Oh thank god. No joke, using these three moves far more often finally broke my plateau at Fujin and let me rise up 2 ranks tonight. It seriously cannot be understated how valuable they are to Leo's neutral game. *Especially* df+3, IMO; if you don't make ample use of this, it becomes incredibly difficult to properly keep good players in check in the higher ranks, and no other move gives you more time to safely process the enemy's next move like this one. You're doing awesome work, Richie!
This is the exact type of guide I needed. When I look for Leo guide idc about moves and their properties I can look them up in the movelist. I want to know how to play this character without getting spammed the hell out of me. Now we need a Leo pressure game video and defensive game vs aggressive players.
As someone new to leo that struggles with the neutral this video is gold. Id be interested in more videos like this as you find more neutral tools as well if thats something youd be into.
Df3 is really slept on. The range it has plus alleviating one of Leo's only weaknesses (which is sidestepping since Bajiquan has a lot of linear movement) just goes hard.
17f for a homing mid that knockdowns and wallsplats is quite fast usually most are slower than 17f. But yeah if the opponent knows how to ssr block vs Leo then your df3 is gonna blocked and they are still able to avoid your other other main mids and jab. @@neopolitan9156
I've never slept on it, that been my go to since t7. Keep you honest moves like that forces people to eat your mix from it's threat. If you can get people to play 2d in Tekken Leo will melt you.
Good to know i've been doing things at least half right! I think my biggest fault is I do usually let B1 rip into either 1+2 bok or 4 and let the stance be my mix up option alone, and rely on it too much to get into pressure. With just doing B1 though, it's basically a mix on top of a mix, but in a different way. Very good tip! I'll have to utilize that. Two i'd like to add myself is I love throwing out sway 3+4 to either get in or meet an approaching opponent, and I find it catches people all the time. Then also, as I play more defensive, throwing out F3+4 has been working out great for me too! Think of it almost like Bryan's standing 3+4. That, combined with D2, i've had pretty good success on defense when frustrating my opponent and forcing them to get impatient and make mistakes, just to blow them up.
The reason why I picked up Leo( aside from always wanting to play Leo) was due to the fact it takes skill to play Leo at a high Level. THIS. Is a perfect example of what I mean.
I dont know about “skill” but I know that Leo does not need perfect execution. The inputs are not that hard, the combo for optimal damage does need execution, leo has many tools including that 11 frame WS 4, 1+2, and now that 1,4 puts them into a 50/50? He have plenty of insane pressure tools and that DF 2 still launches on crouch. Only IWS 3 after UF 2, 1 back in tekken 7, but now we have heat engager and KnK Cancel is not necessary. I think leo is pretty easy compare to character like King, Kazuya, Jin, Steve (with his infamous shiro combo)
@@darrylhesatama3366 uhhh skill as in putting your basic fundamentals to the test and not being able to be saved by character specific things. I would know I’m a Jin main.
@@darrylhesatama3366 How many characters compared to Leo have easy input moves with more reward, more utility and less risk? Majority of the roster. Leo imo is not one of those characters, nor does he have panic moves. So skill is needed to play Leo in upper ranks.
@@Made0fClay now imagine this. Jin best counter move by far is F, 4. Back in tekken 7 you need to do stance cancel to do optimal damage, so is in tekken 8 buat its a lot easier to pick up using WS4 for some reason now. While in Leo’s case he only needs to do BOK 2 or Down 2 to make 3/4 of your health gone
@@kamspencer378 no panic move? Qcf 3 + 4 (safe), QCF 1, DF 2, magic 4 (guaranteed BOK 1 + 2, d 3 + 4). These are crazy keep out tool. The only reason he is hard to play is because high ranks enemies knows his counter is ssr
Ayoouu.💖 I love what you just explained about Leo's b1, but one thing I'd like about her df,3 is that on block, it pushes the opponent away in comparison to T7 where it used to leave her face to face with the opponent which made it completely useless. You could also do df3 from a tip range which will push the opponent even further. Glad other properties of this move were untouched such as being a homing move, wallsplat, and knocks the opponent away on CH. Cheers💖
Im a new Tekken/fighting game player coming from smash, so I barely understand anything in terms of Tekken language. But I picked up Leo, and started watching your guides to get a general feel for the game. Right now im still at a point where i find myself just pressing random stuff that feels right, but i really appreciate the time and detail you put into these videos. I cant wait for the day im able to do one of these long string combos you always see in tournaments!
I know you are probably not gonna read this long text but still i wanted to thank you for your videos they are really full of precious info. Tekken 8 is my first fighting game and Leo is the first char i tried and instantly clicked with, even if in the first days i was discouraged since i couldn't even do his normal combos from the training without hurting my fingers. Then i found your videos and i watched literally ALL your videos religiously and i learnt so much! you explain things so well that i wrote like 6 pages of notes XD. I still can't do super technical stuff like the pick up from one of your recent videos but i am slowly improving and i reached purple ranks only thanks to you so please keep going you are an amazing Leo and Tekken player! One thing i would like to learn is better combos without depending on heat, at the moment i do :launcher:>b1,1+2,1,f3,BOK1,2 and end with b1+2,1+2 d,df,f2 for damage when there's no wall and for wall carry i do :launcher: b1 f4KNK,crouchdash WS3, f4KNK crouchdash WS 2,1 (and if they hit the wall) i do b4 KNK4,3 tornado, now if they end up on the top part of the wall i go for BOK power crush , d3+4 (the stomp). if they end up on the lower part of the wall i just go WS 1,4,1. The biggest problem is when i hit someone after a sidestep and i launch them from behind/their side, i can't find a consisent way to keep them in the air because the normal combos drop them. Thank you again for all your videos they teached this newbie so much and i still have a lot to learn! i can't wait to see more
Bt punishers are b1,1+2 into df2 or 3,2,4 knk3 or b1+2,1+2,qcf2 combo I go for is 2,3 uf1,1 dash 3,2,3 and heat after the tornado can be an option too if it will kill
Hey Richie im a hard stuck eliminator orange rank, I’ve used all your tactics and watched your videos religiously. By chance could you possibly make a video about how us Leo mains can take what we learned from you and make a video simply on how to play Leo at a basic rank standard? Simply because I take what you teach us but it’s hard to use it online, especially that I’m a new tekken 8 player. And if not you still helped me excel and keep doing what your doing!!
At that rank you need to work on basic defense and match-up knowledge. The easiest way to clear orange and red rank is to simply punish knowledge checks and break throws.
I play leo a lot and im 10 dan but i dont play much. I enjoy him but sometimes i forget those simple moves like df3 so to get this really helps. Plus i kinda forgot how creative Leo can actually be.
the combo i use is pretty reliable, which is df2 b1-1+2 1 f3-d 1-2 dash forward 1+2 1+2 qcf2, you hold down during forward 3 to go into bok stance. ive been using it since i started playing them it does 67 to 70 damage depending if u get the qcf at the end right
When doing b3+4 it's best to do it from at least 1 backdash away or farther. Lots of new Leo players make the mistake of trying to do it from range 0 and they get hit. At point blank it will only evade stubby i20 or slower moves so it's not worth it.
Oh yeah random tech too. If you go into KNK stance and heat smash you can get a guaranteed F1+2, even at the wall 😂! But try it and with the way the opponent is in the air do you think you can find a way to get a combo from that? I’ve been looking but I’m going to lab it when I get off work later on.
Yh it makes sense, df3 may sacrifice frames in a lot of scenarios but keeping your opponent in check more often then not will prove beneficial in the long run
Hey bro can you help me understand when to use 2,2 instead of 1,2 staggers up close? I notice when im getting staggered to death by Lily or Nina i have much better luck breaking their pressure with 2,2 for the fast mid even though its slower and negative.
22 is unsafe on block and slower than 12. If you want to interrupt then 12 would be the better option. Or a single 1 jab would be better since even when whiffed from a duck or step it is still hard to punish, due to the fast recovery.
Let them mash, Leo has great panic buttons and CH tools but like Richie says back kenpo b3+4 will also help create space as well. Relax, you can do this!
I agree with the above moment, I had a victor push not stop against me, I just fought fire with fire. I would create space and if you don’t see a whiff, just close the distance with ff+2, b1,4
if they have lazy offence (mashing) learn the parries and it'll do wonders. if they're mashing on defence try to notice what they're mashing and take advantage of it. make them block a jab and then you have tons of options. you can duck and ws2, df2+3, db41, d1+2, side step, cr1, and if they're mashing out a string you can probably get them with db3. if they're mashing after blocking knk you can frame trap with 1 or 2. leo does very well when the opponent over extends so take advantage of it.
I’ve always been a Lee/Raven main but I wanted to play someone different. I’ve loosely played Leo since T6 but I’ve been literally destroying players with leo I’m currently a Mighty Ruler. However I’m still doing the df1, d1, wr141 wall combo 😂
Oh thank god. No joke, using these three moves far more often finally broke my plateau at Fujin and let me rise up 2 ranks tonight. It seriously cannot be understated how valuable they are to Leo's neutral game. *Especially* df+3, IMO; if you don't make ample use of this, it becomes incredibly difficult to properly keep good players in check in the higher ranks, and no other move gives you more time to safely process the enemy's next move like this one. You're doing awesome work, Richie!
This is the exact type of guide I needed. When I look for Leo guide idc about moves and their properties I can look them up in the movelist. I want to know how to play this character without getting spammed the hell out of me. Now we need a Leo pressure game video and defensive game vs aggressive players.
one day I will be able to understand what richie's leo tutorials as of now I am getting the feel of what tekken is about.
As someone new to leo that struggles with the neutral this video is gold. Id be interested in more videos like this as you find more neutral tools as well if thats something youd be into.
B3+4 was such a godlike move in T7. The way I got so many CHs from baiting my opponent with this into KNK 2. Definitely gonna make use of this again
Df3 is really slept on. The range it has plus alleviating one of Leo's only weaknesses (which is sidestepping since Bajiquan has a lot of linear movement) just goes hard.
Tell me about it steves hate this move so does azucena and reina
Its slept on cause its shit , slow af you lose your turn if blocked xiaoyu sleeps under it all day, its garbage
17f for a homing mid that knockdowns and wallsplats is quite fast usually most are slower than 17f.
But yeah if the opponent knows how to ssr block vs Leo then your df3 is gonna blocked and they are still able to avoid your other other main mids and jab. @@neopolitan9156
@@gigabateman9460 aaah thank you so much. i always had issues with azucena, will try this out
I've never slept on it, that been my go to since t7. Keep you honest moves like that forces people to eat your mix from it's threat. If you can get people to play 2d in Tekken Leo will melt you.
Good to know i've been doing things at least half right!
I think my biggest fault is I do usually let B1 rip into either 1+2 bok or 4 and let the stance be my mix up option alone, and rely on it too much to get into pressure. With just doing B1 though, it's basically a mix on top of a mix, but in a different way. Very good tip! I'll have to utilize that.
Two i'd like to add myself is I love throwing out sway 3+4 to either get in or meet an approaching opponent, and I find it catches people all the time. Then also, as I play more defensive, throwing out F3+4 has been working out great for me too! Think of it almost like Bryan's standing 3+4. That, combined with D2, i've had pretty good success on defense when frustrating my opponent and forcing them to get impatient and make mistakes, just to blow them up.
you should watch leotekkenfan on youtube, he constantly uses b1 efficiently, you could learn from his gameplay
I’m gonna try and get more mileage out of f3+4 potentially make a video discussing my thoughts too
Thanks
Appreciate it bro🙏🏽
The reason why I picked up Leo( aside from always wanting to play Leo) was due to the fact it takes skill to play Leo at a high Level. THIS. Is a perfect example of what I mean.
I dont know about “skill” but I know that Leo does not need perfect execution. The inputs are not that hard, the combo for optimal damage does need execution, leo has many tools including that 11 frame WS 4, 1+2, and now that 1,4 puts them into a 50/50? He have plenty of insane pressure tools and that DF 2 still launches on crouch. Only IWS 3 after UF 2, 1 back in tekken 7, but now we have heat engager and KnK Cancel is not necessary. I think leo is pretty easy compare to character like King, Kazuya, Jin, Steve (with his infamous shiro combo)
@@darrylhesatama3366 uhhh skill as in putting your basic fundamentals to the test and not being able to be saved by character specific things. I would know I’m a Jin main.
@@darrylhesatama3366 How many characters compared to Leo have easy input moves with more reward, more utility and less risk? Majority of the roster. Leo imo is not one of those characters, nor does he have panic moves. So skill is needed to play Leo in upper ranks.
@@Made0fClay now imagine this. Jin best counter move by far is F, 4. Back in tekken 7 you need to do stance cancel to do optimal damage, so is in tekken 8 buat its a lot easier to pick up using WS4 for some reason now. While in Leo’s case he only needs to do BOK 2 or Down 2 to make 3/4 of your health gone
@@kamspencer378 no panic move? Qcf 3 + 4 (safe), QCF 1, DF 2, magic 4 (guaranteed BOK 1 + 2, d 3 + 4). These are crazy keep out tool. The only reason he is hard to play is because high ranks enemies knows his counter is ssr
Ayoouu.💖
I love what you just explained about Leo's b1, but one thing I'd like about her df,3 is that on block, it pushes the opponent away in comparison to T7 where it used to leave her face to face with the opponent which made it completely useless. You could also do df3 from a tip range which will push the opponent even further. Glad other properties of this move were untouched such as being a homing move, wallsplat, and knocks the opponent away on CH.
Cheers💖
New Leo main here. keep up these great videos, they help me out a ton.
Bro I take all your tech then add my own twist to it and stomp people it’s hilarious bro 😂😂😂! You’re definitely the best Leo out there hands down. 💪🏿
Im a new Tekken/fighting game player coming from smash, so I barely understand anything in terms of Tekken language. But I picked up Leo, and started watching your guides to get a general feel for the game. Right now im still at a point where i find myself just pressing random stuff that feels right, but i really appreciate the time and detail you put into these videos. I cant wait for the day im able to do one of these long string combos you always see in tournaments!
Always learn a lot watching your stuff :)
Another banger. Thanks king 🎉
I know you are probably not gonna read this long text but still i wanted to thank you for your videos they are really full of precious info.
Tekken 8 is my first fighting game and Leo is the first char i tried and instantly clicked with, even if in the first days i was discouraged since i couldn't even do his normal combos from the training without hurting my fingers.
Then i found your videos and i watched literally ALL your videos religiously and i learnt so much! you explain things so well that i wrote like 6 pages of notes XD.
I still can't do super technical stuff like the pick up from one of your recent videos but i am slowly improving and i reached purple ranks only thanks to you so please keep going you are an amazing Leo and Tekken player!
One thing i would like to learn is better combos without depending on heat, at the moment i do :launcher:>b1,1+2,1,f3,BOK1,2 and end with b1+2,1+2 d,df,f2 for damage when there's no wall and for wall carry i do :launcher: b1 f4KNK,crouchdash WS3, f4KNK crouchdash WS 2,1 (and if they hit the wall) i do b4 KNK4,3 tornado, now if they end up on the top part of the wall i go for BOK power crush , d3+4 (the stomp). if they end up on the lower part of the wall i just go WS 1,4,1.
The biggest problem is when i hit someone after a sidestep and i launch them from behind/their side, i can't find a consisent way to keep them in the air because the normal combos drop them.
Thank you again for all your videos they teached this newbie so much and i still have a lot to learn!
i can't wait to see more
Bt punishers are b1,1+2 into df2 or 3,2,4 knk3 or b1+2,1+2,qcf2 combo I go for is 2,3 uf1,1 dash 3,2,3 and heat after the tornado can be an option too if it will kill
Appreciate the love🙏🏽
@@ayorichie omg I can't wait to try these.
Thank you!
Hey Richie im a hard stuck eliminator orange rank, I’ve used all your tactics and watched your videos religiously. By chance could you possibly make a video about how us Leo mains can take what we learned from you and make a video simply on how to play Leo at a basic rank standard? Simply because I take what you teach us but it’s hard to use it online, especially that I’m a new tekken 8 player. And if not you still helped me excel and keep doing what your doing!!
At that rank you need to work on basic defense and match-up knowledge. The easiest way to clear orange and red rank is to simply punish knowledge checks and break throws.
Could you send your game ID and let me see your games by any chance?
@@ayorichie yea my Id is 3jBB-Ye72-5iMQ and I favorited the last 20 games. I whiff a lot, but thanks for responding
I'm improving at Tekken thanks to you! Keep it up
I play leo a lot and im 10 dan but i dont play much. I enjoy him but sometimes i forget those simple moves like df3 so to get this really helps. Plus i kinda forgot how creative Leo can actually be.
Im having problems with combo consistency can you make a video on the most reliable combos for damage and all angles?
Look at sample combos. After that make it as optimal as possible. Some of the harder leo combos arent optimal.
I got you🙏🏽
@@ayorichie counter hit combos and wall combos would be great
@@ayorichie GOAT
the combo i use is pretty reliable, which is df2 b1-1+2 1 f3-d 1-2 dash forward 1+2 1+2 qcf2, you hold down during forward 3 to go into bok stance. ive been using it since i started playing them it does 67 to 70 damage depending if u get the qcf at the end right
When doing b3+4 it's best to do it from at least 1 backdash away or farther. Lots of new Leo players make the mistake of trying to do it from range 0 and they get hit. At point blank it will only evade stubby i20 or slower moves so it's not worth it.
Great video as always. What is the background music track?
hello,tekken 2 jun theme and tekken 4 airport theme :)
@@AzureSkyEditzThank you!
You’re awesome
Oh yeah random tech too. If you go into KNK stance and heat smash you can get a guaranteed F1+2, even at the wall 😂! But try it and with the way the opponent is in the air do you think you can find a way to get a combo from that? I’ve been looking but I’m going to lab it when I get off work later on.
Probably not but maybe an iws4,1+2 to break the wall could work at some distance but way too specific if possible🤣
@@ayorichie ouuuu I see what you’re saying ! Ima keep trying some shit and I’ll be sure to let you know bro lmao
Never thought of just using b1 as a poke by itself. Really handy tip! So far your videos got me to flame ruler, fingers crossed I can hit Fujin.
Great video man
Needed this
Man I miss b1 ch property. The reason I picked up Leo
tysm, i am struggling w my neutral currently
It will click the more different options you figure out, I recommend throwing out moves that have follow ups like qcf2 db2 f2 in neutral also
Didnt know I could sidestep cancel after knk via qcf
Yessir that’s how we do the cancel into the knee combos
🔥🔥🔥
I’m only tenryu but had to start using Df3 bc purple ranks plus are ss everything
Yh it makes sense, df3 may sacrifice frames in a lot of scenarios but keeping your opponent in check more often then not will prove beneficial in the long run
Hey bro can you help me understand when to use 2,2 instead of 1,2 staggers up close? I notice when im getting staggered to death by Lily or Nina i have much better luck breaking their pressure with 2,2 for the fast mid even though its slower and negative.
22 is unsafe on block and slower than 12.
If you want to interrupt then 12 would be the better option.
Or a single 1 jab would be better since even when whiffed from a duck or step it is still hard to punish, due to the fast recovery.
People mash too much on my leo. Been tryna work in movement to jus whiff punish, but jesus people mash so much
Ppl mash cuz they don’t know the mashup
No one plays against Leo often so you’ll be able to take advantage of that a lot 😂
Let them mash, Leo has great panic buttons and CH tools but like Richie says back kenpo b3+4 will also help create space as well.
Relax, you can do this!
I agree with the above moment, I had a victor push not stop against me, I just fought fire with fire. I would create space and if you don’t see a whiff, just close the distance with ff+2, b1,4
if they have lazy offence (mashing) learn the parries and it'll do wonders. if they're mashing on defence try to notice what they're mashing and take advantage of it. make them block a jab and then you have tons of options. you can duck and ws2, df2+3, db41, d1+2, side step, cr1, and if they're mashing out a string you can probably get them with db3. if they're mashing after blocking knk you can frame trap with 1 or 2. leo does very well when the opponent over extends so take advantage of it.
I’ve always been a Lee/Raven main but I wanted to play someone different. I’ve loosely played Leo since T6 but I’ve been literally destroying players with leo I’m currently a Mighty Ruler. However I’m still doing the df1, d1, wr141 wall combo 😂
FeelsSleepyMan
Can someone pls make a list for those who are in a hurry 🥹