What's important to remember is that the correctness or incorrectness of Darth's position is as unimportant as any other philosophical claim- it will be debated, but not being able to take a position or even being unaware of the debate has no more effect on how we live our lives than any other such issues. It's not as though the ground of all being were, I don't know, a person who expects to be treated like an absolute ruler and will punish you if you don't. Those are the characteristics of human beings, not ultimate absolutes.
Darth doesn't understand that by claiming everyone knows god exists but is running from it is not only a lie, but calling everyone else a liar. He is insulting aside from foul an arrogant. You start telling me what I know and hell yes I am going to stop you right there because you have no right to tell others what they know or believe. If you think they are all liars Darth why ever debate any? Seems you just enjoy calling others a liar. What a life.
He must be high on exhaust fumes from living in his car.... edit, oops, soundds like this was from a little while back when he was living in filth an mouse poop.
I can’t even finish the video. Darth is mind numbingly stoopid. Confusing ontological claims with epistemological claims is basic shit that he can’t even get past.
These can be tough to get through. I can take it in short bursts but it get's insufferable after time. Yet, I come back for more lol. Guess I like the dumpster fires.
Darth is too old & stubborn for Flat Earth. But what's the excuse for the younger Christians around him? Parakeet, etc? They understand Presup, so they can't possibly be as obtuse as they're acting when it comes to the earth debate. They're outta excuses.
These streams where darth is recorded, palling around with his minions, cracking jokes, talking about politics or technology are even worse to listen to than his usual unhinged theist presup garbage
Darth wants us to believe something we don't in order to confirm something we don't know. It's just another layer of unknown fuckery. Gives philosophers something to haggle over I guess but to the rest of us it is unconvincing entertainment. Explains why Darth doesn't exactly have a line of people waiting to repent.
DD, in some ways, makes Presups look bad, especially to the atheist & truther communities. It's not the atheists that concern me. Their opinions carry little weight to serious intellectuals. It's the truthers. Some of the very best & brightest Christians I've ever met have been truthers. I'm talking about the kind of people who far exceed normal intellectual ability, to the point it's incomprehensible. The type of people the word "genius" is actually intended to describe. Of course, not all truthers are like that, but the very best and brightest I've ever known, on a personal level, have all been truthers. I know one personally who is a card-carrying MENSA member. He never mentions this or brags about it. and I don't mention his name because I'm not even sure he wants ppl to know. On what basis does DD refuse to engage with truthers? Other than simply because he disagrees? It comes across as very hypocritical. If DD has nothing to be afraid of, he'd feel confident enough to defend his views against truthers. But he avoids it like the plague with endless excuses, usually just via ridicule tactics. A tactic atheists normally use against Presups.
Not sure what you mean by "Truthers". I only hear that term used in the tin hat conspiracy theory nutcase world... even a Mensa member can be a nut case. Conspiracy theory has become an industry. There is a lot of money to be made from the gullible not unlike how religions do. I find it hard to believe any of the leaders of this industry believe any of it. It's harmful on so many levels. Now if you mean something else I take it back. But I have never heard the term "truther" used in a positive way. Quite the contrary they easily believe lies and absurdities yet ignore or reject all credible evidence suggesting otherwise.
He was highlighting why it's fallacious to use your subjective psychological state as your position in a debate. If both sides did that, then both sides would be true. So, in debate, both sides must actually include propositional content in their position. You can't debate against someone's subjective psychological state, such as "lacking belief in God" or "not being convinced of God" just as you can't debate against my subjective belief in God.
@@Winslow920 I don't think that's what he's doing. I could be wrong, but it seems to me like he's equivocating between epistemology and ontology again, which he always does.
@brik74 it's exactly what he was doing. And Presups don't equivocate between Epistemology and Ontology, despite the common accusation (which results from people simply getting confused and not understanding what is actually being argued).
@brik74 Imagine trying to debate whether or not someone else has a headache. Can't be done... because only that person experiences it. But more importantly, both sides of any paradigm-level debate necessarily have a worldview to defend. You can't just not have a worldview to defend... since, without a worldview, you wouldn't even be able to speak intelligibly or engage in debate to begin with. So, when atheists try to dodge their burden to defend their non-theistic worldview by defining their position as their subjective psychological state (lack of belief in God) that is a fallacy... an invalid debate position. If that was allowed, theists could just define their position as a lack of belief that any non-theistic worldview is true... and they'd also have no burden. Do you see how fallacious and silly it is? Both sides necessarily have a wordlview to defend. No one can avoid a burden in paradigm-level debates. It's impossible
@@Winslow920 I don't even necessarily disagree with what you're saying. It is illogical to say that God exists and doesn't exist. This is the argument that Darth thinks he's making, but his wording is all wrong. If he cared at all about clarity, he would fix his wording.
it is true the theistic proposition is that god exists, it is also true that the atheistic proposition is the negation of the theistic proposition. however, this does not say anything about the truth of the propositions themselves, but only about what the propositions say. DD employs cheap tricks, as always.
I will hand it to Darth. He is one expert bullshit artist. I am not sure if he understands we see right through his BS with all this babbling about an ultimate whatever that requires no empirical evidence, just believe what Darth says. He is literally attempting to word salad a god into existence. Sorry Darth some of us need evidence or just show us the god. The words are not even a start.
What's important to remember is that the correctness or incorrectness of Darth's position is as unimportant as any other philosophical claim- it will be debated, but not being able to take a position or even being unaware of the debate has no more effect on how we live our lives than any other such issues. It's not as though the ground of all being were, I don't know, a person who expects to be treated like an absolute ruler and will punish you if you don't. Those are the characteristics of human beings, not ultimate absolutes.
"So would you rather spend eternity in hell... or be server muted by Gary?"
"Gulp... I'd rather spend eternity in hell if that's OK with you".
Darth doesn't understand that by claiming everyone knows god exists but is running from it is not only a lie, but calling everyone else a liar. He is insulting aside from foul an arrogant. You start telling me what I know and hell yes I am going to stop you right there because you have no right to tell others what they know or believe. If you think they are all liars Darth why ever debate any? Seems you just enjoy calling others a liar. What a life.
He must be high on exhaust fumes from living in his car.... edit, oops, soundds like this was from a little while back when he was living in filth an mouse poop.
Darth Dawkin should have discovered that he is illogical
I can’t even finish the video. Darth is mind numbingly stoopid. Confusing ontological claims with epistemological claims is basic shit that he can’t even get past.
These can be tough to get through. I can take it in short bursts but it get's insufferable after time. Yet, I come back for more lol. Guess I like the dumpster fires.
Darth is too old & stubborn for Flat Earth. But what's the excuse for the younger Christians around him? Parakeet, etc?
They understand Presup, so they can't possibly be as obtuse as they're acting when it comes to the earth debate.
They're outta excuses.
Isolated RUclips videos of DD being an obnoxious arsehole - yeah right.
These streams where darth is recorded, palling around with his minions, cracking jokes, talking about politics or technology are even worse to listen to than his usual unhinged theist presup garbage
Darth wants us to believe something we don't in order to confirm something we don't know. It's just another layer of unknown fuckery. Gives philosophers something to haggle over I guess but to the rest of us it is unconvincing entertainment. Explains why Darth doesn't exactly have a line of people waiting to repent.
Still looking for ol' LBTT? Is he/she/they/it on vacation??😁
Probably just late.
DD, in some ways, makes Presups look bad, especially to the atheist & truther communities. It's not the atheists that concern me. Their opinions carry little weight to serious intellectuals. It's the truthers. Some of the very best & brightest Christians I've ever met have been truthers. I'm talking about the kind of people who far exceed normal intellectual ability, to the point it's incomprehensible. The type of people the word "genius" is actually intended to describe. Of course, not all truthers are like that, but the very best and brightest I've ever known, on a personal level, have all been truthers. I know one personally who is a card-carrying MENSA member. He never mentions this or brags about it. and I don't mention his name because I'm not even sure he wants ppl to know.
On what basis does DD refuse to engage with truthers? Other than simply because he disagrees? It comes across as very hypocritical. If DD has nothing to be afraid of, he'd feel confident enough to defend his views against truthers. But he avoids it like the plague with endless excuses, usually just via ridicule tactics. A tactic atheists normally use against Presups.
Yet so many, many serious intellectuals are... atheist!! Sorry, queen jesus, but you're just plain wrong.
Not sure what you mean by "Truthers". I only hear that term used in the tin hat conspiracy theory nutcase world... even a Mensa member can be a nut case. Conspiracy theory has become an industry. There is a lot of money to be made from the gullible not unlike how religions do. I find it hard to believe any of the leaders of this industry believe any of it. It's harmful on so many levels.
Now if you mean something else I take it back. But I have never heard the term "truther" used in a positive way. Quite the contrary they easily believe lies and absurdities yet ignore or reject all credible evidence suggesting otherwise.
Even parakeet showed dumbkins argument was stupid and he still carried on!
Has anyone heard darth or his minions prove god yet?
No, and they never will.
I need help getting unblocked
No idea why I’m blocked
Most of been years ago
It's true that some people believe in God (theism) and that some people do not believe in God (atheism). Darth is horribly confused.
He was highlighting why it's fallacious to use your subjective psychological state as your position in a debate. If both sides did that, then both sides would be true.
So, in debate, both sides must actually include propositional content in their position. You can't debate against someone's subjective psychological state, such as "lacking belief in God" or "not being convinced of God" just as you can't debate against my subjective belief in God.
@@Winslow920 I don't think that's what he's doing. I could be wrong, but it seems to me like he's equivocating between epistemology and ontology again, which he always does.
@brik74 it's exactly what he was doing. And Presups don't equivocate between Epistemology and Ontology, despite the common accusation (which results from people simply getting confused and not understanding what is actually being argued).
@brik74 Imagine trying to debate whether or not someone else has a headache. Can't be done... because only that person experiences it.
But more importantly, both sides of any paradigm-level debate necessarily have a worldview to defend. You can't just not have a worldview to defend... since, without a worldview, you wouldn't even be able to speak intelligibly or engage in debate to begin with.
So, when atheists try to dodge their burden to defend their non-theistic worldview by defining their position as their subjective psychological state (lack of belief in God) that is a fallacy... an invalid debate position.
If that was allowed, theists could just define their position as a lack of belief that any non-theistic worldview is true... and they'd also have no burden.
Do you see how fallacious and silly it is? Both sides necessarily have a wordlview to defend. No one can avoid a burden in paradigm-level debates. It's impossible
@@Winslow920 I don't even necessarily disagree with what you're saying. It is illogical to say that God exists and doesn't exist. This is the argument that Darth thinks he's making, but his wording is all wrong. If he cared at all about clarity, he would fix his wording.
it is true the theistic proposition is that god exists, it is also true that the atheistic proposition is the negation of the theistic proposition. however, this does not say anything about the truth of the propositions themselves, but only about what the propositions say. DD employs cheap tricks, as always.
I will hand it to Darth. He is one expert bullshit artist. I am not sure if he understands we see right through his BS with all this babbling about an ultimate whatever that requires no empirical evidence, just believe what Darth says. He is literally attempting to word salad a god into existence. Sorry Darth some of us need evidence or just show us the god. The words are not even a start.