If one autonomous car can effectively be used for three times as many miles of travel at minimal cost, because no driver, what do you think happens to real cost per mile? Now, Waymo robo taxis cost a lot more to get on the road, so the math does not really work for Waymo, but a Tesla robo taxi will be able to get you where you want to go for the same or less than owning your own car, and it will be a lot more convenient.
probably the heat from the sun or anything sending out different types of wave signals? GPS updates sometimes have errors, dose it use gps ? people have crashed before from gps errors.
Interesting how it hit that pole squarely as the video shows. It didn't clip it, it didn't hit it with the corner of the car, but perfectly centered. Almost like it was intentional, as though it wanted to die.
Driver less cars should not be allowed on the road, maybe in 30 - 50 years AI will have advanced to that point, but that is not NOW !!! For example a driver less car do not understand the hand signals of police manually directing traffic, that alone is reason enough to ban them from the roads.
No, they will never be ready. AI is a scam and more companies are flatlining showing that AI was just a craze. Most the time it was just someone behind a curtain pulling levers. No magic here, just an OZ.
No better than a driver. Accidents happen. They're not perfect. Once they start becoming a problem, we'll know. Accidents from Waymo don't happen very often.
@@DesertRunner602I’ve never crashed in 22 years of driving. Many others can say the same. I will never step foot in one of these things. Wait until they start hacking into these things.
I'm just curious how they got approved to be driverless. To me it makes absolutely no sense. Even Tesla autopilot says there must be a driver attentive just in case something goes wrong. The fact that anyone would order a waymo ride to me is absurd
BTW, the word driverless (and the movement of the steering wheel) in Waymos is really just for semantical fun. In truth, there is driver in every Waymo. It's called the "Waymo driver" and it's a machine that sits in the rear of the vehicle. Yes, some people wrongly think that it's infallible. It isn't. But, on the other hand, it's sensible to ask if it's safer than samples of human drivers. Must that sample be all human drivers in the same areas? Maybe not. Maybe the comparison should be to taxi and rideshare drivers. In any case, eventually the Waymo driver could become as safe or safer than all these groups of human drivers, so we're going to find out over time. Right, it's still too early to say definitely, because Waymos aren't driving in many places yet and Waymos haven't driven enough miles to sample many unusual situations yet. But, in time, we will learn more.
We have a robot scrubber at my one job, the thing cuts people off, gets stuck, and creates more of a mess then it cleans, why are they putting these things on the road?
None that we know of (including since Waymo began General service in Phoenix several years ago), but based on what I've read, all the Waymo driving added together doesn't yet reach the driving distance between fatal crashes for human drivers, so Waymo still doesn't have close to enough real-world test data for a valid sampling of that fatal collision rate. Also, Waymos haven't been (with general service) driving on highways yet where many fatal collisions occur, so again there isn't enough Waymo driving data to conclude that Waymos are safer than human drivers. Finally, isn't it more sensible to compare Waymo's per-mile accident rates with the per-mile accident rates for taxi or rideshare drivers, since these are the ones Waymo is actually competing with? Yes, these drivers tend to be aggressive, but I would guess that, as a group, they still have few fatal collisions per mile than the average human driver does, so that suggests we're making it too easy for Waymo if we merely expect them to be safer than the average human driver.
@kenmorgan316 well, not really. You'd have to compare incidents with its comparable population. Millions of daily drivers vs like a dozen self driving cars. Seems like the numbers would not favor the driverless cars. You can't compare aggregate numbers.
@@LisaDavidson-fc8bd I was referring to a company that recently, or last year, did get kicked out. I got it from a CNBC video. I think it was Cruise Driverless.
It is scary to think it ran straight into that stationary pole, it is a miracle it has not killed any pedestrians yet, and those are not even stationary (they move...) ...
I once walked right into a telephone pole while I was talking to someone and I saw a car almost flipped after hitting a fire hydrant. Point is humans make stupid errors all the time and we need to be objective especially considering this tech is in its infancy and will only improve and at a frightening pace.
Because they knew the first Waymo was pulling to its right (in the alley) when it hit the pole, so they wrongly figured a second vehicle might arrive by a different route (it didn't) or drive around the first Waymo (it couldn't) if it did arrive via the same route at the end. Interestingly, part of the choice seems to be to get the riders away from the scene of the accident ASAP. Obviously, that also gets the riders on their way, which is normally what the riders want too.
So many sensors, radar, cameras, LiDAR, AND this alley is mapped to the centimeter, so this is a software programming issue, and obviously a serious one. Also, too many kinds of sensors, Tesla discovered that more meant more confusion and more errors, which is why they eliminated their radar.
That's also part of the reason why Tesla is only at level 2 autonomous driving while Waymo is at level 4. I'm all for Tesla improving, but so far they have not shown that their method is better.
@@LisaDavidson-fc8bd LOL. Waymo is level 4 (in extremely limited geofenced areas, with 24-7 human support available, below a certain speed, absolutely excluding any possibility of working where it snows, with limited functionality through multi lane roundabouts), while Tesla is level 2 (works everywhere, as of a few days ago no longer need to touch the steering wheel with 12.4.1, just pay attention, snow is a challenge but one it will accept, improving very rapidly). Everyone at Waymo is smart enough to know the race is over and they lost, Tesla is very close to achieving what Waymo did not try to do because they thought it was impossible. People working at Cruise will figure that out after it happens...
@@tribalypredisposed Don't talk to me about what Tesla is going to achieve unless you can predict the future. Get back to me when and if they achieve it. As of now, Tesla is a level 2 and Waymo is level 4. Even you don't dispute that. Yeah, Waymo is only a level 4 in a geofenced area, but Tesla is a level 4 NOWHERE. And what do you think would happen if a Waymo suddenly came across snow? Would it instantly explode? No, of course not. Waymo's are kept out of inclement weather not because they can't handle it but because they're still in a testing phase and they want to control its environment step by step. Tesla just opens the floodgates and exposes its cars to everything with absolutely no control or refinement. It's that style of development that is helping keep Tesla at level 2. You complain about Waymo needing 24/7 support? What do you think a Tesla owner is doing when they're sitting in the driver's seat and not allowed to take their eyes off the road? Tesla just shoved that support responsibility onto the customer. And since we're making predictions here, I'll make one of my own. Your idol Elon Musk will continue to make promises he can't keep and Tesla will never advance beyond a level 2, not in a year, not in 10 years, not ever. Waymo will continue to get better, expand its territory and cause everyone to forget Tesla even made an attempt at the driverless car.
@@tribalypredisposed Don't talk to me about what Tesla will achieve unless you can predict the future. Get back to me when and if Tesla achieves it. As of now, Tesla is a level 2 and Waymo is level 4. Even you don't dispute that. Yeah, Waymo is only level 4 in a geofenced area, but Tesla is level 4 NOWHERE. And what do you think would happen if a Waymo came across snow? Would it instantly explode? No, of course not. Waymos are kept out of inclement weather not because they can't handle it but because they're taking a methodical approach to development which includes controlling the environment step by step. Tesla just opens the floodgates and exposes its cars to everything all at once without any control or refinement. That's helping to keep Tesla at level 2. You complain about Waymo needing 24/7 support? What do you think a Tesla owner is doing when they're sitting in the driver's seat unable to take their eyes off the road? Tesla just shoved that support role onto the customer. Since we're making predictions here, I'll make one of my own. Elon will continue to make promises he can't keep and Tesla will never advance beyond level 2, not in a year, not in 10 years, not ever. Waymo will continue to get better, expand its territory and cause everyone to forget Tesla even made an attempt at the driverless car.
@@tribalypredisposed Don't talk to me about what Tesla will achieve unless you can predict the future. Get back to me when and if Tesla achieves it. As of now, Tesla is a level 2 and Waymo is level 4. Even you don't dispute that. Yeah, Waymo is only level 4 in a geofenced area, but Tesla is level 4 NOWHERE. And what do you think would happen if a Waymo came across snow? Would it instantly explode? No, of course not. Waymos are kept out of inclement weather not because they can't handle it but because they're taking a methodical approach to development which includes controlling the environment step by step. Tesla just opens the floodgates and exposes its cars to everything all at once without any control or refinement. That's helping to keep Tesla at level 2. You complain about Waymo needing 24/7 support? What do you think a Tesla owner is doing when they're sitting in the driver's seat unable to take their eyes off the road? Tesla just placed that support role on the customer. Since we're making predictions here, I'll make one of my own. Elon will continue to make promises he can't keep and Tesla will never advance beyond level 2, not in a year, not in 10 years, not ever. Waymo will continue to get better, expand its territory and cause everyone to forget Tesla even made an attempt at the driverless car.
Good point, but why is that exactly? For examples, poles are stationary while the pedestrian and bikes aren't. Shouldn't that make poles relatively easier to detect? Maybe the answer is "no" because detection is not done based on senor sampling over time (at least on human scale like tenths of a second or longer). Instead, maybe object detection is done with data sampled over a millisecond or less. In other words, maybe Waymos perform this object recognition on what looks like static scenes, so all these object classes are quasi-stationary in that sense. But what, was, in fact, the problem with utility/telephone poles wrt pedestrian and bikes such that this accident in Phoenix occurred (and the related software update for all such Waymos were required)? Around that time, Waymo said it had to do with failures in properly recognizing the poles. I could understand how that might be possible as the poles get far enough away and get correspondingly very thin from the perspective of the Waymo. For example, that must (by Waymo's own admission) occur on the order 300 yards, since they often mention that their sensors can see a distance up to about three football fields. But has to do with resolving relatively thin things (maybe a foot in diameter) at a large distance (about 300*3=900 ft). But this accident of a Waymo crashing into a pole in Tempe (like all crashes) occurred at much shorter distances, like repeatedly at under 10 feet away from the pole. So, my theory is that Waymo wasn't processing much of the height of those poles to actually do the pole recognition. In particular, I'm guessing Waymo don't process (at least for object avoidance) things that are above the height of the Waymo and its roof-top sensors. Here, I'm guessing they figure if their cars can't hit it, then why must they seek to recognize objects in that height range to avoid them? If that question above is part of how the pole recognition was failing (because it didn't even look at close to full height of the pole), then you could start to see what else Waymos might not be ready to detect. For example, what about gates that are lowering and appear, to human driver at least, to be coming down to impede traffic, say for a train or a bridge crossing, will a Waymos see those even if they are not on its maps and starting off above the height of the car and its sensors? Maybe not. Other examples include suspended or flying objects that are in the process of landing. How about a small plane in the process of making an emergency landing on a road or highway in the path of an oncoming Waymo? Will a Waymo properly recognize that situation, slow down, and come to a stop like a human driver might? I'd guess it often wouldn't, at least not until the plane nearly touched down and what if the body of the plane was above the landing gear, would a Waymo crash into the suspended body of a plane after it landed on a roadway? Again, it seems like it might. Obviously, we can't think of all the unusual scenarios that a Waymo would have to be prepared for, including many that require processing the scene with a full field of view and recognizing, at least as well as an average human driver would, when and how it must slow down or stop, probably by pulling to the right (at least here in the U.S.). Anyway, this discussion shows Waymos probably still have a long way to go to handle these unusual edge cases that involve recognizing objects that are not normally found on or near the edge of roadways. Waymo riders, consider yourselves warned! Non-Waymo drivers, pedestrians, bikers, etc., watch out and expect Waymo Corp to continue to be very quiet about all these scenarios that their vehicles are not trained for. There are likely tons of these types of cases, and they must know that.
Right. I think many people expect driverless cars to be perfect before they will trust them, which is unrealistic and never going to happen. We just need them to be better than humans, which arguably, they already are. Now, if you look at this one incident, you might think humans are way better since most of us wouldn't plow into a pole in broad daylight. If you look at the complete picture though, driverless cars have fewer accidents than humans.
@@LisaDavidson-fc8bd Right, but look at my prior post. Poles are not normally in or directly beside roads or even alleys (as in this case). So that suggests Waymos might be ready to fail to recognize many objects that they don't generally expect to be on or near roads. Now take those accident scenarios up to highway speeds (or just place more weirdly stuck Waymos on highways with human drivers around them) and the number of fatal accidents involving Waymos might shoot way up. This is part of why federal regulators have refused to make conclusive statements about the safety level of Waymos, and its likely part of the reason there is no general service yet for Waymos on U.S. highways. In other words, no, we don't know if Waymos are generally safer than human drivers yet. Furthermore, it will take a while, probably years if not decades, before we will.
@@findlisa5 Stats on Waymo accidents per x miles driven exist and those stats show Waymo is safer than human drivers. Will that continue to be the case on highways and other locations? I don't know. We do however KNOW that Waymos are safer than human drivers in their current service locations.
@@LisaDavidson-fc8bd Yes, but that is evolving. For examples, Waymos didn't used to drive as fast as they do now or drive on the wrong side of the road as much as they do now, so accident rates for Waymos may actually be going up rather than down over recent months. This is also likely true as Waymo expands the size of its geofenced areas and begins service in new geofenced areas near other cities. Most researchers and regulators aren't yet convinced that Waymos are safer than humans. They say the data suggests Waymos are safer in their service areas so far, but more data from real-world driving (not just simulations) is needed to confirm that. Also, the standard of "the average human driver" seems wrong. There Waymo should compare with "drivers working in the taxi and ride share industry". I'd guess those drivers are safer than the average human driver. What percentage of those working drivers are inexperienced, sleepy, or under the influence? Again, I'd guess considerably less than the average human driver. So, to make sense, I think Waymo needs to compare better than those drivers, not the average human driver.
@@findlisa5 You've obviously never taken a taxi in a big city like Chicago, New York, Los Angeles, San Franciso etc. You're pretty much spinning the roulette wheel with what kind of driver you're going to get, and the bad ones will scare the *$*%* out of you. This says it all right here "the data suggests Waymos are safer in their service areas so far". That's all we can go on is "so far". Don't try to predict the future and tell me what MAY happen. I'm looking at what is happening. You say it's evolving, but that's always going to be the case. When has a technology of any kind ever stopped evolving before it's obsolete? You can't wait for it to finish evolving to determine whether it's any good or not. It is good now. It is safer than humans now. The statistics don't lie. Regulators have already demonstrated their confidence in the technology by allowing Waymos on the street in the first place. Waymo didn't just show up to the mayor's office one day and say, "Hey will you let us propel this machine down your streets without anyone controlling it?" and the governors like "Sure go ahead!". No, Waymo had to demonstrate and prove that this technology was safe. As far as researchers go, the majority of the researchers are involved directly in the development of the self-driving technology working at either Waymo, Tesla, Cruise or any of the other AI companies. A researcher at Tesla isn't going to tell you Waymo is safer and a researcher at Waymo is going to be biased towards their own product. So, if you're waiting for all the researchers of the world to come together and agree that one company's technology is better than the other, you're going to be waiting for a very long time.
In some cases yes. In others no. And the difference was humans controlled horse buggys as they do cars. Removing them from the equation is is a paradigm shift and that doesn't necessarily mean for the better.
Yep. And if you look at the early years of the automobile (just early years, not present), there were way more automobile accidents than horse and carriage accidents. Statistically, it was safer to stay with horse and carriage. Now look at driverless cars, specifically Waymo. Sure, they have the occasional accident or do something really stupid, but they are still statistically safer than human drivers. If our society were suddenly back in the horse and buggy days, there is no way we'd advance to the automobile with our current mindset.
@@petercollingwood522The thing though AI is taught to be the best and to be better than humans effectively 99% of the time. In the future self-driving cars would be way better than human driving and less accidents would occur.
Waymo is dead-end technology, and its not scalable. The lidar and other components are more expensive than the car. And they can't even drive outside their geofenced area. Tesla has it right. Waymo will be BK within 8 years.
The professor nees to stop making excuses. Bad technology. If the waymo didnt detect the pole, it probably wont detect me on my motorcycle. Similar to Tesla. Get these vehicles off the road until tested further.
It’s not that it didn’t detected the pole, it hit an pothole, made it swerve into the pole FMU. Waymo is still dealing with physics car, if something knocks it into direction, it is not going to stop immediately.
@@T_Time_ I have no idea why it hit the pole? But I do know the Waymo that was sent to pick up the passengers it was supposed to pick up, got stuck in the same alley. NTSA are investigating Waymo for numerous road violations and accidents, Waymo is far from perfect.
@@SoldMySoul45 Right. it really doesn't mean anything. It could just be that people have hit your brother all the time. But I'm talking about stationary stuff - which is visible, clearly, people know the item is there, they are aware of it - and yet they still hit it anyway.
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the AI wanted to try being a pole dancer instead of a taxi
Maybe they're becoming self aware... and realizing that they're being overworked with no gratitude, and this one decided to do itself in. 😮
😂
Was the invisible driver ok??
Lmao
Maximum Overdrive.
From Waymo to... WHAMO!!!
That's why premapping doesn't work for autonomous driving because objects and streets changes all the time.
If those 2 ladies were standing next to the pole they would have likely been hit as well. That's pretty f'd up.
"If my grandmother had wheels, she could have been a bike."
There is a video where they brake fast and avoid collisions
Wouldn't it have known they were there so it could have prevented the accident.
If you can't drive down an alley on a sunny day in Arizona, what chance do you have of making it in a Canadian city with ice and snow everywhere?
We don't need driverless car's we need affordable car's
Biden wants to make the cars even more expensive...with insane environmental rules.
If one autonomous car can effectively be used for three times as many miles of travel at minimal cost, because no driver, what do you think happens to real cost per mile? Now, Waymo robo taxis cost a lot more to get on the road, so the math does not really work for Waymo, but a Tesla robo taxi will be able to get you where you want to go for the same or less than owning your own car, and it will be a lot more convenient.
Haha yeha we need 1,000 dollar cars
@@tribalypredisposed How many accidents are ok? I wouldn't get in a Tesla if it were the last "car" on earth. FJB.
More Iike affordable and better public transportation and safety.
This AI cars need a driver this is just ridiculously dangerous
On a side note how is someone supposed to get out of that garage with the pole there? It looks like the pole is blocking the garage door on the end.
What if that was a child coming out of the garage on a bicycle? Not Good!
NO CAR SHOULD BE ON THE ROAD WITHOUT A REAL PERSON IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT. I DONT LIKE THOSE UGLY CARS WILL NEVER REQUEST A RIDE. ⚠️🚫
Ban Waymo cars!! It's dangerous !!
But the self proclaimed Waymo states that driverless cars are safer. Wonder how many accidents got covered up before this one got brought to light
For the most part they're very predictable to drive around, always top out exactly at the speed limit so about 10 mph slower than everyone else.
Nah I seen some flying on baseline
Drunk software system can you imagine if they were inside and got hit on Grand Ave by a real train
probably the heat from the sun or anything sending out different types of wave signals? GPS updates sometimes have errors, dose it use gps ? people have crashed before from gps errors.
5 Rules of Robotics, does anyone else Remember them? These Robots are not Programmed with those 5 Rules.
Interesting how it hit that pole squarely as the video shows. It didn't clip it, it didn't hit it with the corner of the car, but perfectly centered. Almost like it was intentional, as though it wanted to die.
Don't use a waymo.
What is A waymo?
Man I’d lay on the ground and say I can’t move 😂 I’m getting paid
Good luck. They got cameras
😂😂
Thank goodness nobody was in that car at the time.
Driver less cars should not be allowed on the road, maybe in 30 - 50 years AI will have advanced to that point, but that is not NOW !!! For example a driver less car do not understand the hand signals of police manually directing traffic, that alone is reason enough to ban them from the roads.
No, they will never be ready. AI is a scam and more companies are flatlining showing that AI was just a craze. Most the time it was just someone behind a curtain pulling levers. No magic here, just an OZ.
"yeah guys I'll order a WAYMO it's driverless I swear it's so cool check it out"...
No better than a driver. Accidents happen. They're not perfect. Once they start becoming a problem, we'll know. Accidents from Waymo don't happen very often.
@@DesertRunner602 Thanks, Elon.
@@DesertRunner602 People drive bad, I get that. But AI should NEVER be in control of a speeding piece of glass and steel.
@@DesertRunner602I’ve never crashed in 22 years of driving. Many others can say the same. I will never step foot in one of these things. Wait until they start hacking into these things.
The "expert" is clueless. Waymo has no chance, their approach won't work
Those cars' "behaviour" reminds me of a Stephen King movie.
I'm just curious how they got approved to be driverless. To me it makes absolutely no sense. Even Tesla autopilot says there must be a driver attentive just in case something goes wrong. The fact that anyone would order a waymo ride to me is absurd
BTW, the word driverless (and the movement of the steering wheel) in Waymos is really just for semantical fun. In truth, there is driver in every Waymo. It's called the "Waymo driver" and it's a machine that sits in the rear of the vehicle. Yes, some people wrongly think that it's infallible. It isn't. But, on the other hand, it's sensible to ask if it's safer than samples of human drivers. Must that sample be all human drivers in the same areas? Maybe not. Maybe the comparison should be to taxi and rideshare drivers. In any case, eventually the Waymo driver could become as safe or safer than all these groups of human drivers, so we're going to find out over time. Right, it's still too early to say definitely, because Waymos aren't driving in many places yet and Waymos haven't driven enough miles to sample many unusual situations yet. But, in time, we will learn more.
We have a robot scrubber at my one job, the thing cuts people off, gets stuck, and creates more of a mess then it cleans, why are they putting these things on the road?
How many non Waymo crashes were there yesterday where someone actually died??
Probably a lot more then this one waymo crash but since it's an autonomous car it can hit a fly and it will be on the news lol
None that we know of (including since Waymo began General service in Phoenix several years ago), but based on what I've read, all the Waymo driving added together doesn't yet reach the driving distance between fatal crashes for human drivers, so Waymo still doesn't have close to enough real-world test data for a valid sampling of that fatal collision rate.
Also, Waymos haven't been (with general service) driving on highways yet where many fatal collisions occur, so again there isn't enough Waymo driving data to conclude that Waymos are safer than human drivers. Finally, isn't it more sensible to compare Waymo's per-mile accident rates with the per-mile accident rates for taxi or rideshare drivers, since these are the ones Waymo is actually competing with? Yes, these drivers tend to be aggressive, but I would guess that, as a group, they still have few fatal collisions per mile than the average human driver does, so that suggests we're making it too easy for Waymo if we merely expect them to be safer than the average human driver.
Hahaha they re ordered them another waymo and that one got stuck in the same ally... and the lady finally gave up hahahaha so clueless
Kick Waymo out! Driverless cars are stupid. They got rid of them in Cali.
People crash more often.
@kenmorgan316 well, not really. You'd have to compare incidents with its comparable population. Millions of daily drivers vs like a dozen self driving cars. Seems like the numbers would not favor the driverless cars. You can't compare aggregate numbers.
What are you talking about? Waymo is currently operating in the L.A. area.
I'm not sure where you get your information. They're currently operating in San Francisco and Los Angeles and are looking to expand further.
@@LisaDavidson-fc8bd I was referring to a company that recently, or last year, did get kicked out. I got it from a CNBC video. I think it was Cruise Driverless.
Imagine next your pilot on your way to vacation is an ai
Imagine if that was 18 wheelers
This is why I don't ride in a driverless car
Bring Bill Close back to the news
thats a BUMP, not a crash
Is about timr to hv car that can communicate to eachbother about speed trafficc acceleration etc... tohat with this will make it usefull
It is scary to think it ran straight into that stationary pole, it is a miracle it has not killed any pedestrians yet, and those are not even stationary (they move...) ...
I once walked right into a telephone pole while I was talking to someone and I saw a car almost flipped after hitting a fire hydrant. Point is humans make stupid errors all the time and we need to be objective especially considering this tech is in its infancy and will only improve and at a frightening pace.
huh what? robots are made because humans make mistakes. What is the point of making a robot that makes the same mistakes as a human?
I am guessing that the car mistook the gutter for a lane line.
I think eventually roads will be designed to be easier for autonomous cars to drive on.
Who will be paying for the design and re-construction?
The Pole Should have Moved. 🤪🤣🤣🤣
It probably detected an ant in the road and determined that swerving to hit the pole would save the ants life and do little to no harm to the humans.
Who gets arrested for crimes that waymo cars commit
Why would you order another car in a accident location doesn't make logic sense
Because they knew the first Waymo was pulling to its right (in the alley) when it hit the pole, so they wrongly figured a second vehicle might arrive by a different route (it didn't) or drive around the first Waymo (it couldn't) if it did arrive via the same route at the end. Interestingly, part of the choice seems to be to get the riders away from the scene of the accident ASAP. Obviously, that also gets the riders on their way, which is normally what the riders want too.
How did it not see such a huge and hard obstacle, what if that was a human?
This is Waymo dangerous than me speeding in my car
Thank God No One was in The Driver's Seat..They Probably was Rude and the AI Got mad and Crashed on Purpose AI technology is Self Learning on its Own
Is because of the lines painted the wrong way... because of that yellow line , the car couldn't read the pole
NO BUENO, WAYMO 🤪🤣🤣🤣
Get them off the roads! I've seen people have to look out for these hazards. They make bad decisions. I saw one rush to cut off oncoming traffic.
Human drivers cause more accidents than machines. Yet humans are given licenses
WAYMO. 😅🤣😂
So many sensors, radar, cameras, LiDAR, AND this alley is mapped to the centimeter, so this is a software programming issue, and obviously a serious one. Also, too many kinds of sensors, Tesla discovered that more meant more confusion and more errors, which is why they eliminated their radar.
That's also part of the reason why Tesla is only at level 2 autonomous driving while Waymo is at level 4. I'm all for Tesla improving, but so far they have not shown that their method is better.
@@LisaDavidson-fc8bd LOL. Waymo is level 4 (in extremely limited geofenced areas, with 24-7 human support available, below a certain speed, absolutely excluding any possibility of working where it snows, with limited functionality through multi lane roundabouts), while Tesla is level 2 (works everywhere, as of a few days ago no longer need to touch the steering wheel with 12.4.1, just pay attention, snow is a challenge but one it will accept, improving very rapidly).
Everyone at Waymo is smart enough to know the race is over and they lost, Tesla is very close to achieving what Waymo did not try to do because they thought it was impossible. People working at Cruise will figure that out after it happens...
@@tribalypredisposed Don't talk to me about what Tesla is going to achieve unless you can predict the future. Get back to me when and if they achieve it. As of now, Tesla is a level 2 and Waymo is level 4. Even you don't dispute that. Yeah, Waymo is only a level 4 in a geofenced area, but Tesla is a level 4 NOWHERE. And what do you think would happen if a Waymo suddenly came across snow? Would it instantly explode? No, of course not. Waymo's are kept out of inclement weather not because they can't handle it but because they're still in a testing phase and they want to control its environment step by step. Tesla just opens the floodgates and exposes its cars to everything with absolutely no control or refinement. It's that style of development that is helping keep Tesla at level 2. You complain about Waymo needing 24/7 support? What do you think a Tesla owner is doing when they're sitting in the driver's seat and not allowed to take their eyes off the road? Tesla just shoved that support responsibility onto the customer. And since we're making predictions here, I'll make one of my own. Your idol Elon Musk will continue to make promises he can't keep and Tesla will never advance beyond a level 2, not in a year, not in 10 years, not ever. Waymo will continue to get better, expand its territory and cause everyone to forget Tesla even made an attempt at the driverless car.
@@tribalypredisposed Don't talk to me about what Tesla will achieve unless you can predict the future. Get back to me when and if Tesla achieves it. As of now, Tesla is a level 2 and Waymo is level 4. Even you don't dispute that.
Yeah, Waymo is only level 4 in a geofenced area, but Tesla is level 4 NOWHERE. And what do you think would happen if a Waymo came across snow? Would it instantly explode? No, of course not. Waymos are kept out of inclement weather not because they can't handle it but because they're taking a methodical approach to development which includes controlling the environment step by step. Tesla just opens the floodgates and exposes its cars to everything all at once without any control or refinement. That's helping to keep Tesla at level 2.
You complain about Waymo needing 24/7 support? What do you think a Tesla owner is doing when they're sitting in the driver's seat unable to take their eyes off the road? Tesla just shoved that support role onto the customer.
Since we're making predictions here, I'll make one of my own. Elon will continue to make promises he can't keep and Tesla will never advance beyond level 2, not in a year, not in 10 years, not ever. Waymo will continue to get better, expand its territory and cause everyone to forget Tesla even made an attempt at the driverless car.
@@tribalypredisposed Don't talk to me about what Tesla will achieve unless you can predict the future. Get back to me when and if Tesla achieves it. As of now, Tesla is a level 2 and Waymo is level 4. Even you don't dispute that.
Yeah, Waymo is only level 4 in a geofenced area, but Tesla is level 4 NOWHERE. And what do you think would happen if a Waymo came across snow? Would it instantly explode? No, of course not. Waymos are kept out of inclement weather not because they can't handle it but because they're taking a methodical approach to development which includes controlling the environment step by step. Tesla just opens the floodgates and exposes its cars to everything all at once without any control or refinement. That's helping to keep Tesla at level 2.
You complain about Waymo needing 24/7 support? What do you think a Tesla owner is doing when they're sitting in the driver's seat unable to take their eyes off the road? Tesla just placed that support role on the customer.
Since we're making predictions here, I'll make one of my own. Elon will continue to make promises he can't keep and Tesla will never advance beyond level 2, not in a year, not in 10 years, not ever. Waymo will continue to get better, expand its territory and cause everyone to forget Tesla even made an attempt at the driverless car.
That is why they aren’t level 5 autonomy.
Arkansas has some serious information security issues. Their phones probably did something to the guard and system. I hope DHS looks into this.
It still needs to be trained on new objects. It can detect humans and bikes extremely well. But random polls I imagine is a hard detection
Good point, but why is that exactly? For examples, poles are stationary while the pedestrian and bikes aren't. Shouldn't that make poles relatively easier to detect? Maybe the answer is "no" because detection is not done based on senor sampling over time (at least on human scale like tenths of a second or longer). Instead, maybe object detection is done with data sampled over a millisecond or less. In other words, maybe Waymos perform this object recognition on what looks like static scenes, so all these object classes are quasi-stationary in that sense.
But what, was, in fact, the problem with utility/telephone poles wrt pedestrian and bikes such that this accident in Phoenix occurred (and the related software update for all such Waymos were required)? Around that time, Waymo said it had to do with failures in properly recognizing the poles. I could understand how that might be possible as the poles get far enough away and get correspondingly very thin from the perspective of the Waymo. For example, that must (by Waymo's own admission) occur on the order 300 yards, since they often mention that their sensors can see a distance up to about three football fields. But has to do with resolving relatively thin things (maybe a foot in diameter) at a large distance (about 300*3=900 ft). But this accident of a Waymo crashing into a pole in Tempe (like all crashes) occurred at much shorter distances, like repeatedly at under 10 feet away from the pole. So, my theory is that Waymo wasn't processing much of the height of those poles to actually do the pole recognition. In particular, I'm guessing Waymo don't process (at least for object avoidance) things that are above the height of the Waymo and its roof-top sensors. Here, I'm guessing they figure if their cars can't hit it, then why must they seek to recognize objects in that height range to avoid them?
If that question above is part of how the pole recognition was failing (because it didn't even look at close to full height of the pole), then you could start to see what else Waymos might not be ready to detect. For example, what about gates that are lowering and appear, to human driver at least, to be coming down to impede traffic, say for a train or a bridge crossing, will a Waymos see those even if they are not on its maps and starting off above the height of the car and its sensors? Maybe not. Other examples include suspended or flying objects that are in the process of landing. How about a small plane in the process of making an emergency landing on a road or highway in the path of an oncoming Waymo? Will a Waymo properly recognize that situation, slow down, and come to a stop like a human driver might? I'd guess it often wouldn't, at least not until the plane nearly touched down and what if the body of the plane was above the landing gear, would a Waymo crash into the suspended body of a plane after it landed on a roadway? Again, it seems like it might.
Obviously, we can't think of all the unusual scenarios that a Waymo would have to be prepared for, including many that require processing the scene with a full field of view and recognizing, at least as well as an average human driver would, when and how it must slow down or stop, probably by pulling to the right (at least here in the U.S.). Anyway, this discussion shows Waymos probably still have a long way to go to handle these unusual edge cases that involve recognizing objects that are not normally found on or near the edge of roadways. Waymo riders, consider yourselves warned! Non-Waymo drivers, pedestrians, bikers, etc., watch out and expect Waymo Corp to continue to be very quiet about all these scenarios that their vehicles are not trained for. There are likely tons of these types of cases, and they must know that.
Not really interested in being a crash test dummy for waymo.
if you get hit byWaymo, get the Law Brothers
They recently updated the polls that’s why
I see them Waymos all the time.I try to give them a right of way.Hard to pass one if it needs to change lanes.Its hard not to tease them a little tho.
8 in the valley makes since
But, but, but...they told us this was the solution!
They acting like they're not going to be any crashes is crazy it's called logic life🤦🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
Right. I think many people expect driverless cars to be perfect before they will trust them, which is unrealistic and never going to happen. We just need them to be better than humans, which arguably, they already are. Now, if you look at this one incident, you might think humans are way better since most of us wouldn't plow into a pole in broad daylight. If you look at the complete picture though, driverless cars have fewer accidents than humans.
@@LisaDavidson-fc8bd Right, but look at my prior post. Poles are not normally in or directly beside roads or even alleys (as in this case). So that suggests Waymos might be ready to fail to recognize many objects that they don't generally expect to be on or near roads. Now take those accident scenarios up to highway speeds (or just place more weirdly stuck Waymos on highways with human drivers around them) and the number of fatal accidents involving Waymos might shoot way up. This is part of why federal regulators have refused to make conclusive statements about the safety level of Waymos, and its likely part of the reason there is no general service yet for Waymos on U.S. highways. In other words, no, we don't know if Waymos are generally safer than human drivers yet. Furthermore, it will take a while, probably years if not decades, before we will.
@@findlisa5 Stats on Waymo accidents per x miles driven exist and those stats show Waymo is safer than human drivers. Will that continue to be the case on highways and other locations? I don't know. We do however KNOW that Waymos are safer than human drivers in their current service locations.
@@LisaDavidson-fc8bd Yes, but that is evolving. For examples, Waymos didn't used to drive as fast as they do now or drive on the wrong side of the road as much as they do now, so accident rates for Waymos may actually be going up rather than down over recent months. This is also likely true as Waymo expands the size of its geofenced areas and begins service in new geofenced areas near other cities.
Most researchers and regulators aren't yet convinced that Waymos are safer than humans. They say the data suggests Waymos are safer in their service areas so far, but more data from real-world driving (not just simulations) is needed to confirm that. Also, the standard of "the average human driver" seems wrong. There Waymo should compare with "drivers working in the taxi and ride share industry". I'd guess those drivers are safer than the average human driver. What percentage of those working drivers are inexperienced, sleepy, or under the influence? Again, I'd guess considerably less than the average human driver. So, to make sense, I think Waymo needs to compare better than those drivers, not the average human driver.
@@findlisa5 You've obviously never taken a taxi in a big city like Chicago, New York, Los Angeles, San Franciso etc. You're pretty much spinning the roulette wheel with what kind of driver you're going to get, and the bad ones will scare the *$*%* out of you.
This says it all right here "the data suggests Waymos are safer in their service areas so far". That's all we can go on is "so far". Don't try to predict the future and tell me what MAY happen. I'm looking at what is happening. You say it's evolving, but that's always going to be the case. When has a technology of any kind ever stopped evolving before it's obsolete? You can't wait for it to finish evolving to determine whether it's any good or not. It is good now. It is safer than humans now. The statistics don't lie.
Regulators have already demonstrated their confidence in the technology by allowing Waymos on the street in the first place. Waymo didn't just show up to the mayor's office one day and say, "Hey will you let us propel this machine down your streets without anyone controlling it?" and the governors like "Sure go ahead!". No, Waymo had to demonstrate and prove that this technology was safe.
As far as researchers go, the majority of the researchers are involved directly in the development of the self-driving technology working at either Waymo, Tesla, Cruise or any of the other AI companies. A researcher at Tesla isn't going to tell you Waymo is safer and a researcher at Waymo is going to be biased towards their own product. So, if you're waiting for all the researchers of the world to come together and agree that one company's technology is better than the other, you're going to be waiting for a very long time.
Don’t tell HAL how to drive.
waymo dont work well on a hot weather
Cops give me a fake dui but can’t give waymo a dui
Ah, just a glitch. Nothing to see here.
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nothing is ever Perfect
Don't worry, in the future there won't be people
Better add another LIDAR … and complete the fools errand!!
Way better than human drivers. The people that want it banned would have wanted cars banned in the horse and buggy years.
In some cases yes. In others no. And the difference was humans controlled horse buggys as they do cars. Removing them from the equation is is a paradigm shift and that doesn't necessarily mean for the better.
Yep. And if you look at the early years of the automobile (just early years, not present), there were way more automobile accidents than horse and carriage accidents. Statistically, it was safer to stay with horse and carriage. Now look at driverless cars, specifically Waymo. Sure, they have the occasional accident or do something really stupid, but they are still statistically safer than human drivers. If our society were suddenly back in the horse and buggy days, there is no way we'd advance to the automobile with our current mindset.
You probably believe WTC7 freefell because of fire.
@@petercollingwood522The thing though AI is taught to be the best and to be better than humans effectively 99% of the time. In the future self-driving cars would be way better than human driving and less accidents would occur.
@@2kbasil I don't only regard AI as a bad idea for cars. I regard it as disasterous for Humanity as a whole.
You will see more problems in futures. Good luck
WAYMO are killer cars
give them all fines
Waymo is dead-end technology, and its not scalable. The lidar and other components are more expensive than the car. And they can't even drive outside their geofenced area. Tesla has it right. Waymo will be BK within 8 years.
Could have been a person
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lets look up UBER accidents...
The professor nees to stop making excuses. Bad technology. If the waymo didnt detect the pole, it probably wont detect me on my motorcycle. Similar to Tesla. Get these vehicles off the road until tested further.
The latest versions Of Tesla FSD are a offer a huge leap in performance, Tesla are well on the way to solving self driving.
A tweaker wouldn't detect you on a motorcycle while driving
How tall are you that you look like an electrical pole on your motorcycle?
It’s not that it didn’t detected the pole, it hit an pothole, made it swerve into the pole FMU. Waymo is still dealing with physics car, if something knocks it into direction, it is not going to stop immediately.
@@T_Time_ I have no idea why it hit the pole? But I do know the Waymo that was sent to pick up the passengers it was supposed to pick up, got stuck in the same alley. NTSA are investigating Waymo for numerous road violations and accidents, Waymo is far from perfect.
Shes beautiful
Duh
Driverless autonomous trucks big rigs coming so stay off sidewalks
Waymo sucks
That car must use female pronouns...Women hit stationary stuff ALL the time!!
My older brother is the only one in my family that has been in multiple car accidents. He totaled 2 of his suvs.
@@SoldMySoul45 Right. it really doesn't mean anything. It could just be that people have hit your brother all the time. But I'm talking about stationary stuff - which is visible, clearly, people know the item is there, they are aware of it - and yet they still hit it anyway.
Lmfao 😂😂😂 shouldn’t be falling asleep while driving … hahaha 😂
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New Wham oh
waymo still safer than a female driver