AIM-174B United States New Longest-Range Air To Air Missile | F-18C Hornet Vs Su-27 + Su-57 | DCS |
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Let's see you strap the AIM-174B to the most inferior fighter that can hold it and go up against some hypersonic missiles. lol Just to see what happens. How about the F4 vs the 57.
F-14 Tomcat
When you say it has an AMRAAM seeker, we should remember that the electronics and software were lifted from the 120-C, but the antenna has almost twice the diameter, so four times the area. As a result it will pick up four times as much of the energy reflected from a target - quite the boon when shooting at long range and against “stealthy” targets.
@@murph3194 russia has no air to air missiles that are hypersonic they only have air to ship missiles ie to hit large object and proven that cant hit a broadside of a barn from the inside
F/A-18 with AIM-174B vs F-14 with AIM-54C
Gentlemen, we have seen the return of the phoenix
Definitely seems to have risen from the ashes
And way way more advanced.
Phoenix 2: explosive boogaloo
AIM-174B “Big Bird”
It was about time...
F15 radar plus this would be ridiculous. Imagine an F15EX missile boat handing these out like Oprah.
"You get to die! And you get to die!... And EVERYONE gets to die!" :P
GS please make this happen!
@@gibboau85 here’s one for you annnd one for you …..way in the back here ya go sweety 😁🤣✊🏼
Imagine a C-5 loaded to the gills with these, playing missile truck for a formation of F-22s.
"Could you please hold this AIM-174 for me?!"
AIM-120 + AIM-54 = AIM-174
But unlike the AIM-54, the AIM-174 should be much more maneuverable and able to track fighters. Pretty neat that the Navy decided to cobble this together tbh. Should provide much more breathing room for fleet defense until the AIM-260 becomes fully operational.
Whatt?? There is another one in oven???
The 260 and 174 are going to complement each other. The 260 is limited by the fact that it need to fit in the bays of the f22/35.
@@pyronuke4768but they're much faster than AMRAAMs, so they have much more spare energy to bleed while still remaining lethal
@pyronuke4768 The missile doesn't even weigh 2000lbs. It's just over 1,800lbs. So it will have quite a bit of maneuverability
Sm6 without launch buster weighs over 3000lb
F-15 and those missiles would be unfair to everyone
F15EX would be beautiful.
yep I was thinking the same,F-15 radar with this weapon could be something else.
@@josemorenoporras7506 modern super hornets have insane radars tho
Why would you want it to be fair anyway?
@@oldfashionedwrx3574Yeah but the F-15’s Radar can see into your soul 😂
China and Russia: We out range you with missiles
America: give me like one day, hold my beer, Phoenix baby is born
Yeah, the US is still gonna lose why because Chinese and Russian have hypersonic missiles, which can easily be launched from very long ranges similar to AIM174B, but one biggest advantage its speed, which can give up to 5-7 mach, while AIM 174B can go upto only mach 4. So the US is still on the loss.
Do you genuinly think we dont have a way to defeat those "hypersonic" missiles?@@heatblast876
@@heatblast876 Sorry dude, hypersonics air to air missiles (R-37Ms) are good and all, but if they are outranged by the AIM-174, their speed doesnt matter. Additionally, American radars are better so they can actually lock targets at the maximum range of the 174
@@heatblast876the R-37M is not designed to shoot down maneuvering fighters, it's meant for large planes like AWACS, Tankers, etc. These AIM-174C's are designed to engage almost all air threats, including maneuvering fighters jets, from long range. Different use case and 1v1 fighter vs fighter, the AIM-174C has much better probability to kill, based on publicly available data
@@Big_Red_Dorkthe AIM-174 wasn't designed to do anything. It's just a redesignation for a SAM missile which naturally can carry ordnance used to target maneuvering fighter jets.
It should be noted this missile has been rated for use on the Super Hornet, not sure if the legacy Hornet is rated to carry this weapon. Also the max range of the missile is well beyond the max radar range of the Super Hornet, so it actually relies on other platforms to acquire targets for it and pass that targeting data to the launch aircraft.
F35s will be 100 miles ahead of the supers just to use radar for them. Keeping the supers out of engagement distance and letting the stealth do its thing. Wild.
I doubt that they would adapt this very large missile to the legacy hornets. Legacy hornets were faced out entirely from the US Navy. Last one was gone last year I think. The Superhornet is a much bigger aircraft.
@@zachn5529And that is one of the great strengths of F-35s.
SM-6s are networked weapons, made to accept F-35 targeting information for targets potentially 200+ miles from airborne launch point.
Would like to see this in DCS
The Navy no longer has legacy Hornets in the operational fleet (still in some aggressor units), they have been entirely replaced by the Super Hornet and F-35C.
@@Gentleman...Driver A lot of people are saying the AIM-174 is effectively the resurrection of the old AIM-54 from the F-14 Tomcat; a large, very long-range Fox 3 A2A missile intended to engage targets at standoff distances. Only difference is the AIM-174 wasn't built in conjunction with its launch platform like the Phoenix was.
I was literally just reading about this missile and 10 minutes later GS makes a video about it 🤣
We like to stay current around here.
@@GrowlingSidewinderGS did u see how fast the felon spun out when your missile hit I'm laughing so hard 🤣🤣🤣 that was funny to watch
LMAO Saaaammeee
@@Acelafan2030 yeah that was funny. i think the felon pilot threw up just a couple times lol!
@@VortexGaming175 😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
POV: The US Navy casually negating any and all range advantage any country may have held by strapping the most lethal Naval SAM in the world to a plane.
Considering the SM-6 has a sea-launched range of ~230-250 miles (Granted, with a booster), we can safely assume that a 100 mile shot from high altitude with this thing would be simply trivial...
I've seen all sorts of simulation makers claiming it could easily crest 400 miles under perfect conditions.
@@Hot_Sky_Astronomy The problem with ranges like that isnt kinetic, its about having the power to keep the seeker head active for the ammount of time it would take to hit the target. Radars take a ton of power.
Limiting factor will be radar, us military however is transitioning to any sensor theory so the future is a f18 shooting these from 300 miles while a f35 guides it until terminal
@@shifyist Precisely, that or an Aegis-equipped destroyer is guiding them in.
@@PluralCHimera0 I'd simply go for a passive/semi-active until-terminal approach then.
SU-57: "I zee you have extra missile. Please may I hold?"
F-18: Sure. Catch!
@@nixet
SU=57: "Vait, I vasn't vread-"
@@atigerclawDidn’t know Russians spoke with a German accent
@@atigerclaw Vladimir will be quite displeased with your inability to catch. Now he only has 1 Felon left, and it's a display model. 🤣🤣
@@johns1625 Don't get high on your own supply, son.
The publicly listed range for these missiles is 150 nautical miles when launched from a ship (with a booster). When launched at 30k feet from an airplane going supersonic one can only guess how much that extends the range (theorized 200+ nmi). And it's carrying a 140 lb warhead. Extremely scary missile to face
people speculate its north of 350km or 217 miles or so
It's closer to 500km. Surface launched SM-6 have a 250 nautical mile range. Air launched will be even further.
A Super Hornet pretending to be a Tomcat? Now I've seen everything!
Das a regular hornet
That's legacy Hornet.
If C in designation doesn't tell it, round engine air intakes is the easiest physical differentiator.
I would like to see it used with datalink. Have F-35's BVR fight and also guide these Aim-174Bs to separate targets. Include AWACS in the rear covering a fleet. I believe that would be their intended use.
I’ve heard a 200 mile range, but who knows
Thats what many are hypothesizing will be the strat, F-35s guiding missiles in from semi-close to targets while the hornets launch from range. I dont think 35s can carry a 174 without blowing their stealth
@@ryanperry7956If one really wants to make the fight still more unfair from there, one could arm the F-35 with AIM-260.
Are you trying to create a monster?
@@PegasusTenma1 Why the hell not?
You should arm the F-15C/E/EX (EX would be the best) with AIM-174B and you should do BVR against MiG-31s carrying R-37M asap lol
He needs some revenge for those Mig-31 vs F-15 BVR fights lol
@@42grath hell yeah
@@toothlessDJErcik yeah GS to that please
+1 for wanting to see this
It s A Navy thang!
One of the few videos where GS goes true sniper mode. 1 shot, 1 kill. 4 Missiles, 4 Aircraft. One of which was a Gen 5.
A wall of Eagles with the AIM174B would be unstoppable
Not quite unstoppable, as they can still be hit. Since Eagles aren't very stealthy (2.5 the RCS of a B1-b bomber) an old 4th Gen fighter could defeat a wall of Eagles forced to fly at tree-top level if the 4th Gen were firing at high speeds and from high altitudes downhill at the Eagles. This could be a scenario where the Eagles were under SAM threat and terrain masking. A Mig-31 firing the R-77M could successfully engage a wall of Eagles in such a scenario. It would still offer the Eagles the best chance of success, but they would still have to defend such a threat.
AIM 174 is a Navy thang!
A6 intruder payload often quoted as 18,000lb
aim 174b 1,890 lb ea
nevermind: super hornet same as A6 (~17000 lbs)
an AWACS datalink would absolutely be necessary to launch on those aircraft OTH as that missile was meant to do...hope I see it here today! that missile has over 200nm range, shooting that thing at 5k will still get you well outside his MAR. Oh, and BTW...AIM-54 + AIM120 = AIM174.
I think the data link source will be F-35, not AWACS.
This is the Navy adopting the USAF missile truck (F-15EX) team kill approach. Due to naval engagements ideally occurring far from the boat, Navy added legs to their team kill. F-35C snoops close in while F-18E/F/G pulls the trigger.
@@slartybarfastb3648This missile is designed to integrate into a CEC network. And the necessary CEC nodes get smaller all the time - you don't need an "Aegis" ship to be in there (even thoughbthats really what CEC was intended for originally) - quite a few later model E-2s are equipped for CEC, and it's used by several allied nations (and any of them can join an impromptu CEC network, almost on the fly).
As an analogy, traditional AAMs and SAMs are like tank cannons- they fire on what their platform can see. RiM-174 and AIM-174 are like modern artillery - they can fire on whatever *anyone* in the net can see, even if it isn't a "fire control quality" track... atvworst, they just have to get the missile close enough to the target so the (based on, but larger *and better than* , the AMRAAM seeker) missile sensor can find the target.
@@geodkytI forgot the name, but it was supposed to also be supported by land based radar with a program meant to integrate assets from other branches the same way that cec allows for fire control data to be shared between ships.
As much of a coincidence that the numbers are it’s not because of that. The sm-6’s designation is the rim-174.
The navy has already stated these have been used on active deployments I’m pretty sure. They should be used in DCS more regularly.
12:30 Aileron rolls straight to hell
Lawn dart!
Love it.
Aerospace version of a speed wobble on a skateboard.
SU-57 got absolutely smoked. That pilot had chance to eject
"wheeeeeeee"
These missiles will be crazy. Hornet can missile truck for F-35, can pair with the AEGIS, can probably even use datalink from AWACS.
SM-6 launches more like a ballistic missile, but unlike the Russian hypersonic, the SM-6 is actually maneuverable. I think the minimum range is going to be more tricky the max range.
It’s going to be a crazy missile and with it being remade SM-6 the cost of development, the performance, and software are very mature.
This missile is a major threat to Western Taiwan.
DOn't you mean "FOR" western Taiwan ?
@@scottcooper4391 Western Taiwan is the new name of china
If you really want your mind blown...it can use Patriot PAC-3 radar and data link for guidance. So, the US Army could technically be getting air-to-air kills, using the Navy to deliver the missiles.
F-18E/F/G could blind fire using Army radar to defend an Air Force base.
@@lancesmokers8250I prefer China being renamed Mainland Taiwan.
The missiles datalink with AWACS, F-35, or Aegis. Think of a theatre with F-22's and F-35's up front, F-15's or F-18's dumping missiles from 100+ miles away with the F-35 coordinating the attack. Ridiculous.
Can we put these missiles on a F-14 please
12:57 HOLY!!! That was probably the most violent kill ever! Didn’t look like there was even a remote possibility of ejection there.
It will be interesting to see how this missile's air-to-ground performance compares to the AMRAAM...
It has secondary role of a AShM missile. 64kg of blast-frag is not much but still more than AMRAAM's warhead for sure.
Well, the parent missile (which has the same basic aerodynamics, aside from launch altitude and speed being higher, obviously) has the same warhead and guidance, and is a highly regarded weapon for surface to surface modes... won't sink a cruiser or the like, but can pick off fast moving and maneuvering surface targets like, say Iran uses. I'd even say its usefulnagainst small corvettes, and even larger ones if they are festooned with external ordnance like Soviet style missile attack boats.
Supposedly, they killed a retired marine assault ship using this missile at the latest RIMPAC exercise.
@@PapaOscarNovember They also sank a frigate with one in a previous SINKEX (Reuben James in 2016)
"Helicopter helicopter ..." - SU-57 in death spin
Gee Willikers son, where'd ya find this?
The phoenix missiles son
exactly this is if they put a Amraam seeker on a Phoenix
120 + 54 = 174
@@Mike_Romeoyou broke the code !!!
Anybody have an idea on top speed?....
@@Joey-tc2uo More like they took the Charlie variant Pheonix seeker and slapped it onto a Sparrow to make the AMRAAM. :)
That missile hit the Felon so hard physics wasnt even sure what to do
Man, that missile hit the 57 so hard it got confused and spun itself into the ground to recover
It's an SM-6 (Standard Missile 6) from the US Navy a very deadly surface to air missile that is now an Air to Air missile. Fun fact while the AIM-174B outranges the F/A-18's RADAR system the US Military already thought of that and has implemented multiple systems to make it a non-issue.
This not so new yet new missile is currently giving China and Russia fits, Russia will never admit it but they are rightfully terrified of the AIM-174B.
Has a surface-to-surface antiship mode, too. I wonder if that mode still works for air-launch.
@@immikeurnot Knowing the US Navy, I am willing to bet it does
@@Spartan536 I wouldn't even blink if they told me it can go after submarines at periscope depth...
@@immikeurnot They are saying it is completely multi-role i.e. anti-ship, anti-plane and can be used against ground targets, also makes me wonder, with how the aegis system and F35 work, it should have the capability to also take out missiles too.
The AIM-174 seems like it is gonna be an extremely useful missile.
@@aflyingcowboy31 It should. The SM-6 is supposed to be able to hit cruise missiles, reentry hypersonics and just about a lot of other stuff
Thank you for making this video. I was going to ask you today!!!
So they essentially are strapping SM-6's onto Hornets....
That Su-57 pilot never had a chance to punch out. His guts were all over the canopy with how hard that thing was spinning into the ground lol
It also suck for him his RCS was that of a...Super Hornet.
TonymanCS, there is an RCS model that has been done on the SU57. Go on, quora, name Jack, what is the RCS of SU57.
TonymanCS, also, you're all spreading face information. What you're saying is old. The newer version of SU57, which is serial production, has the RCS around 0.015m2 with open IRST sensor, while in full stealth configuration it has the RCS 0.006m2 with close IRST sensor.
@heatblast876 uhuh do have you sources for that or it came to you in vodka fueled Russian delusion of grandeur dreams?
spun so hard he glitched out
i feel like a super hornet with the AIM-174 vs an F-22 with AIM-120Ds BVR fight would be interesting, see if the huge range advantage can help defeat stealth
How is range supposed to help when the F-22 doesnt even show up on radar ?
F-15 armed with aim-174s vs MiG 31 armed with r-37ms
You are a one man
Air Force--
Two Flankers, a Felon,
and a heavy Bomber
Now it's Miller time 😅
AIM-174Bs vs. Chinese surface ships next please.
interesting
@@ziepex7009SM-6s have an anti-ship capability.
@@Chuck_Hooks interesting
F22/35 and these missiles would be a combo to rival the F14 and its Phoenix missiles.
It also has a BIG warhead for an A2A missile...
It can be used against ships. Just an anti-everything weapon.
It’s pretty much a US r37m or a phoenix jr.
Why the Su-57 spin like that at 12:30 😵💫😵💫
That was a nasty auger in. No chute that I could see, probably too many G's to punch out
Physics engine went a little nuts. Hitting an Su-57 hard enough to make it spin like that does not result in an intact Su-57 that can actually do the spinning.
The lore reason is that the AIM-174's warhead is more than three times the weight of the AIM-120's
@@greatBLTso basically it Hadookened it so hard it began spinning.
Excellent. Hard to believe there's already a DCS version of this!
@@pyronuke4768 sm-2*
This missile is specifically strapped to the super hornet to challenge the PLA
I've seen an article posted by Marine Corps Times that the missile (AIM-174) was cleared by the Navy to use on the Super Hornet. Just imagine that the Air Force straps some on an F-15EX.
Love to see an F-18 E/F using this vs Rafael or typhoon using meteor missiles
Still waiting for GS to drop the BF3 F-18 mission “Going Hunting”
An SM-2 is a scary missile anyway, to put it on a Super Hornet, F22, F35, or even an Eagle should be absolutely terrifying.
@tbe0116 sorry yes, SM-2 body though.
SM3. And it won't fit inside a F-35 or F-22, that's what the AIM-260 will be for.
Pls fly the Eurofighter with Meteors
I think you were not getting a lock with the boresight, because of your PRF mode. If I remember correctly, you want to be on HIGH anytime the target is further than 21 miles, and MED if they are within.
Four shots, four kills. Death machine, indeed!
Using the AIM-174B in NIFC-CA (a BVR/OTH capability usable in a CEC network) mode will be interesting.
NIFC-CA can make "synthetic" target locks that provide fire control quality tracks that are passed to the missile, without any actual fire control radar lock, by fusing multiple fuzzier "search" tracks into a position of high accuracy. Think of a Venn diagram in 3D, with the spheres being the "accuracy bubbles" of each radar track - get enough of them and the area where they all agree the target can be inside gets really small. You can literally shoot from "ATC" data... if you have enough data points.
This, combined with high accuracy LPI radars on stealthy aircraft , and the fact that any weapons platform in a CEC network can fire on any target any other CEC sensor (or group of sensors in combination) can provide accurate enough data to get the missile to pitbull, and you really see where the US is going. And it works *better* with these 4th Gen fighters carrying the long range missiles while stealthier platforms or "surveillance" assets (none of which even need to be armed for the NIFC-CA shoot) bird dogging and designating the target... often without the target even realizing it is being "painted" (because it isn't being illuminated with fire control radars). The 4th Gen "missile truck" can stand back *behind* the 5th Gen "forward observers", and pump missiles in (because the launching platforms aren't actually guiding them directly and don't need to maintain their own locks).
One of the ancestors of this missile was the SM-2 Standard Missile, used by AEGIS cruisers.
It quite literally is a modified SM2 for airborne launches.
No. It’s a stock SM-6 with swapped out seeker.
@@TheBillyBlackthe SM-6 is a modified SM-2.
The AIM-174 being a modified SM-6 makes it a modified modified SM-2.
I've been waiting for this, thanks
Another great vid! You gave me all of my knowledge of aircraft and tactics and fed a new passion for aviation. Thank you so much
Considering that based on the picture taken by AEROS808 the AIM-174 weighs1,890 lbs (857.2896 kg) while the R-37M weighs 1,120 lbs (510 kg) and they have around the same warhead weight I would imagine that the AIM-174 would likely have superior kinematic performance compared to the R-37M. It would definitely make an interesting video to pit the DCS versions against each other.
I was wondering when this one is coming man 🎯
I would love to see a video of this on a Super Hornet vs a MiG-31 with R-37s.
GS it has been reported that the seeker on the AIM174B has been upgraded so that its terminal guidance can get updates from E-3’s, E-2C’s and even Fat Amy’s. It’s basically a SAM6 with an upgraded seeker. The AIM174B is also reported to do both air-to-air and air-to-ground prosecution of targets.
Just watched Ward’s video on this missile and was hoping for something like this. My brother. ❤
Should try anti ballistic missile scenario's with this, see how good an air launched variant can do for fleet or island defence
I petition to call it aim 174b "rising Phoenix", that or "burning phoenix". Anyway, we all know what it should be used with. *mighty wings starts playing with an F14 montage*
Always a great video! Much appreciated sir.
As for scenarios, how about something close to what the missile is intended to do defending a carrier battle group or Marine Corps landing near Taiwan.
I heard about all this news today, and who pulled out the video for it..... MY FUCKING DAWG!
AIM-174b (SM-6) can track by Data Link, BTW. No need for launch aircraft to use radar lock
I would like to see su-35 with R-37 vs super hornet with aim174b
This was the most fun I've had all year. Nice work.
The AIM-174B to the SU57 is like what happened to the upside down blonde chick that Art the Clown sawn in half.
That range could be exceptionally frightening on an F-15 Strike Eagle. Massive number of hard points and that powerful radar, no one's hiding from it.
Especially if they keep the booster on for the f15!
Seeing a Standard derivative on a Hornet instantly brings to mind the Vietnam-era AGM-78 as used on the A-6 and F-105.
So many things to love here, especially Art the Clown xD -- regarding the AIM-174, try to shoot these at max range / far out on various targets from various planes, including the Super Hornet / Datalink.
An F-14 can successfully take out 2 out 4 SU-57’s. That’s red meat.
🤣🤡
“It’s not the plane it’s the pilot.”
@@SonOfAB_tch2ndClass You better believe it Rooster
It's not the plane. It's not the pilot. It's the missle.
Neat! - the guy who snapped it in hnl :D
That Su-57 Felon pop up scare made me laugh. Love your vids man. Been sharing them with my brother and he’s now a sub too.
Thank you
Aim-174 vs Meteor missile
Loved the meme usage upon the Felon arrival 😂😂😂
So cool you made this video so quick!
Lets goooooo new GS video
MAN the 57 went down hard. Let's see you strap the AIM-174B to the most inferior fighter that can hold it and go up against some hypersonic missiles. lol Just to see what happens.
No... Otherwise everyone will realize the still untapped potential of the f-14
That was so Cool!! Nice Job!!
This going to be a great educational Mission!!! Love it, good luck!!!
AIM174 on the darkstar!!!
80k feet at mach 5 launch parameters!! 300+ mile range!!!
Imagine how powerful an F15 carrying 8 of these babies would be 😂 Armageddon!!
@@pyronuke4768 yup was thinking SE 👍
legacy hornets have been pictured carrying SM-6s during testing, Would be interesting to see one go up against an su35 with the R37M
the slash on the SU 57 was so violent
Saw a pic the other day uploaded to facebook wishing someone can make it happen , thanks heaps
Great sorting! Yes to the legacy Hornet and the Mig-31 along with other scenarios!!! Salute!
Great fight! Would definitely enjoy seeing an engagement with this new missile against the MiG-31!!
I figured this video would pop up soon😂 excellent as always GS
the SM-6 that the Aim 174B is based on is a deadly SAM. It was the boost phase that is the limiting factor. But here that is all but eliminated... like the enemy. ^~^
I remember when they were talking about hanging AIM-7's on an the F-16.
Well, hold my damn beer!
Was waiting for this video!
9:07.
Not sure where you are, but that external tank landed in my front yard and you owe me for damages to my vehicle.
Two part request 1) I would love to see the tacview for the speeds at impact 🤯😁2) I’d like to see you on other side defending against it🎉🎉 nothing but luv bruda keep the awesome content coming ❤
been waiting for this one 💪
Hell that missile could make a P-38 relevant in a fight today.
Bring back the Missileer
You’ve got to take on the Typhoon with the meteor missiles.
Bro the fact that the 174b was still burning at 18 miles is craaaaazy lol
That missle absolutely delivers that hate on impact. Might be the most violent missle I've seen on your channel.
I have many hours now in MSFS & Top Mach Studios F-22 Raptor. I'll be 80 years old when I learn what GS knows about Modern Air Combat. Who'd a thunk it? I need a Simulator Flight Instructor?
Somehow I knew you'd be using these sometime soon.