The Death of the Internet Archive
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How dare the plebs read anything pre-2020.
Yeah, they are supposed to consume A.I generated slop, and nothing more than that.
communsists seeking to rewrite history again for the (counts fingers) I don't have enough fingers.
@@arcadealchemist There are not enough fingers out of all of humanity to count the times commies have attempted to rewrite history.
reminds me of 1984, where the party destroys all historical information so that no one can ever really know what the past was like except the elderly who were mostly killed too.
Exactly. That’s the main reason that IA is so important. One can’t even use google’s search engine anymore, unless you are only interested in reading one of the the five articles that it pulls up, 200 times in a row, when you try to research any given topic.
If buying isn't ownership than piracy isn't theft. this is the motto of the internet long may it stand
💯
its no different than leaving a book at a train station after you finish reading it.
@@METALFREAK03 It's like putting up ad posters on every street corner with cheap free samples the original creator never has to pay for. Corporations have actually killed for that kind of advertising, but they hate it because it means they have to compete fairly on the market, and they would do anything to increase their bureaucratic lifestyle instead of improving the business they are pretending they made.
@@METALFREAK03 The difference here is that leaving a book on a train does not lead to the book getting copied online. What usually happens is that some other schmuck reads it, then leaves it on the train. SCANNING books on for-profit websites that use server infrastructure which requires payment to be rented out in the first place is illegal for a reason and ANYONE who uses the argument in favour of it is an idiot, namely, you'd have to be dumber than Mr Balldo Rekeita himself in a court of law to make such a statement. One of my persisting and ever-entient observations is the constant and borderline suicidal campaign of self-defeating behaviour committed by the pro-piracy and especially the pro-Internet Archive people. Especially considering how hypocritical and legally inept they are when it comes to copyright law.
You own the disc not the contents on the disc! Literally on the back of virtually any gaming case on the back of you lot bother to read it will say you do not own the rights to the IP and contents of the disc. You own the disc you own the right to use the contents of the disc the IP etc for your playing of the game but not the right to redistribute through piracy! Modding etc. it literally tells you that at any given moment you can be locked out of online play for games like black ops 1 etc.
>Won't or can't reprint books
>Gets mad when people find them online for free
>"How dare you read those for free"
>Deletes them
>Doesn't make them available for purchase
Book publishers 🤝 Game publishers
The Way Back Machine would be a lot more effective website if certain people who evidently don't believe in freedom of information and free speech would refrain from removing certain aspects of their internet archive.
As it stands it is the repository of our culture, and a wonderful resource that *must* be maintained. Almost everything good this country produced - i.e. that pre-1940 - is there.
The real question is why one would bother maintaining a system like the Wayback Machine if they didn't believe in freedom of information and free speech, which the people who run the Wayback Machine clearly don't. I have to imagine that maintaining an archive of the internet's entire history is costly both in terms of money and time.
@@HunterStiles651 they got old and changed their world view
@@HunterStiles651: It shouldn't have been necessary to begin with, but the nature of technology being as it is, it's always good to keep a backup. Unfortunately, many websites that got taken down themselves, were eventually purged from the Way Back Machine too.
@@HunterStiles651it’s very convenient for anyone who wants to alter things to have it all stored in a single place. That’s why someone is bankrolling it
I would download a car. I'd download a house. I'd download an entire country. That's right. And there's nothing you can do to stop me.
Except a $9,000/day fine
@@sdrc92126 Who's gonna make me pay it?
@@sdrc92126
Tell that to the Chinese.
@sdrc92126 For a car, house, AND a country? That’s honestly not a bad deal
@@sdrc92126 Who's gonna enforce it?
People wouldn't pirate so much if getting the product legally was easier, not everything Archive had was possible to get in any other way
Pirating wouldn't be a thing if "We Completionists" didn't exist. Yet we exist, GFYS.
You cannot find all of GTA San Andreas, or every Adventure Time Episode [complete, unedited episodes,] and any evidence that Han Solo freaking shot first.
A great deal of it was the sort of stuff you could only find in the storage area of an old library, and thus wouldn't even know of without it being in your internet search results.
A good deal is frankly unavailable to any normal person without the archive, which is probably the reasoning to get rid of it.
It's not just the price of the product. Why should I have to buy a product that only gives me a ultimately time limited licence disguised as a "purchase"? As Louis Rossmann argues in many a video.
@@tgheretford Louis Rossmann isn't pro-Piracy. He's anti-Corporations screwing people over. If you pirated a $70 game just because it's outrageous that it costs $70, he would say that's wrong. In other words, if he looks like a shifty dirtbag and talks like a shifty dirtbag, don't be surprised when he turns out to be a shifty dirtbag.
@@HunterStiles651 I never said that.
YES. The uncle of Taylor Lorenz is the Internet Archive guy who conveniently erased all her past internet history. Acting like they were preserving the history of the internet, all the while selectively choosing what to erase. Bad, corrupt information is worse than no information.
Well... if you controlled all of the information and one of your family members was a royal embarrassment... you wouldn't purge their activity?
>The uncle
Every1 who is not terminally online immediately understands it.
They're family. Blood is thicker than water. Simple as.
That phrase doesn't mean what you think it means.
"The blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb."
@@AlvorReal I mean sure, but it's an awkward family reunion when you're hosting your family's dirty laundry for all to see.
@@strongback6550 sure its only human, but he still has to pay for doing it.
He who controls the past, controls the future,
And he who controls the present controls the past.
@@eveningprimrose3088 If you call the national socialists of Italy and Germany right wing, you can call right wingers national socialists (just use the the abbreviated version so they don't get confused/ask questions)
That's a black legend spread about historians by the wild guess merchants who call themselves futurists.
We got a philosopher over here
Now Testify
this has nothing to do with copyright, it's censorship
Copyright = censorship, it is the exclusive right (government granted monopoly) to copy or distribute anything, if you see someone else even quote you you can sue.
its j ewi sh
oh absolutely does, this is the direct result of intellectual "property" laws, everyone who denies this is coping
Copywrong is merely one of many tools.
There was no way that Internet Archive was going to be allowed to keep immunity to DMCA protection forever. If people want to store roms, they better buy some hard drives and do it themselves.
That's how I'm unhappy, and own everything.
Thats called joining the PC Master Race.
@@dannyblitz2122 Are you sure about that? I got links..... (Looks around nervously)
@@seananon4893 Until you get sued by Activision, lose, cry on the Internet like an idiot lolcow, get laughed at for being an idiot lolcow and run away into the dark.
Way ahead of you.
Part of the reason why copyright law is as ridiculous as it is, is because Disney fought very hard to keep Steamboat Willie out of the public domain for as long as possible. Just is case you needed another reason to hate Disney.
American copyrights utterly ridiculous I mean no doorman on a kids grave
Sonny Bono and the Mickey Protection Act were an early, early internet meme.
You don't hate Disney enough.
didn't Disney get an extension on Steamboat Willie copyright in recent years?
@vm68chris eh, if everyone else wasn’t going to challenge Disney in their own game and make actual good content with public domain stuff and just make horror versions for the lulz, I’m gonna side with the big corpos in keeping their stuff.
Mark my words, the Wayback Machine is next to get canned.
Anything inconvenient to Big Corpo, and especially The Narrative™️ will be erased.
Library of Alexander
Anything inconvenient to the small hats
Wayback machine is a website archiver/snapshot tool, DMCA and Copyright don't apply.
@DxBlack Yes but the ‘people’ who make these copyright laws can simply say it applies now. Laws are written by people who want to benefit from them
This is what I’ve been worried about since last year when people became smart enough to save their receipts to prove the government wrong
Yea.
People say "internet is forever"
Ive been saying since the begining, only as long as it stays plugged in.
Only Ae-Nasir's poor quality copper is forever.
@@harbl99 'is it not baked brick, and strong?'
@@harbl99 I thought we had it bad in the age of Twitter, but imagine getting canceled for some shit you did 3774 years ago. Damn.
In their defense the point of that saying is more to do with people being able to dig up what you did on the internet to make you look horrible than so much literally claiming everything on the internet will always exist.
All that information is still stored somewhere, you know. RUclips for example has entire warehouses where they physically store all of the content uploaded to the site. They store things by the _exabytes_ not giga or terrabyte. Even if the internet is 'unplugged' the data still exists on a physical drive somewhere. This is actually one of the main reasons its so hard to compete with RUclips - it costs billions in upkeep.
Any book that is out of print should automatically pass into the public domain.
That gives too much power to publishers. "Sure be a shame if we stopped reprinting your book..."
Or you could just visit your local used book store; which is probably hanging on by a shoe string budget.
Books? No. Software? Yes. FAR too easy to lose software when new the OS comes in.
or at least after a few years of not being in print
@@harbl99 If they Try and ice you out like that, you should be able to approach other publishers or something they've got to do something this is actually kind of scary if they could somehow pushed this into also getting rid of the archive of older versions of articles on the internet
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Piracy isn't a crime. Often, it's an obligation.
@@HunterStiles651 Hate to regurgitate a cliche, but If buying isn't owning, pirating isn't stealing.
I would if I could
I would download a pizza
And 3D print it 😂
Who burned down the library of Alexandria?
The publishers.
Did the publishers wear funny headgear?
@@notsocrates9529 pretty sure the library burners were dancing isrealis given how things have played out under similar circumstances every time.
'The J-'
@@gharm9129 Subtlety is not your strong suit, who do you think I was referring to? Anyhow, yes.
@@notsocrates9529 your "subtlety" is so vague it could have been anyone wearing a turban. Git gud nub
Getting free books that you can get anywhere else like the main publishing houses is not the issue. Just buy that damn book. The issue is not having access to books and articles that the mainstream publishers are not willing to publish because they deem it hatespeech.
or books/media that are so out of print that noone wants to touch them or are "not for modern audences"
That last point brings back memories of the Dr Seuss book banning that happened several years ago.
I have about a thousand first and secondhand accounts of the Civil War which have been out of print for over a century. Main reason is publishers found the content pushed too heavily against the US government's moral narrative for waging the war- even some Northern accounts but in doing so you forfeit your History degree. Extremely interesting nonetheless.
@@Branmad-statross ah yes the banning during the harambe times.
The archive was used to access books and media that people cannot buy, as they are banned in their own countries. Everything that criticizes a sensitive person's opinion, can be deemed hatespeech, and by that take many rare historical books lent out by libraries digitally on the archive could become inaccessible.
During the height of "piracy", the industries were richer than now, after inflation and purchasing power etc, after it has been heavily pushed down.
The falsehood is that they would take whatever was pirated, take the cost, and multiply it by downloads and say piracy cost 400 billion.
They didn't factor in that most people who pirated literally didn't have the money to purchase it all, and so that 400 billion doesn't exist, and without piracy, still doesn't exist.
Limited linear disposable income with a near exponential rise in entertainment materials. It isn't hard to realise that limited cash is spreading thinner both sides.
Don't forget that out of the people that pirated and COULD afford to buy, many did in fact do just that, using the pirated material as a sort of trial run or preview and then when they were sure they were happy with the product and were willing to give money for it, they went and purchased an official copy.
There's almost nothing new worth pirating.
Without the internet archive I wouldn't have passes my university degree. Getting access to a lot of academic texts is prohibitively expensive.
Did your school not provide access to academic databases?
@@copperlemon1 No, they make you buy the textbooks, which can cost thousands of dollars per book. When you need potentially dozens of textbooks for your various courses, it can result in getting yourself saddled with life-altering debt for years.
We need an alternative system to get rid of current journals and publishers, we need to also lobby governments to state that any tax paid research HAS to either be freely available or available to the nationals who paid for the research.
Shalom Elsevier
@@Planeet-Longalternative system? May I introduce you to the stick'n'rock method of the caveman? They're effective at disrupting problematic things
No matter how many efforts have been made throughout history to combat piracy, they never work, this is only a temporary setback.
Up until they get sued into oblivion. Which is what's happening now. The Pirates are losing. Also, Kiwi Farms mocks the pro-pirate people. They're composed of the same losers who sank the Internet Archive because they employ and are run by relatives of lolcows who don't like incriminating articles about them being made public.
Kinda makes you think why so many resort to scum and villainy. My money is on the average IQ of humanity. Where’s your money?
This is not about combating piracy it is about combating archival in general.
When (not if) the Internet Archive loses, it will be unable to continue operations due to the sheer financial burden these lawsuits will bring upon it.
@@asdion why though? To control the flow of information?
@@Theiron2142 To prevent people from verifying information.
Once IA loses it will knock out any even remotely similar project that is situated in the US, and even if not there exists no equivalent archive so all up to at least "now" would be lost.
I'm a hardcopy paperback kinda reader but curtailing what people want or need to read is against free speech anything against free speech should be illegal! 🤬
The courts are bought. Enforcement of the law is left to whoever is willing to fight for it. We're left with too few willing to disrupt the current comfort of their own existence.
Anyone else find it annoying how most companies that provide a needed service always seems to be ran by complete morons with a fever dream of utopia? At this point, I can't trust any company unless I know for a fact that they reject identity politics.
The more I see things like this, the more I want to do things myself.
Fr.
It's like Power disconnects them from reality.
“It’s a global plan implemented at a local level”
We are in the middle of said plan.
I'm a huge fan of the Japanese rock band, Band-Maid, who rarely copyright strike 'reactors' who play their music. They realize that the heavy presence of 'Band-Maid Reaction Videos' actually drives their record sales and concert ticket sales. In 2014 they were a hair's breadth away from losing their record contract and dumped by the management when their debut video for the song "Thrill" went viral on social media. They realize that the only reason they are a successful band in 2024 is because the internet saved them from being dissolved. Their presence on the internet is bait: seeing and hearing them online has convinced me to buy over 20 rather pricey bits of media and to attend two of Band-Maid's concerts.
Same with Mac Sabbath!
Band-Maid is one of my favorite J-Rock bands. Did not know this about them.
yea i think the early 2000s are the worst time for music and its better today because while mainstream music is even worse now i have more choice and i can listen to more obscure new music that isn't trying to appeal to everyone .while in the early 2000s i had less choice and. i liked the more mainstream music in the 90s but if i didn't it would have been even worse than the 2000s.
Same with Genshin Impact. They allow the creation and sale of fanart and now every games/anime convention has Genshin fanart everywhere it's not even funny.
Tbf band maid are fucking awesome.
The argument that being able to “check out” a book to read online will interfere with publishers sales would close down every physical library, too.
And why do physical libraries exist? To liberate information.
That's the goal. They want libraries to not exist at all.
I work for a publisher who contracts with online retailers and libraries, search engines, etc. in fact, my main role is managing contracts and streamlining our royalties.
Depending on the contract structure and business relationship, the publisher is paid a flat fee, licensing fee, or royalty. They are usually also paid a file fee per title on top of the flat fee, yearly licensing fee, or royalty fee charged. They are making money anytime their products are downloaded for purchase, checked out online, or accessed via audiobook.
Government legislation forces publishers to give a physical copy to their local library. Maybe it needs to be updated to internet libraries, though the barrier to reading the book is lower they will argue.
A physical library buys one book and loans out one book. A physical library that bought one book and loaned out photocopies of the book would also be closed down.
Honestly while I love the Internet Archive and wish they would win, they really need to get better leadership. Whoever's running it is too far deep into their neo-liberal nonsense.
'Piracy is a service issue' -Gabe Newell
Glory to Gabe, may his girth remain true.
and now he allows games to have always online DRM like denuvo in them be published on steam, this quote aged like milk lol.
people "noticing" has been on the rise, gotta do something about that!
Way to prove us wrong!
Download the PDFs while you can!
Biggest mistake IA made was arbitrarily deciding to distribute unlimited copies of books without asking, arguing they did it for "Emergency" reasons.
also attempting to use the "transformative works" clause in the appeal
How this isn't top comment, I don't know.
yea i think a problem with the world today is that when something bad happens random people and organisations feel like they have to do "something" even if it doesn't make any sense and will only make things worse .
Piracy does not affect publishers profits; this was proved long ago, but the publishers still keep rolling the lie out
Yes. The publishers are lying, not the pirates. 🤦♂️
@@TheMusicolophilepirates are the reason we were able to get away from aristocracy and oligarchy. As the rise of the merchant class allowed for more flexible social caste system
@@gabrielhill995 That’s a whopper of a cope.
If piracy doesn't affect the publishers' profits the publishers wouldn't be paying their lawyers to stop it, though their case is weaker for works they don't actively sell. The justification for allowing something like copyright is that it is supposed to encourage production to and access to intellectual and artistic work. When the use does the opposite, the law needs an update.
@@TheMusicolophile are you historically inept? The social systems post 1600 are more flexible and leaning towards enlightenment values almost entirely because merchants/pirates/privateers destabilized the feudal system by inserting a economic power that had not been as prevalent as land ownership prior to colonization, there by pulling power away from lords and kings.
Sounds like the Internet Archive became the Napster of books. Sad they lost. I liked both those sites.
As for Taylor Lorenz I think it was attempts to hide her actual age.
No, it was to erase any trace of her being a piece of shit. Her uncle OWNS ia, he was purging the archive of everything that would make Lorenz look bad
Don't forget it's to obfuscate the early life question. But since they so hard to cover it up, it's already apparent 😂
I forget that she gets really insecure about her age and being perceived as old, leading to her lying about her age. Fwiw the only other person I’ve heard of who has this train is Dan Nainan, another narcissist.
@@de14jabs "No Neo, I'm telling you when you are ready, you don't need to go to Wikipedia's Early Life -section."
"Beware he who would control your access to information for in his secret heart he believes himself your master." - from Commissioner Pravin Lal, of the UN Peacekeepers in the video game Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri
I first saw the original quote as a kid in the early 2000s, and still keep it on my desk bulletin board.
One of the best, if not the best, Civ-likes. (4x? I forget) Beyond Earth wishes it was SMAC.
If you're no longer printing and selling your copyrighted material, are you not abandoning your defense of the intellectual property rights?
The only thing missing from your argument is a period of dormancy until it is considered abandoned.
That's the argument they use to steal houses and buildings
@@tog2842 Let the person making the copyright claims prove they are working to make it available. It's an unreasonable responsibility to prove a negative.
The claimant must prove they have a claim and that they are defending it, not everyone else.
No. There could be a myriad of reasons why a copyright holder ceases to distribute their work. For example not enough money to produce more "copies".
@@AfutureV In the age of print-on-demand?
The Data Warfare continues.
They should relocate to Russia, and then respond to all subsequent legal ruling by laughing.
Then the Russian government will be the one asking for censorship
Cue the "bUT RUSsiA Is WOrsE" crowd who've never been to russia, never talked to an actual russian and get all their info on russia from CNN, anti stalinist propaganda films about life in the USSR from the 50s, and ukrainian propaganda websites
Or better yet, Move either to Japan 🇯🇵, Saudi Arabia 🇸🇦, or Poland 🇵🇱
Or Lichenstein
I'm pretty sure those other countries are still part of NATO and will extradite to the US. And if they do rebase in the RU the Internet Archive will be flagged as a foreign agent.
To be honest, I think copyright law needs to be reformed, and brought inline with patent expirations. It is ridiculous to give a lifetime protection, and sometimes, even to allow a family, after a death, to retain a copyright.
is it the same with books as music? the copywrite runs out with music after like 70 years or so (after the creators death, since Cliff Richard has lived so long lol), hence classical music is free to use.
Both copyright law and patent laws are godawful and shouldn't exist.
Patent laws are the reason why so many med are prohibitively expensive.
copyright also needs to be dependent on circulation.
Says the person who has created nothing.
literally been proven to be destructive to creativity and innovcation many times, yet some people can't be convinced of this and they just so happen to be the people in charge who benefit financially from choking the market
Yes, Connor, you are correct about Taylor Lorenz's uncle owning the Wayback Machine. Good memory!
Surely the African folk tales were traditionally spoken and handed down that way. So why are they claiming the loss of records on the internet is an issue?
they are on many other places too
Just for the record, there are alternatives such as Anna’s Archive.
I've never heard of Anna's Archive. Is it new?
@@jakesoros2376 It's a pirate site, and I wish people wouldn't talk about it so loudly.
Pirating wouldn't be a thing if "We Completionists" didn't exist. Yet we exist, GFYS.
You cannot find all of GTA San Andreas, or every Adventure Time Episode [complete, unedited episodes,] and any evidence that Han Solo freaking shot first, without pirates.
_Yet we exist, GFYS._
Eh, got a chub and figured I was basically done.
Says the lazy, rum drinking pirate.
@@EzekielBrockmann if solo didn't shoot first, the movie would've been pretty short.
Besides, it's enough that greedo had his pistol pointed already. Intent was clear. Solo did nothing wrong.
Solo shooting second isn't the problem. The Jabba scene that repeats every line from the Greedo scene word-for-word is the problem.
Reminds me of a MINECRAFT map that is banned in a few countries because it is literally a giant library that has EVERY book ever made from a certain point up until now even with banned books. They are Book & Quills that each are fully written real world books. THAT is why it is banned in several nations. EVERYONE who has made an effort to make a record of history for everyone to see, is labeled a criminal or is slandered in some way. Internet Archive sounds exactly like what i said, someone recording history so the public can see the things of the past. There is a reason why they were slandered, and it comes down to one of two things. Corruption, or money. Money breeds corruption.
Or three control of the narrative.
@@mikelhendrickson5119 That branches off from Corruption.
@@firefox5714 true but it's not always one and the same.
@@mikelhendrickson5119 The lie is corrupting. A narrative is almost never the truth, it is a lie.
I’m also fairly sure that if the copywrite on a book or a piece of software is not renewed after about 50 years, then the copywrite becomes public domain.
At least in the US, an IP gets life of author/owner + 70 years.
@@Ivan_I99999 However long Micky Mouse stays relevent
yea too bad there isn't a lot of software that is over 50 maybe pong or the original Unix
@@belstar1128 there is certainly software, even games, that are public domain that are not 70 years old, abandoned copywrites that are not held up because the company's that held those copywrites are no longer in business, I think there is some protection from the law there too.
@@Theiron2142 Abandonware is not the same as public domain.
“Piracy will ruin our profitability “ like Steam is not prof of the contrary
Gog is an even better example since they let you download a zip copy of the game. I’ve got an entire collection I can hand off on a usb stick.
Steam is a light DRM. But it's quite clear if you allow people to get things easily and affordaly people will pay.
Luckily unlike streaming say steam has stayed in those categories for a long time now.
@@hens0w Steam's DRM is laughably easy to crack. It's only there to make publishers happy.
I almost forgot about this. Thank you for covering this and giving a quick summary of the situation.
You don't need an internet archive. Just listen to the experts
All the books removed were no doubt about truth , as books on the truth of the world are inconvenient to our controllers , so all they did was stop printing them . .
bruh are you kidding me the internet archive was an amazing resource wtf these people ruin everything
These companies want the most strict interpretation of copyright when it comes to people, but want the loosest definition possible when it comes to AI LLM generators and things like ChatGPT.
Which companies? Because the ones that are developing AI are not the publishers.
Glad I managed to get as many pre-WW2 books and essays as I could before the purge. The likes of Henry Ford, G.K. Chesterton, etc., actually wrote a lot of interesting things about certain groups that really opened my eyes to a lot of things that aren't discussed in the modern age.
Shortly before the pandemic I looked into this claim that the words "six million j*ws" or "6,000,000 j*ws" appeared over 200 times in English language newspapers between ~1850 and 1939. It's true. On the National Library of Congress website there were well over 200. But if you searched 5 million or 7 million there was next to none. During the pandemic I was telling someone about it and went and checked again. There were only like 18 still detectable in the search. Hmm 🤔. Scrub scrub scrub!
Like anything that goes against the mega-corpaorations' interests, these types of services will never be allowed to exist, unless it is done in a decentralized way. I expect this will eventually be recreated as a type of blockchain type thing.
IPFS already exists and is used.
I am pretty sure this thing only became an issue when the internet archive openly said because of the pandemic causing an "Emergency", they were giving unlimited copies of every book to anyone. They could've done it legally with licenses, but instead just to basically openly admit they are doing piracy. It isn't too surprising nor really are result of the megacorporations of the....Physical book publishing industry.
If they were smart they should've just kept it to lost media that you can't acquire anymore, but they didn't and then advertised they were openly doing piracy. Considering these are the same people who also censored the information on Taylor Lorenz, it isn't like they are operating on integrity.
Friendly reminder that one of those publishers Maxwell house, is the same Maxwell as Ghislaine
It's also gates mothers maiden name, tho seems to be a different family.
Meanwhile, the government is still closing libraries.
Wendig's face gives me malicious thoughts.
People like him will be a wet fart in the wind in history.
the way to find games that are no longer sold is rapidly dwindling
And so the rise of the Ministry of Truth begins
Can’t have that pesky knowledge floating around
What internet archive did is no different than what people do with their old books leaving them in hotels or train stations.
Are you going to take everyone to court for leaving their book outside their houses once they are done reading them for some average joe to walk past to grab it?
As that is a technical "loss" in a sale. (although this is how I got into the wheel of time, percy jackson, his dark materials, Jo Nesbo, Peter James etc... by picking ONE of those series up at a train station.)
They're making the same argument with loaning, second hand sales and purchasing. What they would prefer is DRM ridden media put behind paywalls for access where you own nothing and you purchase a licence that they can pull at any time. See Ubisoft's The Crew.
Next they will try to outlaw all communication since I yould also tell someone to content of a book ... for free! Gasp!
@@spacejunk2186 We just had the CEO of Telegram arrested for behaviour on his platform. Not a stretch to extend that to the lead developer of (free and open source software) operating systems, programs and apps.
Don't forget there's an archive of banned/blacklisted books on Tor. Unless the plug is completely pulled on the internet, the hydra will keep regrowing new heads.
they decided to be partisans, so i don't really care about their loss; same with Wikipedia, you choose to get politicial and you've already lost your respectability and usefulness. impartiality is vital, and without that, why should anyone defend you?
Wendig's comment reminds me of the need for God and the weakness and folly of us. We aren't fictional character. if we do bad stuff, we go to Hell.
Piracy is always justified.
Copyright laws should be abolished.
Taylor's Uncle is part of the Archive... making him, and his family will never be archived on the internet ... erasing all past data , and some "People data"... the thing is , paper trail still exists
WE CAN STILL SAVE IT
This is one reason why physical media is a good option.
Digital copies can disappear in a puff of smoke or be altered.
Saying that, new books are getting ridiculously expensive, so I often go to 2nd hand book shops and charities.
There's a guy on /diy/ that prints and binds his own books. Pretty much every book that's digital only he prints and binds. They look amazing as well!
*only option.
Can't erase my hard copies of funny mustache mans ramblings without gaining access. And I have claymore roombas. In Minecraft.
Remember: internet archive manually removed Taylor Lorentz archived sites because her uncle runs the site.
And they just pirated books. Burning that DVD is transformative.
It is sickening how stupid this move was.
If copyrights expired in reasonable time period say twenty years, this would not be a problem. Sadly the "Old Internet" is dying.
I have never been able to just read a book online. The only reason I ever seek out pdfs of books is either because physical copies are not available at all, or because I would like to skim through the material in order to justify purchasing a physical copy. I am less likely to buy a textbook on something from Amazon or thriftbooks, when the only portion you can read online is the table of contents and the preface. However, because I have been able to see a good many pdfs, I have spent hundreds, if not thousands of dollars, on books. The internet archive does not hurt their sales as much as the publishers would like to pretend.
The small artists on spotify who make a penny off of streaming would've made zero before it. Digital music is basically an ad for vinyls, shirts, and tours. Many people who get things from the deep blue sea wouldn't have ever purchased them anyway irl. The same thing for music goes for books. I read many things online only to later buy a boxed set because I just like having a physcial copy. Never would have taken that risk had I not read it online first.
Connors biceps are getting too big for that suit.
so i’m not the only one who noticed then
But can't take a bit of banter.
To be fair, he has a girly giggle
Sounds like the kind of problem you want to have.
"Dammit! I'm simply too massively muscular for this suit jacket."
@@harbl99 He is gonna do a 'hulk' in the next episode and run around in torn shorts and shirt.
What? You mean you've never changed into casualwear by simply flexing until your suit disintegrates? It's a much more convenient method.
There are plenty of other websites out there where you can download .pdfs of published books.
Yeah, but usually only if you are looking for them.
Ease of access is a massive boon.
Like what? Can you make a list of them all?
@@johnphipps4105
Certainly not all of them, but similar websites include:
Project Gutenberg
Library genesis
pdfroom
I agree that the ease of access and searchability of the internet archives was one of its main drawing points, though.
@@johnphipps4105 zlib is one, recommend.
I might advertise on Ebay to buy the first Islander edition.
" No greasy fingerprints or bogies "
That profit shouldn't be able to exist for ever, espcially when no one is producing it anymore.
Books, after 5 years should become public domain.
Company’s attempt to sell products that are open source or public domain, amazon attempts to sell books that are public domain, that should be illegal.
I suppose you could argue that if I create something then it is my prerogative as the author to decide if and when I make it available. But I agree with the sentiment. I find it hard to sympathise with a license holder who complains about piracy of content that they refuse to make available by legitimate means.
5 is far too short. Think of something like The Art of Electronics or The Art of Computer Programming… or Encyclopedia Britannica.
Author’s life + 70 years is far too long. Books that are out of print should have less protection than books that are in print.
@@peterfireflylund People would just sustain very small and low quantity print runs of their books, like get 10 printed per year, or something, so that technically it's "in print" and you can't publish it.
Curious. Have you written a book?
I found it to be a great resource when my local library system didn't have a book I was wanting to read. It is also a go to resource for old television shows that aren't available, even for sale.
You have a solemn duty to ensure Larry is well protected from migrants
And Rex and Felix.
US perspective: "Banned books" was always a ploy to trick kids into reading more, through the allure of the forbidden. They'd be banned from the school library, then displayed prominently in the public library and through partnerships the teachers would tell us about "banned books week" where you'd get extra credit for checking those the books out from the public library.
Most of the books are out of print and can't be bought from publishers is the real issue and in many cases no one knows who owns the copyright.
We wouldn't be in this mess if we had a restrained creators right. In a normal world the almost infinite copying-ability of content would result in society allowing creators to gain proceeds for a very limited time after which they become public goods that shape the society. currently creators or licensors effectively have tabs on 80+% of concepts that shape our imagination and understanding of the world while the value of the single work hour increases over time due to royalties, all while containing relatively low risk. The risk is the value the work hour could have brought if it was sold for a fixed price. e.g. the value of an hour of a worker condensing the work into a fixed singleton value.
You can be sure that all embarrassing woke content will be memory holed -- but anything the woke can use against others will be preserved...
Someone has a 2 inch floppy disk stored away somewhere so they will have a tough job finding it
The purpose of a system is its function. Remember who and what IP laws are protecting. IP isn't private property. Property requires a scarce resource, thoughts aren't a scarce resource. IP stops people from using their own property to the means that they think necessary, IP is a violation of property rights
Control the information, control the proles.
The Napster period led to a rise in sales that was the highest the industry had ever seen - interest in music was at an all time high, I wrote an undergrad paper on it. What they didn't like was the eclectic choice and broad range of material people were listening to - the music labels wanted to produce cookie cutter formulaic boy bands with projectable numbers of sales and market control, etc. They wanted to be able to hype up an invention and push sales out the door to defined markets so they could put as little effort in as possible and use stagnant methods and models from the 1970s.
The sharp jump in musical interest was much harder to contain and their old models didn't work for this - they didn't wield as much control over the cultural zeitgeist as they felt themselves worthy of. Selling individual songs was fought tooth and nail until it was "normalised" by the likes of Apple, etc. The point being - their arguments of lost profits and diminished sales are disingenuous, it's a loss of control and lazy promotion cycle. Not sure what the industry is like today given the paradigm did eventually change; they grabbed the market too thightly and much of it broke or slipped from their fingers.
NAPSTER BAD, BEER GOOD
It is time to stop being law abiding and peaceful
If you want to revwrite history, first you have to clear everything from the past
The money in traditional publishing is dismal and the costs are high. Between Digital/online books, print on demand and social media the need for a publisher is decreasing all the time.
Chuck Wendig felt it neccessary to include a 3 page long fart joke in one of his Star Wars books.
Another featured the absolute genius description: "The TIE wibbles and wobbles through the air, careening drunkenly across the Myrrann rooftops - it zigzags herkily-jerkily out of sight"
I mean... say what you will of his other merits as a writer, 3 page long fart joke is genius.
If they are going to keep bringing up Nazi book burnings, lets talk about the books that were burned and why they were burned.
I don't condone book burning and im getting sick and tired of being called a Nazi because i don't want children having access to Gay Porn in schools.
Re: Internet archive.
Two arguments Internet Archive could use is that 1) they provide copies of books no longer in print (OOP), and or that they provide digital copies (rather than paper copies) of books unavailable in digital form.
Consider an OOP book, for example: "The theory of democratic elitism; a critique" by Peter Bachrach, 1968. It is not in print. Nor is it likely to ever get into print again as the audience for it must be tiny. So no one is actually making money by distributing it. Yet at the Internet Archive the DOWNLOAD OPTIONS say "No suitable files to display here. EPUB and PDF access not available for this item".
So, had the Internet archive submitted a defence that they made avaiable almost impossible to obtain OOP books - they'd had a more convincing argument.
I think the publishers went after them because many of the books Internet Archive scanned were still in print. Had Internet Archive restricted themselves to making available either out of copyright and out of print books I doubt the publishers would've gone after them.
I think the Internet Archive were a bit foolish to try controlled digital lending, even if it was performing a valuable service
Archive the wayback machine pages on other archiving sites.
They can't keep good men down!
This is perfect misdirection.....the "system" wants the "way back machine" crushed. They hate being held to account
The way back machine has been captured, they have been caught deleting stuff..
Theres a internet id and a chinese style social credit system in the works
So the archive did what banks do.
Copyright laws and conventions need to adapt to the digital age. Not by absurd digital privileges management, but in the way that CopyRIGHT can be respected.
Since corporations can freely change the terms of the sale after purchase,take away our ownership of videos and software, then piracy is morally correct.
Try to find an SF book printed pre-1995. Most are out of print and the publishers refuse to re-release them, even digitally. It's disgusting.
That's crazy, I have been recently been referring people to I.A. to "Banned in America" videos.