexuality by marrying a person you may love but will never truly be attracted to, or B- remain celibate. Neither of these are sustainable options if you ask me. Being gay is more of an "identity" than being straight because being straight is perceived as the norm, just part of human nature. It is just taken for granted as the backdrop of life, but for gay people who cannot exist effortlessly, their sexual orientation becomes central to their lives, and thus part of their identity. I wish they actually had gay folks on stage to talk with. All of these talks on Islam and homosexuality are just straight people saying what they think being gay is and feels like. Anyways like you said - they musnt abandon empathy but they should be honest- there is currently no way of reconciling homosexuality with the faith and all of the solutions which operate in the current paradigm are only known to increase suffering (sham marriage, conversion therapy, and not so voluntary celibacy). This is coming from a straight female convert.
@@GrayzoneGab Thank you for your comment - I am a gay Muslim and I am glad there are understanding Muslims like you. These straight scholars and speakers should really speak with a real gay Muslim - it will be much more interesting and they will know the realities and struggles of an LGBT Muslim.
It is the duty of muslims to enjoin each other in good and forbid from evil [quran 3:104]. Jews had the same responsibility but they stopped doing that and fell from grace. Allah cursed them for neglecting this [quran 5:78]. If we also dont forbid people from evil our end would be the same. May Allah save us from his anger and from doing what brings His curse and wrath on us. May Allah keep us steadfast on the true teachings of Islam so that we can always vehemently oppose lgbt and all evils like it and not make compromise with wrongdoers or mince our words in opposing the evil. Ameen
@@worfoz"Although the widely-cited hadith states that Aisha was nine years old when her marriage to the Prophet (upon him be peace) was consummated, this is contradicted by strong historical evidence. Tabari, the famous historian and hadith expert, states that Aisha was born at least fifteen years before the marriage was consummated" hameem.org/2019/02/11/proof-that-aisha-was-over-15-years-old-when-she-married-the-prophet-peace-be-upon-him/ All the bs your talking about doesn't matter. We as muslims know much better then you lgbt and will stay away from satans whispering. Just because you see your disgusting filthy stuff as "normal" doesn't mean we share the same opinion.
Israel fell because of people who dont be and let be.Now it's used as a proof to doing cruelity and keeping power over people who know people are all a mix of feminine and masculine and sometimes that mix is the body is one way and attraction an other.
But we are not to forget that our prophet SWA said that near the end times there will be many of us..but we will be like the froth upon the sea.When we see that these issues are increasing in our societies in the Ummah,Then we are lacking in something somewhere.We need to give it OUR ALL in firmness and sticking to the Quraan and Sunnah without feeling the need to be apologetic.
Homosexuality is not a sin, but the panel thinks it is. As much as heterosexually is normal, homosexuality is also natural. In the animal-kingdom homosexuality is also present. There is nothing wrong with same-sex if it's between two consenting adult persons.
It's easy for these people to dismiss sexuality as just a label. I'm sure there are a lot Muslim men and women who suffer in silence because they're afraid of coming out.
Hello, I'm a Muslim and I've recently found out that I'm into the same gender.. it's hard for me but I'm not going to let that push me away from islam, yes ik it's going to be hard but I honestly agreed with what these scholars are saying because Allah is kind, he will make it easier for me and others who are going through the same thing (inshalla) so we must stay strong
@@Thatonejoestar you get one life, religion is for people , people are not for religion, change is the only constant, I will really advice you to live your life, straight people will marry and fulfill their desires, only homosexuals will remain fighting till they die, for something which is not wrong and almost whole earth has accepted. At the end its your life.
@Panjak Kumar, I don’t know if you are a Muslim or not, but in Islam it is a very very very huge sin to commit adultery, let alone with the same sex. So if you want to commit adultery go ahead, no one is stopping you but everything has it’s own consequences, either in this life time or on the day of judgement:)
At no time did you discuss the construct of love. What if you’re not just working off of urges but you’re working off of love but if you fall in love with somebody of the same sex. What about falling in love
Define what is falling in love ? Falling in love doesn’t sustain a family in islam weve been taught to keep love ,many marriages fail because ppl fell in love and then out of love so it was thats it i dont have feelings by .no ,you dont live like this you should create mercy and love between partners .
@@waymilky442 it is possible. It’s not different from when a straight man marries a woman who he has no feelings towards. Most marriages in Muslim societies are like that, and they end up falling in love, and it has a higher chance to stay longer than marriages that are made because the partners fell in love first, actually most marriages that are because of love end up with divorces.
The problem here is that Muslims can't grasp that God is not a sadist who forbids things on whim so as to punish us. He forbids what is bad for us so that we may be better and happier. Accordingly sins like eating pork, drinking alcohol, homosexuality and even stealing are sinful in differing degrees depending on time and context. It should have been acknowledged in this discussion that homosexuality was a highly anti-social and destructive tendency at the time of the Prophet, enabling men to evade familial responsibilities and thereby threaten the whole fabric of society while today the situation is different. Homosexuality may still be sinful but it is incumbent on commentators like these to say exactly why and to what degree. Their unwillingness to do so reflects a childish notion of God as a tyrannical father who has no interest in nurturing our powers of reason and judgment but only wants us to do or not to do things "because I say so".
also, she worships a man who did this: sunnah.com/bukhari/67/70 sunnah.com/bukhari/67/93 sunnah.com/abudawud/12/76 sunnah.com/nasai/26/60 sunnah.com/bukhari/63/122 sunnah.com/muslim/16/82 sunnah.com/nasai/26/61 sunnah.com/muslim/16/84 sunnah.com/urn/1261940 sunnah.com/muslim/16/81 so she tries to make islam look tolerant, so we will tolerate her beloved child rapist muhamed she is an evil hypocrite
@@worfoz She is a Muslim and worships Allah, not the Prophet. My point above was about how the gravity of certain sins shifts with changing historical context. That would obviously also apply to a practice like child marriage that is condemned now but was widespread then. It is evident that the Prophet did not have an exclusive interest in children such as would make him a "paedophile" in the modern sense and the reliability of these hadiths is, for non-Muslims at least, very open to question. Isn't it time we dropped the subject since it clearly isn't leading anywhere?
You do not understand Islam. Islam says that our life on this earth is like a rest stop for a traveler and that our actions determine eternal life after death. God will reward you for your patience in the face of adversity. God created the blind, the paralyzed, and the deaf. Isn’t it unfair that there is no other life so that God can compensate them for what happened to them?
It's so annoying when Dr. Suzy talks. She's pushing an oppressive, close-minded, and harmful narrative about sexuality and she says it with a smile. Her views reek of "conversion therapy," which has been found to be very detrimental to people's mental health, even leading many to suicide. Is she a licensed counselor? If so, she could lose her license in a profession that is LGBTQ-affirming. Don't talk about mercy and smile about it while you're advocating narratives that encourage violence and intolerance against LGBTQ people.
To those in this comment section confused about your orientation and at a loss listen, If your sole purpose is to serve Allah you will know he knows you better than you yourself. These feelings you may have are a test from Allah swt, thoughts are *not* *SIN* but *ACTIONS* are *sins*. Control ur urges and your desires, this is your jihad. Your reward will be equal. May Allah swt guide us all and forgive us Ameen. Brothers and sisters if I have made any mistakes may Allah SWT forgive me, Allah knows best.
Control ur urges and your desires, this is your jihad. lol, and muhamed the sex crazed mass rapist is your perfect example? why did he had to have sex with preteen Aisha? he wasn't able to produce any kids, so why did he need so many wives, slaves and even a child to rape?
Shaitan whispers to all of us. May Allah guide us to the truth and give us the strength to follow it, and show us the falsehood and give us the strength to avoid it, Ameen.
I don’t know if they are intentionally confusing the audience or themselves are confused? Tell the audience what Allah and his prophet said about so called “homosexuality”and then explain!!
Harshness and discrimination or pushing people out of society is not the way to deal with any issue. Or whatever it is you stand for that is against their struggle.
Very simple statement, I have made and I am getting red-herring .....so irrelevant comments; amazing! I said before explaining homosexuality in your own interpretation, tell your audiences what Allah said about it in the Quran. Lesbianism is a new phenomenon....forget about it for now! the issue was men wanting men in sexually.
The play on words, is annoying- Simply- Islam, condemns acting on feelings homosexuality. And she lies, ACTIONS DEFINE US. A MURDERER IS SOMEONE WHO MURDERED ANOTHER. I am a muslim and so, I act on my identities by practising my religion. Also, I am so tired of hearing people WHO KNOW NOTHING ,constantly preach religion when in reality they have no background or knowledge. This is not what we should be doing, seriously guys- I am not the only one who is so sick of this.
Being homosexual is never a choice.. and straight people have a privilege. You have a privilege to be treated normal and have the love you want. As to where if you’re homosexual, you will be judged for being yourself and for having a love that some people don’t accept.
It is so sad that regardless of what you say to anyone who has these desires, or has acted upon them is only received as and from straight Muslims as not being able to understand where "they" are coming from or what they are going through. The brother actually spoke to and for those who are going through this. I think that it would have been helpful to have someone on the panel who has gone through having these feelings and overcame it...or is actually going through having these feelings. Unrealistic...probably because of the labels that are placed on us in the community whether it is this issue, drugs, prison, divorce...need i go on? We have Muslims who see themselves as saints and view others as devils that they need to protect themselves and their families from instead of seeing each other as true brothers and sisters that we are placed on this earth to help, look out for and support with everything that we have been given from Allah.
Things happen for a reason. There is something positive in every situation from which to grow. For example, if a father is homophobic and has mistreated homosexuals in the past and present, and then it turns out that his son, whom he loves dearly, is homosexual, that should show him that his behaviour and judgments were wrong. It does not matter what gender you are, what religion you believe in, whether you are agnostic or atheist, your sexual orientation does not matter either, neither does your ethnicity. Step on your ego and pride, always be truthful. Be selfless and think of others first, be honest and not greedy. Try to be understanding of others' behavior instead of judging others. When you are connected to the Divine, there is no one but you. No one should interfere in your spiritual path, and you should not interfere in the spiritual path of others.
For one point, we dont know if any of these speakers don't have those specific desires. But in general all humans do - not just homosexuality but zina which is more encompassing. muslims should strive to protect oneself against all forms of zina actions. Another point is that it's not necessary. This was done on purpose not to make a spotlight out of somebody which could derail what should be discussed which the bottom line should be based on the Quran and Sunna. Personally I think this panel speaks to me and I have those desires. I agree with the truth in Islam that life is a test and a form of that could be wealth, health, and whims and desires. It is clear that following lust deludes one from truth like the people of Lot. What my nafs or desires think is good doesn't necessarily translate to what is actually good to better oneself as a muslim. Allah ultimately knows what is best.
At 9:20 She said she was a foodie a year ago (which was a desire ) but now she has controlled it. Same way, The desire of same sex attraction is a desire. She says having same sex desire is not sin unless you act upon It. Lady, first of all , very bad analogy. Also when you were a foodie , YOU ate a lot of food na? You acted upon your desires, and still you are Allah's favourite. Same way Homosexuals can have sex for 2-3 years or more until they realise it's wrong. Let them do then? Why are burning your energy here?
This was a nice discussion based on the compassion and way of our Prophet SWA in dealing with humans.Regarding Homosexuality,never once did I here the word 'Haraam 'mentioned or the fact that our Prophet SWA said: cursed is the one who does the action of the people of Lut (as)( Sahih Al jamii).And how Allah swa mentions his punishment on them in the Quraan,since seeing youve advised toward Hadith ,Quraan and the exemplified example of our beloved Prophet SWA.Why is it that when we given public platforms like these ,that we feel the need to cross the ts and dot the i' s? I mentioned this because the sister mentions the phrase' the bismillah police' .If it's not a this phrase than its the ' haraam police'.I ask of you to kindly refrain from this terminology.We start every good action with BISMILLAH as Muslims,and We are given guidelines of what's forbidden in our Deen and that's called HARAAM.Why taint a beautiful discussion with phrases that are derogatory...and yes toward our fellow Muslims.Coming from America which is a country of Superpower in Immorality and haraam practices according to the Quraan and Sunnah every Muslim there needs to be as firm as an iron wall to stand up for the Deen and the Ummah there.Theres no room for meekness or shyness or feeling the need to be apologetic for saying the word haraam.This is however by far the best approach in talks on LGBQT that I've seen thus far.
Why caring about others love and sex life? Why shall muslim girls and women be ashamed of being lesbian? I can`t understand why. No ones have the right to invade my life and deny me a sex life with a girl.
@@maryamamal318 I think these backward lands should be careful and stop violating Human Rights. In my free country, mosques are abused by the corrupt rules of these countries to bring hatred and homophobia to my country as well we used to say: why care about people's beliefs? As long as they keep them to themselves, we support the freedom of religion, no matter what. But it seems that muhamedans can not accept islam: there is no compulsion in religion, but muhamedans can't stop forcing the rules of their sect on others, even when they are guests in the west
You are right, no one has the right to impose upon you especially when we are all just mere creations that is why, ONLY GOD can impose because He is The Creator, without God we are nothing, we owe it to Him to follow his rules and do whatever pleases OUR Creator
@@sweeneesajili we owe it to Him to follow his rules and do whatever pleases OUR Creator IF there is any proof for this huge claim that we do have a creator, THEN the Church was right: their power was based on this huge claim, long before your islam was created THEY created this political myth of us being the slaves of our Creator. So what happened in the west, where this creation myth dominated our entire culture, religion, politics, art and morality: we CHECKED that myth, with this new creation Modern Science and Technology. Our science proved beyond any doubt that everything about this creation myth is false. Everything about it: we checked all the claims in ancient books like bible and quran, and we proved them all wrong. Earth is not flat, there are no seven heavens orbiting it, our sun is just one of zillion stars, in a vast, old universe, where life evolved from complex chemistry, with us humans being part of this evolution. EVERY creation story we know was proven to be wrong. Scientific proof, with huge implications as well: because our scientific proof means that NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO USE CREATION MYTHS TO FORCE PEOPLE TO OBEY ANY RULES. That´s right: YOU are nothing without that god-claim. Everything you believe in, demand from us, want in life, everything you told us about creator, creation, god and and your rules IS A LIE. And ALL YOUR CLAIMS ARE INVALID NOW. Because they are based on lies, we reject lies and we do not obey liars. No one has the right to claim to know the creator, to make us obey the rules of this non-existing creator, because Modern Science and Technology proved all that to be a lie. So, there is one truth in the quran, `there is no compulsion in religion`, or surah 109 `I do not worship what you worship.` YOU are nothing without your alla, but WE are EVERYTHING WE ARE WITHOUT YOUR DEMON ALLA, we are not created by YOUR demon, so there is nothing YOU can force us to follow, obey or even respect. For we have proof that your claims are all false. And there is nothing you can do about that, so accept it, and keep your beliefs to yourself.
@@worfoz dude...stop trolling. The video is giving advice for those who WANT to practice the religion properly. Why tf are you so butthurt if this video is not even for you? If you hate Islam and don't want to practice it then BYE. No one's gonna miss you I can promise you that. You're literally throwing a tantrum on YT over something that has no concern to you at all. That's like me, a meat eater, going on vegan recipe videos and crying about how the recipe has no meat in it. Stop trying to seek attention and move along.
Sexuality is driven by lust not by love. Love is natural. Even in that love. love between parents and child,love between friends,love between siblings and love between life partners (couples) is different so make sure you prefer love not lust. Lust has no boundaries.
Everything you said is absolute bullshit. Of course lust is natural, we're programmed via evolution to seek out sex. If you find women attractive you seek women to have sex with, if you find men attractive you seek men. Spare me the religious pontificating you pathetic quranic literalist
@@J234-gw7he calm down my friend calm down i am not even muslim ok. First thing yes lust is natural definitely i agree with that i am not saying otherwise but it is also important to control it otherwise it will create a lot of problems. Don't believe me go search about divorce cases based on infidelity,Rape cases, sexual harassment,sexual abuses from family members why do these things keep happening only beacuse they are not in control of their lust. First understand my statement then comment.
This is an objetive, open-minded discussion, but they are beating around the bush, they are not addressing the elephant in the room: "Being gay is just a desire such as any other desire. Being gay is a tendency, an urge. Being gay is not allowed in Islam, it's a sin. So you have to suppress these feelings. And if you suppress these feelings you are even rewarded." You love people of the same sex. So you either have to suppress your feeling or you have to leave Islam and with that your Muslim community (including family and friends). I can't even imagine, the struggle this causes in a young person. They even mention the causes and struggles, and recommend how the community should deal with it. But nevertheless, It's a sin and you have to be fixed. It's not an issue only with Islam but also with other conservative religious communities.
People don't understand homosexual, it is like forcing a pure straight man to learn to love another man and sexually touch and feel another man's private part until you learn how to love that feelings otherwise you will die. What would that pure straight man do? Would he rather die than to become gay? If you are purely straight then this question is for you so you would understand what homosexual really are. So you would know how homosexual feel when they are forced to learn to love the opposite sex.
Any sexual interaction outside of marriage is haram... God made us a specific way and we have difficulties in life as a test.. and in the end we need to worship and follow God not our desires.. that's the test.. this life is too short Heaven is far greater so lets work to get there
My question is, they addressed sexual relations and the whole time it seemed they were talking about controlling your sexual urges with the same sex, but what if you are a practicing muslim, you pray 5 times a day, give to charity etc, and you happen to like the same sex? You don’t want to sleep with them but you want to follow it properly, as in get married first, and you’re there for the companionship not for the sexual desires.
Ik this is late but what do you mean not desiring sex means having love but only as friends?? I personally don't desire any sexual activity (weather with male or female) however I do desire love, and not the "friendship" (platonic) kind of live but the romantic love,like the one you may see in movies or shows..
It is amazing that none of the people who discusses homosexuality and Islam is able to worry that by making a mistake in interpreting the book and through being too comfortable in reiterating some cultural norms and airing them as what the book says they could be alienating a large population of Muslims from their own religion and community, further increasing their isolation. I think if they become more aware of that trap, they can be more accurate their judgements.
...gay is prohibited in Islam and quran...If anyone disagree with quran , then they are no muslim anymore..Desire is not haram in islam if u act upon it that is haram...then you are not muslim..U can have gay desire , If u act upon it ..then u are not muslim..It is a test from allah.allah destoried a city because they act upon their haram desire like gay both bible and quran
They are beacon of Dhalala and gay-sympathizers. Having 'feelings is ok' but 'acting is not' - it's confusion and destruction by design. These morons are normalizing 'feelings'; did Loot AS preach by 'normalizing' feelings? Is surrendering to every thought under the garb of modernism 'hikma'? Idiots
36:13 When asked about the punishment for homosexuality, she uses a lot of words but says nothing about it. I understand, it is difficult to admit to the death sentence. Death sentence for adultery and homosexuality is immoral because they already will get their punishment in hell and they are denied the possibility to repent.
This video is unbelievably toxic... Being gay is not a desire it’s who I am, it’s one of many things that I am. This isn’t just about sex.. it’s about love, and connections just like straight people. Basically they are saying if you’re gay don’t act on it, so you re not worthy of love, or to have a life partner or basically even acknowledge who you are. Sorry, you can try to say these people have good intentions but there are just aiding homophobia. Very regressive.
Remember that Allah has destroyed nations, because of homosexuality. The video is a soft approach to this subject Islamically. The gay desire is a sexual desire, that has been expressly prohibited. If you act on it, then you are committing a sin. Hope that helps. It may sound harsh, but I'm trying to present the Islamic viewpoint.
Just Some Channel. It’s actually not a desire, then by your logic attraction to the opposite sex is also a desire and maybe you should refrain from women. Nations are not destroyed by gay people idk where u got that from. This did not help at all just confirmed my beliefs that this is regressive and not helpful to anyone. You people have no idea the damage you cause with your words.
@@umairnaseer8309 I don’t know if you are muslim and I am sorry that you often have to go through discrimination because of the community, but do not forget that your relationship with god is extremely personal. It’s yours and yours only. After having all the external help from Muslims trying to get you to the “right path,” they need to step down eventually and accept the fact that you chose freedom and love and that you are incapable to be in a heterosexual relationship. As prophet Muhammad would respect his neighbour of different beliefs, I respect your decisions. And as god is the most merciful, only he will decide what happens in the afterlife. Humans do NOT know and can’t decide in god’s place.
So you can have feelings but not act upon it, then it's a sin. And premarital intercourse is also a sin so what if same sex people get married is that allowed. Pardon me if my question is insensitive, I am from another community just want to know more about Islam ✌🏻️.
@@Thepankaz1 no its not basically you need to understand from where it comes and why it is increasing its like increasing as global warming because it can harm us you will not be here if your parents didn’t met try to choose with a pure and a responsible person stupid filthy act can make a person insulted and sinful avoiding it is hard but the reward is big too big accept islam the religion of purity cleanness beauty and truth
@@a__k8260 If its only a choice, not a coerced, indoctrinated or forced. They are a lot of religion that says abstinence from human desire makes you closer to god, but it was not imposed, unlike the Abrahamic religions. Every human has the right to his or her sexuality as long as its consensual. Faith should be always personal, not institutionalized. When faith is institutionalized via religion, people always suffer historically and currently. If its offensive to you, if someone asks you to stop believing in your god, its also offensive to go around and indoctrinating people and ostracize, discriminate and shun people based on their sexuality that Im pretty sure most Muslims dont have a clue about.
@@a__k8260 You seem like a very thoughtful and respectful person. I hope you find me to be so too. I am not arguing with Muslims because I find it fun, I merely want to know the truth and every time I find a comment I disagree with I want to ask. NOT to be an idiot or to start controversy, but you seem calm and thoughtful so I hope it's OK with you if I ask you questions about your statement. 1. Your very peaceful words do not reflect what happens to homosexuals in Islamic countries. What are your thoughts on this, when Islamic teaching is the justification for their murder? (and please if I may ask, do not say "they don't understand the Koran", the Koran itself dictates the actions these monsters take.) 2. I understand that you may well believe what you are saying but I'm assuming you are not gay (nor am I for that matter), but Why would a person choose such a hard road (Muslim or otherwise). Are people born gay? Why did God make them so? 3. You said earlier "these people are very loved by God because not to follow our own desires". Do you mean that this is akin to the teaching about alcohol? Meaning it is forbidden in this life but allowed in the next? i.e. don't drink alcohol/be gay now, but in the next life you can do it all you want? Please come back to me with an answer Peace. (and although I'm confident I don't need to say this with you.............but if you don't get insulting, rude or sarcastic with me,then I won't with you)
@@openiamind828 for the that alcoholl related one, yes.. bcs Allah has said that there is the best alcohol that don't even exists in the world served in heaven. Actually, alcohol was not haram at first in islam.. you can search about how actually alcohol become blasphemy in islam.. there are 3 stages. I'm a person who really lazy to type, that's why i just reply as simple as i can.. sorry for that..
WHAT IS TOTALLY HARAAM WILL ALWAYS REMAIN TOTALLY HARAAM (PROHIBITED) AND WILL NEVER BE ACCEPTED NO MATTER HOW MANY SINNERS TRY TO MAKE IT SEEM ACCEPTABLE...
innovating religion used to be a sin in islam, but then the ahadith were created so this new islam with muhamed was not accepted by most people the quran is about Isa but he was a Jew, and Arabs like to hate Jews, so in the 9th century they created this innovation ahadith and now muhamed is the new prophet of this haram sect called islam
@@alizagmout1133 It would make sense to you if you had read your quran, my friend but you are brainwashed to believe in this muhamed so you are discouraged to read how does it make sense to you that you reject the prophet of your quran, only because he was a Jew, from the House of Israel? What does your quran say about prophethood and scriptures in 29:27? When was the first time any book mentions this muhamed? If you can answer these simple questions (which you can NOT), then islam would NOT make any sense to you BUT my comment will reveal the truth. So read, and if you distrust what I told you, please check all my claims: the quran is not a book of islam, it's a Gospel, about the person and message of this Jew Isa, a.k.a. Jesus, and the quran is entirely based on these early Christian, non-triniterian Gospels: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Gospels (all but the Canonical gospels) Islam did not just fall from the skies, it was fabricated by caliphs and it took them centuries to create this muhamedanims we know today. Study the sources and you'll see.
The Quran is itself a miracle of Allah. The Quran has never been proved wrong; scientifically or otherwise. While the Bible has been proven contradictory and scientifically wrong on many occasions. The Bible also refers to a Prophet that would come after Jesus (indicating Muhammad pbuh).
@@worfoz ok boomer, go be an Islamophobe somewhere else, when ever your type of people talk about islam, it always false statements with no supporting evidence to even back it up. and im not gonna explain it to you why islam is a beutiful religion. I have also never discriminated against any other religion and atheism. If thats the religion they want to be then cool, but you can be more respectful and do more research on islam.
@@naj5045 not really. Just because there is no "rational reasoning" it doesn't mean it can't be understood :) also there are plenty of definitions in modern psychology. Which perspective you want to chose is up to you.
Honestly brother beware of the liberals who will try to persuade you that you are oppressed because Islam says you can’t act upon your homosexual, but islam is not about following your desires my brother but it is about submitting to God even if it goes against yourself as this life is a test your obedience to God.
i have no opinion on whether being gay or lesbian can be reconciled with being a Muslim, christian or jew. it would have been good to have some folks from the glbtq community on the panel who actually know what they are talking about. to equate being gay lesbian or bi with overeating or drinking is deeply ignorant and insulting..
its not considered as marriage in Islam and yes its a major sin but having desires to sleep with same sex is not sinful. the sexual act is one make it sinful
@@samsharples1738 Normal? if you mean in western 21st century standard then yes, but if go back just 50 years ago it was crime in all west countries, most Africa and Asia reject it. to make easier to understand its like comparing to Incest. incest at moment is seen as disgusting act but maybe in 50-60 years from now that could change. people follow whatever they desire and choose that as law. which I am totally against
Assalamualaikum, As we know that as a muslim we are allowed to love someone and get married to the person we love, but what if we feel like or we have a strong feeling that we love someone from the same gender. What should we do than?
We should power through these things. Everyone has a different struggle which are sometimes life long. We fight these things cuz we hear Allahs order and we obey.
Its not just about attractive or sexual feeling, towards opposite gender which is a struggle, sometimes these feelings maybe towards someone you cannot get because that person does not like you back or is toxic for you, or is not a Muslim or is married already or anything! In all these circumstances you have to believe and submit to what ALLAH wants from you, and we as humble dust cannot question why he made us go through these trials we just need to make dua for saber and be strong. I have gone through the above although it may not be same sex attractions, but either way it is a struggle to not let your nafs or sexual thoughts and hormones take over you and not let love of another fill the place that should be Allah's in your heart.
If people justify homosexuality with it being a natural urge or something that nature has put in them...or it being an inner call or something..then even a robber can demand legalization of robbery or forgery claiming it to be his impulse or an urge coming from within...then we will hv to legalize that as well...then people will keep on coming with their own personal instincts demanding their legalization...we need to understand that not all the urges that we hv need to be pampered and caressed...we should be suppressing them rather than acting upon them .we should learn to live by the limits of religion..and not push the limits past the boundaries.....dear I would suggest u to make lots of dua to Allah swt to help u fight ur nafs..plz do not give in to ur desires...make sincere dua to Allah seeking refuge from shaytan(the outcast)...read the Qur'an and listen to the translation...verily in the remembrance of Allah do hearts find peace..I too shall pray for u...may Allah ease ur hardships dear
You shouldn't listen those who don't care about your feelings. They are basically saying fuck you off and suffer for the rest of your life. Don't listen to them, they are ignorants. Talk with LGTBI people, we are hundreds of milions in the world, be yourself and fight for your rights. Fighting against what you are and always will be, against your nature and against love only will make you extremely unhappy, anxious or depressed until one day everthing blows up.
Intentions and feelings are different things tho. Feelings are natural and so can't be classified as good or bad. Intentions which can lead to actions are counted by Allah SWT . Allah SWT acknowledges our good intentions and rewards us according to them while ignoring our bad intentions. This is His mercy, to ignore the negativity we have in our hearts. Actions, because they affect us - whether we believe they do or not - and those around us, are either judged positively gaining us praise or negatively gaining us punishment. At least, that's what I've learnt so far.
Intentions and feelings still matter though. If you are thinking of doing soem major sin and reveal it, you are bound to be troubled. Doing the action itself is even worse.
I'm a transgender female and I have no desire to cleanse myself of being in a relationship with a male. Homosexuality is not a sin in my eyes. I have no need to change and I'm not a Muslim. I feel for the people who are Muslim and are homosexuals and their lives are restricted by the Muslim laws.
special words cannot change the truth. for your knowledge quran does not need any person to look after it Allah will protect it. try to translate it as it is not in the way which is convenient to us.no need of scholars just need healthy mind.
Elhamdülillah l from Türkiye but currently live in Australia, first of all it's not what desires we have that's important. We have to know the Sins and Haraam before we can act on what we feel. I'm 59 yrs old as you grow up you get all soughts of thoughts and feelings but you have to know what's right and wrong. And keep away from the sins. My father sent me to the mosque to learn Islam and dua when l was young 15 yrs old. I believe because l learnt the dua and Salah and listen to Muslim Scholars now, like Omar Suleiman, Hamza Yusuf, and Turkish Scholars. And try harder to be better Muslim the evil thoughts go away. Dua is most important with Dua Angels protect Us from evil. Muslims and good people have to keep doing what is right and eventually all will be well. Just have hope and pray to Allah. I also believe migrant a should all return to their homeland and build their own countries to be much better. Why are you staying in America they destroyed all Muslim countries and you all still stay there. Look now the have transgender a coming and teaching children in schools those children are going to have problems that no one will be able to help.
I absolutely agree with zeynepazman - Muslims should return to thier country of origin or parents country of origin. Wise person! Your presence destroys our sense of self and culture here in UK and USA! Islam is like the Cuckoo that lives in another birds nest to benefit from food and comforts but bears no resemblance to the rightful owners of the nest. I notice that the Muslim scholars skirt around the issue as so much is taboo! God save the King ( Head of the Church of England)
Yeah, it’s easy for heterosexuals to simplify alternate sexual minorities’ feelings. It’s easy for them to tell lgbt people to suppress their feelings of love and affection, while the heterosexuals can enjoy sex, love, affection, intimacy ! Hypocrites ha! Ask a heterosexual to pick between Allah’s reward or enjoying sex. I’m sure they all will choose sex over Allah!! Ask a heterosexual not to “act” upon their sexual desires and live a celibate life to go get Allah’s reward. I’m sure the heterosexuals will leave Islam and will chose sex! Ask that question to yourself: would you give up sex, love, intimacy for life, if you were promised some imaginary afterlife reward? No! You would not pick to live a loveless, sexless life. True!
@@user-sc3gn6be3h thats not a good argument. Everyone has something they have to suppress. Everyone has sins they commit. All were saying is as Muslims, Allah has given us rules to follow while we live in this world, that's it. There are Muslims who have feelings towards the same sex but at the end of the day we have free will to choose whether we act on those urges or not. Know one is saying it's easy but it's a choice whether to to obey Allah or not.
Are you gay or lesbian or bisexual? If not, perhaps you don't have the right to tell other people who are that they should settle for being second-class citizens within your religion who must submerge their true selves in order to please your god.
Dor Arie submittance to our all knowing Creator is for our own benefit, not His. The next time you create a universe then maybe we’ll pay attention to your view.
This was painful to watch. You are what you are. God should love you whether you are gay or straight. Teaching people to repress their true sexuality is just so oppressive. This is so sad.
Do you know what is evil? Speaking out a fatwa against humans love by same sex people . Love is the greatest gift of life. Speaking out a fatwa is a criminal act!
The host needs to thank and acknowledge the speaker who just finished talking before moving on to the next speaker. Also the favoritism for one panelists or the others is awkward 😬
I feel these answers are dodging the question. Because you would automatically assume that a person that is claiming to be homosexual is already engaging in homosexual activity in most circumstances so does islam except what they are doing or about to do ? And the answer is no. There is no loophole or special cases. Its a hard NO. It’s a sin.
Agree. One who smokes is a smoker. One whos addicted to drug is a drug addict. One who loves drinking is an alcoholic. The more we dodge homosexuality issue and being apologetic about it, sugarcoating it the more we are not helping those who needs help and indirectly giving homosexual activists a platform to spread the bad influence.
You are literally precious for God, He made u, and He can only understand that how hard it is, whatever u do never lose hope and trust God, He's always there for you no matter what🤗💕 God bless u dear
@@robertjsmith good question. im not self loathing.. well im trying not to be. but can i ask you a question before answering yours? are you muslim? cause (no offense) but i think just religious/muslim ppl can understand me :)
@@Cyny123 evangelical christians are just the same as muslims regarding gay issues,bigotry is the same wether religious or not.religion poisons everything,your not born a muslim,you dont have to believe these stories.
Allah doesn't say don't love anyone, of course you can love your friends and help them if they need help, and go out to each other's to see how are they. You can chat and be best of friends, BUT you can not love each other for sexual desires that is forbidden by Allah. (God ).
To all the people insulting the Muslim faith in the comments: don’t practice social imperialism and force your social norms on other cultures and disrespect other religions. Stop asking everyone to validate your behaviors.
It seems ironic that these ladies and gentleman dismiss the term homophobe as a term to describe someone who disagrees with homosexuality, but they gladly use the term Islamophobe to describe folks who disagree with Islam.
Why is being in a loving, consensual relationship a sin? Allah made me a lesbian, asexual pangender person, and I trust that He has a purpose for doing this. Allah is all-loving, and so I find it hard to believe that my all-loving God forbids me to act upon my heart to be happy in marriage and parenthood and life with a partner or wife.
You have to differentiate between LOVE and LUST, homosexuality, is about LUST not LOVE ... And when Allah create something, it doesn't mean it's okay to have. You have to remember Allah created evil, hunger, pain, oppression, and he also created satan, not because he created something we just go and accept it as something not wrong, Allah created right and wrong in life as a TEST my friend.. Allah has a wisdom that we human can't understand. You also have to know that Allah test us with things we are capable to overcome. True happiness isn't in this life, it's in the afterlife.
@@eyadhajisa-i587 Homosexuality is not lust. Lust is a desire for sex, right? Well, I have the desire to be in a romantic relationship with a girl (despite being born female myself). However, I never want to have sex with anyone.
@@eyadhajisa-i587 if sexual relationship is lust, the Straight muslims shouldnt be having sex either besides for procreation. You call other struggles as "test" from a hypothetical being, while carrying with the discrimination of actual real people ? From your descriptions, Allah doesnt sound like a good man, rather an asshole.
@@fenfalinn1152 You want to have a romantic relationship with a girl without needing to have sex with her ... Then that means it's not a romantic relationship... It just means a normal loving sisterhood relationship. Homosexuality is about sex with the same gender. "sex" is the key word in homosexuality, it means the desire to have sex with the same gender, if there's no desire to have sex with the same gender then that's just normal kind of love, and not homosexuality.
@@eyadhajisa-i587 You are aware that asexual people can still have romantic relationships that aren’t sisterly? You do know that not all marriages and partners need/want to have sex? I don’t want a ‘sister’, I want a girlfriend or a wife. The reason I don’t want to have sex ids because I was sexually assaulted last year and now I’m terrified of any sexual encounters.
As a Muslim, I still struggle to understand why the speakers are not dealing deeply with the issue instead of just asking these individuals who have feelings and desires for the same sex to never to be translated into actions. This approach is in my opinion unfair, when heterosexual feelings are encouraged to be felt and actions upon these feelings are encouraged within halal and healthy sexual activity with each other’s spouses. At the end of the day, the question must be asked, if these feelings of being attracted with only the same sex are a reality, we must ask ourselves about the wisdom in the Quran when Allah questions the morality of approaching men with lust instead of women. Why does Allah questions it when no solution is provided in the Quran for these feelings or actions to help these individuals.
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I'm genuinely confused....how is demisexuality haraam? It kept being mentioned, but demisexuality just means someone needs a strong emotional bond before they have sexual desire. How would that be a bad thing? That actually would make it much much easier to lower your gaze and to refrain from zina.
I don't think she really knows what demisexuality means...probably just heard the term being thrown around or mistaking it for something else.
Yes exactly. As someone who falls very close under the ace spectrum to demisexual, I was very confused too. Honestly I don’t know why she kept suing it but anyway. It’s probably a misunderstanding of the label.
I am going to do some research on this but (as a gut reaction) I think the issue is
a) it being a fundamental primary identity, rather than Islam/being Muslim
b) perhaps they were referring to those who are prone to developing sexual desires to anyone they can develops strong emotional bonds with, regardless of gender. The speaker could using it in that sense as it doesn’t distinguish from or also exists within a homosexual framework.
I think that’s something that’s pretty interesting and beneficial, but none the less, someone shouldn’t let their “guard down” and think they’re immune from making mistakes when it comes to sexual desires and acting on them.
Because she's intolerant and has no idea what she's talking about.
Exactly. I think demisexuality is the right way to be, even Islamically speaking. I wish I get a demisexual husband. Cuz I'm also a demisexual.
My ex husband was hyper sexual and lusting after every other woman on the street. He was about to cause a car accident looking at a woman with a big back on the sidewalk. I felt humiliated with such a lustful person. He was so ashamed of me because he loved sticking to young white half naken girls.
Demisexuality is the best way to be in terms of sezuality.
14:46 "you mentioned something very important"
Proceeds to talk about the psyche and not the real important point that he mentioned "if we hold our desires and don't act upon them Allah will reward us" as a muslim who has feelings for a person of their same sex this is the most comforting thing I ever heard in a very long time. The fact that Allah sees my pain and will reward me for it is very comforting, even if I can't fall in love now if I suppress my love for her hopefully in heaven I will be able to love her or to love someone like her" if Allah says I get rewarded at the end of the long tiring road, as long as I know for sure that there's an end to this road! I will keep going. I will keep fighting
Am proud of you. I pray every Muslim in your circumstance thinks the same. But don't let your mentality decide you can't fall in love. Instead tell your self you can because getting married is completing half your deen. Salams
I am so proud of you!! As a person who fights and wind but fight again i am so happy and over the moon that i am not alone in this fight! I always speculated that people like us could be rewarded in the afterlife by loving whoever we want since wine and all of that stuff wont be sins anymore. There will be some days where you just want to give up and embrace your desires but hold on sister. And id like to remind you that feelings arent a sin but the actions are. So your feelings towards your friend isn’t necessarily a sin but its best to fight it and im glad you took that step!! Sending you my prayers and love from a sister to a sister
I'm going through the same thing as you now
i dont want to be a downer or that but in jannah you still cant marry poeple the same sex as you. but dont worry, allah will get that outa your mind .
for now u just gotta keep fighing
@@gahousgalia7032 idrc tbh since im not sexually attracted to women just romantically
So what must I do? Marry the girl my parents choose for me? I have no feelings for her. Love or romantic. Make many children with her? What if my son asks me "Dad why don't you love mom?"
Battle yourself, no need to marry or love a woman.just stay as you are but try to avoid sins
@@mohamadnasser6181 the reason why u want to make people straight is to get married and have kids so rn u telling me not to get married?
@@jahidlm7910 buddy read properly what I did write .
@@jahidlm7910 excuse me, what are you talking about? What is your problem? I said to him to battle himself , I never said go and marry ..ready well kid and stop attacking others like that idiot.read well what I have stated and if you can't understand what I meant then, You don't have to comment
@@mohamadnasser6181 never mind i dont think u understand what im talking about too🥴
it's of course easy for you all to speak about same sex attraction because you are all stright ,next time when you bring this up have at least one gay person
May I also say: fundamentally, straight Muslims should not be concerned with whether non-straight Muslims are acting on their lusts or not. Their respect and kindness towards all people should be irrespective of what they do.
Narrated Ibn Abbas: The Prophet (peace be upon him) cursed effeminate men (those men who are in the similitude (assume the manners of women) and those women who assume the manners of men, and he said, “Turn them out of your houses.” The Prophet (peace be upon him) turned out such-and-such man, and ‘Umar turned out such-and-such woman.
Sahih Al-Bukhari - Book 72 Hadith 774
Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: If you find anyone doing as Lot’s people did, kill the one who does it, and the one to whom it is done.
Sunan of Abu-Dawood - Book 38 Hadith 4447
Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: If a man who is not married is seized committing sodomy, he will be stoned to death.
Sunan of Abu-Dawood - Book 38 Hadith 4448
Narrated AbuSa’id al-Khudri: The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: A man should not look at the private parts of another man, and a woman should not look at the private parts of another woman. A man should not lie with another man without wearing lower garment under one cover; and a woman should not be lie with another woman without wearing lower garment under one cover.
Sunan of Abu-Dawood - Book 31 Hadith 4007
Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu’minin: Ibn AbuMulaykah told that when someone remarked to Aisha that a woman was wearing sandals, she replied: The Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) cursed mannish women.
Sunan of Abu-Dawood - Book 32 Hadith 4088
Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah: Allah’s Messenger (peace be upon him) said, “The thing I fear most for my people is what Lot’s people did.”
Tirmidhi and Ibn Majah transmitted it.
Al-Tirmidhi - Hadith 3577
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Mohammed K Also if people were realy searching for TRUTH, they would realise that you cant stick a permanent label on something that is changing all the time
@@eatBurger123 Thank you for the references
@@eatBurger123 islam isn't a religion of violence.
I really feel as though a panel of cis het people, they're ill-equipped to deal with this very complex issue. It's like a panel of male medical professionals doing a talk show focussing on women's reproductive rights, while it's obliquely kinda within their field, they're not the community being discussed so they shouldn't be discussing it.
If they wanted to be reasonable and respectful in this discussion, there should have been equal or greater representation from LGBTQIA+ panellists.
We are so much more than a label so true!! On judgement day we are judged alone! Doesn't matter what everyone else said or did only Allah knows our true intentions and he is merciful subhanallah
Have you any proof that allah is real?
@@George-iv1hi I would recommend watching another video, that starts at the very beginning when Allah created the universe and Adam. Hope this helps
JazakAllahu khayran
@@starcherry6814And I recommend you to start decent education. Allah did not create anything - that is all fairy tale for stupid children. Are you still a child?
George do i have any proof you are real?
@@George-iv1hi I have never seen more stupid than someone like.
In summary, pray the gay away. . .
Yeah that’s definitely not gonna backfire
Terrible advice. And the false positive gaslighting is unreal
I’ve never had same sex adultery or any adultery at all. But I’m getting, stuck day by day, and it’s a helpless situation, no one can understand. No one can understand why you can’t sustain friendships because you are afraid people would notice you’ve always been single. No one can understand how tough it is to see everyone you’ve grown up with finding love, getting married and having children. Absolutely no one can understand how torn you can be when you can’t give any answer to your kind parents who ask you who’s “the lucky one”. And I think that no one has the right to judge because no one is as humiliated as we are.
U not alone, i also through the same problem in my life
You made me cry when you mentioned about how parents ask "who is the lucky one?". I can resist the other things but making my Mother cry and sad i can't even start to comprehend.
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I’m assuming you’re a Muslim. This is a very hard test from Allah, but truly, for you is a great reward. He knows your pain and He knows you’re resisting. Keep it up and don’t let your desires deceive you (“love is love, live life to your fullest”).
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So basically this entire video breaks down into "Islam says you can want to love someone of the same sex, but you should NEVER, EVER actually love them. Instead pretend to be something you are not, for your entire life and in this way you will go to heaven" Got it.
Glad that U used ur microscopic brain to understand that
And U even understood it wrong
@@mrrocket8467 I never understand people who feel the need to insult others. Does it make you feel better to be rude? Also if I did "understand it wrong" (I believe the word you're looking for is "misunderstand" but hey even microscopic brains sometimes have a grasp of basic vocabulary) why don't you use this as a teaching opportunity to help the intellectually challenged amongst us better grasp the concepts. I'm fairly sure I understood the content of this debate.
If you have an argument to make, make it instead of throwing insults.
@@openiamind828 Look snowflake just because i said u have a microscopic brain doesnt mean u have to make it a big deal
And u Dont Gotta flex ur vocab at least flex something good
@@mrrocket8467what good thing is it that you would like to me flex in your direction?
I AM GAY AND VIRGEM ! Explain that “mentors” !
How is possible to put on a stage to talk about homosexuals feelings WITHOUT any homosexual ?
Coz Islam is hypocrite......allah made gays with them having feelings for same sex people and then in book tell them that performing same sex activities or loving same sex as yours is sin. Bro learn this today or tomorrow.....Qur'an is shit for most part of it. Get out of islamic nations and live your life and express yourself,your love for you same sex partner or opposite sex whomsoever. Life is short don't get caught up in religious shit. Love your loved ones and go out and chase your dreams
@@greymind0072 It is true that same-sex activities are a sin but homosexuality is not. Did you know in Islam anal sex is haram, it is said that if a husband asks their wife to do it or tried to force her, that is a legit reason to ask for a divorce. Marriage is a way of you know allowing halal intimacy with the other partner. for this reason, a man and a man marrying is not allowed. Just because you feel the attraction to the same gender is not a sin. What we consider sin is you acting upon that desire and doing those haram same-sex activities. there are Muslim brothers and sisters who have such feelings, just because they have them does not mean they are not Muslims. what makes you one of the nonbelievers is that you trying to normalize such acts, by saying Allah made me this way so how is it a sin. Even if you do such acts and know what you did is a sin, tried to overcome those feelings but still fell into temptation, no one can say you are not part of Islam. all humans do sins. if because of one sin you never go to heaven I guess we all are going to hell. repentance is what allows you to go to heaven. we can only go to heaven because of Allah's mercy. Muslims who despise and shame Muslims who are homosexual, have no right to say such stuff. those who overcome that desire will surely be rewarded, those who tried to overcome it and failed but continued to repent will also be rewarded. however, those who are transgressors who try to normalize such behaviours will be punished. this temporary world is a test you need to pass. homosexuality is one of those tests, those who fail it are only hypocrites who try to not admit the sins and normalize the acts. not those who do the sin but still know what they are doing is a sin. brother/sister stop insulting our religion if you don't even know the reason. you can leave the religion if you want but mockery is not acceptable. have a good day.
@@greymind0072 You clearly haven’t watched the video.
“Is it that you’re really heterosexual or are you just not controlling your desires for opposite sex attraction?”
haha, yes, that's the logic of the narrative here... smh
Meaning what exactly? Heterosexuals is about having desires for the "opposite sex" (it's actually gender and there are more than 2 so not opposite) at all. Whether you control them or not is another thing. Also it's easy for heterosexual people to talk about uncontrol when they can marry young and no longer need to control. Meanwhile same-sex marriages are usually not even allowed in Islam. No God would as people to suffer their whole lives and Allah doesn't ask humans to remain virgin monks/nuns their whole lives.
what if they are homosexual, they will have to leave Islam to marry who they love.
what the fuck is that even supposed to mean?
@@myyoutubechannel6280 I think they meant "same" instead of "oppisite" ;)
Why shouldn't we act on the attraction? Why is everything always centered around heterosexuality? Why suppress what is natural to us? Should we just suppress our sexuality and live without love, companionship etc. Marriage is nothing but a business transaction to continue populating an already overpopulated world. Let people live, there's so many heterosexual people out there that there will never be a lack of procreation. Homosexuality isn't a struggle for someone who is homosexual. It's a struggle to live as society beliefs they should live.
@L Narcissus :/
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Shame on you. Homosexual attraction is wrong just like pedophilia attraction to children is wrong.
Just because you have an urge, doesn't make it right.
it’s sad that people truly believe it’s a disease :( I feel so bad for those with self hatred for being authentically themselves :(
what is paedophilia then?
@@hammadthegreat Remind me again............how old was Aisha when Mohammed consummated their marriage?
@@openiamind828 Around the same age of consent in Japan , also the similar age of Mary women had Jesus , in Jewish law even girls take bat mitzvah around 12 and 13, not the age propagated hope that helps
@@openiamind828 Hadith lowered age cos she was already promised to another man , don’t go with Hadith go with Quran, Puberty came at different ages, not co-signing even that ages but Jews did same and Christians they were not of our times
@@deuteronomy6411 Hey thanks for your polite and thoughtful reply.
I suppose for me your argument boils down to:
A: It was a different time
B: Others did it too.
But for me for a man to have been perfect and whom we should emulate, his actions need to be perfect for all time and irrespective of what others were doing.
Was Mohammed perfect or was he not? It was OK then but it isn't now? It was OK because others did it? These conversations are fascinating to me, they're important.
btw I love engaging with trolls (not saying you are one of course) it matters to me that others will read this comment (before it is deleted, hope it's not)
Brave enough to discuss homosexuality, invite a gay imam to be on the panel!!! Or discuss something else that has to do with heterosexuality!
a gay imam is an oxymoron
I recently found out I'm attracted to the same gender... I feel so sad, emotional unstable, and discouraged now... this video made me feel better tho, I must stay strong and true to my religion (islam) I hope Allah guides me and helps me
The video conference, the image itself is teaching or enlightening me that homosexuality is rights infringe of the opposite sex .i.e. As a man homosexuality is infringing the woman right to have a marriage and As a woman homosexuality is infringing the man right to marriage. If you have desires there is someone who will enjoy to have you as their life partner since he/she is from the opposite sex. So the image taught me that, unmarried women is plenty and men unmarried is plenty. So in conclusion marry more women if you are a man and a woman should encourage her husband to save other women from homosexuality by adding more wives
May Allah guide you and preserve you and keep you steadfast.
The prophet peace be upon him said: he who leaves something for Allah, Allah gives him something better.
Try to kill those thoughts if u can ; I would give advice but you know yourself best and what u like about same-sex
@Leo Minic thank you, I really hope I can grow up and like the other gender and get married
Remember to hold onto Him and not give in to this fitnah, Sending prayers. May Allah guide you and help you in the challenges you face.
There is nothing wrong with you you are loved and you are just as equal as any Muslim read Quran only don’t listen or believe what you r told. Read Quran and you will see that this is all lie you can be Muslim and you can be Gay
Although I (as an atheist) don't agree there is something wrong with acting upon one's "homosexual feelings", I love that all of the speakers were very open minded and not judging at all. Very interesting and non-threatenning conversation. Only thing that was missing is an actual homosexual on the panel. But I understand that with all straight people this discussion might be more engaging for some conservative people.
Are you gay? How can you or any others people on this panel speak about something you are not even experiencing. It’s ridiculous
@@wakeup5943 yes I am
well i strongly disagree with you just because they’re talking in a non threatening way doesn’t mean they’re not being judgmental because they are they are full of hatred even if they are talking calmly everything they said was judge mental and hateful if they want to be compassionate they wouldn’t be telling gay people to try and just ignore it
just think about how many gay and trans people have killed themselves or been killed because of the very ideas these people are proposing
they are saying same sex marriage is sin, whereas straight people are happily marrying each other and living their life. just because they are smiling doesn't mean they are correct. No matter how much they praise their religion they always get the thing that matter wrong.
it's not a "choice." it's WHO WE ARE! and how we cope and deal with it within ourselves and within society.
And even if it was a choice it's nothing to be ashamed of. Islam belongs in the dark ages.
Spoiler: they're incredibly homophobic. Hope this helps.
Nothing wrong wit dat.
@@dom3073 islam sucks balls
@hitler the third I can guarantee that many people hide in fear, simply because some humans are not able to comprehend basic facts. Gay people exist. Get over it.
@@dom3073 Plenty wrong "wit dat", actually.
@hitler the third that's like saying you are a proud racist.
Every human being deserves the right to a loving relationship whether they be gay or straight!
Not in islam.
People do opposites when they were abused as young and it's a form of mental struggle in the form of self-harm same as Alcohol, drugs, suicide.
@@aliay2743 this is a 50 year old theory and wrong.
@@tthinker9897 Loving relationship is different from abnormal sexual relationship
@@aliay2743 and there are millions of same sex couples enjoying very loving relationships. In fact, now that gay marriage is legal in many countries, studies have shown they last longer and are more harmonious than mixed marriages.
The sister with the pink hijab 🧕🏾 smile is contagious such a sweet sister and very smart
true, may Allah bless her
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It's the best smile and it reminds me of the hadith that says something to the effect that we should approach one another with a smile and that it is a sadaqah. The world sometimes can be very harsh when you carry a smile and it wants to take it away, this sisters infectious smile makes one want to not care about the few and to smile because of the way hers makes o e feel. It's nice to see smiling faces, it feels loving and we are all in need of more love in the world today
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Bismi Allah certain things it is said unheard of
"Our action define our characteristic not our desire " that make sense still 100 percent men
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your desires are what make you act
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If you’re actions are acceptable then you’re respected do not promote this filthy feelings
@@emaanshaikh5631 be nice
It's easy to just talk, they don't know what it's like. If you Were born this Way, it is what it is, accept who you are, love yourself and be happy
That has not been necessarily proven scientifically that one is born gay/straight.
@@xhunterx1452 come on, open up your eyes. I myself experienced that. Since i was kid i knew i was different, like the girl stuff ect. And started to like boys in the following years. It's not something you can choose. God made me this way. That's it.
@@cesarsatriyo4655 no god did not. you was probably raised that way and thought it was normal
@@cesarsatriyo4655 no God didn't made you this way
if God did he wouldn't forbid it
If you're a believer don't forget there is Satan out their to make you desire what is forbidden
It's up to you whether to give in or not but don't make it something it's not
And if you don't believe I don't think well that's up to you
My English is not good so sorry for that
@@dazaiosamu452 goodd reply
Why are religions so obsessed with other people's sexuality. Also, homosexuality isn't about the "action" or a "desire", it's about being able to LOVE someone of the same sex and having the ability to be with that person, in public, to build up a life together, just like anyone else. I'm a born atheist gay man and I don't think I should go around and have sex with people, at the end of the day I want a stable life with the person I love. The fact certain LGBTQ+ people make such a big deal of their sexuality is as a response to people, often religious people, who discriminate against us for who we are, or in religious terms (I'm not religious, but here I go) how God made us. Many countries around the world still criminalise homosexuality and many more give no opportunity to register as a couple, which makes it difficult, if not impossible, to have a life, to be registered on the same address and what not. The idea that love (and all that comes with it) between two consenting adults is wrong according to certain religions tells me that certain religious, or certain religious sects, or certain religious individuals are a lot of things, but accepting and caring and non-judgemental they are not. How this topic is handled within certain communities is so offensive and also quite wrong. Do y'all not know that the suicide rate amongst LGBTQ+ youth is WAY higher than with non-LGBTQ+ youth? Largely because of this reasoning and that's just so painful. Getting "rewarded" for surpressing natural feelings, which often leads to depression, self harm or even suicide. This is so wrong and so harmful. We should live in a world where we can all accept others for who they are. My deal is, as long as you respect me and uphold the law of the country (I'm Dutch, so any type of discrimination is forbidden), I will do the same to you. If not, that's the line and I don't see why I should associate myself with bigoted people.
There are so many wrong things you've written here that it's absolutely near impossible to have a discussion. To understand and tackle this issue from an Islamic perspective, you NEED to first understand the fundamental principles before going discussing issues. Just to give you an example, imagine that we, as a society, found out that by a allowing a certain action, consequences of that action are delayed to one or two generations down the line?
Now. Would you still prioritize individual liberty? In selfish societies like yours, individuals are all that matters. So, that what you guys chose.
I worry for the well being of people who have same-sex attraction and are just told to "pray for the urges to go away" and never act upon them. I think most of those who try to go that path will suffer a lot mentally.
I am a living truth of your words
You are absolutely right
@@mohamedfawzy9945 sorry to hear that. Hope you find better ways.
@@igor-yp1xv thank you for caring ⚘️⚘️⚘️
That’s my live idont know what to do !
It would have been interesting if LGBTQ Muslims ( they do exist) were included in the panel. It would feel less like talking about and more like talking with each other.Would have added to the discussion
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Lgbt shouldn't be in islam, it's forbidden. They seem to understand that 😑
@@raiden4239 yet we exist.no denying that.. to your point why bother having conversations? Going simply from your standpoint doesn't take the conversation very far.i do understand people just seeking to listen to people regurgitate what they already think rather than learn different and valid perspectives
@@e.m.6757 There's no point in learning the different perspective if i know it's forbidden. Pork is forbidden in islam, if i just go and watch these people eating pork i might end up thinking it's fine and it's okay. WHICH ISN'T islam forbids it, what kinda muslim would i be if i openly deny God's orders and talk openly about it.
@@raiden4239 it's the popular interpretation it seems, but there also seems to be Muslims who view their relationship with Islam and Allah a bit different. You thinking or knowing that they are forbidden doesn't and hasn't stopped them from existing or identifying as LGBTQ+ Muslims
33:27 that a very critical points to all the ammams while giving khotba to be more considerate and compassionate towards the crowd cuz you never know who is listening and would be affected by your words
I’m concerned about the mental health of gay people when everyone just seems to shut the door on their faces and when the ones who supposed to relief their pain start saying stuff like you’re gonna go through this for the rest of your life which is very unbearable I mean we don’t really know what we are capable of but common saying to someone that you’re not allowed to love or be loved not allowed to have sex which is very nature thing is insane and the worst thing is that we have to hear it from the ones who haven’t experienced something so dramatic like that but I’m just fed up
Sexuality cannot be changed. The desire to have sex with the same gender IS THE SAME as the opposite sex
No it’s not and will never be
@@ahmedalhosawi5516 then change your sexuality
No it's not the same
Stop lying to yourself and save yourself from this brainwashing of the West.
@@gloryjudgement7563 No it cannot. You cannot find a single, repeatable method that is tried and test that will reliably change a person's sexuality. It is a complete fallacy commonly made by the uneducated/non-experienced.
May Allah bless these sisters for discussing this sensitive reality on large platform as this. May Allah be pleased with you work.
I appreciate what all the speakers are trying to do and say, but all the analogies and easy phrases 'your sexuality is not your identity', 'your feelings are not your identity' are so simplistic and to me, a gay person, pretty insulting, (though I'm sure you don't mean it to be). I think you should not sugar coat things. Admit it's a tragedy for a Muslim teenager to discover he or she is gay. Their lives are going to involve a lot of emptiness and suffering. And that's that. I appreciate your attempt to be humane, - but given the scripture you accept as true, - and I have no criticism for that, you are all honest believers, - I don't see any place for people like me in your community, (which is fine). Call it what it is. Hating the 'action' but not hating the person is easy for you to do, or think you are doing. For someone is gay, whose sexuality is far more integrated into their entire personality than you want to believe, - it is all received as rejection, - which it is. Blessings for what you are trying to do.
Exactly. It's like- no its not just "dealing with same sex attraction". Gay men and women are definitionally not attracted to the opposite sex and never will be. If this is the case, what are the solutions which exist within the faith? A- feign heterosexuality by marrying a person you may love but will never truly be attracted to, or B- remain celibate. Neither of these are sustainable options if you ask me. Being gay is more of an "identity" than being straight because being straight is perceived as the norm, just part of human nature. It is just taken for granted as the backdrop of life, but for gay people who cannot exist effortlessly, their sexual orientation becomes central to their lives, and thus part of their identity. I wish they actually had gay folks on stage to talk with. All of these talks on Islam and homosexuality are just straight people saying what they think being gay is and feels like. Anyways like you said - they musnt abandon empathy but they should be honest- there is currently no way of reconciling homosexuality with the faith and all of the solutions which operate in the current paradigm are only known to increase suffering (sham marriage, conversion therapy, and not so voluntary celibacy). This is coming from a straight female convert.
@@GrayzoneGab I'm glad you are part of their community.
@@GrayzoneGab Thank you for your comment - I am a gay Muslim and I am glad there are understanding Muslims like you. These straight scholars and speakers should really speak with a real gay Muslim - it will be much more interesting and they will know the realities and struggles of an LGBT Muslim.
@@gumzy3000 ur technichally not a muslim
@@gahousgalia7032 and why do you say that? Who gives you the right to make such a claim?
It is the duty of muslims to enjoin each other in good and forbid from evil [quran 3:104]. Jews had the same responsibility but they stopped doing that and fell from grace. Allah cursed them for neglecting this [quran 5:78]. If we also dont forbid people from evil our end would be the same. May Allah save us from his anger and from doing what brings His curse and wrath on us. May Allah keep us steadfast on the true teachings of Islam so that we can always vehemently oppose lgbt and all evils like it and not make compromise with wrongdoers or mince our words in opposing the evil. Ameen
child rape is evil but you child rapist worshipers defend this:
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@@worfoz"Although the widely-cited hadith states that Aisha was nine years old when her marriage to the Prophet (upon him be peace) was consummated, this is contradicted by strong historical evidence. Tabari, the famous historian and hadith expert, states that Aisha was born at least fifteen years before the marriage was consummated"
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All the bs your talking about doesn't matter. We as muslims know much better then you lgbt and will stay away from satans whispering. Just because you see your disgusting filthy stuff as "normal" doesn't mean we share the same opinion.
Israel fell because of people who dont be and let be.Now it's used as a proof to doing cruelity and keeping power over people who know people are all a mix of feminine and masculine and sometimes that mix is the body is one way and attraction an other.
But we are not to forget that our prophet SWA said that near the end times there will be many of us..but we will be like the froth upon the sea.When we see that these issues are increasing in our societies in the Ummah,Then we are lacking in something somewhere.We need to give it OUR ALL in firmness and sticking to the Quraan and Sunnah without feeling the need to be apologetic.
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Homosexuality is not a sin, but the panel thinks it is. As much as heterosexually is normal, homosexuality is also natural. In the animal-kingdom homosexuality is also present. There is nothing wrong with same-sex if it's between two consenting adult persons.
It's easy for these people to dismiss sexuality as just a label. I'm sure there are a lot Muslim men and women who suffer in silence because they're afraid of coming out.
Hello, I'm a Muslim and I've recently found out that I'm into the same gender.. it's hard for me but I'm not going to let that push me away from islam, yes ik it's going to be hard but I honestly agreed with what these scholars are saying because Allah is kind, he will make it easier for me and others who are going through the same thing (inshalla) so we must stay strong
@@Thatonejoestar you get one life, religion is for people , people are not for religion, change is the only constant, I will really advice you to live your life, straight people will marry and fulfill their desires, only homosexuals will remain fighting till they die, for something which is not wrong and almost whole earth has accepted. At the end its your life.
they are talking about gay people and didn't even invite a gay person to talk, its like talk on women with no women panel.
@Panjak Kumar, I don’t know if you are a Muslim or not, but in Islam it is a very very very huge sin to commit adultery, let alone with the same sex.
So if you want to commit adultery go ahead, no one is stopping you but everything has it’s own consequences, either in this life time or on the day of judgement:)
@@Thatonejoestar Don't listen to the western people.. I support you brother/sister.. InshaAllah you'll make it through your desires.
At no time did you discuss the construct of love. What if you’re not just working off of urges but you’re working off of love but if you fall in love with somebody of the same sex. What about falling in love
Define what is falling in love ? Falling in love doesn’t sustain a family in islam weve been taught to keep love ,many marriages fail because ppl fell in love and then out of love so it was thats it i dont have feelings by .no ,you dont live like this you should create mercy and love between partners .
@Percilott Are you saying you shouldn't marry someone you love? Are you insane?
@@DEEJAYNH10 How can a gay man be taught to romantically love a woman? No such thing is possible.
@@waymilky442 it is possible. It’s not different from when a straight man marries a woman who he has no feelings towards. Most marriages in Muslim societies are like that, and they end up falling in love, and it has a higher chance to stay longer than marriages that are made because the partners fell in love first, actually most marriages that are because of love end up with divorces.
The problem here is that Muslims can't grasp that God is not a sadist who forbids things on whim so as to punish us. He forbids what is bad for us so that we may be better and happier. Accordingly sins like eating pork, drinking alcohol, homosexuality and even stealing are sinful in differing degrees depending on time and context. It should have been acknowledged in this discussion that homosexuality was a highly anti-social and destructive tendency at the time of the Prophet, enabling men to evade familial responsibilities and thereby threaten the whole fabric of society while today the situation is different. Homosexuality may still be sinful but it is incumbent on commentators like these to say exactly why and to what degree. Their unwillingness to do so reflects a childish notion of God as a tyrannical father who has no interest in nurturing our powers of reason and judgment but only wants us to do or not to do things "because I say so".
also, she worships a man who did this:
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so she tries to make islam look tolerant, so we will tolerate her beloved child rapist muhamed
she is an evil hypocrite
@@worfoz She is a Muslim and worships Allah, not the Prophet. My point above was about how the gravity of certain sins shifts with changing historical context. That would obviously also apply to a practice like child marriage that is condemned now but was widespread then. It is evident that the Prophet did not have an exclusive interest in children such as would make him a "paedophile" in the modern sense and the reliability of these hadiths is, for non-Muslims at least, very open to question. Isn't it time we dropped the subject since it clearly isn't leading anywhere?
Allah is sadistic
You do not understand Islam. Islam says that our life on this earth is like a rest stop for a traveler and that our actions determine eternal life after death. God will reward you for your patience in the face of adversity. God created the blind, the paralyzed, and the deaf. Isn’t it unfair that there is no other life so that God can compensate them for what happened to them?
It's so annoying when Dr. Suzy talks. She's pushing an oppressive, close-minded, and harmful narrative about sexuality and she says it with a smile. Her views reek of "conversion therapy," which has been found to be very detrimental to people's mental health, even leading many to suicide. Is she a licensed counselor? If so, she could lose her license in a profession that is LGBTQ-affirming. Don't talk about mercy and smile about it while you're advocating narratives that encourage violence and intolerance against LGBTQ people.
To those in this comment section confused about your orientation and at a loss listen,
If your sole purpose is to serve Allah you will know he knows you better than you yourself. These feelings you may have are a test from Allah swt, thoughts are *not* *SIN* but *ACTIONS* are *sins*. Control ur urges and your desires, this is your jihad. Your reward will be equal. May Allah swt guide us all and forgive us Ameen.
Brothers and sisters if I have made any mistakes may Allah SWT forgive me, Allah knows best.
Control ur urges and your desires, this is your jihad.
lol, and muhamed the sex crazed mass rapist is your perfect example?
why did he had to have sex with preteen Aisha?
he wasn't able to produce any kids, so why did he need so many wives, slaves and even a child to rape?
Shaitan whispers to all of us. May Allah guide us to the truth and give us the strength to follow it, and show us the falsehood and give us the strength to avoid it, Ameen.
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and forgive us all, Ameen.
@@worfoz you were fed with soo many liess and propaganda lmaoo
I don’t know if they are intentionally confusing the audience or themselves are confused?
Tell the audience what Allah and his prophet said about so called “homosexuality”and then explain!!
Abdi Sheikh allah didn’t say anything you stupid dumb
You mistake homosexuality and same-sex intercourses.
Harshness and discrimination or pushing people out of society is not the way to deal with any issue. Or whatever it is you stand for that is against their struggle.
Adil El Nhaily (of a person) sexually attracted to people of one's own sex. Homosexuality.
Very simple statement, I have made and I am getting red-herring .....so irrelevant comments; amazing! I said before explaining homosexuality in your own interpretation, tell your audiences what Allah said about it in the Quran. Lesbianism is a new phenomenon....forget about it for now! the issue was men wanting men in sexually.
The play on words, is annoying- Simply- Islam, condemns acting on feelings homosexuality.
And she lies, ACTIONS DEFINE US. A MURDERER IS SOMEONE WHO MURDERED ANOTHER. I am a muslim and so, I act on my identities by practising my religion. Also, I am so tired of hearing people WHO KNOW NOTHING ,constantly preach religion when in reality they have no background or knowledge. This is not what we should be doing, seriously guys- I am not the only one who is so sick of this.
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What's your problem with this lecture, i found it very meaningful.
Being homosexual is never a choice.. and straight people have a privilege. You have a privilege to be treated normal and have the love you want. As to where if you’re homosexual, you will be judged for being yourself and for having a love that some people don’t accept.
FACTSSSS
It is so sad that regardless of what you say to anyone who has these desires, or has acted upon them is only received as and from straight Muslims as not being able to understand where "they" are coming from or what they are going through.
The brother actually spoke to and for those who are going through this.
I think that it would have been helpful to have someone on the panel who has gone through having these feelings and overcame it...or is actually going through having these feelings. Unrealistic...probably because of the labels that are placed on us in the community whether it is this issue, drugs, prison, divorce...need i go on? We have Muslims who see themselves as saints and view others as devils that they need to protect themselves and their families from instead of seeing each other as true brothers and sisters that we are placed on this earth to help, look out for and support with everything that we have been given from Allah.
Things happen for a reason. There is something positive in every situation from which to grow. For example, if a father is homophobic and has mistreated homosexuals in the past and present, and then it turns out that his son, whom he loves dearly, is homosexual, that should show him that his behaviour and judgments were wrong. It does not matter what gender you are, what religion you believe in, whether you are agnostic or atheist, your sexual orientation does not matter either, neither does your ethnicity. Step on your ego and pride, always be truthful. Be selfless and think of others first, be honest and not greedy. Try to be understanding of others' behavior instead of judging others. When you are connected to the Divine, there is no one but you. No one should interfere in your spiritual path, and you should not interfere in the spiritual path of others.
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This video exposes homosexuals lies
Ya Allah protect us all and expose all these fitnas ameen
For one point, we dont know if any of these speakers don't have those specific desires. But in general all humans do - not just homosexuality but zina which is more encompassing. muslims should strive to protect oneself against all forms of zina actions.
Another point is that it's not necessary. This was done on purpose not to make a spotlight out of somebody which could derail what should be discussed which the bottom line should be based on the Quran and Sunna.
Personally I think this panel speaks to me and I have those desires. I agree with the truth in Islam that life is a test and a form of that could be wealth, health, and whims and desires. It is clear that following lust deludes one from truth like the people of Lot. What my nafs or desires think is good doesn't necessarily translate to what is actually good to better oneself as a muslim. Allah ultimately knows what is best.
At 9:20
She said she was a foodie a year ago (which was a desire ) but now she has controlled it. Same way, The desire of same sex attraction is a desire. She says having same sex desire is not sin unless you act upon It. Lady, first of all , very bad analogy. Also when you were a foodie , YOU ate a lot of food na? You acted upon your desires, and still you are Allah's favourite. Same way Homosexuals can have sex for 2-3 years or more until they realise it's wrong. Let them do then? Why are burning your energy here?
Exactly!
It's not wrong. It's Allah's creation. Everyone deserves to be able to get married and be intimate with their spouses including LGBT people.
This was a nice discussion based on the compassion and way of our Prophet SWA in dealing with humans.Regarding Homosexuality,never once did I here the word 'Haraam 'mentioned or the fact that our Prophet SWA said: cursed is the one who does the action of the people of Lut (as)( Sahih Al jamii).And how Allah swa mentions his punishment on them in the Quraan,since seeing youve advised toward Hadith ,Quraan and the exemplified example of our beloved Prophet SWA.Why is it that when we given public platforms like these ,that we feel the need to cross the ts and dot the i' s? I mentioned this because the sister mentions the phrase' the bismillah police' .If it's not a this phrase than its the ' haraam police'.I ask of you to kindly refrain from this terminology.We start every good action with BISMILLAH as Muslims,and We are given guidelines of what's forbidden in our Deen and that's called HARAAM.Why taint a beautiful discussion with phrases that are derogatory...and yes toward our fellow Muslims.Coming from America which is a country of Superpower in Immorality and haraam practices according to the Quraan and Sunnah every Muslim there needs to be as firm as an iron wall to stand up for the Deen and the Ummah there.Theres no room for meekness or shyness or feeling the need to be apologetic for saying the word haraam.This is however by far the best approach in talks on LGBQT that I've seen thus far.
I agree , what is haram is haram,like zinna is haram between different genders even , so how can sex between same genders be halal?
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This video exposes homosexuals lies
Ya Allah protect us all and expose all these fitnas ameen
I'm a Christian but what that woman says from about 8:13 - 9:42 totally nails it!
Why caring about others love and sex life? Why shall muslim girls and women be ashamed of being lesbian? I can`t understand why. No ones have the right to invade my life and deny me a sex life with a girl.
There are plenty girls club`s in secret in all muslim lands. Unfortunately we lesbians must be careful is these backwards lands.
@@maryamamal318 I think these backward lands should be careful and stop violating Human Rights. In my free country, mosques are abused by the corrupt rules of these countries to bring hatred and homophobia to my country as well
we used to say: why care about people's beliefs? As long as they keep them to themselves, we support the freedom of religion, no matter what. But it seems that muhamedans can not accept islam:
there is no compulsion in religion, but muhamedans can't stop forcing the rules of their sect on others, even when they are guests in the west
You are right, no one has the right to impose upon you especially when we are all just mere creations that is why, ONLY GOD can impose because He is The Creator, without God we are nothing, we owe it to Him to follow his rules and do whatever pleases OUR Creator
@@sweeneesajili we owe it to Him to follow his rules and do whatever pleases OUR Creator
IF there is any proof for this huge claim that we do have a creator, THEN the Church was right: their power was based on this huge claim, long before your islam was created THEY created this political myth of us being the slaves of our Creator.
So what happened in the west, where this creation myth dominated our entire culture, religion, politics, art and morality: we CHECKED that myth, with this new creation Modern Science and Technology.
Our science proved beyond any doubt that everything about this creation myth is false.
Everything about it: we checked all the claims in ancient books like bible and quran, and we proved them all wrong. Earth is not flat, there are no seven heavens orbiting it, our sun is just one of zillion stars, in a vast, old universe, where life evolved from complex chemistry, with us humans being part of this evolution.
EVERY creation story we know was proven to be wrong. Scientific proof, with huge implications as well:
because our scientific proof means that NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO USE CREATION MYTHS TO FORCE PEOPLE TO OBEY ANY RULES.
That´s right: YOU are nothing without that god-claim.
Everything you believe in, demand from us, want in life, everything you told us about creator, creation, god and and your rules IS A LIE.
And ALL YOUR CLAIMS ARE INVALID NOW.
Because they are based on lies, we reject lies and we do not obey liars.
No one has the right to claim to know the creator, to make us obey the rules of this non-existing creator, because Modern Science and Technology proved all that to be a lie.
So, there is one truth in the quran, `there is no compulsion in religion`, or surah 109 `I do not worship what you worship.`
YOU are nothing without your alla, but WE are EVERYTHING WE ARE WITHOUT YOUR DEMON ALLA, we are not created by YOUR demon, so there is nothing YOU can force us to follow, obey or even respect.
For we have proof that your claims are all false.
And there is nothing you can do about that, so accept it, and keep your beliefs to yourself.
@@worfoz dude...stop trolling. The video is giving advice for those who WANT to practice the religion properly. Why tf are you so butthurt if this video is not even for you? If you hate Islam and don't want to practice it then BYE. No one's gonna miss you I can promise you that. You're literally throwing a tantrum on YT over something that has no concern to you at all. That's like me, a meat eater, going on vegan recipe videos and crying about how the recipe has no meat in it. Stop trying to seek attention and move along.
We are not animals who act upon their feelings,we are humans with intellect,we do the right thing and control and balance our emotions.
Sexuality is driven by lust not by love. Love is natural. Even in that love. love between parents and child,love between friends,love between siblings and love between life partners (couples) is different so make sure you prefer love not lust. Lust has no boundaries.
Love for the same sex is the same as love for the opposite sex. So heterosexuality is lust as well 🤔.
@@clefnoteproductions6695 exactly i am not saying otherwise. Lust should be channeled in right direction otherwise it will create a lot of problems.
Everything you said is absolute bullshit.
Of course lust is natural, we're programmed via evolution to seek out sex. If you find women attractive you seek women to have sex with, if you find men attractive you seek men.
Spare me the religious pontificating you pathetic quranic literalist
@@J234-gw7he calm down my friend calm down i am not even muslim ok. First thing yes lust is natural definitely i agree with that i am not saying otherwise but it is also important to control it otherwise it will create a lot of problems. Don't believe me go search about divorce cases based on infidelity,Rape cases, sexual harassment,sexual abuses from family members why do these things keep happening only beacuse they are not in control of their lust. First understand my statement then comment.
Ah yes I take care of my sick boyfriend because I lust him
elhamdulillah, I wish to be aware of these distinctions as the community in Turkey.
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So muslims are ready to destroy the happiness of a person just bcz it says in books.u don't deserve respect guys
This is an objetive, open-minded discussion, but they are beating around the bush, they are not addressing the elephant in the room: "Being gay is just a desire such as any other desire. Being gay is a tendency, an urge. Being gay is not allowed in Islam, it's a sin. So you have to suppress these feelings. And if you suppress these feelings you are even rewarded."
You love people of the same sex. So you either have to suppress your feeling or you have to leave Islam and with that your Muslim community (including family and friends). I can't even imagine, the struggle this causes in a young person. They even mention the causes and struggles, and recommend how the community should deal with it. But nevertheless, It's a sin and you have to be fixed.
It's not an issue only with Islam but also with other conservative religious communities.
I'm sorry if this question makes you uncomfortable, answer if it's alright but I want to know, I can marry a man as a lesbian right? i
People don't understand homosexual, it is like forcing a pure straight man to learn to love another man and sexually touch and feel another man's private part until you learn how to love that feelings otherwise you will die. What would that pure straight man do? Would he rather die than to become gay?
If you are purely straight then this question is for you so you would understand what homosexual really are. So you would know how homosexual feel when they are forced to learn to love the opposite sex.
idk why homosexual is haram, i dont actually get it. they just love each other, why would it be a sin.
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Because God says so.
Any sexual interaction outside of marriage is haram... God made us a specific way and we have difficulties in life as a test.. and in the end we need to worship and follow God not our desires.. that's the test.. this life is too short Heaven is far greater so lets work to get there
They can LOVE each other that’s fine, but the real question is, loving each other sexually or platonically?
@@mohammedsalim7538 romantically
My question is, they addressed sexual relations and the whole time it seemed they were talking about controlling your sexual urges with the same sex, but what if you are a practicing muslim, you pray 5 times a day, give to charity etc, and you happen to like the same sex? You don’t want to sleep with them but you want to follow it properly, as in get married first, and you’re there for the companionship not for the sexual desires.
Yeah I think a lot of ppl get confused and assume being gay is just about sex even though there are gay people who don’t even want to have sex.
@@ataraxia7439 its only about sex ,if you don't have a sexual desire it will be a normal friendship love.
Ik this is late but what do you mean not desiring sex means having love but only as friends?? I personally don't desire any sexual activity (weather with male or female) however I do desire love, and not the "friendship" (platonic) kind of live but the romantic love,like the one you may see in movies or shows..
platonic love and romantic live are 2 different things... you cant kiss someone and hold their hand and claim it as "platonic"
It is amazing that none of the people who discusses homosexuality and Islam is able to worry that by making a mistake in interpreting the book and through being too comfortable in reiterating some cultural norms and airing them as what the book says they could be alienating a large population of Muslims from their own religion and community, further increasing their isolation. I think if they become more aware of that trap, they can be more accurate their judgements.
Let's not represse desires. Or we'll live a frustrated situation. My religion gave me the toolkit to repress myself and feel miserable.
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Live your life or live others !
Both come with a price !
But honestly there is nothing worse than regret, and not live yourself is betrayal.
@@richmanpoorman3461 are there Muslim vigilantes??!
@@claudioinove2710 yes, I agree. Let nothing stop you, not even religion
@@robertjsmith only God is perfect, you are saying blasfemy. But thank you, I am who I am and I accepted it, but some don't accept me
Ma sha Allah Tabarak Allah! They are all charismatic and articulate! Glad to have them represent us, Al hamdullilah!
Are you a gay as me ??
...gay is prohibited in Islam and quran...If anyone disagree with quran , then they are no muslim anymore..Desire is not haram in islam if u act upon it that is haram...then you are not muslim..U can have gay desire , If u act upon it ..then u are not muslim..It is a test from allah.allah destoried a city because they act upon their haram desire like gay both bible and quran
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They are beacon of Dhalala and gay-sympathizers. Having 'feelings is ok' but 'acting is not' - it's confusion and destruction by design. These morons are normalizing 'feelings'; did Loot AS preach by 'normalizing' feelings? Is surrendering to every thought under the garb of modernism 'hikma'? Idiots
This discussion is a first step towards reality, and a compassionate one. The rest of the picture will come with time.
36:13 When asked about the punishment for homosexuality, she uses a lot of words but says nothing about it. I understand, it is difficult to admit to the death sentence.
Death sentence for adultery and homosexuality is immoral because they already will get their punishment in hell and they are denied the possibility to repent.
Wow! These sisters are not just learned, they're brilliant!
Respect and honor! I'm so proud of them.
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Ya Allah protect us all and expose all these fitnas ameen
A desire for beauty, flowers, travel, love, etc. Desires are not always negative.
This video is unbelievably toxic... Being gay is not a desire it’s who I am, it’s one of many things that I am. This isn’t just about sex.. it’s about love, and connections just like straight people. Basically they are saying if you’re gay don’t act on it, so you re not worthy of love, or to have a life partner or basically even acknowledge who you are. Sorry, you can try to say these people have good intentions but there are just aiding homophobia. Very regressive.
Remember that Allah has destroyed nations, because of homosexuality. The video is a soft approach to this subject Islamically. The gay desire is a sexual desire, that has been expressly prohibited. If you act on it, then you are committing a sin. Hope that helps. It may sound harsh, but I'm trying to present the Islamic viewpoint.
Just Some Channel. It’s actually not a desire, then by your logic attraction to the opposite sex is also a desire and maybe you should refrain from women. Nations are not destroyed by gay people idk where u got that from. This did not help at all just confirmed my beliefs that this is regressive and not helpful to anyone. You people have no idea the damage you cause with your words.
@@umairnaseer8309 I don’t know if you are muslim and I am sorry that you often have to go through discrimination because of the community, but do not forget that your relationship with god is extremely personal. It’s yours and yours only. After having all the external help from Muslims trying to get you to the “right path,” they need to step down eventually and accept the fact that you chose freedom and love and that you are incapable to be in a heterosexual relationship. As prophet Muhammad would respect his neighbour of different beliefs, I respect your decisions. And as god is the most merciful, only he will decide what happens in the afterlife. Humans do NOT know and can’t decide in god’s place.
So you can have feelings but not act upon it, then it's a sin. And premarital intercourse is also a sin so what if same sex people get married is that allowed.
Pardon me if my question is insensitive, I am from another community just want to know more about Islam ✌🏻️.
No it's not allowed
Homosexuality is completely forbidden in Islam
yeah i also came for the same question, and got my answer, such things complelty put me off and I wonder why people choose Islam. its so oppressive.
@@Thepankaz1 U came from a mother and father. Its not offensive 🙂
@@Thepankaz1 no its not basically you need to understand from where it comes and why it is increasing its like increasing as global warming because it can harm us you will not be here if your parents didn’t met try to choose with a pure and a responsible person stupid filthy act can make a person insulted and sinful avoiding it is hard but the reward is big too big accept islam the religion of purity cleanness beauty and truth
Sadness for those asked to repress forever their true selves
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@@a__k8260 then you better dont married or have sex in your life. Its easier to tell it to others.
@@a__k8260 If its only a choice, not a coerced, indoctrinated or forced. They are a lot of religion that says abstinence from human desire makes you closer to god, but it was not imposed, unlike the Abrahamic religions. Every human has the right to his or her sexuality as long as its consensual. Faith should be always personal, not institutionalized. When faith is institutionalized via religion, people always suffer historically and currently. If its offensive to you, if someone asks you to stop believing in your god, its also offensive to go around and indoctrinating people and ostracize, discriminate and shun people based on their sexuality that Im pretty sure most Muslims dont have a clue about.
@@a__k8260 You seem like a very thoughtful and respectful person. I hope you find me to be so too. I am not arguing with Muslims because I find it fun, I merely want to know the truth and every time I find a comment I disagree with I want to ask. NOT to be an idiot or to start controversy, but you seem calm and thoughtful so I hope it's OK with you if I ask you questions about your statement.
1. Your very peaceful words do not reflect what happens to homosexuals in Islamic countries. What are your thoughts on this, when Islamic teaching is the justification for their murder?
(and please if I may ask, do not say "they don't understand the Koran", the Koran itself dictates the actions these monsters take.)
2. I understand that you may well believe what you are saying but I'm assuming you are not gay (nor am I for that matter), but Why would a person choose such a hard road (Muslim or otherwise). Are people born gay? Why did God make them so?
3. You said earlier "these people are very loved by God because not to follow our own desires". Do you mean that this is akin to the teaching about alcohol? Meaning it is forbidden in this life but allowed in the next? i.e. don't drink alcohol/be gay now, but in the next life you can do it all you want?
Please come back to me with an answer
Peace.
(and although I'm confident I don't need to say this with you.............but if you don't get insulting, rude or sarcastic with me,then I won't with you)
@@openiamind828 for the that alcoholl related one, yes.. bcs Allah has said that there is the best alcohol that don't even exists in the world served in heaven. Actually, alcohol was not haram at first in islam.. you can search about how actually alcohol become blasphemy in islam.. there are 3 stages. I'm a person who really lazy to type, that's why i just reply as simple as i can.. sorry for that..
May the light shine of these who see no hatred for those are my allies and kind people
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WHAT IS TOTALLY HARAAM WILL ALWAYS REMAIN TOTALLY HARAAM (PROHIBITED) AND WILL NEVER BE ACCEPTED NO MATTER HOW MANY SINNERS TRY TO MAKE IT SEEM ACCEPTABLE...
innovating religion used to be a sin in islam, but then the ahadith were created
so this new islam with muhamed was not accepted by most people
the quran is about Isa but he was a Jew, and Arabs like to hate Jews, so in the 9th century they created this innovation ahadith and now muhamed is the new prophet of this haram sect called islam
worfoz what you just said doesn’t make any sense whatsoever, could you please elaborate?
@@alizagmout1133 It would make sense to you if you had read your quran, my friend
but you are brainwashed to believe in this muhamed
so you are discouraged to read
how does it make sense to you that you reject the prophet of your quran, only because he was a Jew, from the House of Israel? What does your quran say about prophethood and scriptures in 29:27? When was the first time any book mentions this muhamed?
If you can answer these simple questions (which you can NOT), then islam would NOT make any sense to you BUT my comment will reveal the truth.
So read, and if you distrust what I told you, please check all my claims: the quran is not a book of islam, it's a Gospel, about the person and message of this Jew Isa, a.k.a. Jesus, and the quran is entirely based on these early Christian, non-triniterian Gospels: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Gospels (all but the Canonical gospels)
Islam did not just fall from the skies, it was fabricated by caliphs and it took them centuries to create this muhamedanims we know today. Study the sources and you'll see.
The Quran is itself a miracle of Allah. The Quran has never been proved wrong; scientifically or otherwise. While the Bible has been proven contradictory and scientifically wrong on many occasions. The Bible also refers to a Prophet that would come after Jesus (indicating Muhammad pbuh).
@@worfoz ok boomer, go be an Islamophobe somewhere else, when ever your type of people talk about islam, it always false statements with no supporting evidence to even back it up. and im not gonna explain it to you why islam is a beutiful religion. I have also never discriminated against any other religion and atheism. If thats the religion they want to be then cool, but you can be more respectful and do more research on islam.
Homosexuality causes so much depression and pain
Cause of homophobic and traditional people all ways on their business
Food or caffeine are much less important than being able to love freely.
I bet you can't define love
@@naj5045 defining love with just rational reason and arguments? no, not possible
@@les-fauxmonnayeurs9887 that's the problem if we can't define it, it can be used as a slogan for anything.
@@naj5045 not really. Just because there is no "rational reasoning" it doesn't mean it can't be understood :) also there are plenty of definitions in modern psychology. Which perspective you want to chose is up to you.
@@naj5045 I'd worry more about slogans that are ruining people's lifes rather than slogan promoting love
We all are gaining much more from these discussions. I am watching it from Kashmir. All lectures are perfectly combined . Great panel.
Yes indeed if you are straight and muslim plus white !
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This video exposes homosexuals lies
Ya Allah protect us all and expose all these fitnas ameen
Very great talk. As a gay Muslim born and raised in Canada, videos like this make my faith stronger.
@V For Victory Its possible. They are not mutually exclusive
yeah allhamdulliah im also
Honestly brother beware of the liberals who will try to persuade you that you are oppressed because Islam says you can’t act upon your homosexual, but islam is not about following your desires my brother but it is about submitting to God even if it goes against yourself as this life is a test your obedience to God.
i have no opinion on whether being gay or lesbian can be reconciled with being a Muslim, christian or jew. it would have been good to have some folks from the glbtq community on the panel who actually know what they are talking about. to equate being gay lesbian or bi with overeating or drinking is deeply ignorant and insulting..
Do you believe that if you marry a person of the same gender is sinful too or just sexual acts?
That's my point. They don't even talk about "love"
It is
its not considered as marriage in Islam and yes its a major sin but having desires to sleep with same sex is not sinful. the sexual act is one make it sinful
@@darkstar4102 why tho it's normal
@@samsharples1738 Normal? if you mean in western 21st century standard then yes, but if go back just 50 years ago it was crime in all west countries, most Africa and Asia reject it. to make easier to understand its like comparing to Incest. incest at moment is seen as disgusting act but maybe in 50-60 years from now that could change. people follow whatever they desire and choose that as law. which I am totally against
Assalamualaikum, As we know that as a muslim we are allowed to love someone and get married to the person we love, but what if we feel like or we have a strong feeling that we love someone from the same gender. What should we do than?
We should power through these things. Everyone has a different struggle which are sometimes life long. We fight these things cuz we hear Allahs order and we obey.
Its not just about attractive or sexual feeling, towards opposite gender which is a struggle, sometimes these feelings maybe towards someone you cannot get because that person does not like you back or is toxic for you, or is not a Muslim or is married already or anything! In all these circumstances you have to believe and submit to what ALLAH wants from you, and we as humble dust cannot question why he made us go through these trials we just need to make dua for saber and be strong. I have gone through the above although it may not be same sex attractions, but either way it is a struggle to not let your nafs or sexual thoughts and hormones take over you and not let love of another fill the place that should be Allah's in your heart.
If people justify homosexuality with it being a natural urge or something that nature has put in them...or it being an inner call or something..then even a robber can demand legalization of robbery or forgery claiming it to be his impulse or an urge coming from within...then we will hv to legalize that as well...then people will keep on coming with their own personal instincts demanding their legalization...we need to understand that not all the urges that we hv need to be pampered and caressed...we should be suppressing them rather than acting upon them .we should learn to live by the limits of religion..and not push the limits past the boundaries.....dear I would suggest u to make lots of dua to Allah swt to help u fight ur nafs..plz do not give in to ur desires...make sincere dua to Allah seeking refuge from shaytan(the outcast)...read the Qur'an and listen to the translation...verily in the remembrance of Allah do hearts find peace..I too shall pray for u...may Allah ease ur hardships dear
You shouldn't listen those who don't care about your feelings. They are basically saying fuck you off and suffer for the rest of your life. Don't listen to them, they are ignorants. Talk with LGTBI people, we are hundreds of milions in the world, be yourself and fight for your rights. Fighting against what you are and always will be, against your nature and against love only will make you extremely unhappy, anxious or depressed until one day everthing blows up.
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Intention and feelings are nothing
Actions matter
- Panel -
Actions are nothing. It is the intention that matters.
- Prophet Muhammad -
I think, be it from the prophet or the panel, things are rarely either black or white, they are most of the time several shades of grey
Adil El Nhaily , Innamal aamalu binniyaat (Prophet Muhammad)
@@rkhan722 المقال لا يكفي يا أخي
Intentions and feelings are different things tho. Feelings are natural and so can't be classified as good or bad. Intentions which can lead to actions are counted by Allah SWT . Allah SWT acknowledges our good intentions and rewards us according to them while ignoring our bad intentions. This is His mercy, to ignore the negativity we have in our hearts. Actions, because they affect us - whether we believe they do or not - and those around us, are either judged positively gaining us praise or negatively gaining us punishment. At least, that's what I've learnt so far.
Intentions and feelings still matter though. If you are thinking of doing soem major sin and reveal it, you are bound to be troubled. Doing the action itself is even worse.
I'm a transgender female and I have no desire to cleanse myself of being in a relationship with a male. Homosexuality is not a sin in my eyes. I have no need to change and I'm not a Muslim. I feel for the people who are Muslim and are homosexuals and their lives are restricted by the Muslim laws.
Laws make us strong, freedom and good times makes us weak...your weak
Mash Allah that was an amazing advice May Allah guide us to the right path
Aameen
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This video exposes homosexuals lies
Ya Allah protect us all and expose all these fitnas ameen
It was full of unsubstantiated opinions. Just rubbish.
special words cannot change the truth. for your knowledge quran does not need any person to look after it Allah will protect it. try to translate it as it is not in the way which is convenient to us.no need of scholars just need healthy mind.
"so me as a Muslim, i should not feel shy to say these are (homophobia) my principles 🤦♀️🤮 sob7ana allah! 🤮🤦♀️
Elhamdülillah l from Türkiye but currently live in Australia, first of all it's not what desires we have that's important. We have to know the Sins and Haraam before we can act on what we feel. I'm 59 yrs old as you grow up you get all soughts of thoughts and feelings but you have to know what's right and wrong. And keep away from the sins. My father sent me to the mosque to learn Islam and dua when l was young 15 yrs old. I believe because l learnt the dua and Salah and listen to Muslim Scholars now, like Omar Suleiman, Hamza Yusuf, and Turkish Scholars. And try harder to be better Muslim the evil thoughts go away. Dua is most important with Dua Angels protect Us from evil. Muslims and good people have to keep doing what is right and eventually all will be well. Just have hope and pray to Allah. I also believe migrant a should all return to their homeland and build their own countries to be much better. Why are you staying in America they destroyed all Muslim countries and you all still stay there. Look now the have transgender a coming and teaching children in schools those children are going to have problems that no one will be able to help.
I absolutely agree with zeynepazman - Muslims should return to thier country of origin or parents country of origin. Wise person!
Your presence destroys our sense of self and culture here in UK and USA! Islam is like the Cuckoo that lives in another birds nest to benefit from food and comforts but bears no resemblance to the rightful owners of the nest.
I notice that the Muslim scholars skirt around the issue as so much is taboo!
God save the King ( Head of the Church of England)
Alhamdoulilah! Only needed to watch the first 15 minutes and I finally get to see a panel who all agrees and simplifies the issue.
Yeah, it’s easy for heterosexuals to simplify alternate sexual minorities’ feelings. It’s easy for them to tell lgbt people to suppress their feelings of love and affection, while the heterosexuals can enjoy sex, love, affection, intimacy ! Hypocrites ha! Ask a heterosexual to pick between Allah’s reward or enjoying sex. I’m sure they all will choose sex over Allah!! Ask a heterosexual not to “act” upon their sexual desires and live a celibate life to go get Allah’s reward. I’m sure the heterosexuals will leave Islam and will chose sex! Ask that question to yourself: would you give up sex, love, intimacy for life, if you were promised some imaginary afterlife reward? No! You would not pick to live a loveless, sexless life. True!
@@user-sc3gn6be3h thats not a good argument. Everyone has something they have to suppress. Everyone has sins they commit. All were saying is as Muslims, Allah has given us rules to follow while we live in this world, that's it. There are Muslims who have feelings towards the same sex but at the end of the day we have free will to choose whether we act on those urges or not. Know one is saying it's easy but it's a choice whether to to obey Allah or not.
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I wish all of islam and its adherents were as calm and reasonable on such contentious issues as these worthy participants.
Great panel. I love these explanations on identity, feelings and actions. It's unfortunate to restrict identity only to one's desires!
Are you gay or lesbian or bisexual? If not, perhaps you don't have the right to tell other people who are that they should settle for being second-class citizens within your religion who must submerge their true selves in order to please your god.
Dor Arie submittance to our all knowing Creator is for our own benefit, not His. The next time you create a universe then maybe we’ll pay attention to your view.
@@hashmo101 ima be honest I think can figure out what benefits me and what doesn't
@@lovelyhomeboy2782 let me know how that works out for you
@@hashmo101 aight I will come back in 10 years if I remember this coneversation
I watch this cause I am having relationship with Islam
This was painful to watch. You are what you are. God should love you whether you are gay or straight. Teaching people to repress their true sexuality is just so oppressive. This is so sad.
lol
they are punishing themselves i feel so lucky I was not born in islam.
Do you know what is evil? Speaking out a fatwa against humans love by same sex people . Love is the greatest gift of life. Speaking out a fatwa is a criminal act!
The host needs to thank and acknowledge the speaker who just finished talking before moving on to the next speaker.
Also the favoritism for one panelists or the others is awkward 😬
I feel these answers are dodging the question. Because you would automatically assume that a person that is claiming to be homosexual is already engaging in homosexual activity in most circumstances so does islam except what they are doing or about to do ? And the answer is no. There is no loophole or special cases. Its a hard NO. It’s a sin.
Agree. One who smokes is a smoker. One whos addicted to drug is a drug addict. One who loves drinking is an alcoholic. The more we dodge homosexuality issue and being apologetic about it, sugarcoating it the more we are not helping those who needs help and indirectly giving homosexual activists a platform to spread the bad influence.
i am attracted to both genders and its a struggle. I know i cant act it out and i try to stay strong but man thats hard!! I am excited to watch this!
You are literally precious for God, He made u, and He can only understand that how hard it is, whatever u do never lose hope and trust God, He's always there for you no matter what🤗💕 God bless u dear
You have two options in my opinion !
Live your life or live the others !
Both comes with a price !
This conference disseminates ignorance !
why are you self loathing because of religion
@@robertjsmith good question. im not self loathing.. well im trying not to be. but can i ask you a question before answering yours? are you muslim? cause (no offense) but i think just religious/muslim ppl can understand me :)
@@Cyny123 evangelical christians are just the same as muslims regarding gay issues,bigotry is the same wether religious or not.religion poisons everything,your not born a muslim,you dont have to believe these stories.
Allah doesn't say don't love anyone, of course you can love your friends and help them if they need help, and go out to each other's to see how are they. You can chat and be best of friends, BUT you can not love each other for sexual desires that is forbidden by Allah. (God ).
Subhanallah how can any Muslim stand up for qawmi lut? O Muslims please don’t listen to these deceivers who deceive and confuse our youths!
Qawmi Lut!
Man the end of times near. There is so much confusion in the Ummah.
they mean their human rights, not their actions
Couldn't they have got a gay Muslim up there? Imagine having a discussion about Islam with no Muslims.
It is forbidden full stop and it is haram
People of lut as where destroyed because of the same haram acts they did
To all the people insulting the Muslim faith in the comments: don’t practice social imperialism and force your social norms on other cultures and disrespect other religions. Stop asking everyone to validate your behaviors.
It seems ironic that these ladies and gentleman dismiss the term homophobe as a term to describe someone who disagrees with homosexuality, but they gladly use the term Islamophobe to describe folks who disagree with Islam.
Exactly!
Just listen to any other muslim scholar you will hear the truth this ladies can't describe the Islam
@@JawedSelALG what truth?
I am watching from Bangsamoro, Philippines. Great host and panelists. Very illuminating and insightful discussion.
Why is being in a loving, consensual relationship a sin? Allah made me a lesbian, asexual pangender person, and I trust that He has a purpose for doing this. Allah is all-loving, and so I find it hard to believe that my all-loving God forbids me to act upon my heart to be happy in marriage and parenthood and life with a partner or wife.
You have to differentiate between LOVE and LUST, homosexuality, is about LUST not LOVE ... And when Allah create something, it doesn't mean it's okay to have.
You have to remember Allah created evil, hunger, pain, oppression, and he also created satan, not because he created something we just go and accept it as something not wrong, Allah created right and wrong in life as a TEST my friend.. Allah has a wisdom that we human can't understand.
You also have to know that Allah test us with things we are capable to overcome.
True happiness isn't in this life, it's in the afterlife.
@@eyadhajisa-i587 Homosexuality is not lust. Lust is a desire for sex, right? Well, I have the desire to be in a romantic relationship with a girl (despite being born female myself). However, I never want to have sex with anyone.
@@eyadhajisa-i587 if sexual relationship is lust, the Straight muslims shouldnt be having sex either besides for procreation. You call other struggles as "test" from a hypothetical being, while carrying with the discrimination of actual real people ?
From your descriptions, Allah doesnt sound like a good man, rather an asshole.
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You want to have a romantic relationship with a girl without needing to have sex with her ... Then that means it's not a romantic relationship... It just means a normal loving sisterhood relationship.
Homosexuality is about sex with the same gender.
"sex" is the key word in homosexuality, it means the desire to have sex with the same gender, if there's no desire to have sex with the same gender then that's just normal kind of love, and not homosexuality.
@@eyadhajisa-i587 You are aware that asexual people can still have romantic relationships that aren’t sisterly? You do know that not all marriages and partners need/want to have sex? I don’t want a ‘sister’, I want a girlfriend or a wife. The reason I don’t want to have sex ids because I was sexually assaulted last year and now I’m terrified of any sexual encounters.
The blind leading the blind. You laugh now, you'll cry tomorrow.
As a Muslim, I still struggle to understand why the speakers are not dealing deeply with the issue instead of just asking these individuals who have feelings and desires for the same sex to never to be translated into actions. This approach is in my opinion unfair, when heterosexual feelings are encouraged to be felt and actions upon these feelings are encouraged within halal and healthy sexual activity with each other’s spouses. At the end of the day, the question must be asked, if these feelings of being attracted with only the same sex are a reality, we must ask ourselves about the wisdom in the Quran when Allah questions the morality of approaching men with lust instead of women. Why does Allah questions it when no solution is provided in the Quran for these feelings or actions to help these individuals.