Will It Rally? BMW 3 Series
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- Опубликовано: 1 июн 2024
- Will It Rally? Ride along as we test the limits of different vehicles on our skidpad and slalom areas, before putting them against the stopwatch on a mountainous rally stage here at Team O'Neil. The BMW 3 Series. A staple in the car community for enthusiast of all sorts of competitive driving backgrounds. This E46 325i should be a fun time, and I think we know the answer already...Will It Rally?
00:00 Intro
01:28 Shakedown
10:02 Timed Run
12:32 Conclusion
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I still can't believe this thing on generic snow tires beat an ADV bike, a pickup truck, and two SUVs, all much newer than it, on the dirt. This video has forever convinced me that changing from normal-size cars to SUVs was one of the worst things that could have ever happened.
The Ultimate Driving Machine
Low center of gravity, decent suspension, no unnecessary size meaning reasonable weight... And it just flies.
here in scandinavia we use these 3 series a lot in rally. great cars for people getting into rally and dont have a lot of money.
The current market trends shows how stupid most people are or has become.
A smaller, lighter, sportier vehicle is faster than SUVs and pickup trucks? Whoda thunk?
I miss this series. Will it rally is awesome.
Thank you for watching!
It’s not gone! They’re still making new “Will It Rally” videos
@@TranceFur one video every few months though
Will it rally is friggin sick
@@dragonbuttits better than nothing.
In summary, for those who don't have patience lol, the E46 as used in this video proves to be a fantastic entry level seat-time car for those looking to get into rally. On top of that, factors that make it good are the great weight balance, enough steering angle, and decent handling out of the box. The car in the video is modified very little, just suspension and brakes, and they mostly focused on giving it a decent tune up and new fluids to start. No matter your level of skill and training, this is a fun rally for all skill levels!
Low power down low can very easily be the DISA variable manifold geometry. Very common failure on these engines and when mine failed it didn't throw an engine light or anything, just felt a bit dead down low.
Yeah DISA or most likely VANOS seals
@@malteserwfjvanos seals definitely need to be replaced. Easy and cheap. Wakes m54 up well.
I am competing in a rally series with a e46 BMW and I love it. The balance and turning is really nice and it's a really capable car.
This time it was a rhetoric question
You should test out an e39 5 series to see if the longer wheelbase and slightly heavier weight make a difference
And an e38 7 series just for good measure
Pretty sure it will be quite a bit worse, especially on narrow twisty roads.
3.0L M54 with an auto diff ratio swap and a manual ZF trans is such a good basic setup
I ran a 99 e46 in grassroots rally, it was relatively competitive.
Always love watching Wyatt...been to the school and still love watching the content. Thanks guys.
Thank you for watching!
Thanks for this video. Thanks for you back in this team.
As someone who’s been trying to get their E46 to a rally spec it would be amazing to see what modifications have been done by y’all. Specifically how you got the ride height. I’ve got Koni active struts and Xi springs and rear spring pads but I’m still slightly lower than you. I am in a coupe though if that matters at all 🤣
I used to own a 2005 E46 325i, and I just have to say it was lovely to drive. I miss that car.
but do you miss the maintenance?
@@salami99 I had an 04 E46 325i and can say I did not miss the maintenance. Wasn't too bad when it only had one thing that was broken at a time, I would fix things as they cropped up. Ended up selling it when the moon roof no longer wanted to stay on the rails, a mysterious parasitic drain would drain the battery over night if I didn't disconnect a terminal when parking, the driver side door lock cylinder broke and became completely free spinning, and the main seal started leaking oil, all within a period of about 3 months lol
I bought a Ford F150 that I drove for a few years after that. But recently bought an F90 M5, so will see how my luck with BMW fares this time around haha
we love ya Wyatt, keep it up
You may be hitting the limiter early if no information is coming through the right rear ABS sensor which gives you speedometer readings and gives you full range of rpm to redline.
E series? Cmon guys.
Now I would like to see a Ford E-Series on this segment 😂
Would love to see what you'd do with the 3.0L engine. It's significantly more meaty than the 2.5L with 225 hp / 221 ft-lb (at just 3500 rpm). Also, it's likely your 325 manual has the 3.15 final drive (long autobahn gearing lol). You could get a 3.46 out of an automatic for relatively cheap that will spice things up immediately. Overall, love the work you guys do!
Right
I regret selling my 2005 330i to this day. That car was just fantastic
I have a e60 530i with m54b30. 265k miles. Runs great. Just did the trans fluid and filter two days ago actually. Shifts buttery
Only do a oil pump nut fix and its solid af
@@kylefracaro5087
Must of had a lot of fun with it! I dream of owning a car like that someday, at least you got to experience it 😊
I'd love to see a few other cars
Crown vic
tesla or electric car
An ambulance/firetruck
Ford Mustang
A limo 😂
A dry run of the Ford SUV police car.
A will it rally shootout between some similar cars like the ex police cars, soccer mom suvs, luxury suvs....
Having said that i love the content you guys create
Some of the best content on the 'tube. Thank you.
could you do a build series on this, im buying an e46 325ci for rally and not sure what all i need to do to it to make it stage rally ready.
reinforce that rear subframe!
Had a little brake from watching your channel, glad to stumble upon you again.
This car looks like a riot! I have several E46's for various uses, but I think a dirt ball sedan would be hella fun. You brushed over the Bilstein HD suspension - Did you do springs? It looks like it's got a bit more ride height than a standard RWD or even AWD E46.
You should put the upgrade that you mention on this car and try to beat the Can am record 😉
I’d love to see this again with a shorter final drive and a set of fresh gravel tires. Sounds like a riot
My favorite memories in a car were ripping my car down a fire road, subbing because can't wait to see how they would do because they were a blast for me. NA Miata(topless, admittedly against better judgement) and P71 Crown Vic(plural)
Wyatt's back? Cool!
this is the coolest shit i seen all day. thanks for this vid bro
Would be really fun to se a volvo 740/940 tried out on here tbh
Nice.
can you do a video on how to use weight transfer to smooth out bumps and also can we use weight transfer to not scratch the underneath of the car
Isn't it the one we rally with when there? I loved being on the BMWs!!!!!
You should bought an E46 compact. Compact rear end with reworked subframe that has no issues, quicker rack, stiffer body...
Did I mention that I started on an incline with 3rd gear in a 1,6 E46 316ti? Raise 3000rpm and work the clutch on-off to not burn it!
Also; are those Salomon Speedcross 6?
Wyatt seems a really cool dude
You've mentioned suspension. Will the new Bilstein Evo R do the job or go full on Reiger?
It needs 4:11 diff ratio to have great 3rd gear.
LSD DIFF
Performance exhaust.
Dyno tune
Rally tyres
Bilstein shocks
It is mad fast!
heya! E46 owner here,, it sounds like the rev limiter on this car is coming in earlier than it should from what i could hear in the audio. It should be bouncing limiter at 6500rpm or so,, meaning you wouldn't fall quite as hard out of the power in 3rd. The speedometer not working is most likely due to a bad wheel speed sensor, believe it reads from the rear left sensor specifically, and could be part of the rev limiter problem. It should also be noted that you could get an automatic diff,, which would shorten the ratio pretty notably and really wake the car up for this kind of driving!
Do some mid engine stuff!!! And a 954 Cayenne since they are getting silly cheap
I don't know where you're located- but I'd bring my GX470 and X3 M40i (which has stupid power and awd, reasonable wheelbase.) to get beat on
I went there when their e30s were still in the fleet. I wonder if they still use them. If not...GIMME THE E30!
Swap the diff for an automatic e46 diff. That’ll shorten the gearing up
They'll probably go with LSD
I had a 328 with a 3.46 diff from an automatic and it felt like a much quicker car than on paper
What about the all wheel drive 3 series in manual for rallying?
It should get Samsonas gearbox and dampers. there are lots of bmws rallying in europe, thus parts too
Do a fwd rally car (like a Fiesta) for comparison.
It would be awesome to see how an E36 M3 does on this course :)
probably the suspension would be too low
I am curious, is there a significant difference between an LSD and open diff in rally? I assume most rally cars run LSDs but I wouldn't know.
Hi. What i the suspension and tyres set up?
This car seems like a xdrive looks a lot like the front tires are getting power too
You just gotta upgrade the headlight reflector bowls
The full onboard lap without the exterior shots would be nice!
That diff looks like a limited slip to me. You can see it in the launch at 10:33
With a uniform lack of tire engagement on a free differential, 2 wheels wilk rotation.
10:37 You can see that only the right wheel is rotation
(sorry for my English)
@@produman12 Yeah but if it was open left side wouldn't even push any dirt at the start. 25% lock is the most common lock used in road cars meaning if right rear has 4x torque 1x torque will be at left side that's how it pushes the dirt. If it was open all the power would be at right rear and left rear would be push dirt just like the front tires
@@Flyturn7 e46 (except m versions) did not have differential locks
@@produman12 Also it will rotate of course but it will rotate with the car moving because it gets no torque while other wheel gets all the power. And you can't do stable donuts he did at the start as well. Car will slide but as you get faster it will want to go straight right away. I have an open diff e34 believe me it refuses to continue drifting as you accelerate. Left rear will prevent lateral movement because it has no torque to make it go sideways and because right rear is spinning it can't keep the drifting by itself for there is not enough traction to carry on drifting
@@produman12 It's common that people upgrade their bmws. I have swapped a 6 speed manual transmission from an e60 and a lower ratio differential to increase the top speed of my car to go up to 280kph. Old bmws are like legos you can swap in many parts from other cars and do it very cheaply. And people who have bmws like to work on and upgrade their cars. Also with open diff you only get 50/50 torque at wheels until one of them starts spinning after that the spinning wheel will hog all the power I forgot to mention that it is way more simple explanation.
When do we see an electric Vehicle Rally? F150?
for this type of driving, do you think 4 door or 2 door is best?
4 door is significantly more rigid, slightly lighter, and often cheaper. So definitely 4 door. Non-folding seat versions make a bigger difference for body rigidity than the number of doors tho.
Why wouldn't you want the AWD 330xi? That is what I am shopping for right now.
good u guys keep the oem wheels. They are strong and TUV APPROVED
You gotta get an audi a4 out there. Cheap and id bet it would go crazy
Why does it look lifted??
These videos are even more fun at 1.5x speed! 😅
If you put an e46 m3 rear diff it will improve the final drive
Subframe mounts
it would be better as a 3.0L extra 70 hp and torque flat band, the gearbox is designed for it perfectly power 24/7
Your vanos seal are probably bad if you dont have low end power, pretty cheap and easy to do.
330i would have been a lot gruntier! Also some 325i's came with a 3.15 diff, some with 3.46. Find a 3.64, and check it's got the "fast" 3.0 turn purple tag steering rack, if not, bolt that sucker in.
3.64 final drives are rare as they only came in auto zhp's. The 3.46 is a dime a dozen (almost all facelift automatics had one).
The 6-speed trans is a lot better on these cars, shorter gearing and usable third.
A lot of people just put the diesel's final drive on this ones.
Six speed trans has the exact same gear ratios as 5 speed with sixth gear being overdrive.
@@Dmxravin I have a 5 speed and 6 speed, that's simply not true
@@edugamer950 oh right I didn’t realise the 1-2 is shorter.
How about a little weight reduction instead of a gear change
Are you the warden from superjail? Lol
CHANGE VANOS SEALS if you haven't done so already :)
My good reason for not picking an E46: $1400 2002 Lexus IS300
do a Mercedes c class next please w203
how about rallying on a rx350
hardest thing in the earth:))
Ahhh classic overheating meme (im a bmw owner)
That car is not stock
Bilstein hd suspension is dirt cheap, it's pretty much what stock wagons and sport package e46s have. This car is more stock than 90% of all 20 year old cars.
@@apodski fair but it still has a modification that would definitely help it offroad
@@jivalroopnarian yeah, but it is a change of only a few percent. All the E46s left the factory with a weirdly long suspension travel of like 12" and abnormally stiff shocks and struts.
@@apodski oh ok it just looks wayyy higher than I thought it would
@@jivalroopnarian That's probably because when you replace the front rubber strut mounts they sit high until they break in. I'm guessing they also put the bmw oem made stut tower tower reinforcement plates in, which add a few millimeters.
Shorter final drive OR smaller wheels
Wtf is an "e series"?
deez nutz
joe mama
probably needs VANOS seals replaced.