MACV-SOG: Pentagon Fantasy Meets Brutal Reality
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- President Lyndon Johnson and Defense Secretary Robert McNamara order MACV-SOG’s volunteer Green Berets on a Top-Secret Raid into neutral Laos to kill the commanding general of the North Vietnamese Army.
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So True! "SOG Ground operators were starting to figure out that is anyone above the grade of our operations officer got involved in a mission. We were in trouble."
Yeah Veterans going to "Hollywood" for history. Here's my story. I am a proud Vietnam/Draft resistor. All those guys that went to Vietnam were chumps and pawns of their Government and the military/industrial complex. They chose to go, willing or unwilling, to a war their Government didn't have the guts or integrity to declare. Vietnam did nothing to Americans or the US. It was essentially an Asian civil war for independence after decades of colonialism. These guys did nothing for American safety, security and freedom. They were nothing more than invaders and aggressors in someone else's country across oceans from the US. They are not heroes or someone's victim...they are survivors of an American disaster which they participated in
It's because their entire existence and everything they were used for was a bad idea kind of from the, that's why they had to operate with no oversight anyone giving them oversight would be like oh hey this is BS
McNamara to me was a war criminal . He lied to the American people for years and many brave men like these were killed or maimed for nothing. I salute all the soldiers who fought in Nam. They did their duty. However the politicans used them for political reasons and kept their sons out of the war. This was a very informative video. Thank You
I agree with you wholeheartedly. I had two uncles who served over there in infantry combat units, one of which was wounded by an AK47 round in his abdomen. I would also add LBJ as a co-conspirator/war criminal. Both LBJ and McNamara knew as early as 1964 that we couldn't win this war and they didn't even try to win. The whole war was criminal and the way our troops were treated when they returned home was just as criminal.
@@kelleychilton2524 Yes Kelly LBJ also. I should have included him in my initial posting. I also know buddies of mine who were there and got wounded . They are very bitter towards McNamara and LBJ and even Westmoreland he also knew they couldn't win early in the war.
100%
Watch 'Macnamara -The Fog of War. In it he admits that they committed war crimes. Don't expect any apologies though. Total psychopath.
@@hendrikvanleeuwen9110 Oh yeah I have watched it. As his time on earth was nearing its end . He wanted to repent. He was 85 those Soldiers he sent into combat 58,000 plus never made it mostly past 25. Dirty SOB in my book along with LBJ and westmoreland
My older brother (76) purple heart, bronze star. He has a pacemaker to help his heart work ( a grenade exploded near him with shrapnel pieces all around his heart so close that then they just thought best to leave the pieces there). He has had flashbacks in the past waking up kicking and fighting charlie; his wife told our sister she does not sleep in the same bed with him but same room. Grandpa that is a beautiful little baby boy; tell his mom do not let him fight for our nations warmongers.
This is the unit I was in fob#1 I was a medic (91b4s) I was glad to not re up
This is the first video I have seen about my unit (30% killed and 90% wounded)
Welcome. You may find some of the people you served with on the Facebook MACV-SOG Groups
90% wounded and 30% killed???its some "ukraine math"...
@@DawsonsWar I’d like to find out more about my cousin SSGT Billy Joe Simmons who was KIA in Laos running an SOG mission. Especially from anyone who served with him in SOG or 5th SFG.
@@johnned4848 Try this Facebook group. It’s open to everyone.
facebook.com/groups/549842630052772
Thank you for your service. My father was Msg. Harve SAAL Green Beret MACVSOG, he was shot in the arm, but he died in Vietnam and didn't know it. AO killed him, and it ruined our family genes. I have a rare Uncurable Brain disease called Chiari Malformation, so it will Eventually kill me, my children, my grandchildren so far each one has different disorders. 😢
MACV-SOG missions were pretty much suicide missions from everything I’ve heard. From what I’ve heard and read, EVERYBODY in MACV-SOG got injured at one point in combat and like 50% of them were killed
That's true for 1968
They are also said to have had the highest kill ratio in Vietnam of 151 per man. I know my kill ratio was much higher than that. Hard to know how many were killed as an accurate account in a firefight was impossible to ascertain.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome.
We certainly didn't learn much about what happens when senior political and military leadership become too involved in planning and operations. I witnessed similar results during Operation Eagle Claw in Iran and again during Operation Anaconda in Afghanistan. In the latter case I stepped aside as the Secretary of the Air Force and the USAF Chief of Staff commandeered my boss's office in the Pentagon subbasement (mezzanine) where we ran our Air Force Operations Center. As I recall, this was over the weekend and during the middle of the Anaconda fighting. For reasons I never quite understood, neither of them had a functioning STU III (secure phone) upstairs in their offices. Based on a comment the Chief of Staff made, I don't believe either man had ever visited the Ops Center before or quite understood why we existed.
Thanks for your comment. The "Can Do" attitude permeates the chain of command from the Pentagon to senior unit commanders. By the time the men who must perform the mission try to pump the breaks it’s too late.
you forgot gotic serpent in somalia
@@anuvisraa5786 Yes, there are too many to mention. We so rarely hear about the successful ops, but when we fail spectacularly, they hang a painting on the wall at SOCOM.
Glad to see your still posting vids
The govt said we had brought all our combat troops out of the field by April 1972. That was the month i completed LRRP school and was the last graduating class before they closed the school at Tan Son Nhut Air Base in Saigon. I remained in the field with my team until November 15, 1972 when i was brought back to base to be debriefed and out processed for my new assignment in the states. I flew back to the states on November 30, 1972, part of the plan Nixon had to reduce American troops in Vietnam to 27k.
A lot of field grades didn't want to leave their Vietnamese girlfriends so they kept their units going as long as they could.
@@DawsonsWar I met my first wife in Vietnam. She worked for the Vietnamese CIA. Luckily they allowed her to fly back to states with me.
@@DawsonsWarthat's the same reason the DoD and CIA chose to go to war in Vietnam after getting our butts kicked (and president shot) over Cuba ☝️ women and drugs from the French heroin trade
@@rondodson5736 That's great
Thank you for your service in Vietnam and welcome home!
O8 killed a lot of our guys. RIP Brothers
Very good editing and story telling 👍👍
Thank you
Enjoy these ! Glad you kept making videos
Thanks Bud. I really got bogged down on this one. The eye-witness reports were contradictory. I had to go to the body recovery and aircraft loss reports just to determine the actual location of the target.
Vo Nguyen Giap lived to be 102 years old, outliving all US generals in Vietnam, two American presidents, and the defence secretary. When will they ever learn.
Learn what, precisely?
@@patrickbateman312 That people want to be free, and they are willing to fight against American oppression.
@@garethmartin6522 American oppression? Who is being oppressed?
Just about everyone who is not American, and plenty of Americans as well. Great to see US forces getting their asses whipped.@@patrickbateman312
@@patrickbateman312 Everyone, including themselves. The USA is worlds foremost terrorist state, stamping out freedom wherever it may appear.
A1 Skyraiders were most commonly used. The A1E was a two seater and most of the A1’s supporting SOG flew the A1 sometimes although not as common they used the A1E the 2 seater. They were also called spads…..
A Simple Operation
Didn’t Need Too Much Thought
But Simple Commands Setting Strict Rules without Enough Preparation and Tact
Simple Disaster That Simply Shouldn’t Have Happened
So Sad
Lions led by Donkeys & Dinosaurs... an excellent episode, the narration, corresponding images and Dawson's insights. Thank-you👍
Thanks. Glad you enjoyed it.
McNamara, Johnson, Westmoreland all should have been jailed. I was there. 1/502, RECON, 101ST, RVN 68-69
In early June, 1968 I was out with a SOG Hatchet Force company supporting Operation Nevada Eagle. 101st Recon Team Assassin passed through our ranks.
Today I'm starting to think the same of the Iraq war. A lot of people all the way up to the president were really fuzzy and weird during the buildup to the invasion and then received no consequences. Now they're even getting their reputation rehabilitated on Fox.
Thanks for your service my best friend was killed in the 69 tet offensive God bless
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@@sweat3500 The famous Tet Offensive was in 1968 (I was there). So you are probably lying.
@@bernarddavis1050Actually he isnt, there was a small Tet offensive in February 69 that managed to kill/wound over 10000 US troops in Vietnam but they payed a heavy price for that.
I hope to read your book someday, but honestly, I would prefer to have you narrate the audio version. You have a great speaking voice
Thank you for the time put into these videos.
Just found your channel and you made me a new subscriber. Great content!
Thanks and welcome
LRP, LRRP, to Iraq 2004 201st Mi LRS Company. Same METL, 40 years later and 3 acronym changes 👊🏼😎
Just sent this video to my Senior Scout from that deployment. I was Assistant Team Leader.
I said to him…And here we thought BDA was the most boring part of our mission. Not in Vietnam 👀
That's because you didn't fight in a real war. You fought Arabs in sandals that couldn't read and had zero organized military skill.
I love how the hidden, innocent, "Special Operations Group", had a skeleton with blood dripping from its teeth in a green beret. It's an awesome insignia.
Is it OK for me as a civilian who never served to put a pin or patch with the SOG logo on my bag or side of my computer? I don't want to be disrespectful; it's a way to honor. But I'd never want to do anything stolen valor like or inappropriate.
I think stolen valor only applies if you are of the age of those who were in the unit. If you are much younger you obviously aren't an imposter. But that's only my opinion.
@@wildrose2748 I wouldn't be wearing it. I'd just put it on my bag to honor these guys.
I was born almost two decades after MACV ran its last operation.
@@DawsonsWar yea it's not to look like I'm in the unit. Just to honor and appreciate our brave American warriors from your generation, who protected Asia from the spread of communism (who knows if Taiwan, Philippines, or Thailand would've survived if Saigon had fallen earlier), and whose acts are largely unknown today.
I enjoy your channel greatly and I'm so happy you share your stories with us. Your novel is next on my list and I can't wait to read it.
@@crabluva it is not disrespectful to display a badge or insignia to honor the unit.
Great video editing and the way you tell the strory is on the spot, i will get Dawson's War to add to my SOG books
thank you sir for sharing youre experience
does it the same operation the got Jerry Shriver MIA?
Thank you. Shriver went missing two years later, on 24 April 1969 in Cambodia.
Great video. Thank you for your service. From a soldier of a later generation. #neverforget
Thanks for watching
Mr. Dawson, sir, thank you very much for this. Great debrief of a very clandestine period of the war. With that said are you familiar with a man named Gayle Rivers former New Zealand SAS ? He wrote a book about a very long LRRP from Thailand. To hit same general.
Really enjoying these videos it's so informative we can really learn more about these things now then what we were ever taught in school
Thanks
I got to RSVN in '67 November. Nothing like this. I surfed in the So. China Sea and water skied at Cam Ranh Bay.
I got to hang out on the beach at Cam Ranh when I first got in country.
@@DawsonsWar - First off, I want to thank you for all that you did and making it back to tell your stories of the hell I know you and your men went through. For me, I was blessed. My first night there I sat on some sandbags around a foxhole drinking a beer watching Green tracers go up and Red tracers come down on the other side of the bay. I spent the night in that foxhole instead of my bunk glad that I didn't volunteer to go to Khe Sanh when I was asked earlier that day. For the rest of my tour I was quartered next to the 6th Convalescent Center that was right on the beach at the North end of Cam Ranh. My hooch was about 200 yards off the beach. Like I said, I was blessed.
As an Engineer 62A10 I just had a job with Sundays off.
@@XrayxRich Imagine joining the Army to be something other than infantry. What a waste of a year of your life.
@@realWARPIG - Sing it... ♪♪ "I want to be an Airborne Ranger. I want to live a life of danger..." ♪♪
The thing is, when we join the circus we can't all be lion tamers. That and the final Platoon D.I. advise, "If you want to come back alive, don't volunteer for shit."
I joined (RA) to be a Rotary Wing Aviator but they put me on a bulldozer at the beach.
We all have our memories good and bad. My brother was 101st Airborne and never got over it until the day he died.
Thank you for your service to a FREE and grateful nation.
They did the same crap in Cambodia in the Fish Hook killing many including SGt. Shriver.
Yes, that's correct. MACV-SOG had been compromised by a VC mole. This only came to light years after the war ended.
MSGT Jerry M. Shriver was a legend in Special Forces recon. When asked if he wanted an immediate extraction when encountering enemy contact deep in Cambodia, he responded,
"No, I've got them just where I want them, surrounded from the inside." The enemy had stepped inside his defense perimeter circled with claymore mines pointed inward toward his position.
His six-man recon team simply ducked down in their dugout position, and he clicked off the claymores. After taking out about 20 NVA soldiers, he said, "Now, you can come and get us. It is all clear!"
John L. Plaster has an excellent version of this mission in his book.
There is a link to John's book in the video description
John plasters book is outstanding,you can't put it down.
Get the deluxe edition!! Incredible books and stories
What is books title?
Insane !!
Those politicians never experienced the Viet hell !! 🔥💥💀
Cowards !! 🤛👊
What an absolutley captivating and well told video. Thx and subbed
Thanks and welcome
I'm glad I found this. I'd rather hear about this from the vets that were there that the sanitized versions you get from allot of the history books that are out there.
I'm ready to buy your book.
I was in the Corps from 80-84, I would rather ride in a CH 46 than a CH 53 any day.
I hated the high pitch, screeching noise in the 46's cabin. When you got on the ground it seemed to take forever to get it out of your head so you could hear in the jungle. Then again I was never in a 53. Thanks for your comment.
Good book! A page-turner. Dawson reminded me o a few characters I hung around with in the Air Force... Good characters.
Kudos for the proper pronunciation of Giap.
You mean it's not Gee-Ap?
an amazing documentary.......... thank u to dawsons war ......
Thanks for watching
Those classified mission AARs were put into the "special file (aka the garbage)," huh? Just got your book, btw. Looking forward to reading it.
There was what happened. What was reported. What went into the AAR. And what was disseminated. It was the military version of whispering down the lane. Enjoy the book. Pay careful attention when Dawson speaks with Fallon. I used Fallon to tell you you what is really going on.
Calling that op a Suicide Mission was an Understatement!!!!!💀💀💀
high confidence those DDs were Dash equipped..makes sense
Things never change!!! Politicians to this day are costing lives because of ignorance!!!!
Covey....Area too hot for extraction then you would hear Kingbee go!You could not get any ballsier than that!The NVA must have had sleepness nights over macvsog raids.Hard not to smile when you hear these first hand accounts.God bless them all.
Thank you
new book out I WALKED WITH HEROS MACSOG AUTHOR.
Is Oscar-8 the mission where a guy with the code name “Blackjack” helps extract the team that was shot down?
Blackjack was Lynne Black. (I have a link to his book "Whisky Tango Foxtrot" in the description. It wasn't this mission. This was in 1967 before he got to FOB-1.
just for a little bit of information, "Binh Trạm" literally means "millitary depot". Just curious why they translated everything else but insist on keeping this specific word...
Because that's what we called it. We knew what it was but not what the words meant. Thanks
My uncle was over there D company 75 infantry.
Some people never learn... that's why we witnessed the disaster in Afghanistan 45 years after the fall of Saigon..
Saigon received US material support, advisors and technical specialists for a lot longer. This support puttered out and there was little to do when parts and technicians for all the leftover vehicles and kit stopped coming. One of my friends compared it with the USSR puppet government in Kabul who at least lasted a couple years after the soviet retreat.
Afghanistan got evacuated a lot faster, with a more abrupt decision to completely end the coalition presence in the country. The crappiest part I could think of was the expectation that afghan security forces would not win, just lose and die slowly enough that the embassies could be evacuated. Then people got upset when the now unsupplied and unsupported afghan security men started to refuse. There negotiations with the taliban took a lot of pressure off coalition forces, but just shifted it to afghan national army forces.
The similarities I noticed was the total lack of vietnamese and afghans when the Pentagon and the White House made decisions. South Vietnam was a succession of weak military leaders at this point. Afghanistan's government had an increasingly bad relation with the old warlords who had fought the taliban. The USA wants everyone to buy american, even when US kit and gear is a lot harder to maintain locally. The afghan national army and the ARVN both had come to depend on US logistics to function.
2:40 "Wheeler flat out rejected (an all-Vietnamese unit for a bomb assessment mission) saying it would be Impossible to maintain security if their South Vietnamese allies were informed"!? I cannot possibly be the only American that instantly noticed the supreme irony of that one simple statement! Because this shows that even McNamara and President Johnson himself realized, and ACCEPTED, that the only way to carry out any successful mission in Vietnam was by REMOVING THE VIETNAMESE FROM THE ENTIRE PROCESS! So HOW did LBJ fail to take the lesson and reverse himself on expanding the war when the outcome was not only inevitable but entirely predictable? WHY didn't McNamara or LBJ realize then and there, the supreme folly that this war would inevitably turn out to be? Because, this one statement from on high (General Wheeler of all people) could only mean that American involvement in a Vietnamese civil war had failure built in from the beginning!
The vietnamese are outside most of the decision-making in the Pentagon and the White House. They're not part of the peace talks that later start up with the north, where the US administrations sometimes think they need to negotiate with the USSR first.
There was a buddhist crisis when Ngô Đình Diệm tried to convert the nation to catholicism and was ousted and assassinated in a coup. Some more turmoil happens for a few years and junta man Nguyễn Văn Thiệu becomes the next president, winning elections where he is the only candidate.
LBJ HAS HIS HANDS COVER WITH BLOOD. SOME DAY HE WILL HAVE TO ANSWER TO GOD FOR EVERY SINGLE SOLDIERS KILLED IN THAT HELL OF A COUNTRY.
Awe MAN! I don't even want to see the rest of it. I read about this operation years back and man o man was it hard to read the first time. I think SF legend Billy Waugh was up on the air controller plane😒
Yeah, he was.
Will there be an audio version of the book?
Sorry, no.
Wheeler chairman of the joint chiefs, thats the guy who was involved in jfk coup according to Robert Kennedy jr, he said it in a podcast maybe a year ago, its on you tube.
At 6:20 you can see a bomb impacting the ground and detonating the bomb above it in the air. That is crazy.
Excellent presentation but I must correct one error. Marines flew CH46 Sea Knight tricycle landing gear helicopters, the Army flew CH47 Chinook helicopters.
That is correct. CH47s were strictly forbidden to fly in Laos. Marine CH46s were used by SOG.
@@DawsonsWar I believe that is because they are smaller, more agile and able to take a lot of hits before being downed. The only times I was on a CH47, I asked the crewchief if he was concerned about all of the hydraulic fluid running down the inside wall, he looked at me and said "NO, I would worry if it wasn't, then we would be out of hydraulic fluid". That was the last flight I ever took on one. The unit called itself "TWA, tiny world airlines", they had one CH47 and one UH1.
great graphics
Thanks
Many Fichtles walked in the jungle daddy'o☝
WE ATE NAPALM FOR BREAKFAST AND GRENADES FOR LUNCH, DINNER WAS A WATER BUFFALO.
SO TRUE!!!!
was the conspiracy true that war of vietnam have any connection of the mass distribution of crack cocaine. epidemic in our country ...??
No, that came later with Reagan's wars in Central America. Vietnam brought heroin big time to the US; some of it smuggled inside the corpses of GIs KIA. That was actually a metaphor for the whole goddam war.
Respect from Hanoi
Thank you. I think you will enjoy "The Most Dangerous Job in the North Vietnamese Army"
ruclips.net/video/38uICdMQQII/видео.html
I’ll tell all my Vietnamese buddies about your book.
My grandfather served on the Truong Son trail, not as solider but as a road builder.
He had lots of hungry nights. Since I was a kid, I never see him throw food away. Always save the leftovers for next meals and even eat molten food if we do not stop him. He loves Americans.
Again, I am Vietnamese man, born after the war but if any enermies who want to invade my loving VN one more time, I also hold gun to fight to my last breath to protect my fatherland. I am only the civilian but I swear to die for this country no matter who the enemies are , how strong they are! Do not bring war to Vietnam if not here is the grave for you!
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The Vietnamese people have a long proud history of defending their country. Many SOG veterans have returned to Vietnam and met with the men we fought. We share mutual respect. I know your fore-fathers pray that you actually have the courage they did.
These 'heroes' are letting the country to damnation, lets say I hope there will be one so I can take the evil forces NVA out of my beloved country.
@@Kay17265 --- TAKE YER MEDS . . . and dream on that white people will again rule Viet Nam with the help of local traitors. Now, open your shop and make money, whilst Vietnam progresses into the future.
Yah I bet you would 😂😂😂
since it isn't mentioned in the Video (only implied) I wish to confirm that Võ Nguyên Giáp was NOT killed by the Airstrike, he would survive the whole war, infact he only died in 2013 at the age of 102 (and having been born in 1911, I can't help but imagine that the man would have some of the most interesting stories)
Quite a few of this books are available in English on Amazon
@@DawsonsWar no offense, but is this a bot reply?
@@themanformerlyknownascomme777 No. I even went to Amazon to make sure I was right before I wrote it. Unless. of course, this is a bot reply too. Lol
@@DawsonsWar I think we are having a miscommunication, your talking about your book, I was talking about Võ Nguyên Giáp (unless your saying that your book contains a couple of passages that are personal accounts from Võ Nguyên Giáp)
@@themanformerlyknownascomme777 No, you wrote "and having been born in 1911, I can't help but imagine that the man would have some of the most interesting stories." And I replied that quite a few of his books have been published in English on Amazon.
www.amazon.com/s?k=Nguy%C3%AAn+Gi%C3%A1p&i=stripbooks&crid=3J7JQ89TSD8AI&sprefix=nguy%C3%AAn+gi%C3%A1p%2Cstripbooks%2C246&ref=nb_sb_noss_2
....and purchased! 😁
Thank you. Hope you enjoy it.
I wonder how much operations like this one occurred in Afghanistan ?
What an unmitigated disaster...
Unheralded heros
Why does it sound like an AI is reading this
I'm getting more interested in the local vietnamese and tribal forces active in the war. For each US troop I can read the accounts of, they always seem to mention a whole slew of locals who were there alongside them. And that just makes me want to know more about what all the south korean special forces, cuban anti-communists, partisans around the world, kurds, afghan security men were doing as auxiliaries to different US wars.
Don't forget all the Nazis. America loves arming and funding Nazis.
Well seeing as how we haven't won a single one of those wars since 1945, I would say they were all just getting in the way and fucking everything up while also playing both sides and giving intelligence to the enemy.
TZINN LOY !
I recommend the book " Vietnam-Why did we go?" by Avro Manhattan! It tells about the real story about the origin of our involvement in Vietnam! It exposes the real force behind the insanity of our involvement in Vietnam and its results in real life! All that insanity under the name of anti-communism!
Nifty
God bless Americans, I love the American spirit, but as a political entity, there are few that have been worse, none that have lied and gaslit and covered up as much.
The men of MACV-SOG were guys that believed in the mission, they were hard guys and they have my respect for that, but they were abused by their leadership. It makes me wonder what kind of stories of shady, off the budget, black ops teams will come out in 40 years that currently operate in Ukraine or Africa or South America
Sorry but thats absolutely not even close to being true. No country, ever, in history or in the modern day makes public all of their secret military operations, units etc. Sorry but even in a democracy that stuff is none of the citizens business at the time it is going on until it will no longer affect operations if its leaked. You think nazi germany was telling its citizens anything of what was going on? Look at how secret the brits were about things when they were fighting alone in europe. Actually the US government is one of the most transparent when it comes to telling their citizens about what their military is doing because of all the backlash the government got during 20+years in the middle east and even before. Name a country thats significantly more transparent who has fought in any war in the last 30 years. For example look at the most modern war. The ukrainians are the less authoritarian of the two and they are incredibly nontransparent and locked down to their citizens besides what 3rd party media forces them to acknowledge its almost 100% propaganda from them, and dont even look at china, russia or iran if you think thats bad. And this whole concept of the public knowing the important details of a war their country was in wasnt even invented before the 1940s
They should mske a movie about these guys
This isn't the mission with Pat Watkins, is it?
I haven't seen his name listed. Dexter and Laney were the USASF lost
Nothing has changed in 50 years lmao
Lesson learned : Do not fuck with the always victorious General Vo Nguyen Giap and the People's Army.
Never understood why anyone ever listened to Mc Namara he had no business in that job Johnson should have just let the generals do there job but who would listen to anyone that knew there jobs.
I'm so thankful the Taliban were not as fierce as the Vietcong and NVA.
I'm not so sure about that.
@@DawsonsWar Vietcong and NVA were able to inflict 100 casualty rate on our green berets and seals.
Both kicked our asses
The Taliban did not have a conventional army supporting them. So take away the nva and leave the Vietcong and you'll have the same situation as the Taliban
SEAL casualty rates were pretty light by comparison to SF.
You guys are amazing. I was in that area 1969-1970 with 101st we heard stories but we had no idea. Thanks for all you did. We really appreciated it. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🎖🪂
Thanks
Am i the only one thinking maybe it's time we got back in the fight? Those VC have been standing awful proud these last 50 years.
Really?
Yes. You are the only one.
@@DawsonsWar Vietnam today has an economy similar to modern China, a sort of state capitalist model. They are one of many smaller nations of the region who try to counter the growing PRC along with Thailand, South Korea etc. Right now it's going the other direction, Vietnam and the USA have increasing amounts of security cooperation.
Post-war unified Vietnam almost immediately had a conflict with the Khmer Rogue in Cambodia and by extension their chinese backers. There was a round of suppression and re-education camps. The first renovation campaigns to allow privatization started in the late 80's, and then Bill Clinton visited. I think they're officially a "socialist market-oriented economy" now.
DÙ'NG LAI !
DOL! 🫡👍🏾
Nifty
Is this the mission SFC Charles Wilklow received the MoH for?
Wiklow did not receive the MOH
@DawsonsWar well shit, I apologize, Sir. I thought he had received it, but I was mistaken. Thank you for correcting me. Did He receive any citations for this mission? What he was able to do was super human, in my opinion. All of you guys in SOG were super human. Having served in combat myself in Iraq, I can't even begin to fathom the things you guys were able to accomplish against such lopsided odds.
@@bradkempton7905 I don’t know if he was decorated for his actions. I certainly hope he was. Among the FOBs, FOB 1’s commanders and staff officers displayed a lack of interest in seeing that their ground operators were properly awarded.
REMINISCE OF BLK HAWK DOWN FORTH COMING IN SOMALIA 👌😁
Question china suppying north Vietnamese Russia selling weapon's just who is America giving tax dollars to china's military getting larger
Yup. Can’t not win a war defensively. Either blockage the Port of Hai Phong and take over Loa choke points of logistics for North Vietnamese or never go to war in the first place. Paris peace accord of 1954 should have been both North and South remained armless only UN forces or mix of USA/Russian forces to keep the peace until vietnam can decide on their own how they want to unified their country. Ho Chi Minh had been supplied by USSR to kill any that opposed him politically in the north.
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This is one of the most ridiculous missions I've ever heard of.
As a lifelong British soldier, I just can't understand why it's so difficult for Americans to speak up to their bosses. A British officer would never accept such a stupid idea without discussion and debate. A plan like this one would be met with suggestions of how to make it work and/or a simple; "this is dumb as hell. change it or forget it.''
They'd rather face the consequences for disobedience than just sacrifice men for madness... in turn higher commanders respect them for that and the quality men and units that ethos creates and so would never give them such bullshit orders in the firstplace... We do our best for each other up and down.
Americans are more expendable and replaceable, I guess.
Certainly there is no real bond or respect for the boots from the high command... at least not to a normal Eruopean level.
That they came up with such a basic and idiotic scheme at all shows a complete incompotentcy and disregard for any standard... As if they were untouchable.
Sometimes American forces seem to me to be run like Chinese forces relative to us on the other side of the Atlantic.
Not to mention a complete lack of understanding of PAVN capabilities
@@DawsonsWar right. it's incredible. it's really like those officers are untouchable and don't even feel any pressure to be good at their jobs... that type of shit just has no place in the Army. and where its civillian political leadership doesn't know any better, commanders should be telling them what's achievable and what isn't, not saying 'sir, yes sir!!!' 🤦🏻♂️
The reason is corruption and it has been steadily turning the United States into shit since 1950.
Great story thanks for your service!
Thanks
@@DawsonsWar Wow the creator replied to me! GO NATO! GO DELTA! 💀