Y’know, I was never a big fan of fretted violins, but your explanation of needing a landmark when playing in loud rock bands makes a lot of sense. I get why fretted violins need to exist now!
There aren’t very many loud rock bands with violinists, if they do include the violin, it is typically only in one or two songs over the span of their entire career.
@@codascheuer8426 No it's not ,it's true. Do a little online research and find out how many rock bands had permanent violinist as a member of the band.The vast majority brought in a violinist for a specific song or two throughout the span of their career. And if the violinist got to go on tour with the band and play on the loud stage they make these little things called stickers that you put on a violin when you're learning to play.I'm sure that they could bust out some stickers if they needed the markers because they couldn't hear their instrument right next to their ear.
I think it is crazy how some people straight up hate this concept. As if music should not be accessible. I play the guitar but I would really like to learn to play the violin one day and these frets could be a good starting point. It certainly won't be easy one way or another.
Every single beginner violinist has tape on there violin. As a guitarist who is now also playing standing bass you don’t need the tape forever. There is little to no point to pay extra to have an instrument with permanent fake frets when masking tape or a pencil does the same thing.
@@Eli-el1he I'm not against it, but by faaar it's not every single beginner. Actually I've never seen it in real life, only heard it that especially kids use it in the very beginning.
They used to make these instruments called “Viols” back in the baroque era, they were like a violin (and other string instruments) but they were quieter and had frets.
It’s kinda strange w/Matt calling me a, “silly goose”, but, I also didn’t think of how a fretted fiddle might actually still be able to slur it up like a drunken sailor, as you did here. Mind blown..
When playing a fretted violin, do you finger on the fret or between the frets? When I was learning to play the viola da gambling, I was taught to touch the fret itself, not the space in between them.
Yeah - you play more or less on top of them. They're laid out in equal temperament, so you can't trust them all the way. They basically provide really nice landmarks that are better than nothing when you're in a bad situation. Say you're in a rock band and you step away from your amp for a second or if your in-ear battery dies or if you're trying to sing and play at the same time with a wonky monitor (not that any of these things would ever happen - lol)
The sad part is that knowing about this religious war over whether a violin is allowed to have frets or not is what stopped me from looking for a violin teacher.
@@ElectricViolinShop I just wish the understood modern styles. I'm sure if they did an improvised violin bass battle with chop and modern techniques, they'd lose. Classical playing isn't everything. It be nice if they learned it "for the greater groove " see what I did there? 😏
I thought frets on violins are only like lines painted on hahaha. I never thought they are actually frets. Because you don't hear the fingers running through the frets when you glissando like on guitar.
Me as one of these so called “purist” have no problem with fretted violins it’s electronic violins is what makes me cringe a professional violinist can produce sound loud enough for an auditorium so to think that people aren’t able to play loudly with a violin to the point that have to be buffed with an amp pains me deeply.
The frets on these are low, which is why you can still do glissando/vibrato. You can still play quarter tones on them if you want to, they're just there as a tactile guide for your fingers
@@tacocatdeboss7665 You don't have to mash a violin string down hard to the freboard to make it play. Therefore you can skate over the top of the frets without engaging them.
They're not for everybody. Honestly, if I'm playing classical music in an environment where I can hear myself well, they're just in the way. But that's not how I usually roll.
Not very much. If you do an A/B comparison of a fretted and fretless violin and you listen really close, you can hear the difference. If I played a violin and asked you to guess if it was fretted or fretless, you'd have a much harder time - except that the fretted one would be more likely to be in tune.
@@ElectricViolinShop awesome, so I have another question. I'm a guitarist, and I'm looking to pickup electric violin. I know the tuning is GDAE, I'm wondering if I could tune it to a guitar tuning of EADG, and kind of the mix the two, because I mean if they have frets, it's not a stretch that the tuning could work both ways, but I'm not a violinist, I'm not sure theyre transferable. Cool video though, you got my sub.
@@formattmusic1359you would probably have to find some alternative strings, because tuning the standard violin strings into EADG would require tuning some strings way too tight and some way too loose. But anyway, DGBE would be more convenient, because it's the highest 4 of the guitar. If you want an easy way to practice playing in GDAE tuning, get a mandolin. You'll see that the tuning makes a whole lot of sense on a small instrument like that and it's actually not difficult at all.
I'm very confused. If they are for visual cues why do they need to be raised? Besides, string players don't mainly use audio cues to play in tune. If a soloist heard that they played out of tune, it'd already be too late because they already played the out of tune note, even if they correct it afterwards. String players have to trust the decades of practice to make sure they play in tune. And if you can't hear yourself it probably means you're playing in tune. At least that is the case when I'm in an orchestra. The playing-in-tune and having-visual-cues arguments therefore make little sense to me
Y’know, I was never a big fan of fretted violins, but your explanation of needing a landmark when playing in loud rock bands makes a lot of sense. I get why fretted violins need to exist now!
nobody is buying them
then you place stickers for reference points, like you do when you first learn to play
There aren’t very many loud rock bands with violinists, if they do include the violin, it is typically only in one or two songs over the span of their entire career.
@@numsixber Well that was was an incredibly stupid response
@@codascheuer8426
No it's not ,it's true. Do a little online research and find out how many rock bands had permanent violinist as a member of the band.The vast majority brought in a violinist for a specific song or two throughout the span of their career. And if the violinist got to go on tour with the band and play on the loud stage they make these little things called stickers that you put on a violin when you're learning to play.I'm sure that they could bust out some stickers if they needed the markers because they couldn't hear their instrument right next to their ear.
I’m going to get rich & invent / patent a fretted electric violin with locking nuts & a whammy bar to dive bomb with. 🎻
I’m no violinist but how would you grab the whammy bar? With your tongue?
@@Blockoumi Yeah. Both of our hands are pretty busy. And someone already invented a Whammy pedal.
@@ElectricViolinShop oh yeah, forgot about that lol. There goes my get rich idea & now it’s back to powerball tickets.
😂
@@ElectricViolinShop ooowee! That riff was definitely HOT DAMN! level of good sass
When he said “sacrilegious nonsense” I died of laughter because I get the reference
If anyone gets snippy about the frets just call it a viol and claim to prefer the subtlety of traditional instruments. Then enjoy their sputtering.
That violin really said “💀“
I think it is crazy how some people straight up hate this concept. As if music should not be accessible. I play the guitar but I would really like to learn to play the violin one day and these frets could be a good starting point. It certainly won't be easy one way or another.
Every single beginner violinist has tape on there violin. As a guitarist who is now also playing standing bass you don’t need the tape forever. There is little to no point to pay extra to have an instrument with permanent fake frets when masking tape or a pencil does the same thing.
@@Eli-el1he I'm not against it, but by faaar it's not every single beginner. Actually I've never seen it in real life, only heard it that especially kids use it in the very beginning.
As a bass player, if I had somebody yelling at me every time I didn’t play a fretless I’d probably go insane.
They used to make these instruments called “Viols” back in the baroque era, they were like a violin (and other string instruments) but they were quieter and had frets.
Viols are fun, and they're sort of like bizarro world violin family instruments.
By far my favorite electric violin I've seen on this channel is the V
It’s kinda strange w/Matt calling me a, “silly goose”, but, I also didn’t think of how a fretted fiddle might actually still be able to slur it up like a drunken sailor, as you did here. Mind blown..
They are just lines on the fingerboard not real frets
That skull one looks like something Apocalyptica would use
Frets will probably help in such a scenario, but I think it won't replace proper in-ear monitoring.
The people who don’t like this really shouldn’t fret
Good one!
Baritone dudes and bassist going wild after he called that itty bitty neck a long boi
That was a really good tune though at the beginning
Would be pretty cool to see the violin solo from Lazaretto by Jack White but with distortion
That sounded like the lick right before the bridge to Tarantula by the Smashing Pumpkins
😂 "you silly goose!"🪿 My new cussword replacement.
When playing a fretted violin, do you finger on the fret or between the frets? When I was learning to play the viola da gambling, I was taught to touch the fret itself, not the space in between them.
Yeah - you play more or less on top of them. They're laid out in equal temperament, so you can't trust them all the way. They basically provide really nice landmarks that are better than nothing when you're in a bad situation. Say you're in a rock band and you step away from your amp for a second or if your in-ear battery dies or if you're trying to sing and play at the same time with a wonky monitor (not that any of these things would ever happen - lol)
You remind me of Georgie from Young Sheldon
Don't know why🤣🤣🤣🤣
I don't suppose you sell any viola da gamba's, especially ones with more than the usual 7 frets?
This reminds me of a lapsteel guitar
Big no no
I really love the violin on the bottom left in the background! Is that a Baroque like violin?
Well, um, now I'm willing to play violin
Electric hurdygurdy tried it yet plz do
I need on of these
The sad part is that knowing about this religious war over whether a violin is allowed to have frets or not is what stopped me from looking for a violin teacher.
I want one. My guitar soloing transfers so smoothly. Great business model. Untapped. Shut up and take my money!
My upright bass teacher had frett dot ls professionally put into his bass neck and said that it doesn't matter as long as you are in tunes
😄 🤣 nice. I wish TWOSETVIOLIN could see this.
Oh yes, I’m sure they’ll have some very open minded insights.
@@ElectricViolinShop I just wish the understood modern styles. I'm sure if they did an improvised violin bass battle with chop and modern techniques, they'd lose. Classical playing isn't everything. It be nice if they learned it "for the greater groove " see what I did there? 😏
@@8Phoenix8 Two Set doesn't understand ANYTHING. They are e-celebrities
@@alessandrorossi1294 I disagree. Being an orch dork I get it
@@alessandrorossi1294 how?. They are just classical violinist lol
Is it possible to convert the fingerboard of Yev104 to a fingerboard with fret?
Possible? Of course. Do I know anyone who does it? No.
these frets are so cursed 😭
I thought frets on violins are only like lines painted on hahaha. I never thought they are actually frets. Because you don't hear the fingers running through the frets when you glissando like on guitar.
Sounds kinda countryish but it might just be what he played
Hey man. Chad Kroeger just called me. He's wanting to know when you're going to give him his hair back?
I say, if you put frets on, you should tune in 4ths and a major third and call it an electric viol :-)
So where would I find something like this in the UK please
You probably wouldn't. We ship to the UK, though.
How does glissando works on a fretted violin?
like that
Viola de Gamba has left the chat
“All the purists are ᒪᓰᖽᐸᘿ- ᕴᓰ᙭ᖻ
Was that a twoset reference? 😆
Yep. 👍🏾
Yeah, like I don't know if the violin player for Ne Obliviscaris has frets, but he's definitely not wrong if he does
lets say ima guitarist, a very reasonable one at that....how hard is it to play one of these.
I'd start playing it like a bass or ukulele
That sir, is a fiddle.
They're the same thing
@@fakeguccisneakers6620 Thanks! I understand now. I can die happy.
Can it do chords better than a fretless or no?
Look up "The Little House I Used To Live In" by Frank Zappa if you want to hear the most sickest violin in a rock song
I saw someone using a fingerboard to help them play once and this other guy was so disgusted 😂
Long fret board..... I'll have you know.
most string players know where the notes are by instict so its redundant
Says someone who has never been on stage other than a high school concert.
@@johnjriggsarchery2457 Your not invalidating my point your just failing to attack me
If you have bals, play it like a guitar
Me as one of these so called “purist” have no problem with fretted violins it’s electronic violins is what makes me cringe a professional violinist can produce sound loud enough for an auditorium so to think that people aren’t able to play loudly with a violin to the point that have to be buffed with an amp pains me deeply.
Stand next to a drum kit and then call me.
Can it have distortion
Oh yes.
When did you start playing violin?
A long, long time ago.
Someone tell 2 set about this. 😂
Are they actually fretted or are those lines just drawn on there??
Sacreligious
🤣🤣
ling ling 40 hours!!!!
lol
But do you have a true temperament fretted viola?
There are no true temperament frets. Equal temperament? Yes.
@@ElectricViolinShop So there’s a whole in the market for nerds with good ears
@@ElectricViolinShopsome guitars have true temperament frets, so it's possible on violins too!
Can u Shred on this?
Say goodbye to semitones
The frets on these are low, which is why you can still do glissando/vibrato. You can still play quarter tones on them if you want to, they're just there as a tactile guide for your fingers
:)
I mean technically they aren't even frets so all is well I guess?
Oh, they’re actual frets. You just use them a little differently than guitar players do.
@@ElectricViolinShop Oh neat, i thought they werent raised cuz that gliss sounded so smooth. Just goes to show its in the skill of the player i guess
@@tacocatdeboss7665 You don't have to mash a violin string down hard to the freboard to make it play. Therefore you can skate over the top of the frets without engaging them.
Viol ent J
So are they frets or more like markers?
They’ve physically frets. If you’re smart, though, you use them more like tapes.
@@ElectricViolinShop awesome love your videos
@@ElectricViolinShop You can get them different heights too yes? And aren't Wood violins standard frets lower than Jordan standard? For instance?
Why wouldn't one want to take advantage of frets?
They're not for everybody. Honestly, if I'm playing classical music in an environment where I can hear myself well, they're just in the way. But that's not how I usually roll.
@@ElectricViolinShop I'm a guitarist....and, since we're not in Herr Mozart's times, unfretted instruments strike me as pointless.
Haha referencing twoset?
Gamba frets are not the same…
i guess my only question, do the fret change the tone at all?
Not very much. If you do an A/B comparison of a fretted and fretless violin and you listen really close, you can hear the difference. If I played a violin and asked you to guess if it was fretted or fretless, you'd have a much harder time - except that the fretted one would be more likely to be in tune.
@@ElectricViolinShop awesome, so I have another question. I'm a guitarist, and I'm looking to pickup electric violin. I know the tuning is GDAE, I'm wondering if I could tune it to a guitar tuning of EADG, and kind of the mix the two, because I mean if they have frets, it's not a stretch that the tuning could work both ways, but I'm not a violinist, I'm not sure theyre transferable. Cool video though, you got my sub.
@@formattmusic1359you would probably have to find some alternative strings, because tuning the standard violin strings into EADG would require tuning some strings way too tight and some way too loose. But anyway, DGBE would be more convenient, because it's the highest 4 of the guitar.
If you want an easy way to practice playing in GDAE tuning, get a mandolin. You'll see that the tuning makes a whole lot of sense on a small instrument like that and it's actually not difficult at all.
I'm very confused. If they are for visual cues why do they need to be raised?
Besides, string players don't mainly use audio cues to play in tune. If a soloist heard that they played out of tune, it'd already be too late because they already played the out of tune note, even if they correct it afterwards. String players have to trust the decades of practice to make sure they play in tune.
And if you can't hear yourself it probably means you're playing in tune. At least that is the case when I'm in an orchestra.
The playing-in-tune and having-visual-cues arguments therefore make little sense to me
They're raised slightly. Not high enough to stop the string, but high enough for you to feel when they're touching the fret.
People are going to hell for making such an abomination
Cry now
Well what do you have to lose, the fiddle is the devils instrument already; ever heard that story in Georgia?
You ain't lying homie I like mine and drop d