Ender 3 S1 - The Silence of The Fans

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  • Опубликовано: 11 дек 2024

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  • @NathanBuildsRobots
    @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад +70

    Just to clear something up about the 150C diode at 3:30
    I was using a 5V noctua fan instead of a 12V noctua fan at first, so it was overloaded to 480%.
    After installing the correct 12v fan, it is now running at 36 C.

    • @Doyle69
      @Doyle69 2 года назад +12

      Great to know this, the temp put me off doing it :P

    • @AznDumbum
      @AznDumbum 2 года назад

      Oww wow... Ok Zener diode here I come!

    • @the_edge_of_time
      @the_edge_of_time Год назад

      You probably should update the links above. Noctua as atleast two 200x30mm 12 volt fans. One a using a four pin connector and the other a three pin.

    • @MACCLIPS-r5f
      @MACCLIPS-r5f Год назад

      So its save to do i dont need a stepper ?

    • @reassor
      @reassor Год назад

      5w diode is crazy hot. Tried 2 in parallel same... link the diode parameters you used to get 36c

  • @ScottYuJan
    @ScottYuJan 2 года назад +84

    that intro deserves an Oscar 😂

  • @skunkprints7952
    @skunkprints7952 2 года назад +31

    You are my hero man. I sincerely appreciate this fresh approach to the world of 3d printing!

    • @BeyondBeleaf
      @BeyondBeleaf 2 года назад

      I couldn’t say this better myself! He is what this community needs!!

  • @mrt1426
    @mrt1426 2 года назад +4

    The opening of this video had me in tears. New to the channel, genius work my friend.

  • @satibel
    @satibel Год назад +4

    if you have pwm control, you can set the max duty cycle to 50% and add a capacitor in parallel to the fan to get 12V instead of using a zener which will get toasty.

    • @adamix157
      @adamix157 Год назад

      Good advice, but the cap needs to be big enough ;)

  • @SpiralDogma1990
    @SpiralDogma1990 2 года назад +4

    Finally, someone who cuts out the fan shields. Those create so much turbulence. Just removing them makes a HUGE difference.

  • @wakeupgeoff
    @wakeupgeoff 2 года назад +2

    Mate I had a good laugh at the gags in this vid. Looking to upgrade my S1 Pro, Cheers!

  • @phill7487
    @phill7487 2 года назад +3

    That intro was gold

  • @RichardBronosky
    @RichardBronosky 2 года назад +3

    Great work! I'm definitely doing this to my Two Trees Sapphire Plus. It's pretty quiet except for the fans. Right now I'm working on my filament dry storage. Fan upgrades are next.

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад

      I want a cube printer! All mine are bed slingers, except for a Voxelab Aries, which isn't very moddable

  • @evFPV
    @evFPV Год назад +1

    I am keeping the hotend fan (I cut the stl in mesh mixer and kept only the heatbreak fan). I will be using a gelid fan instead of the noctua... they are 50% cheaper. I will receive it tomorrow, so I will check how it performs...

  • @fornoobs990
    @fornoobs990 2 года назад +6

    Thanks for the work you put into this. I can now print in peace! One thing I discovered was that on my noctua fans (A4x20 and A4x10) the red wire is +12V, not yellow as mentioned. I passed on making a separate cable so maybe thats why.

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад

      That is very interesting! Maybe on the 3 on versions is different? I always get the 4 pin versions

    • @fornoobs990
      @fornoobs990 2 года назад +1

      @@NathanBuildsRobots Yea I looked it up on the noctua page and found this noctua.at/pub/media/wysiwyg/faqs/noctua_pin_configuration_12v_fans.png

  • @davidjernigan8161
    @davidjernigan8161 2 года назад +2

    For cutting the metal you could get diamond cutoff wheels from harbor freight to use with a dremel.

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад

      Cutoff Wheels are a bit tough to cut curves with, but yeah it could be done.
      Speaking of better tools for the job, I just tried out a 400 watt laser today that would have cut right through this in about 10 seconds. I'll be going back for seconds and making a video about it!

  • @907-q7u
    @907-q7u 2 года назад +5

    I subscribe to A LOT of channels... Nathan, you are so damn awesome, you're by faaar my favorite. You add just the right amount of humor when I'm not expecting it. Lol

  • @wrxsubaru02
    @wrxsubaru02 2 года назад +2

    5:50 LOL You're underrated. I just subscribed.

  • @AceTheIdot
    @AceTheIdot 4 месяца назад +2

    if i buy a 24v 40mm noctua fan for the extruder can i just wire it up to positive and negative? or do i still have to solder in a resistor

    • @Janovich
      @Janovich 3 месяца назад

      Yes correct

  • @MrRfries
    @MrRfries 2 года назад +1

    I'm going to try one of these fans on my OctoPI. I loved the intro!

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад

      Nice, there are 5V versions that you can plug directly in to the Raspberry pi either through USB or on the I/O pins

  • @KegRaider
    @KegRaider 2 года назад +2

    worthy of a sub, thanks for the info mate.

  • @Krulay
    @Krulay 2 года назад +3

    First channel that immediately has been "Patreon"-ed by me. Keep up the good Ender3 S1 (short ESI) content, and developing "that fann" of yours. :D
    PS.: Please, never be normal.... thnks

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад +1

      Thanks Krulay! I will be making a couple different versions of that fan shroud, 40x20 noctua, 5015 blower, 120mm blower, am I missing anything?

    • @Krulay
      @Krulay 2 года назад

      @@NathanBuildsRobots I just try to keep up with you, ordering all the necessary equipment to be your gunnie pig guy relating to ESIs :D I will use ASA to print them, 'cause of its UV resistance. The first one is already printed as a tryout from PLA, one not the stl would be nice if orinted in the printing position.
      My dream is to make a 12cm Noctua into a cooler in the head (what a nonsense, but fun idea), and also thinking about making a cooling solution, where there is a big cooler is relatively far away from the head, which will be cooled thru a tube. I dont know if pressure and frictions are allowing it, but i like the idea of using something powerful and deliver its stream into the tiny head. A Tube-fun on RUclips .... See? :D
      Man i like your style... I hope/wish you will have the same rising viewcount as 'I did a thing' has since i get to know him. ;)

  • @ashvanes484
    @ashvanes484 2 года назад +1

    ok this intro is awesome; to add, this is all more than I am able to do to a printer, but it's really cool to see. I am pretty keen on the Ender S1 and it might be my 2nd printer.. I am still learning on my Ender 3 that we just got fully set up

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад

      Thanks! I wish manufacturers would do more with silent fans. I like a quiet machine. It's doubly important for me because it makes it easier to film and record audio when the fans aren't so loud

  • @cartaphyllus5086
    @cartaphyllus5086 2 года назад +3

    I’d love to see this setup with a 5015 blower fan, I literally have like 6 extra just laying around haha

  • @mrmechano
    @mrmechano Год назад +1

    Noctua are expensive, the stock fans powered at 12-15v are sufficient.
    I didn't buy any particular fan and used the stock one with dc dc step down mini bucks.
    I've the Ender 3 V2 Neo, and now it's silent without any particular mods, simply I've used Mini 360 bucks on the stock PSU and mainboard fans that I've choosen from 12-15v till obtain low noise and still good airflow. And opened with a cupsaw the power supply cover to have more air flow.
    On the hot end I've used a Sunon MF40202V2-1000C-A99 DC 24V 0.68W 40x40x20mm achieved for 21 db. I don't need any other special mods, now my Ender 3 print's well and has very low noise.

  • @diy_wizard
    @diy_wizard 2 года назад +4

    Great video! I might think of this when I upgrade from my old ender 3 v2 to a S1, but although your explaination ist grear, it's a whole bunch of work. Especially cutting of the buttom seems like a huge step for me. But a very great video, I loved the beginning :D

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад

      Some people just replace the stock fans with quieter versions that are the same size. That is the "smart" way to do it.

    • @Narsissy
      @Narsissy 2 года назад

      @@NathanBuildsRobots Could you drop a link to some?

  • @moulinherve8374
    @moulinherve8374 2 года назад +3

    Apart from the big resonance of the metal body and the Y motor, it is a good machine. The big fan Noctua eliminates no noise..
    But after some printing problems, I discovered a difference of 1mm in horizontal on the X axis. So it is to be monitored and corrected for new users.
    On your sprite cooling fixture, the fan for the Hot-End looks the same as the standard one?
    The loudest is the small 30 mm near the CR-Touch

  • @woodcat7180
    @woodcat7180 2 года назад +7

    And I was told putting 120mm fans on my E3v2 was an overkill. Great intro btw.

  • @EmptyPocketProductions
    @EmptyPocketProductions Год назад +1

    Just subbed, What IC was that - the hot one. So the viewers can opt to put a heatsink on there too. THanks

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  Год назад

      the one that was in the wire harness was super hot because I was using the wrong size fan

    • @EmptyPocketProductions
      @EmptyPocketProductions Год назад

      @@NathanBuildsRobots I mean that hot one on the mainboard

  • @TechAmbr
    @TechAmbr 2 года назад +1

    Agreed! Adding a bunch of brown to my Ender 3 was one of the best mods I've done to it.

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад +2

      I heard noctua is coming out with some 24v fans for the 3d printing market. It's gonna be sweet!

    • @TechAmbr
      @TechAmbr 2 года назад +1

      @@NathanBuildsRobots That would simplify things *so much*
      Buck converters are cheap, but less wires are always welcome!

  • @AndehX
    @AndehX 2 года назад +1

    those blowtorch segments always crack me up haha

  • @IsraelMolina1997
    @IsraelMolina1997 2 года назад +1

    You have a unique styleee! Nice videeo! Saludos desde Chile. (sorry my english haha)

  • @jw7641
    @jw7641 Год назад +1

    Why is there smoke coming out of the hole near the main board at 6:08?
    Edit: it might just be a bit of glue string.

  • @NicksStuff
    @NicksStuff 2 года назад +2

    I don't get the graph at 7:43
    What does fans at 100% mean? Is that just the part cooling fan or the others too? Why is it noisier than stock?

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад +1

      All fans are turned on for those tests.
      The 100% setting is louder than stock, but it is moving about 5-10x more air.
      A fair comparison in terms of equivalent part cooling performance is stock vs 10% on new fans.

    • @NicksStuff
      @NicksStuff 2 года назад +2

      @@NathanBuildsRobots Thanks

  • @MrKillerHobbes
    @MrKillerHobbes 2 года назад +1

    lol that intro, first time on your channel. insta sub

  • @fuglong
    @fuglong 2 года назад +1

    Absolutely love the intro lol

  • @djDuff86
    @djDuff86 2 года назад +3

    replacing fans is good idea. I would go for 24V (not 12V) as it is easier/faster to install thought a bit more expensive option.

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад +5

      Yeah, I have trouble finding high quality silent 24v fans. I wish Noctua would make some.

    • @danishlalahero
      @danishlalahero 2 года назад +2

      @@NathanBuildsRobots is the psu fan also 12v on an s1? In that case, Aerocool makes a 12v 200mm fan with 18dBa noise level. If I wasn't receiving a 60mm and 40mm today for psu and motherboard, I would have bought that instead, after seeing your video...

    • @martinsaur8819
      @martinsaur8819 Год назад

      maybe you could show a picture of the sprite mother board for the wiring? I don't get how you get 3 fans at the end (if you keep the original one on the left side

  • @Lurker1222
    @Lurker1222 Год назад +1

    A: that intro is cinematic art.
    B: I did the notcua fan mod to my Fokoos Odin 5 and haven't looked back.

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  Год назад

      Nice… the giant fan looks awesome and does a great job of cooling things with virtually no noise. Best thing is when you flip your printer on and second guess if you forgot to plug it in or broke it because you don’t hear a thing!

    • @Lurker1222
      @Lurker1222 Год назад

      @@NathanBuildsRobots My printer has an annoying *BEEEEEEP* Every time you turn it on. I'm so OCD about the noise that I got some thick foam double sided tape and covered the little black speaker on the board haha.

  • @zekeq1523
    @zekeq1523 7 месяцев назад

    lmao that intro was great! thanks for the tutorial too

  • @angelherrera4855
    @angelherrera4855 2 года назад +1

    for the buck converter is there somewhere you can have me look for a better idea on how to get it done. i get that you install it right off the psu just curious how. i have not popped mine open yet so haven't a clue. parts are in the mail because jesus is that psu fan driving me crazy.

  • @TBL_stevennelson
    @TBL_stevennelson 2 года назад +1

    Thanks for such a good video.

  • @LordHonkInc
    @LordHonkInc 2 года назад +2

    I've been using a 40x20 12V noctua for hotend cooling and a 120mm beQuiet (undervolted to 5V) in a custom electronics case and have had zero problems since I've installed them; the coldend has pretty much the same temp as stock (measured by hand) and the raspberry pi and motherboard run at around 35 celsius during prints (measured by klipper firmware). Should get to replacing the stock blower sometime, but procrastination is a strict mistress xD
    I've heard the 40x10 noctua is a bit underpowered, cooling-wise, though I haven't verified that claim myself; I just bought the 40x20 since the only good reason for the 10mm thin one is that it's a drop-in replacement for the stock mount (size-wise; you still have to regulate the voltage).
    Love the detailed walkthrough, though I personally would recommend using a second DC-DC buck converter instead of the zener. Not that it doesn't work - quite evidently it does - but I just don't like the thought of a passive component just toasting away in a cable somewhere. Again, just a personal recommendation and not a "don't do that" :)

    • @doestilvoort1
      @doestilvoort1 2 года назад

      @LordHonklnc Where did you use the 120mm fan?

  • @007craft
    @007craft 2 года назад +2

    I'm a bit confused here. You replaced the bottom motherboard fan and power supply fan with 1 big fan situated in the center at the bottom? I mean that would explain why the temperature was higher on the motherboard because you're no longer blowing air directly on top of it.
    But what Im confused about the most here is the actual reduction in sound for all this work? Judging by your graph, it looks like this new setup is even louder than the stock fans at 100%. Your chart doesnt show fan speed % for stock fans, so I assume that those bars are indicating the stock fans at 100%? How loud is the printer when stock fans are at 30% vs the new fans?

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад

      Good questions, unfortunately I can't answer with real data since my printer is already modified, but I can answer with how I "feel" about it.
      With the part cooling fan off using the old setup, it was only 2-3 dB quieter since the rest of the fans are quite loud.
      With the new fan at 100% it is providing about 4x more part cooling power than the stock setup, so while it is louder, it is also providing better cooling and print quality.
      With the fan set to ~20% I can't hear it at all and the part cooling is as good or better than the stock setup at 100%. Plus now I have the option to crank up the fans to get really good 75 degree overhang performance if I need it.

    • @007craft
      @007craft 2 года назад +2

      @@NathanBuildsRobots thanks for clarifying that. So it seems this is more of cooling mod to achieve better preformance rather than a sound reducing/slitent mod. I'm just building an enclosure now for my s1 and planning out everything and was wondering if I should do this setup, but it was throwing a wrench in my design as it required extra bottom clearance for the big fan and that means a taller case and more plexiglass I would need. I think I'll skip the bottom upgrades, but may end up doing the extruder fan upgrade if I find heat being a problem down the line.

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад

      @@007craft I am also testing a version with a 40mm noctua fan as the cooling fan. I will release that model as a free download on my patreon/thingiverse on the 28th

  • @Zane65205
    @Zane65205 2 года назад +7

    Another great video! I think my ender 3 S1 is too precious to me to do a silent fan mod. I am quite the noob at modding and I don't really want to risk breaking it. But I still love the mod!

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад +13

      Is like to make those adapters and sell them. Do you think $15 for a 2 pack is reasonable?

    • @JoeSchmoe24
      @JoeSchmoe24 2 года назад +3

      @@NathanBuildsRobots I would pay that.

    • @WasNiksIsNiksWordtNiks
      @WasNiksIsNiksWordtNiks 2 года назад +2

      @@NathanBuildsRobots very

    • @giraffehunter2848
      @giraffehunter2848 2 года назад +2

      @@NathanBuildsRobots I would be very interested

    • @rsunghun
      @rsunghun 2 года назад +2

      @@NathanBuildsRobots my ender 3 s1 has arrived few days ago and I wish you sell them.

  • @satibel
    @satibel Год назад

    you can get noctua redux fans which are grey and cheaper because they only come with the fan and a set of screws instead of all the adapters

  • @george1999days
    @george1999days 2 года назад +1

    I am a fan of this channel

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад

      But are you a big fan or a little fan? Both are welcome BTW

  • @wovenskin
    @wovenskin 2 года назад +1

    loving these mod videos!

  • @tonnyprasetya48
    @tonnyprasetya48 2 года назад +1

    Isnt that molex picoblade? Not JST

  • @tonnyprasetya48
    @tonnyprasetya48 2 года назад +1

    Isnt that creality is jst-sh 1mm?

  • @JavelinD
    @JavelinD Год назад

    Came for the noctua on the S1 mod. Stayed for that into.

  • @CraftWireServeren
    @CraftWireServeren 2 года назад +1

    Could you make the 5015 fan version ? :)

  • @aggarwaldipesh
    @aggarwaldipesh 2 года назад +1

    "If you go blind, you wouldn't be able to watch my videos anymore" 😂😂😂😂
    Great content man. Keep up the great work.

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад

      Somewhat of a recurring joke on my channel, that I'm more worried about my view count than your safety 😆
      But really, staying safe is more important. So take your time and protect yourself!

  • @OmegaCreationsChannel
    @OmegaCreationsChannel Год назад

    this intro is just next level :D haha

  • @nmos001
    @nmos001 2 года назад +6

    You should at least not cover that zener diode so it can more effectively dissipate the heat. They should not be operating close to 100c
    Using zener diodes to stepdown is horribly inefficient as the heat generated=(12v)*current. both 40x10, and 40x20 fans are pulling 0.5A based on label, hence the zener diode needs to dissipate 0.6w of heat. It is like if you used a 24ohm resistor there. Buck converters are a much better option or wire fans in series.

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад +1

      So that footage was when i was using a 4020 noctua fan with 2 parallel 150W 1/4w resistors for an equivalent 75 ohms of resistance. It was overvolting the fan and the tiny resistors were not dissipating enough heat.
      2nd try was with zener diode with leads trimmed short on a 4020 noctua fan, with 2 layers of shrink tube around it. Still was getting very hot amd melted the other wire it was next to.
      3rd try is 12v zener diode with leads left long (they act like little heatsinks and spread the heat out) and running a 4010 fan which uses 1/2 the power, with only 1 layer of shrink tube around the diode, and a couple layers around the wire next to it as shown in my install. Also I tucked the extra wire & diode I to the empty spot where the old blower fan was, so it's being actively cooled at least a little bit by the 4010 fan.
      It's running at 36C now, which I'm pretty sure it's OK.
      What do you think about the motherboard temps? It's a bit hotter than stock but is it enough to worry about?
      I never knew that 1 or 2 watts could get something over 150C before this, but hey I learned something new!

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад +1

      OOOOOHHHH WAIT
      The 4020 fan I was using was a 5V version. Which explains why it was pushing so much air at 12v! It was outperforming the stock fan and was just about as loud!
      Thanks for bringing this up, would not have caught that if I didn't take another look at my fans.

    • @nmos001
      @nmos001 2 года назад +1

      @@NathanBuildsRobots oh, that more reassuring, I thought you were running it with the diode above 100c. Theoretically, infinite temps can be achieved as long as the input power exceeds power dissipated, hence I was telling you to leave out the insulation around the diode.
      Your Mobo temp is perfectly reasonable. Most semiconductor run around 40-80 without any issues. Higher temps can significantly decrease life probably due to a combination of increasing electromigration and causing thermal migration of dopants.
      Also surprised that the 5v fan didn't get fried at 12v. Looks like they are well built.
      Love your videos, keep up the good work!

    • @tonywoolf
      @tonywoolf 2 года назад +1

      I am using 7812 voltage regulator for my Noctua 40x10 12V fan.

    • @mr.hammer1507
      @mr.hammer1507 2 года назад +1

      @@NathanBuildsRobots ​ Now I am a big confused, in the video you had the 12v zener measured 150C, was that heat due to the fact you put a 5V fan there (V 0,25W)?
      Because both the Noctua 10 and 20mm are having the same Watt, 0,6W at 0,05A.
      If I install as you did in the video but using the 12V (Noctua 40x20mm), will the heat be under control on the zener?

  • @onesadtech
    @onesadtech 11 месяцев назад

    Great overview of what goes into this modification! I just installed a Sprite Pro kit on my V2 so I'm not sure if the same fans will work, but I want to figure out something eventually cause the Sprite hotend is actually louder than the V2 one.

  • @chaicracker
    @chaicracker 2 года назад +2

    120 mm Blower fan!!!! YES!

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад

      Ok, I'll make a 120mm version. But why would you need that?

  • @gasparigi
    @gasparigi 2 года назад +1

    Ender 3 V2 had that problem, if you turn off part cooling the mainboard fan is also turned off. Is that the case with S1?

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад

      I'm not sure, but it seems like they carried over some of the design flaws from the Ender 3, so it wouldn't surprise me. The motherboard fan is constantly on unless you unplug the machine, which is really annoying to me.

  • @jpsfish5966
    @jpsfish5966 2 года назад

    These get better and better each time. I just put one of these bad boys on my Aquila and a SKR Mini 3.0. Too bad nothing happened when I turned it on…not sure what I did wrong yet.

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад +1

      A multimeter is great for checking to see if your wires are done correctly, if the fan is seeing 12v it will turn on! Just remember , positive to yellow, negative to black.

    • @jpsfish5966
      @jpsfish5966 2 года назад +1

      Thanks. I just got a multimeter and have yet to try it out. I don’t think the fan is the issue. They don’t boot up with the board on the 3.0. The stock board fried when the hot end hit the bed. So both the fan and the board are new. This should be a drop in for the Aquila X2 but nothing powered up. I probably did something wrong. But hey I didn’t see sparks or smoke, so any crash you can walk away from right?

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад

      @@jpsfish5966Damm, how did you run the hotend into the bed? That shouldn't be possible!

  • @satoshipokemon8411
    @satoshipokemon8411 2 года назад +2

    Can i use this also for the "3 S1 PRO" ? Edit: yes is also working for s1 Pro

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад +1

      Thanks for beta testing. I just got a pro and was going to try this too

    • @satoshipokemon8411
      @satoshipokemon8411 2 года назад +1

      @@NathanBuildsRobots i did remix you part with another one, so i got a dual duct for a single 5015 and a 4020 fan both fans are 24 volts so no needs for doing voltage conversions and the sunon fan is really silent and cheap while blowing more air than the expensive noctua ones. look for the mf40202v2-1000u-a99 there is also 1 variant thats a little better on airflow but also little louder

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад

      @@satoshipokemon8411 nice. I think I bought a couple 24v Sunons to try out. Only annoying thing is they aren't on Amazon Prime

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад +1

      @@satoshipokemon8411
      The 2 models I bought: amzn.to/3H2iIBd
      amzn.to/3x7WJUR

    • @satoshipokemon8411
      @satoshipokemon8411 2 года назад +1

      @@NathanBuildsRobots already excited about what you will do with them. by the way, 3s1 pro auto level/mesh is somehow bugged if you have problems just reset the printer and use manual level 🥲. wasted hours trying to figure out whats wrong 😂 butt seems some firmware bug and no newer fw available till now

  • @MichaelWatersJ
    @MichaelWatersJ 2 года назад +4

    The intro is like the adult swim version of CNC kitchen. I love it.

  • @elijahf111
    @elijahf111 2 года назад +1

    you should do a comparison with the upgraded printer and an original ender with non silent stepper drivers

  • @VicHaunter
    @VicHaunter 2 года назад +1

    Did you created at the end the version with 2 5015? i am interested in thankyou

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад +1

      I have not yet. I'm working on a new breakout board PCB for the Ender 3 S1, I'll be designing some new fan mounts for that soon.

  • @Serbo-Greek
    @Serbo-Greek 2 года назад +1

    The sound that my S1 pro makes is crazy. Just the fans. I need to replace them. I would like to see another video for the pro version, maybe more updated with links to buy the thinks we need. That would be awsome.

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад +2

      The fan replacement process should be very similar for the Pro, but I may do another episode on S1 Pro fan replacement. It won't be out until next month, but it should be interesting.
      At higher speeds the Y axis on my Pro is loud compared to the normal S1, almost to the point where the fan noise doesnt matter.

    • @Serbo-Greek
      @Serbo-Greek 2 года назад

      @@NathanBuildsRobots Thank you for your work! I will wait, and I will share the video in this facebook group that are s1/s1 pro owners only. This would be very helpful. (P.S. if possible, try with less crazy thing, cutting the bottom so mutch and cutting original cables, are very scary things to see)

  • @wic000410h
    @wic000410h 11 месяцев назад

    what is this tool called he used at 5:19?

  • @danielharris3827
    @danielharris3827 Год назад

    I had a HeroMe set up on my E3P and all Noctua except part cooling which used 2 5015s. I just got a sprite, and it is LOUD! But, I don't know how I feel about modding the Sprite yet... I really need to build another machine. Like the eyeballs!

  • @JacobTech-3567
    @JacobTech-3567 11 месяцев назад +1

    Have you let prints run for a long time using this setup?
    I ask because I have a similar setup (slightly different design) using 2x 4020 Sunon Maglev axial fans (One for hotend and one for part cooling), and heat creep inevitably sets in for any print longer than 60 mins in duration.
    Upon further reading Noctua NF-A4X10 has a lower CFM than the Sunon fan. However, the Noctua provides higher static pressure. Can you advise please?
    Great video as always Nathan.

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  11 месяцев назад +1

      I didn't have any issues. The way I designed this it provides much more cooling than some others I have looked at. The fan recirculates air against the parts its up against, in addition to pushing air through the heatsink.
      I've since swapped the hotend over to using an entirely different printhead (Microswiss NG)

    • @JacobTech-3567
      @JacobTech-3567 11 месяцев назад

      ​ @NathanBuildsRobots I'll try a few setups. Thanks for your reply.

  • @bwloawesome
    @bwloawesome 2 года назад +1

    Your bolts in the part list above go to an m2 set. Will those work?

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад +1

      The Amazon listing got changed, I updated it to a new M3 set.

  • @cp001cp001
    @cp001cp001 2 года назад +1

    I have six ender 3 pro, and they have all been running with blocked power supply fans since day 1 to remove the incredibly loud noise. I yanked a zip tie into the fan to stop it spinning. Problem solved.

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад

      Lol, nice

    • @cp001cp001
      @cp001cp001 2 года назад +1

      @@NathanBuildsRobots for two years, Nate, and we are running ABS parts at high Heat = high load on the power supply...

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад

      @@cp001cp001 I wonder if the vertical power supply mounting is helping keep things cool even without the fan.

  • @aim6mac
    @aim6mac 2 года назад +2

    can you please make a 5015 fan version?

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад

      Alright, will do

    • @aim6mac
      @aim6mac 2 года назад

      @@NathanBuildsRobots if you make a noctua partscooling fan version then no need for 5015 blower fan version for me :p

    • @xxxxxxxxsubxxxxxxxx
      @xxxxxxxxsubxxxxxxxx 2 года назад +1

      Add another to the 5015 request here

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад +1

      @@xxxxxxxxsubxxxxxxxx OK, ok!

  • @DJProPlusMax
    @DJProPlusMax Год назад

    NONONONONO with that power supply cover!

  • @thad8919
    @thad8919 2 года назад +1

    When I was cutting out the hole for the 200mm fan my bottom panel got all mangled, it’s beyond fixing, what should I do?

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад

      You didn't need that panel anyways 🙃
      Personally, I would hammer it back flat and make it work

  • @asilgado
    @asilgado Год назад +1

    Fantastic video, thank you very much! Why don't you put one (or two) buck converter(s) from 24v to 12v between the motherboard and the wire into the case?

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  Год назад

      I figured the always on approach is more failsafe than running it through the motherboard. There might be cases where the PSU is on and drawing lots of power, but the motherboard fan is off (like when heating up the bed at the start of a print).

  • @b3owu1f
    @b3owu1f 2 года назад +1

    The link on Thingiverse for the feet.. to buy the squash balls.. goes to an M2 screw set instead. Might need to update that. What size squash balls did you use?

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад

      Squash balls should all be the same size. You want the softest ones, which should be double yellow dot.

    • @b3owu1f
      @b3owu1f 2 года назад +1

      When I do amazon search get all sorts of squash balls and sizes. A link to one you know fits and works well would be better.

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад

      I have purchased these for 4 of my printers, works every time!
      amzn.to/3tIpG8K (affiliate link)

  • @kukindal
    @kukindal Год назад +1

    Will a 1W Zenner diode work instead of a 5W like you’re using? My NF-A4x20 Noctua fan has a max input power of 0.6W.

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  Год назад

      Probably, I just like using the larger ones because they run slightly cooler

  • @tonnyprasetya48
    @tonnyprasetya48 2 года назад +1

    Please tell me abiut the feet, squash ball, where to mount it?

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад +1

      Files and Pictures can be found here:
      www.patreon.com/posts/62155640
      www.patreon.com/posts/62156070
      The feet bolt on to the existing holes on the bottom of the machine, and 2 t-slot nuts

  • @smkole2
    @smkole2 2 года назад +1

    your hysterical!

  • @ydooWoody1
    @ydooWoody1 Год назад +1

    Assuming one was going for silent replacement rather than overkill super-cool on the PSU, off-hand, what are the fan dimensions for direct brown fan replacement?

  • @1980humbe
    @1980humbe 2 года назад +1

    Hi there, can you share the setting to printing with PETG? The Nozzle and base plate temperature, Fan speed, etc...

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад

      I use mostly the same settings as I do with PLA.
      Differences are:
      Usually I do 70C bed, 240C hotend.
      Fan speed limit set to 50%
      also, I don't push the speed as much as I do with PLA

    • @1980humbe
      @1980humbe 2 года назад

      Thanks! 👌

    • @1980humbe
      @1980humbe 2 года назад +1

      Another question, what was the position you used to get the best result of printing?

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад

      @@1980humbe I place it in the middle of the bed whenever possible. It has the most even temperature

  • @avgjoeshow4208
    @avgjoeshow4208 2 года назад

    I want to do this but I don’t wanna go cutting any wires. Can’t I just get a 12v fan instead of buying the 24 and messing with wires?

  • @aim6mac
    @aim6mac 2 года назад +1

    does the zener diode reach temperatures of 150 degrees celcius ????? wtf?

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад

      That was a shot while powering the 40x20 noctua. The 40x10 noctua is half the power so should run a bit cooler.
      Zener diodes drop the voltage by turning it into heat, so they get hot! 🔥

    • @aim6mac
      @aim6mac 2 года назад

      @@NathanBuildsRobots not sure how u were intending to make a partscoolingfan for noctua fans , but i was thinking: how about making the gap where the blower fan blows through bigger to be able to horizontally lay flat a noctua 40mm fan on there?

  • @_nom_
    @_nom_ 2 года назад +1

    Are we able to get the raw pcb sent to us from China? Your site doesn't ship globally, and the price of coming from the US would be a lot

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад

      Hi Nom,
      I am operating more like a niche product development firm, where I offer high quality goods that are professionally assembled and tested. The proceeds go towards paying off development costs and funding more innovative products.
      I am in contact with distributors that may be able to offer discounts and local shipping rates once I enter full-rate production in December.

  • @khoiNguyen-ws7wc
    @khoiNguyen-ws7wc 2 года назад +1

    Hi nathan
    I saw picture : yellow wire ( from noctua fan) connect to diode. Is it right? Yellow wire of noctua control speed.

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад

      Hi Khoi, in my experience with Noctua fans, yellow is positive, black is ground. Blue/green are PWM wires. Other manufacturers assign yellow to PWM sometimes.
      Check out this article by Noctua:
      noctua.at/en/what-pin-configuration-do-noctua-products-use

  • @nathankean7968
    @nathankean7968 2 года назад +1

    Does the noctua help with the over hangs? I can’t get over 60 with just the 4020

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад

      The Noctua 4020 axial fans dont move a lot of air due to their low static pressure. A 4020 blower fan or 5015 blower fan would get you at least 75 degree overhangs. For reference, the stock fan is a 4010 blower fan

  • @brandonpinkney880
    @brandonpinkney880 2 года назад +1

    I am likely just going to replace each fan directly for the power supply and motherboard to start.
    I got a screencap of the motherboard fan (CHA6024RL-15B 24V 0.10A), but not the power supply fan.
    If you still have it kicking around, can you let me know what part it is? Thanks!

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад

      I haven't looked at my S1 in a while, been tied up getting a couple reviews made. But I will be looking at my S1 hopefully in a couple weeks and I can check.

  • @WaschyNumber1
    @WaschyNumber1 2 года назад +1

    The side cutters are not even made for that work you have used then, no wonder they breake, they are only for cutting electronics small wires and legs from resistors and similar work, use propper tools for the work and they hold much longer.

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад

      I consider the clippers I was using as "borderline acceptable" for the job, with safety glasses as necessary precaution. They are high-quality American made cutter that can probably make 1,000 - 10,000 cuts before breaking, which is better than most tools you get at a hardware store.
      The ones that come with the printer are too thin and would break in 10-100 cuts and are definitely a no-go.

    • @WaschyNumber1
      @WaschyNumber1 2 года назад +1

      @@NathanBuildsRobots I cut a thicker piece plastic with a side cutters I thought it could be done, but than the one blade snapped and was flying in my direction, it's always better to wear saefty glasse. 😬

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад

      @@WaschyNumber1 quality control is extremely important for tools subject to repetitive high stresses, like cutters.
      Simple mistakes in processing can result in a loss of 90% or more of its strength.

  • @pimmen85
    @pimmen85 Год назад

    i see substansial "wobbling" of the whole printer i i go even a little bit fast, are you compensation the softer/higher feet with slow print speed?

  • @premium3121
    @premium3121 2 года назад +1

    Does it matter if I use 3-pin or 4-pin fans?

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад

      It don't think it matters. I heard reviews saying the 4-pin fans are slightly quieter, so I went with the 4 pin versions.

  • @creazinstincz7122
    @creazinstincz7122 2 года назад +1

    Would you make your f3d files available?

  • @TheVincentosborne1
    @TheVincentosborne1 4 месяца назад

    do you need to install buck converter on the fan?

  • @Uni-qk5tx
    @Uni-qk5tx 2 года назад +1

    Hi Im wondering why your Motherboard and Stepper drivers has increased. You only opened the case and used bigger heat sinks and still uses the same fan right? Why does this lead to higher temperatures?

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад

      The old motherboard fan was placed directly above the motherboard, so it directed a lot of cooling air right onto it.
      With my current setup, the motherboard is just in the exhaust path of the big fan. So not as direct airflow.
      Also I noticed that some prints were done on PLA and some were done with PETG. PETG runs at higher temperatures, and draws more current, so everything on the motherboard gets hotter.
      These are not research grade publications with all variables controlled as well as they could be. Just my modding, ramblings, and personal anecdotal evidence.

    • @Uni-qk5tx
      @Uni-qk5tx 2 года назад

      @@NathanBuildsRobots Ah I didnt know that u got rid of the motherboard fan. I gonna keep it.
      Should I mind the maximum power of the power supply or can I connect without problems a new Power supply fan and a rasperry Pi?

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад

      @@Uni-qk5tx To be honest, I'm not sure! I think it should be equivalent to the previous fan

  • @ATK2112
    @ATK2112 2 года назад +1

    Hey can anyone let me know if the stock blower fan behind the CR Touch is disabled and left in place or taken out? I'm about to make this modification but using the "4020 Axial" version with two Noctua fans and I'm a bit unsure about this specifically. Any help would be appreciated, Thanks.

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад +1

      I took it out. Should help with airflow. But the trick about my fan duct, and the reason it works better than most alternatives, is the fan actually produces a lot of cooling by stirring the air against the face its up against, not just the flow through the heatsink.

    • @ATK2112
      @ATK2112 2 года назад +1

      @@NathanBuildsRobots Awesome, Thank you for these designs, the video instructions and also getting back to me on this personally. I laughed my ass off at the Intro skit, once again thanks i appreciate all of this.

  • @aim6mac
    @aim6mac 2 года назад +1

    Hi Nathan, any update on the partscoolingfan noctua model yet?

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад

      It and the 5015 will be publicly released on Feb 28th. If you want access to the closed beta we are testing it out on Patreon:
      www.patreon.com/posts/62368547

    • @aim6mac
      @aim6mac 2 года назад +1

      @@NathanBuildsRobots I'd love to but too bad i dont own a credit card :(

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад

      @@aim6mac send me a message on discord or email
      www.nathanbuildsrobots.com/contact

    • @aim6mac
      @aim6mac 2 года назад +1

      @@NathanBuildsRobots i just did :)

  • @luebecker_pappe
    @luebecker_pappe 2 года назад +1

    I don't dare touch the electronics. I'm just too stupid for that. Do you have any tips for me?

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад

      I would like to make a simple adapter like the one i made in this video and sell them on my website.
      That you can just plug 1 side into the fan port and the other side into the noctua fan. I really wish 3d printers would move to the ATX standard, like what computers use. That way there would be standardized pins and connectors, and easier upgrades.

  • @Mr_Zisky
    @Mr_Zisky 2 года назад +1

    How do I validate that my hotend is cooled enough (without termocamera)? (I want to install different fans, not the same as you did)

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад

      As long as you don't have any issues with the printer clogging or underextruding, you're fine. I think all metal heatbreaks are better at insulating the hot and cold parts, so I can get away with using a smaller fan.

  • @rottajuliano
    @rottajuliano Год назад

    The diode seems quite inefficient, why not one of those poststamp size dc step down converters? Would be cool to see a design that fits a MP1584EN converter on the model

    • @anbu94
      @anbu94 Год назад

      Why not just use a 40x20mm 24v fan? That seems like the easiest solution to me unless I'm missing something.

  • @817abn
    @817abn 2 года назад +1

    I added just the parts fan only version and I'm having issues with the fan not coming on/ not coming on full power because of the extruder motor. Did u have this problem? I'm using the fan from your parts list

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад

      Yes I had that issue. Which version are you using? The issue was documented in the 5015, but I posted a fixed version.
      Is it the 4020 blower? I might need to modify that one too, moving the fan upwards

  • @wskwong2000
    @wskwong2000 2 года назад +1

    I saw they have the option of the silent board upgrade on their website. Does that mean it doesn't come with a silent board as standard?

  • @Github_tech_with_ty
    @Github_tech_with_ty 2 года назад +1

    M3 bolts don't fit any suggestions?

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад

      For which part? If it's the printed part, you may need to reprint with smaller holes, or shrink them some other way.
      I have a toolkit with m2,m3,m4, and m5 books, and have always been able to find screws that fit for my 3d printer mods.

    • @Github_tech_with_ty
      @Github_tech_with_ty 2 года назад

      @@NathanBuildsRobots for the duct part for the fan my holes were too small for m3 and couldn't find any smaller had to heat up a screw and drill through it to make it bigger

  • @moulinherve8374
    @moulinherve8374 2 года назад +1

    Incredible, I did the editing with the A20FLX 12v noctua, at the start I thought that the ender did not work...
    Only for the head, but the zener diodes... Kind of freak me out.
    Can we mount a Noctua 40x40x10 to cool the heating block instead of the existing one?
    Thank you for your good advice.

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад

      I like to use 5015 blower fans for part cooling, and noctua 40x10 for cooking the hotend heatsink

    • @MarlboroM1
      @MarlboroM1 2 года назад

      Yes, zener is not good idea😀 But, my solution is configuring firmware, in firmware you can change PWM from 255 to 127 and this is in output 12V..

  • @SuperPablo565
    @SuperPablo565 Год назад

    Thanks for this great video. One question: Where to connect the voltage for the fan, placing the voltage reducer. Thank you

  • @DursunX
    @DursunX Год назад

    im here for the Lamb's reference...
    oh and i also own noisey beasts

  • @Wiikendzgoodmix
    @Wiikendzgoodmix 2 года назад +1

    Would you mind sharing all youre retraction settings? Cant seem to get rid of stringing on my stock S1..

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  2 года назад +1

      I use 1.2mm of retraction and get good results.
      I go over how I set up my print profiles in Prusaslicer on my website:
      www.nathanbuildsrobots.com/testing/ender3s1

  • @Promethium666
    @Promethium666 Год назад +1

    This is a brilliant cooler, it printed fantastically and it's such a nice addition.
    I followed the wiring guide for the noctua flx 40x10 and the zenner diode as shown but when connecting the fan and testing it i get nothing from it, could that be a bad zenner diode? I checked the pins when making the connector so the wires match polarity.

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  Год назад +1

      The noctua 3 pin and 4 pin use different wires for the + side. One uses red, other uses yellow. Try checking the pinout for your specific fan

    • @Promethium666
      @Promethium666 Год назад

      ​@@NathanBuildsRobots I looked up a pin diagram and yeah I was wired up to the speed sensor (yellow) and not the 12v (red) as i butchered the wires directly from the fan.
      Many thanks for your help, your videos, and your modderboard Nathan, mine just came today :)
      Cheers mate, keep on moddin!

  • @martinsaur8819
    @martinsaur8819 Год назад +1

    nice video! going for it asap, do you keep the fan on the left side of the sprite? I don't understand where to plug 2 fan if you do keep the one on the left could you explain that to me? my English isn't that good so I might not have understood something in the video! good job anyway!

    • @NathanBuildsRobots
      @NathanBuildsRobots  Год назад

      Yes, you can remove the left side fan. Also, if you join the discord you can ask about other fan mods for the hotend. There are some good options out there that aren’t by me