Soke reveals new book about Gyokko Ryu
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- Опубликовано: 1 янв 2024
- Ishizuka Tetsuji, soke of Gyokko Ryu, has decided to write a book about the school that is called "the backbone of classical Japanese martial arts". Stay tuned for the financing campaign for the publication this january!
Aside from being Soke of Gyokko Ryu, Bujinkan Dai Shihan Ishizuka sensei also has menkyo kaiden of the following schools:
Kukishin Ryu Dakentaijutsu
Togakure Ryu Ninpo
Koto Ryu Koppojutsu
Shinden Fudo Ryu Dakentaijutsu
Takagi Yoshin Ryu Jutaijutsu
Gyokushin Ryu Ninpo
Gikan Ryu Koppojutsu
Kumogakure Ryu Ninpo
Pre-order here: www.ryugi.fr/en/product/gyokk...
Wow! what wonderful news! I already want to read it. Thank you.
Look forward to it.
Wonderful
Felicitaciones!! 🎉🎉🎉 genial!!!
Definitely ready!
Cant wait for the release
Magnifique!
Brasil Thank you.
Super !! une belle année qui commence.👺😻😼
Sugoiiiii!! 🙇🙇🙏
No cabe duda de que hatsumi dejo a muy buenos y exelentes guerreros a cargo. Pero como hatsumi no habra dos, y siento que hatsumi sabe más secretos que nunca dijo
Any updates?
Jeez, many Grandmasters do we have from the Takamutsu lineage?
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When can we buy the book?
You would make a bad Ninja if you can't pay attention! The video clearly states that fund raising will take place in Jan 2024! You have to have money before you can put together a book and get it published. It takes time to raise funds. How does the author know when he will have enough funds? It is all dependent on how fast the funds come in, and also the work involved.
Finally!!
"Modern Togakure-ryu and various historical claims are taught by Masaaki Hatsumi (Takamatsu's successor) and the Bujinkan organization. Criticism regarding the historical accuracy of the Bujinkan's claims of lineage have arisen from several issues of the Bugei Ryūha Daijiten:
The 1978 version of the Bugei Ryūha Daijiten states that Takamatsu's Togakure-ryu "genealogy includes embellishments by referring to data and kuden about persons whose existence is based on written materials and traditions in order to appear older than it actually is."[38]
The 1969 version of the Bugei Ryūha Daijiten states that Takamatsu's Togakure-ryu "is a genealogy newly put together by Takamatsu Toshitsugu, who made use of (took advantage of) the popularity of written materials on ninjutsu after the Taishō era" and that "there are many points where it has added embellishments, it has made people whose real existence is based on written records older than is actually the case, and so it is a product of very considerable labor".[39]
The 1963 version of the Bugei Ryūha Daijiten states of Takamatsu's Togakure-ryu "this genealogy refers to various written records and oral transmissions and there are many points/places where embellishments have been added and people appearing in the genealogy are also made older than they actually are".[40]
Watatani questioned whether there was enough evidence that Togakure ryū was an unbroken tradition since the 12th C, but he did not doubt that Togakure ryū was an art that pre-dated the Meiji period."
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Lol
"Dr. Hatsumi was asked many years ago to provide documentation of some of his lineage for admittance to the Kobudo Shinkokai, perhaps the most reliable of the major organizations of traditional Japanese martial arts, and according to Donn Draeger, in a conversation to me, he was not able to provide documentation which proved his lineage to their satisfaction. Thus, there are uncertain areas in Dr. Hatsumi's lineage."
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@@justinstewart9472 Don't Kill the messenger! Lol
Of course there is uncertainties, and i dont think hatsumi or his students care. The Bujinkan chugs on without it
If you are going to quote someone, site your source.
It is uncertain just how many people are constipated and are aware of it... look I just restated, lol - no one cares!
"Donn Draeger claimed that Hatsumi tried to get a few of his ryuha registered with a koryu organization. It was it the Nihon Kobudo Kyokai Shinkokai. He wasn't able to verify any of his claims and was turned down."
Lol at "claimed".
@@righteousshadowsdojopt.3979 You're reaching G.
@@JustinPrime85 ain't that the black calling the kettle pot.
@@righteousshadowsdojopt.3979 Do all the mental gymnastics you want and enjoy the fantasy but it has no basis in history. For someone who considers themselves a "scientist" you're awfully ignorant and not interested in facts or true information which is suprising to me. Instead of taking jabs at me why don't you do some research onthe points that were being made? But nah it's easier to just go on the attack and ridicule a stranger online than do proper research.
@@JustinPrime85 what happened to your comment?
I did my research and studied this art for years.
You don't get it.
Your hate shows even though you think you know this art. You don't.
If you wanna learn let me know.
That's the metsubishi in your face and mental.
You're a cornball.
In high-school you were a nobody.
"promo sm" 🌺
Dr. Friday: These are just 3 out of 9. Problem is that if he is the 34th soke it means logically that there where 33 more sokes before him. If this school were a modern one it means they'd have to switch every almost three years which didn't happen.
That might be persuasive logic if there were any documentation to substantiate Hatsumi's claim to 33 predecessors. But there is none--as I noted earlier, no document for the Togakure-ryu that predates the Meiji period (or rather, none that survived the scrutiny of independent experts) (see 2 above, my insert). Moreover, the genealogies claimed by Hatsumi (and by his teacher Takamatsu To*****ugu) are highly suspect.
The Katori-Shinto-ryu and the Kashima-Shinryu, two of the oldest classical bugei schools in Japan, are currently in their 20th and 19th generations. The Owari branch of the Yagyu Shinkage-ryu is in its 21st. The Jikishin-kageryu is in its 18th. All of these schools date back to the late 15th or mid 16th century, the very dawn of the organized bugei ryuha phenomenon. How is it that the Togakure-ryu has passed through 34 generations. And why has the Kumogakure-ryu passed though only 14?
The Takamatsu-Hatsumi genealogy for the Shinden Fudo-ryu traces things back 25 generations to the mid 11th century, which is at least 400 years earlier than any historian accepts the existence of any bugei ryuha--and at least two centuries before the scale and organization of warfare in Japan would make espionage activity valuable enough for anyone to seriously consider developing methods for carrying it out.
Hatsumi's titles to most of the ryuha he claims to be soke for come from Takamatsu To*****ugu, who in turn claimed to have inherited them from Toda Masamitsu. It's worth noting, in this context, that in the third edition of the Bugei ryuha daijiten Watatani Kiyoshi stated that Takamatsu (who was, BTW, a personal friend of his) had created his "ninpo" ryuha and teachings from "ninja-gokko" ("childhood ninja games")..."
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@@user-lq2yi8op7w I dont care about Dr. Fridays claims that is not what I am trying to prove we trying to prove or disprove the "Togakure Ryu's" historical claims and thus far they have been unable to validate those claims.
@@user-lq2yi8op7w So they have something in common. Lol
@@user-lq2yi8op7w I can use various sources to corroborate what I am saying. I don't need Dr. Karl Fridays opinion. He was just questioning their lineage claims, but many historical researchers in Japan do. Ask the Koryu groups what they think of Hatsumi's claims. He is just one of many. Why would I have an arguement of my own? I am not qualified nor do I have the academic credentials to do that. I can only go off of the information that has been provided which is alot. You cannot claim you are a Ninja Master without providing any proof. Where is his proof? I don't see you providing proof or coming with a better argument. Besides it has already been stated the lineage is fabricated by their own membership. I dont need to debunk it because it was already admitted to me that it is. He's allegedly a Ninja Master prove it. Lol
Lol at someone named 'Karl Friday' confirming or denying a Japanese art.
Hasn’t he already made enough money by increasing the Dan system? 😂 perhaps the cost of living in Noda Chi has outstripped everything else…. 😢😢😢😢😢😂😂😂
The main problem bujinkan has is its 8 schools in 1. If every school demands a lifetime of study for true mastery, you need 8 lifetimes, hence the need for the expansion of the 10th Dan into 15. As a side note, the development of taijutsu in bujinkan creates a system of movement that allows one to fast track learning all modes of movement of every school. No other system of martial arts has this because no other is this vast.
There's no such thing as ninjutsu or taijutsu. The shinobi studied jiujitsu & kenjutsu, like everyone else. The only martial art specifically associated with the shinobi was fuudo-ryu, which isn't really a martial art at all; it's outdoor survival/evasion/concealment. You're training bujinkan nonsense in 2024? You're paying for martial arts themed cosplay & nothing more.
So you just picked different words for the same thing dude. In English we have multiple words for certain nouns and verbs, medieval Japanese is the same. Bujinkan is just samurai jujitsu with samurai jujitsu from a clan that practiced espionage.
@rodsquad5764 not a word you wrote is even remotely accurate
@@LIONTAMER3D Since you know nothing let me give you an education, Ninjutsu is espionage tactics while yes taught inside Bujinkan there is a minimal amount so it's not even important to focus on it other from a perspective of just doing medieval fitness routines from a point of historical preservation like kobudo or etc.
In Japan they even have dialects that other Japanese people can't understand so image* how that must of been hundreds of years ago so you failing to acknowledge Google-able facts is beyond immature. *imagine edit
@@rodsquad5764 you're so ignorant that it's a waste of time talking to you. have fun playing dress up & "practicing" a fictitious & ineffective "martial art" (it's just cosplay)
Bugei Ryūha Daijiten, 1969, page 537, Watatani & Yamada
戸隠流( 忍 ) Togakure-ryū (nin)
高松寿嗣が、大正後の忍術読物の流行を利用して新しく編成した
系譜である。戸田真竜軒の口伝による伝承という。戸田真竜軒( 一
心斎 )は明治十三年に七十三歳にて死去。高松はそれより四年後
の生誕。この系譜によれば、異匀という者より発し、養和年間の
白雲道士の白雲流より分かれ、甲賀・伊賀両流の忍術になり、百
地三太夫の系統を経て、紀州落名取流に入り、戸田信綱以降は戸
田氏に伝承したことになっている。しかし、その系譜は、諸伝の
資料や口伝を参照して、潤色を加えた点が多く、文献上実在の人
物も、実際より年代を古くしているなど、なかなか苦心の労作で
ある。
Takamatsu Toshitsugu ga, Taishō ato no ninjutsu yomimono no ryūkō wo riyō shite atarashiku hensei shita keifu de aru. Toda Shinryūken no kuden ni yoru denshō to iu. Toda Shinryūken (Isshinsai) wa Meiji-jūsan-nen (1880) ni 73-sai nite shikyo. Takamatsu wa sore yori yon-nen ato no seitan. Kono keifu ni yoreba, Ikai to iu mono yori hasshi, Yōwa-nenkan (1181) no Hakuun Dōshi no Hakuun-ryū yori wakare, Kōga - Iga ryō-ryū no ninjutsu ni nari, Momochi Sandayū no keitō wo hete, Kishū-han Natori-ryū ni hairi, Toda Nobutsuna ikō wa Toda-uji ni denshō shita koto ni natte iru. Shikashi, sono keifu wa, shoden no shiryō ya kuden wo sanshō shite, junshoku wo kuwaeta ten ga ōku, bunken jō jitsuzai no jinbutsu mo, jissai yori nendai wo furuku shite iru nado, nakanaka kushin no rōsaku de aru.
*The dates of Toda Shinryūken are considered wrong and corrected in the 1978 edition.
Thanks to Professor Peter Goldsbury for the English translation below.
This is a genealogy newly put together by Takamatsu Toshitsugu, who made use of (took advantage of) the popularity of written materials on ninjutsu after the Taishō era. The transmission is said to be based on oral teachings of Toda Shinryūken. Toda Shinryūken (Isshinsai) died in Meiji 13 at the age of 73. Takamatsu’s birth took place four years later. According to this lineage, the ryū originated with a person named Ikai, separated from Hakuun Dōshi of Hakuun-ryū in the Yōwa era, became the Kōga and Iga-ryū of ninjutsu, passed through the lineage of Momochi Sandayū, entered the Natori-ryū of Kishū domain, and from Toda Nobutsuna onwards came to be passed down by the Toda clan. However, this genealogy refers to a variety of traditions and oral teachings, there are many points where it has added embellishments, it has made people whose real existence is based on written records older than is actually the case, and so it is a product of very considerable labor."
"Dr. Hatsumi was asked many years ago to provide documentation of some of his lineage for admittance to the Kobudo Shinkokai, perhaps the most reliable of the major organizations of traditional Japanese martial arts, and according to Donn Draeger, in a conversation to me, he was not able to provide documentation which proved his lineage to their satisfaction. Thus, there are uncertain areas in Dr. Hatsumi's lineage."