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Complete guide to Cold-Orbiting - Thargoid Combat Tutorial
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- Опубликовано: 4 авг 2020
- In this video we explain the Cold Orbit technique of engaging thargoid interceptors and the maneuvering considerations in maintaining a succesful orbit
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Top tier AX tutorial
I know this is an old video, but: I am a returning player and this is the best guide I've found on cold orbiting so far. back when I used to hunt regularly, I developed an imperfect cold orbiting technique and I could never figure out how to avoid orbit decay. the tip to keep the thargoid trail on one side only and strafe in the opposite direction is insanely helpful. will be joining the good fight once again!
This video and this community remind me why I'm still playing this game. Its seen some dark days over the last year but I truly hope it can overcome them. What a fantastic tutorial, gets my blood pumping.
Really well explained guide, which differs in some notable ways from tutorials I've (unsuccessfully) tried to follow in the past. This makes me want to give AX another go, thanks!
Yes this content was very good in that regard!
This is the best video I've found on ax combat ever
This is the best narration and visual aids I have seen in a guide period. I want to jump right in, then I remembered I have only been playing for 2 days and have nothing unlocked.
Best video I had ever seen for cold orbiting
Holy hell, I am glad AX combat got a buff. Given the level of preparation required and the skill involved, you should be getting stacks of rare mats and credits for this. The trickiest things I deal with are pulsar boosts and blowing up asteroids. I might get around to Thargoid combat... in a year.
IT'S ALMOST TIME MATE! It's been 11 months!
Ok mate,
"Show me what You Got"
You can "prepare" for AX combat by killing Cyclopses in AXCZs in a G2 multi cannon Chieftain or DBX ... you don't have to sit in a corner meditating for a year before starting lol
This has answered so many questions I never knew how to ask. Sincere thanks from an AXI knucklehead.
ALL I HAD TO DO WAS ROLL THE DAMN SHIP. Thanks CMDR Kate, outstanding tutorial.
Emmmm... Emmm... I am speechless. So THIS is what I was missing, dang!
The quality of this video is amazing. I want to do AX combat for the first time and this is very helpful, thanks!
Wow! There is a wealth of really valuable information in there. Thank you so much!
i did get my first 3 interceptor kills with a shieldless Chief, lost my canopy twice though... :) Cold Orbiting isn't something that comes naturally for me but i keep on trying, i will master this in time. Thanks for the awesome guide!
I was missing the lateral thrust from my strategy. No doubt with this new knowledge I will progress beyond a Medusa in no time. Glory to mankind... and Kate.
This the best video about cold orbit EVER!
Great vid, well done.
With the war on, Im finally gonna get me some gauss cannons and a Krait and give this stuff a try.
Thanks for the help!
So helpfull, with this and the Maligno’s guide you get everything you need to start orbiting ! Thank you so much
Been fighting all these year with just shield tanks, and i just got my very first orbit kill a couple minutes ago, thanks for the tutorial!!
Been hearing about cold orbiting for months and this is the first guide that actually make sense of how to do it. Good job!
Wow! This is great information. Thank you SO much. You now have another follower. Keep posting and spreading great knowledge :)
Really impressive / empowering video, guys o7
Awesome vid never heard of cold orbiting till this vid appeared on my home list thing. Way harder than it looks since I can't make heads or tails of flight assist off lol
Clearest guide I've watched, thanks. The practice points seem very clear, fingers crossed!
Awsoooommmmmeeee videooooo!!! Finally 100% tactical piloting manueveurs in this game. No headlong blaze of glory here. I'm in. Gathering guardian loadout now. Totally worth it. Liked and subscribed!!! Where's the Patreon!!!!
THANK YOU! Literally just started my bug swatting career with the most recent Thargoid incursion, and while I've mostly been doing PVE and PVP combat since combat is what I like most, there's been a lot to learn when it comes to AX combat and this helped me out a ton.
Really well written. Thanks.
excellent explanation and diagrams.
Very, very, well done, dear lady. Colour me impressed ... even tho’ I doubt I could ever do this (keyboard + mouse warrior :O).
Keyboard and mouse is the suggested optimal control scheme for what you are seeing here. Getting fine grained control for accuracy with a stick requires high grade hardware, and even then it doesn't quite stack up to kbm. You can do it with a bit of practice 🙂
@@vengefire The OP says they use stick and throttle for this, which takes either a $1K hotas setup, smoothing software outside the game, or was a lie. look at the smoothness of the aiming at all times. You cant do that with a t16k joystick. Its input is physically not possible.
ah Will, nice to see you back :P
Git gud is the answer though dude - just because YOU can't do it doesn't mean noone can :D
@@vengefire Sorry for the late response, I didn't see your reply until just :O.
The two biggest problems I have with 'control' using a kb and mouse are throttle manipulation and dealing with FA OFF. In combat I rely on my thrusters to manoeuvre as I can't easily get to where I have set up the throttle increments and with FA OFF I end up wildly swinging about as I can't re-centre accurately after an input. Neither of these are the fault of the input devices themselves, I realise but when you're nearing retirement age and your joints are getting stiff then getting gud is all the harder :chuckles:.
@@dallassukerkin6878 turning on relative mouse movement in the controls and lowering mouse sensitivity a bit should solve your problem of wildly swinging about in FA OFF.
Cmdr Kate has a very steady hand for 'flight assist off' manouevres. Been playing the game for years and I can't do that with a stick. I can just about do it with a mouse. I am given comfort by Cmdr Will's video that states that FA on can be just as effective.
Thanks so much , yesterday i been all day practicing it solo on cyclops....confy now around them , and proficient intersector goid hunter , Thanks so much guys ...shame on fdev letting ya go ☹️...top top top tier tutorial.
Nicely done and thanks for the video.
The best guide to cold orbiting. Thanks Kate.
I really don't think you need to use 2 vectors for cold orbiting, I orbit with the goids trail off to my right, i use right thrusters, you end up in a swinging orbit with the goid, you get its momentum along with it, the only time i use downward thrust is if i begin to stall, you cant stall in front of the goid anything more than a cyclops and you will take huge damage in a shieldless build. I really tried using both down/right thrusters and i just couldn't steady my aim, so maybe its a me issue, i'm not at your skill level ether.
Check out my latest up load of a Basilisk kill, tell me what ya think.
o7
yeah it takes practice to get your aim in line with the correct orbiting technique. in my opinion control input method also makes a big difference. I have been watching your recent videos too :) good work on the Medusa and your Basilisk today
Amazing tutorial
I have been trying to do Hydras for 2 years and only a month ago learnt to solo Medusas consistently. I don't have the collective knowledge of AXI as their ADMIN banned me on DISCORD 3 times years ago because of false accusations and my spirit of free free thinking. :) C'est La Vie! :) I watched this and did 5 hearts on a Hydra which is 4 more than I ever did before! I always flew into trails so my Cutter orbiting was not so good! GREAT video and tutelage! THANK YOU! Feeling like a naughty kid who just watched his parents X-Rated videos! :) Nya hah ha ha ha! I have the know ledge. Big hello to all the AXI pilots who still fly with me! :)
Brilliant tutorial, great job. Now I just need to put it into practice
Crazy production values on this video.
Very well made video!
very well explained! youre a legend!
Incredible video
you saved me so many rebuys
Awesome sauce, thanks for the tips.
o7
Thank you for this video
Great tutorial. You told we need to move 90 degrees perpendicular to the trail of the thargoid. but according to the diagram. then you shouldn't be able to see the petals (heart) of the goid. but when you are cold orbiting all i see is goid is facing you. which means goid is able to move in directions they are not facing.
thks Kate ;; i will try...
Hull tanks are also very viable due to the phasing damage with shields (: FGS and a Corvette are strong anti goid ships, but I then I've seen people even using the T-10. Thanks for this video
This video is incredible btw
Brilliant! I'm off to practice now.
Great guide! Thank you for putting it together.
Seen a few of your videos now . Well presented and explained .
Also has made me realise just how much is involved in AX combat !!
I have yet to get to this . Im planning on a Krait 2 as that seems to be a popular ship . I have,a type 10 but Im not sure its fast enough or maneuverable enough . I use it for AFK massacre missions. It seems perfect for that ( made couple of billion in credits ) . I use a Vulture for CZ massacre missions.
That is the extent of my combat .
This is interesting , I plan on doing scouts at first .
Think I would struggle with the advanced stuff . Plus Im on console so the controller is not as flexible for use in weapon fire groups .
My initial problem here would be having gauss cannons on separate fire buttons and then be able to still launch heatsinks . A lot of fire group switching which is the limitation when on console , as Ive found .
Subbed... def more and more interested in these cold builds... our group have moved from gauss cannons to shard cannon near insta kills on the tier 5 stuff but I’d love to move up
05:21 use of thrusters and vectors and orbiting.
Very helpful thank you
Noice.
I've been playing since July last year on Xbox and didn't even know about forward and backwards thrusters, so was like huh?
I need a Hotas
Gotta say as someone that currently does exclusively cargo and exploration, but is thinking of giving AX a try, this is all WAY more complicated than I thought itd be, but also looks really cool... but I think I should probably get more practice at just flying under thrusters first, since I spend almost all of my time in supercruise other than take off and landing (although have taken up mining recently, so maybe those asteroid belts could provide a good training area for manuvering)
this comment is a bit old, but if you're still playing: I do suggest ship combat first, even if you fly exclusive FA-on. let yourself get used to real-space flying before taking on FA-off combat. very well worth the effort, I'd say thargoid combat is the most fun I've had a long, long time.
tip: the cobra MK3 is a great beginner's ship that can do everything. fit a couple lasers and take some combat missions!
but, hey, don't worry about missing it if you're not into combat. ED has something for everyone, but you don't **have** to do everything. most important is to have fun!
Excellent guide!
This is a new game... Really nice!
That sounds hard. Going to try it though! There is a LOT to remember and know how to do in order to do AX. It's almost like starting the game over again, it is so much.
Wow. This explains a lot!
damn good tutorial, well done
Very helpful tutorial! For the mug! o7
I have a question. In order to prevent the bug matching his trajectory to your vector. Why does the manoeuvre require rolling for orientation for escape by side thust? Why not just roll whilst continuing to down thrust and escape that way? By the way you guys are the top gurus of bug killing. I watch your videos with complete amazement and not a little jealousy.
That was a really cool vid. I've not heard of this strategy before. Guess I will have to improve my badly sub-par FA-off skills. How many heatsinks do you wind up firing off, btw?
Well done!
Thank you, RUclips, for removing my subscription when I didn't want to unsubscribe!
Hey thanks for this great video. At the moment I have an issue keeping the thargoid at optimum range, it always turn and get away which makes aiming very difficult.
Thank You!
You say vent beams don't work but I find I'm able to fire a vent beam and a single gauss and stay under 20%. That may not be optimal damage for time but it does work. That's on a krait and I imagine a ship with more hardpoint could make it work
Thank you. The only issue I have is I use an xbox style controller instead of a Hotas on PC, while up/down & lateral thrust is ok I have trouble with forwards/backwards thrust. When I'm cold orbiting I'm forced to use main throttle to maintain distance but this often causes the orbiting to become too erratic. The result being poor aiming at the hearts. I don't really want to use a shield tank, any advice? (My anti-xeno ship is a shieldless Cutter).
great video, but i've just got a quick question about the orbit part of cold orbiting: why do you need to use lateral thrusters? couldn't you just align yourself so the interceptor trail is always below you and just hold the downward thrusters? I ask because i'm having some real trouble thrusting in 3 directions at the same time while keeping my aim steady, and was wondering whether there was an easier way.
So, as far as thermal vent goes, is it better to have 1x 3C? Or 2x 1E? Does the class size matter? I want as little distributor draw as possible.
Jesus this sounds hard.
Masterclass! (Or Mistressclass - what do I know?). Great, and very detail tutorial though Kate, with excellent graphics. I'll be trying this as soon as I've unlocked the larger of the corrosive-resistant cargo racks, but I doubt I'll ever reach your skills level. o7 CMDR
Don't write yourself off too easily, I started AX last year and I was predictably hopeless at first. 2 weeks ago, I killed my first Hydra solo, and these are the exact mechanics I used to achieve it.
Great video. Why not throttle, as opposed to forward and reverse thrusters?
well you have to make adjustments to thrust very quickly, and the throttle just isnt really intended for that :)
Anyone got a link to a good guide on setting up thrusters on an X52 HOTAS? Many thanks.
My buddy and i do attack runs. though we only had AX multi cannons and we only managed to take out one or two hearts. Then again it was out second and third attempt at a goid kill
First off.... awesome vid Citizen Kate (and Will)... fantastic explanation. Subbed :) Secondly, I have a question: Does anyone have any suggestions for axis control on a Dual Sense or other handheld gamepad? Up/Down and Fwd/Rev are fine, but I can't come up with a sensible way to control lateral thrust. Any advice/points in the right direction would help. Thank you again! :)
Is there a video of you fighting a Thargoid that shows your key presses?
Im working on FA off especially for the flak cannon, but I seem to be ok doing cold orbiting with FA on. At least, I can see the thargie's fire missing me.
Am I right in assuming that I will be cold orbiting by constantly applying downward/sidewards thrust instead of in bursts with FA off?
Awesome skills - Im watching your complete Thargoid War series at the moment and am learning loads
Hi Chris, yes orbiting with FA ON is also achievable and even some of the top Ace ranking pilots in the AXI use FA ON. it's trickier because as you have deduced it requires constant input but if it is working for you then you should definately stick with it ;) and thank you for watching out videos! :)
@@Citizen_Kate thank you. I shall keep practising FA off anyway as its a good skill to have and if I get competent make the switch.
+1 Very good !
Thank you very much! :)
I wish this was easier with F/A on, I already struggle to aim with it on, much less with it off
would you cool faster if you used more beam lasers?
what about a full beam laser build with long range? the extra damage from no fall off would match the gauss cannons?
Thargoid ships take only 33% of damage from normal weapons. It would be a very long fight using only beams.
In more technical terms, firing a beam laser at the same time draws more distributor power and can either result in less gauss firerate or more heat generated by the gauss (distributors are weird) and causing heat spiking. It's way better to just fire a split gauss firegroup and rely entirely on heatsinks while the beam assists outside of attack runs.
Ok this was a good explanation.. Can it be done without fa off? I'm guessing not really. Which means with a mouse it's not really thst possible. :/
Hey absolutely brilliantly explained thank you! But I just noticed, you maybe tagged this under the hella wrong game?! 😅 Unless of course you're from the distant future where Star Citizen fully releases!
nice vid, dont you run out of Hsinks? or u break off to synth them back at some point? Also do you keep the cold loop even with thargons swarming?
Does anyone know the name of the song that starts at 3:41? Spent more than one day looking for it already.
Top thx!
There are terms and words i don't understand because i'm not a native so i had to visit dictionaries lol
I still don't understand what is lateral thrusting
oh well i can always use hit n run tactic if things goes sideways, at least until i get the hang of it
thats nice and all but what about those pesky scouts? cant really hit those with gauss
So what's the build here? Looks like a Chieftain with 1 large beam, 1 large guass and 3 small and 1 medium flak?
Very good guide. Whats your view on handling the swarm with a cold built. Do you mainly ignore it (depending on the interceptor type), stay below 20 degrees and avoid it, or take it down before the attack run?
Always take the swarm down before attacking. The exception is if the Thargoid is enraged, in which case, reduce the swarm down to 10 or so, then go for the attack. Once a heart is killed, enrage ends and you can dispose of the remaining swarm. Note that the swarm does not care how cold you are, boost away, flip round in FA Off and shoot them down that way.
I use fa on/off on a toggle... It's wildly distracting for me to have to use my throttle as rapidly as leaving fa off..
Anyway...
You think that will still do the trick?
Quality content o7
now here's the million dollar question: how do you practice this without getting yoruself blown into a pile of space dust by thargoids
haha you dont :D you just accept that you are going to die a lot and always pick yourself up and get back out there when you do - but also so long as your ship is fast enough you can generally make an escape ;)
@@Citizen_Kate aaaah i feared you would say that. good thing my krait is cheap lol.
I can promise you though, that by learning to die gracefully you will learn how not to die ;) it can be a long road but very rewarding - the feeling when it all falls into place is really great
@@Citizen_Kate escaping? COWARDS! As a commander you go down with the ship and you swallow that rebuy with vinegar!
/s/
@@12345DJay Orbit around the nav beacon :) . just kidding.
You're amazing, so jealous of your skill! Something I'm trying to figure out is how your are setting your fire groups. Specifically, how you're firing your heatsinks without changing fire groups. It appeared... like you were manually firing heatsinks one at a time, one after the other thru 3 sets of heatsinks....but you didn't change fire groups. Can you explain how to do this?
there is a dedicated keybind for heatsinks under 'cooling' in the options :)
@@Citizen_Kate Ahh, okay I'll need to figure out a way to do that on PlayStation. Thank you!!
@@Citizen_Kate I wish I could a dedicated for the shut down neutralizer.
you using mouse and keyboard for that orbit manuver
Do you get 0% heat generation simply by not having shields turned on? Or does it require more specific setups?
you use heatsinks, basically they last 10 seconds and when runs out you just use another one
@@Citizen_Kate Thanks. And one more (and final) question... are all ships capable of cold-orbiting the Thargoid Interceptors?
o7 Commander.
ok. But seriously how though... You are sooo stable in FA off... is that mouse/kb?
I use a HOTAS, specifically the VKB Gladiator NXT stick and TCWS throttle, but at the AXI there are members that use everytihng from Keyboard + Mouse to Xbox Controller :)
It's all about practice and persistence - everyone is bad at FA OFF to begin with but in time it becomes second nature
@@Citizen_Kate Agreed, I use FA off regularly to "slide" when its preferred. but my TM 16000 (3rd warranty so far) is giving out again, and the 3dPro is showing its age as well. Twitchy controls and no center make for difficult thruster control. I'm trying to hold out for Virpil / warthog to become availalbe again. VKB comparible to Virpil I presume.
@@Citizen_Kate Thanks for info, after trying to stay cold i was able to get to the last heart without losing 10% hull, but my shots are very hard to land in FA off... got a case of the wobbles with the krait. Wish there was a way to adjust the rates... I wish VKB had throttle though...
Such a great Video! Thank you. Sad you plaing this SC. Come back to elite. SC is soo boring vs this.