So, over the last 25 + years... What is YOUR favourite PES of all time? (This is the full movie of the four individual History of PES videos I made last year, there's a lot of people that haven't seen them or may have missed them so I compiled it in a feature length video for you all!)
On ps1 ISS pro évolution 2 without a doubt On ps2 PES 5 On ps3 PES 2013, 2016 , 2018 On ps4 PES 2019 Ma favourite ever is this PES 2018 on ps4 but i think PES 2019 is this the best or all time without à doubt
I still play PES6 now, I can't even start to tell you how many nights my mates and I got together to play these games from 1998 to mid/late 2000s. Great times
ISS Pro in 97 was my first game in general. As an 8 year old on my ps1 and a love for football. ISS Pro Evolution was my second and that game had everything; a Master League, trophy cabinet and awesome trophy celebrations with great music. PES 5 was imo the best footie.
PES 1,2 and 6 were amazing.. 1 & 2 were gamechanging back in the day with a very fun ML, while 6 might be the best football game ever made especially for its time
Actually, in your research in pes 2014 on the fox engine if you took a shot and you missed, did you ever get a second pause when it went out for a goal kick? Used to do my head in but in your footage it didn’t look like it did.
PES 3-6 were incredible games and a much better alternative to FIFA at the time. I loved master league and updating the kits etc, it’s a shame to see what it’s now become. at least I got to play through the peak football games.
PES 4, 5 & in particular, 6 for me. When they introduced online play with PES 4 I thought it was the greatest thing ever. Anyone here ever been a member of PROEVONETWORK?
Its like headsets for 360, teabagging virtually in COD and Halo, threatening one another with flip flops. All advanced intellects rued those moments, because we knew the developers would then dump gamer owned content and just rent fancy lobbies, call em games, and pack you sheep in. Thanks Microsoft! (I still collect 360)
Really enjoyed this documentary as it look me down memory lane. I owned or played all but one or two of the iterations of PES, ISS and efootball shown and they provided many hours of fun through many facets of my life. Really hope Efootball can continue to do so and return to its offline routes. Just when I thought this documentary couldn’t get any better, the outro summary and music blew my mind. I see that it uses Jun’s stage music from Tekken 2 which is perhaps my best fighting game soundtrack tune ever. Played it back it several times . Bravo!
PES was majestic. PES 1-6 was a moment in fucking time man. Never have I seen a series so ridiculously ahead of it's contemporaries. It wasn't a contest, PES was like two generations ahead. Playing the first PES was like a religious experience, lol. And guess what? There are things PES did well like making the ball a separate entity that was chaotic, random and took skill to pass and control that FIFA still hasn't mastered yet.
Sadly, net physics were bad from PS3 2011 through like e20. Now FIFA, that is an awkward git, if you actually watch Aguero or Pele or Rooney. A hammer strike with Rooney on PES hit different. But those burnt out net physics are grotesque, concrete and rubber.
I was surprised you didn't go in harder on the initial PS3 games. After the dizzy heights of PES5 and PES6 on the PS2, PES2008 on PS3 was a disaster, and drove a lot of PES die hards into the loving arms of EA's product, which was playable. The PES08 graphics looked better on this video (emulated?) than I remember them being at the time. The gameplay seemed to be really off, laggy inputs were mentioned. Online was totally stillborn. Edit mode had been totally gutted out. I'd usually play a new PES right through the release of the next one, but I put PES2008 down pretty quickly after it arrived, and I got into modding PES6 on the PC instead, which also had half decent online play. The ironic thing is, I seem to remember 2 lads having a podcast at the time, where they were really putting Konami on blast for the state of things over those bad years. One of those guys was none other than Adam Bhatti, now the mouthpiece for Konami! PES2009 was a slight improvement (still with bad online). It wasn't really until PES2010 they seemed to deliver something close to how I expected PS3 PES to be, at least for offline 1 and 2 player, PES2011, I had a lot of fun with Online Master League. Apart from that, loved this video. I played every version from ISS Pro on PS1, through to PES2011 on PS3 (including some of the imported hipster deep cuts, The patched versions of WE6:FE were awesome), before having a break until I got into them again up until the end of PES as we knew it.
Congratulations! What a great video! It overflows with incredible memories! I started with the magnificent iss delux on super nintendo, and I remember the first time I saw the iss 98 on psx, I thought it was absolute perfection! You are a machine!
love this video. btw in ISS on the SNES, 26 international teams was enough for a world cup back then. USA 94 was the tournament at the time and that only featured 24 teams. So if anything, Konami were truly going overboard by TWO WHOLE TEAMS
This is great, I now understand much better this series, thank you very much. Noticed that you didn't show KCEO's ISS98 for the Nintendo 64, that year chapter is only showing ISS Pro 98 by KCET for the Playstation 1.
Great job! Many thanks to the author for the dive into the history of the best football simulator and in my childhood! Personally for me ISS Deluxe on Sega, ISS Pro '98 and ISS Pro Evolution 2 on SP1, PES 2 and PES 6 on SP2, PES 2011 and eFootball PES 2021 Season Update on PC have become the standard of football simulator, in them you can feel the developers’ love for football in every detail. I believe, that the true football simulator is not about endless pack opening or about speed advantage. For me, a football simulation is a huge number of random situations on a football field, even if they can be players with fictitious names in the kit of a fictitious football team. Football is an art form , PES (ISS) is an example of the art of creating sport video games.
I remember going to my cousins to play PES Master League, from PES 2010 to PES 2012, many vacations nights playing together, he would control the entire team and i will lock Messi to play as Barcelona was the dominant team back then, he was a fan of Barcelona while i am a fan of Real Madrid but his game his rules 🤣🤣🤣🤣 so we played with Barcelona, every time the UEFA anthem started we would stand on our feet and listen to the majestic anthem and played the match with heart, core memories of one of my best times of my childhood, or playing Winning Eleven with my uncles in the early 2000's, damn, what have they done to PES😭
That game is a night wizard. Just a dank, different kind of entry. Its off, the 360 era one. But powered. Its like that special G that is off and should not be hawt, but is super Hawt
Thank you for this video. Honestly, PES is somehow part of my life. I'm 33 yo, but i Play PES since i was 10 i think. So 23 years of playing. Maybie because I'm now much older, this new versions are not making me happy. I don't know is it because of my age, but i was much happier before when i played. Ofc Pes was never perfect(licences, details), but memories are great. And i still have the will to play PES Konami dissapointed me with no ML in last two years. It's only need a little to make a great game. ISS 2000, Pes 5&6 , and Pes 13 are my best choices.
ISS 2000 on the n64 is still my favourite football game in terms of gameplay.. And Skyrim is my favourite game of all time..Mario kart snes and and bomberman are my fave multiplayers..Blackout (black ops 4) is my fave shoot em up. Zelda is my favourite nostalgic game...Civ 5 is my fave strategy game
I remember september 1998 ,still spend time with FIFA World Cup 98 ,then my home mate bring fresh Iss Pro 98 ,my life change forever! Clear memory how we celebrate first goal,first win ,game vs colleagues omg it was primitive bus so so cool
PES 6's Japanese iteration (WE 10) DID have the Bundesliga though. It's quite probably the most complete game of the series among those released for PS2, since it also has the ball control and shooting playability upgrades PES 6 has.
Man,.. you brought so much memory about the begining of PES. since i have PS1. i never miss single day to play PES. but now, in PS5... i never play eFootbal 2024. so sad Konami change it
I loved PES, especially ‘Become a Legend’. I really don’t know and understand how it is 2024 and we are yet to see an actual RPG-like game(mode) to become one of the best players in the world..
I hope you can do another documentary combing both fifa and pes and how they introduced new features graphically and in terms of gameplay and what effects it has on both games.
Absolutely awesome video compilation of PES history. The conclusion brilliant, capturing their collosal failure with micro transaction and plummeting a golden franchise which had licenses, Kits real Stadiums only to resolve to making a mobile game. What a fall from grace.
I love how unabashedly Japanese the earlier titles were in terms of their presentation. It really gave them their own unique vibe to anything else on the market
Finally! A great doc about the (former) best football franchise of all time. Isn't sad that fucking FIFA (or whatever it's called now) is now the best by default only because Konami threw the tower?
Most of older football players grow up with konami My first football game was wining eleven 3 up to pes 11. Now im playing fifa since 2013 even now still using square as shoot and R1 as run. Konami mistakes is in 2 reasons 1: losing clubs and league license (i don't care about option file) 2: online servers are bad Those are the reason of konami football collapse.
PES 2019 onwards started to offer an unrealistically slow brand of football that was trying too hard to simulate the flow of a real football match without implementing the AI improvements that would actually make it happen. As a result, i could never get into PES 2019-2021, it was way too slow and unresponsive. I don't think there's any way of denying how the PS2 era is the pinnacle of the series.
Dammit Konami! Everytime you get close to absolute perfection (pes 4/5 and pes 2021) you pull a complete 180 and fuck it right up. Wouldn't it be ironic if they end up with the FIFA licence after all these years competing with it? Hard to see past 2k though really.
Pes was amazing on ps1 and ps2 then we got a fee horrible versions on ps3 and xbox 360 it was unplayable for a few years,we have had a few decent versions since 2013 but not like back in the day on ps1 and ps2
What you said about pes 2019 being unveiled as just pes, is wrong. PES began back in 2006. Before that you always saw the covers with only "pro evolution soccer". Infact it wasn't until 2020 that you saw the removal of pro evolution soccer from the front covers in favour of e football pes 2020
PES 3. The first game in which you would appreciate how good a players technique was. It wasn't about pace. PES 5 built on this. I used to love having a player with great techniwue. Today, it's just comical how shit football games are.
I play all of them but until those days remember PES 2008, 2009 like the best... Then something go terrible wrong, I not remember what exactly or 2013 or 2014 or 2011, some of them was made terrible wrong, skills not feeling anymore, was no different or you play Ronaldo or no name players they feel like cows on ice... After that PES was not the same anymore :(
So, over the last 25 + years... What is YOUR favourite PES of all time?
(This is the full movie of the four individual History of PES videos I made last year, there's a lot of people that haven't seen them or may have missed them so I compiled it in a feature length video for you all!)
Probably the PS2 generation.. But if I were to choose one, it'll definitely be PES 5.
@@RepublicOfNirwana PES5, PES6, PES17, PES19
PES 2013 without a doubt
pes 6
On ps1 ISS pro évolution 2 without a doubt
On ps2 PES 5
On ps3 PES 2013, 2016 , 2018
On ps4 PES 2019
Ma favourite ever is this PES 2018 on ps4 but i think PES 2019 is this the best or all time without à doubt
PES will always have a special place in my heart.
Me too my man, me too.
Always :)
Forever broo FOREVER
Me too Always Konami for Life🇯🇵🇯🇵🇯🇵
I still play PES6 now, I can't even start to tell you how many nights my mates and I got together to play these games from 1998 to mid/late 2000s. Great times
ISS Pro in 97 was my first game in general. As an 8 year old on my ps1 and a love for football. ISS Pro Evolution was my second and that game had everything; a Master League, trophy cabinet and awesome trophy celebrations with great music. PES 5 was imo the best footie.
A FIFA player here but I did enjoy pes 17 pes 6 and pes 13 I remember changing my kit design every season 🥺 good times ❤️
Pes always had the better gameplay...When I was young it did anyways
Pes forever
The best documentary about the best sports game of all time
PES 1,2 and 6 were amazing..
1 & 2 were gamechanging back in the day with a very fun ML, while 6 might be the best football game ever made especially for its time
ISS Pro was my introduction to the series. It felt so good to play, and goals felt like real earned rewards.
I hope this video gets the view’s it deserves! So much effort and so many memories! Nice one mate 👍
Thanks for the kind words, glad you enjoyed it.
Actually, in your research in pes 2014 on the fox engine if you took a shot and you missed, did you ever get a second pause when it went out for a goal kick? Used to do my head in but in your footage it didn’t look like it did.
Thank you for paying tribute to the amazing legacy of PES.
Amazing video 👏
PES 3-6 were incredible games and a much better alternative to FIFA at the time. I loved master league and updating the kits etc, it’s a shame to see what it’s now become. at least I got to play through the peak football games.
Completely agree. It is sad to see what it has become nowadays. Specially with such a legacy behind it
Brilliant video mate.
Love letter to the true football game. Gone but never forgotten
PES 4, 5 & in particular, 6 for me. When they introduced online play with PES 4 I thought it was the greatest thing ever. Anyone here ever been a member of PROEVONETWORK?
Its like headsets for 360, teabagging virtually in COD and Halo, threatening one another with flip flops.
All advanced intellects rued those moments, because we knew the developers would then dump gamer owned content and just rent fancy lobbies, call em games, and pack you sheep in.
Thanks Microsoft! (I still collect 360)
The amount of research is unbelievable, this is the 2nd time i watched this documentary “fully” and this time i was taking notes.
Amazing intro...PES 5 It was the first PES that I played...but no doubt of the PES 6 is one of the best series of Konami!!
In my humble opinion PES 5 is the best football video game ever made. It was incredible.
Really enjoyed this documentary as it look me down memory lane. I owned or played all but one or two of the iterations of PES, ISS and efootball shown and they provided many hours of fun through many facets of my life. Really hope Efootball can continue to do so and return to its offline routes.
Just when I thought this documentary couldn’t get any better, the outro summary and music blew my mind. I see that it uses Jun’s stage music from Tekken 2 which is perhaps my best fighting game soundtrack tune ever. Played it back it several times . Bravo!
Fantastic video. Criminally underrated.
pes 6 and 13 still get played often in my pc and with massive community support any pes game never going to die
Wow wow wow!
I enjoyed a lot the fifa documentary and I'm sure I will love this one.
Thanks for your effort and for your amazing contents, Marlon!
Pes video
PES 4, 5 & 6 are all-time great video games. Not just football games. Or even sports games. Just all-time great video games.
PES was majestic. PES 1-6 was a moment in fucking time man. Never have I seen a series so ridiculously ahead of it's contemporaries. It wasn't a contest, PES was like two generations ahead. Playing the first PES was like a religious experience, lol.
And guess what? There are things PES did well like making the ball a separate entity that was chaotic, random and took skill to pass and control that FIFA still hasn't mastered yet.
Sadly, net physics were bad from PS3 2011 through like e20.
Now FIFA, that is an awkward git, if you actually watch Aguero or Pele or Rooney. A hammer strike with Rooney on PES hit different.
But those burnt out net physics are grotesque, concrete and rubber.
Gameplay on PES was always way ahead of FIFA.
I was surprised you didn't go in harder on the initial PS3 games. After the dizzy heights of PES5 and PES6 on the PS2, PES2008 on PS3 was a disaster, and drove a lot of PES die hards into the loving arms of EA's product, which was playable. The PES08 graphics looked better on this video (emulated?) than I remember them being at the time. The gameplay seemed to be really off, laggy inputs were mentioned. Online was totally stillborn. Edit mode had been totally gutted out. I'd usually play a new PES right through the release of the next one, but I put PES2008 down pretty quickly after it arrived, and I got into modding PES6 on the PC instead, which also had half decent online play. The ironic thing is, I seem to remember 2 lads having a podcast at the time, where they were really putting Konami on blast for the state of things over those bad years. One of those guys was none other than Adam Bhatti, now the mouthpiece for Konami!
PES2009 was a slight improvement (still with bad online). It wasn't really until PES2010 they seemed to deliver something close to how I expected PS3 PES to be, at least for offline 1 and 2 player, PES2011, I had a lot of fun with Online Master League.
Apart from that, loved this video. I played every version from ISS Pro on PS1, through to PES2011 on PS3 (including some of the imported hipster deep cuts, The patched versions of WE6:FE were awesome), before having a break until I got into them again up until the end of PES as we knew it.
Best pes youtuber in the world .
Congratulations! What a great video! It overflows with incredible memories! I started with the magnificent iss delux on super nintendo, and I remember the first time I saw the iss 98 on psx, I thought it was absolute perfection! You are a machine!
Thank you for this. It was a ride going through my childhood again.
PES 4 was amazingly fluid! Loved that game
What a fantastic video, great work Marlon 5*
love this video. btw in ISS on the SNES, 26 international teams was enough for a world cup back then. USA 94 was the tournament at the time and that only featured 24 teams. So if anything, Konami were truly going overboard by TWO WHOLE TEAMS
I actually can't believe you didn't even mention Become a Legend on PES 2011, it was unreal
Pes 3 was and still is one of the greatest football games ever
You know the score. Pierre Luigi Collina on the cover. How I loved that game. I'd play it with my brother for hours on end.
Iss deluxe was my first experience with Pes. 4,5 and 6, those were the golden years
This is great, I now understand much better this series, thank you very much. Noticed that you didn't show KCEO's ISS98 for the Nintendo 64, that year chapter is only showing ISS Pro 98 by KCET for the Playstation 1.
Great video loved PES since number 4 ❤
Great job! Many thanks to the author for the dive into the history of the best football simulator and in my childhood!
Personally for me ISS Deluxe on Sega, ISS Pro '98 and ISS Pro Evolution 2 on SP1, PES 2 and PES 6 on SP2, PES 2011 and eFootball PES 2021 Season Update on PC have become the standard of football simulator, in them you can feel the developers’ love for football in every detail.
I believe, that the true football simulator is not about endless pack opening or about speed advantage.
For me, a football simulation is a huge number of random situations on a football field, even if they can be players with fictitious names in the kit of a fictitious football team.
Football is an art form , PES (ISS) is an example of the art of creating sport video games.
I remember going to my cousins to play PES Master League, from PES 2010 to PES 2012, many vacations nights playing together, he would control the entire team and i will lock Messi to play as Barcelona was the dominant team back then, he was a fan of Barcelona while i am a fan of Real Madrid but his game his rules 🤣🤣🤣🤣 so we played with Barcelona, every time the UEFA anthem started we would stand on our feet and listen to the majestic anthem and played the match with heart, core memories of one of my best times of my childhood, or playing Winning Eleven with my uncles in the early 2000's, damn, what have they done to PES😭
ISS 98 was so complex. The tactics, the goals... unbelievable!
Ngl i miss the cozy look, hazy from PES 2010, yeah, it doesn't look like how a real broadcast would look but it gave it personality
That game is a night wizard.
Just a dank, different kind of entry. Its off, the 360 era one. But powered. Its like that special G that is off and should not be hawt, but is super Hawt
All the different Winning eleven editions on my chipped ps1 and ps2, the best times. I knew all the settings in Japanese too
Thank you for this video. Honestly, PES is somehow part of my life. I'm 33 yo, but i Play PES since i was 10 i think. So 23 years of playing. Maybie because I'm now much older, this new versions are not making me happy. I don't know is it because of my age, but i was much happier before when i played. Ofc Pes was never perfect(licences, details), but memories are great. And i still have the will to play PES Konami dissapointed me with no ML in last two years. It's only need a little to make a great game. ISS 2000, Pes 5&6 , and Pes 13 are my best choices.
PES 4,5,6 the best trailers 🔥🔥🔥
very good and very informative! - papijonnnn from evoweb
PES 2010, 14 AND 21 are my favorites ever. never understood the hype with PES 6.
Hey papijonnn yeah I agree I'm not the keenest on 6 either, I think 5 is superior in every way
ISS 2000 on the n64 is still my favourite football game in terms of gameplay.. And Skyrim is my favourite game of all time..Mario kart snes and and bomberman are my fave multiplayers..Blackout (black ops 4) is my fave shoot em up. Zelda is my favourite nostalgic game...Civ 5 is my fave strategy game
I remember september 1998 ,still spend time with FIFA World Cup 98 ,then my home mate bring fresh Iss Pro 98 ,my life change forever! Clear memory how we celebrate first goal,first win ,game vs colleagues omg it was primitive bus so so cool
original pes6 and moded pes2021, i can play this two for my life.
Thank you for this great overview. 🎉
PES 6's Japanese iteration (WE 10) DID have the Bundesliga though. It's quite probably the most complete game of the series among those released for PS2, since it also has the ball control and shooting playability upgrades PES 6 has.
Man,.. you brought so much memory about the begining of PES. since i have PS1. i never miss single day to play PES. but now, in PS5... i never play eFootbal 2024. so sad Konami change it
Pes 5 Original Season Patch is for me the best, most fun football game there is to date. Pure Joy!
@@silverfox8484 yeah I agree, the best way to experience the game with it's original season and all faces and kits corrected. It's beautiful.
what an amazing video. what an effort on its making. the details and the hard work is obvious. you deserve a real high view.
Random but this video has music from Virtua Striker at the 2:46:50 end 😭😂 I’ve played nearly every football game and I know my stuff
This is amazing.
I love that you used the virtua striker 2 music🎉
Great, love it! My favourite game of all time
pes 3 will forever be my favourite.
Because it’s the best.
PES 4 & 5 were also released on the original Xbox.
ISS 2 was my first. I hope I would play this game again in my life
I loved PES, especially ‘Become a Legend’. I really don’t know and understand how it is 2024 and we are yet to see an actual RPG-like game(mode) to become one of the best players in the world..
I hope you can do another documentary combing both fifa and pes and how they introduced new features graphically and in terms of gameplay and what effects it has on both games.
pes 6, 2011 and 2013, my favorite
crazy good content!!!
Still playing this beautiful pure simulation game that is pes 2014 in 2024 😍👍
Absolutely awesome video compilation of PES history. The conclusion brilliant, capturing their collosal failure with micro transaction and plummeting a golden franchise which had licenses, Kits real Stadiums only to resolve to making a mobile game. What a fall from grace.
The World Cup only featured 24 teams in 1990 and 1994. So ISS having 26 teams does allow a full tournament for the time.
I love how unabashedly Japanese the earlier titles were in terms of their presentation. It really gave them their own unique vibe to anything else on the market
Please, can you make a patch for PES 2008 to convert it to PES 2013?
My favs were PES1, 2, 5, 6, 13 and 20. 4 was much improved over 3.
Must say though that the very best was WE6:FE.
International superstar soccer on the SNES was my first lol
Finally! A great doc about the (former) best football franchise of all time. Isn't sad that fucking FIFA (or whatever it's called now) is now the best by default only because Konami threw the tower?
The former edit modes were a game by itself!! Pes forever!
I was playing a lot Winning Eleven 2002/03 ( Juventus most ) !!!!❤
19:06 they put in game Lazio but named it Roma :) Brutal...
Fun Fact: Pes 2014s finesse shot animation is still used to this day in eFootball 2023/24 😂😂
One thing we can say is most of all the demos were better especialy 2013 2014 2017
Top 5 Pro Evolution Games Ever: 5 .Iss Pro 98 4.PES 6 3 .PES 2016 2.PES 3 1.PES 5❤❤❤❤❤
RIP best football series ever
PES 3 in 2003 was the best for me
The following year in 2004 they went backwards
Greatest video game of all time.
Pes 6,13,17,18,21 my favorite
You forgot Winning Eleven 3 World Cup 1998 jp, The only Winning Eleven with FIFA World Cup 1998 license
Pes 2011 and 2012 best ❤
Most of older football players grow up with konami
My first football game was wining eleven 3 up to pes 11.
Now im playing fifa since 2013 even now still using square as shoot and R1 as run.
Konami mistakes is in 2 reasons
1: losing clubs and league license (i don't care about option file)
2: online servers are bad
Those are the reason of konami football collapse.
PES 2019 onwards started to offer an unrealistically slow brand of football that was trying too hard to simulate the flow of a real football match without implementing the AI improvements that would actually make it happen. As a result, i could never get into PES 2019-2021, it was way too slow and unresponsive.
I don't think there's any way of denying how the PS2 era is the pinnacle of the series.
From ancient beginnings it's a best football ever!!!
Man I miss *Pro Evo*
Pro evolution soccer 4
PES 2013 is the best.... Then ISS or WE4, then PES6
Ah nostalgia, Pro Evo was miles better than FIFA back in the day.
Great documentary, but I see PESM it’s getting forgotten…
Ofc i get an efootball ad
Dammit Konami! Everytime you get close to absolute perfection (pes 4/5 and pes 2021) you pull a complete 180 and fuck it right up. Wouldn't it be ironic if they end up with the FIFA licence after all these years competing with it? Hard to see past 2k though really.
Pes was amazing on ps1 and ps2 then we got a fee horrible versions on ps3 and xbox 360 it was unplayable for a few years,we have had a few decent versions since 2013 but not like back in the day on ps1 and ps2
Someone have option file Pes 16 ps4 ? Plz
is AI being used for naration?
PES 6 is my roman empire
What you said about pes 2019 being unveiled as just pes, is wrong. PES began back in 2006. Before that you always saw the covers with only "pro evolution soccer". Infact it wasn't until 2020 that you saw the removal of pro evolution soccer from the front covers in favour of e football pes 2020
it's magnum opus not magnus opus lol :-D
Woops taught this was a 3min video!
PES 3. The first game in which you would appreciate how good a players technique was. It wasn't about pace. PES 5 built on this. I used to love having a player with great techniwue.
Today, it's just comical how shit football games are.
I play all of them but until those days remember PES 2008, 2009 like the best... Then something go terrible wrong, I not remember what exactly or 2013 or 2014 or 2011, some of them was made terrible wrong, skills not feeling anymore, was no different or you play Ronaldo or no name players they feel like cows on ice... After that PES was not the same anymore :(