SDA is Contradictory to the Christian Faith
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- Опубликовано: 24 июн 2024
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Further leaning into the clickbait 😅 I will have to check out your work with other people and see if you are always so dubious.
What is your agenda?
TRUTH
I’m beginning to wonder. I really like the Perry’s. It seems a bit excessive and obsessive
Pastor Ivor Myers had posted on your previous post that he would love to come to a sit down with you guys. We look forward to him coming to join you, and to have the opportunity to see him share the truth about our beliefs with you.
Why do you need to have a “Ex” member along a current SDA pastor on at the same time. This was NEVER the case for ANY OTHER Religious apologists that you disagreed with…so my question is what spirit is this of ?
I agree. But the point is that it is not the proper way to have a full discussion. You need both sides, otherwise one side is just saying what they want and you take it as absolute truth. You need both perspectives and then you make a decision. That is basic critical thinking practice. Also, if this has been the format for other denominations when they have done it, then I am sorry, then that is wrong.
@@SC-mw1ue I definitely agree with that statement, and I have made mention of that as well. Sadly, it was like that for the podcasts in the past, just having those of whom they did not agree with about religion/faith but wanted to bring awareness to the differences of understanding on their podcast without the humiliation of being targeted by “ex-members”. There was no “ex” member there to challenge anything, just the Perry’s I guess being that “other” side of the argument. However, when it came to discussing SDA, the Perry’s did not know a lot of information on SDA. Yet, even with little knowledge, the approach shouldn’t be giving a former Adventist with malcontent bias such a large platform to spew misinformation, on many occasions. They should have sought out and waited for someone with current experience of being an active member of SDA to have discourse with. This isn’t the first time they have referenced or included this particular ex-Adventist in order to be the spokesperson for Adventism. So, while I definitely agree that both sides should have the chance to communicate their positions (that way you as a viewer can come to your own conclusions after biblical study), I believe, the position of the “former Adventist who believes that Adventism is a cult and full of lies” has been thoroughly exhausted and expressed. This is a time where “pro-Adventists” or simply just current Adventist leaders for the church should be given the same due respect and size-able platform to defend and accurately explain the meanings and teachings of all claims and concerns made known. If after given such a chance, both parties would like to conduct a conversation that is 1) respectful. 2) properly moderated without bias. And 3) with the first and foremost mindset of aiming to bear fruit within each other under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, then a complete discourse would be greatly encouraged.
But after having not only discussing but ridiculing the SDA faith, I personally believe it is only fair that the Perry’s have a conversation with a current SDA pastor/apologist who would be able to basically commit to a biblical study examining our fundamental beliefs, who EGW truly is through her own work as well as the work of others, the measures taken to ensure than we remain fully to biblical doctrine and etc.
Give the current SDA member the same energy. 🙏🏾💯
We just need to realize this is setting is up for persecution we need to continue our work everyone will know who we are and hate us
Unfortunately, many SDA leaders have been shown to be dishonest. 🤷♀️
@@CAmom75 they can do a Bible study themselves “is obedience legalism”- by amazing facts
I ignored your first video but l can’t believe you continue to post such things.God is a God of peace and if you are truly of God you will find a very proper way of conducting this discussion without ruining the reputation of SDA until you have your facts straight so kindly change your titles or delete these posts.
Sis do a fact check video on what they said. Everything that was described on that pod comes from EGWs writings.
Im more upset that SDA doctrine thinks Jesus is not the eternal God.
@@nathanielotu4189 This is incorrect. Many people take her writings, use them out of context, twist them out of historical context, and twist her words. Thunder is and has been for some years, one of those people.
@@JustJeff777 sorry friend. I watched a livestream covering everything that was said (answering adventism). All the doctrines discussed have a primary source (EGW writings). I saw and read enough to know the context. I am confident that God has given all those that believe an ability to discern truth according to the scriptures.
Unfortunately EGW believes her writings are to help supplement your understanding of the scriptures, and many SDA knowingly and unknowingly submit to her interpretation.
I wish someone would actually address the claims made instead of just saying they’re lying.
Growing up SDA my entire life this is upsetting I'm ngl why are SDA getting so much hate???
Yes, but this is how I look at it. They can lie, misrepresent, name call, and slander, but that will never change my reality: Jesus Christ is the eternal God part of the Trinity, Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savoir, I am saved and justified by faith in Christ atoning blood, I am sanctified by the Spirit, the Bible and the Bible only is my rule of faith by which every doctrine and individual is tested including Ellen White, God's moral law has never changed, the seventh day Sabbath is validated by the full authority of the scriptures, there is a Judgement before the second coming in which God will judge every work "with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil", humans are not immortal and the righteous will receive immortality at the second coming, the righteous dead are sleeping in their graves awaiting the resurrection at Christ second coming, and daily I must "grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ". This is what makes me a Seventh Day Adventist.
Because they teach a different gospel. Scapegoat theory and investigative judgment are heresy from the true Gospel. Paul says if a person or an angel preach a different gospel, let them be accursed. It is literally a false religion that uses Christian termology. The founder ellen g white was a false prophet that spoke wild theories that are not grounded in scripture.
I honestly don’t know why they hate on us. We believe in sola scriptura and we do as the Bible tells us. Only major difference from other denominations is that we go to church on Saturday as we believe that is the true Sabbath. But hey let them hate I guess
@@locobielsa8646 Here is how I have decided to look at it. They can lie, misrepresent, name call, and slander, but that will never change my reality: Jesus Christ is the eternal God part of the Trinity, Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior, I am saved and justified by faith in Christ atoning blood, I am sanctified by the Spirit, the Bible and the Bible only is my rule of faith by which every doctrine and individual is tested including Ellen White, God's moral law has never changed, the seventh day Sabbath is validated by the full authority of the scriptures, there is a Judgment before the second coming in which God will judge every work "with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil", humans are not immortal and the righteous will receive immortality at the second coming, the righteous dead are sleeping in their graves awaiting the resurrection at Christ second coming, and daily I must "grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ". This is what makes me a Seventh Day Adventist.
I'm new here, but something seems off to me. The approach is like inviting an atheist to explain Christianity, but only allowing a Pastor to come on if the atheist is present.
100%
thats exactly what it is...
SDA CHURCH MY HUSBAND TOLD ME DON’T FORGET EVEN PAUL TURNED AWAY FROM KILLING CHRISTIAN’S !!! He THOUGHT HE WAS DOING THE WILL OF GOD UNTIL JESUS CAME. GOD MIGHT BE WORKING ON THESE TWO.
Rev. Elcé-Junior Lauriston ("Thunder")
is a contributing author of the best-selling book "Urban Apologetics: Cults ," edited by Dr. Eric Mason and published by Zondervan Publishers..
Rev. Elcé-Junior Lauriston He was born on Turtle Island, Haiti; raised in Grand Bahama, the Bahamas; and now resides in Montego Bay, Jamaica.
He's a former SDA evangelist and top theology student.
He's a Christian apologist, with specialization in Sabbatarianism, Sunday Worship, Seventh-day Adventism, and Old Covenant legalism.
He's an avid reader, passionate Bible teacher, and preacher.
He holds a Bachelor of Theology (Hons.) from the Bethel Bible College of the Caribbean-Jamaica (2020).
He is happily married to Kahmal Williams-Lauriston and they have three children, Kah-El, Kah-Liyah, and Kah-Melly.
He is an Ordained Minister in the United Church in Jamaica and the Cayman Islands (Congregational, Disciples of Christ, Presbyterian).
James 2:10 (ESV): 10 For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it. Also read Romans 3. Embrace the new covenant law of grace in Jesus Christ. If the Son set you free you are free indeed.
Okay so are you saying we shouldn’t keep the law or that we should?
@@trendoofficial291 He's saying keep the law so you can live like Christ, but keeping the law doesn't make you righteous. Righteousness comes from receiving the spirit of Jesus Christ
Before you put titles like this out can you please get the facts straight geez
If possible legal action must be taken against this because they don’t seem interested in what is fair and right.. they just want to get views and followers at the expense of an organization that they know nothing about
SDA CHURCH MY HUSBAND TOLD ME DON’T FORGET EVEN PAUL TURNED AWAY FROM KILLING CHRISTIAN’S !!! He THOUGHT HE WAS DOING THE WILL OF GOD UNTIL JESUS CAME. GOD MIGHT BE WORKING ON THESE TWO.
As someone who values fair and respectful dialogue, I urge all Seventh-Day Adventists who support the WiththePerrys ministry to consider discontinuing their support for this channel. Please keep them in your prayers. It is evident that they are not committed to a balanced discussion, as they have not invited active, recognized, and respected SDA pastors to participate in the conversation. (I will stand corrected when the Perrys publicly correct this with the name(s) & date(s) of near future planned conversations.) Instead, they continue to produce content that damages and slanders the Seventh-Day Adventist Church by labeling it a cult. This is disappointing and contrasts sharply with their treatment of other faiths on the channel.
Mason's repeated use of outdated rhetoric and false claims, which the SDA Church has addressed with reasonable biblical apologetics over the years, is particularly concerning. This behavior appears to be a strategy to increase social media views and revenue rather than fostering genuine understanding at this point. Seems to me as if they are just reading from exAdventist sources/books and presenting it as truth to confuse those who do not know what SDA's believe (within and out of the faith). A strategy I see here being employed quite a bit by "Thunder" in particular is the use of strawman arguments - misrepresenting or twisting subtly what SDA's believe to then refute it. This is a logical fallacy in argument.
This is now the SEVENTH (at least that I'm aware of) video segment produced by the Perry's with Mason and "Thunder" leading the charge with falsities against the SDA church. We now know where the Perrys stand and I would strongly urge a boycott of this channel by Adventists. It is very clear what this ministry is about now.
When did it be okay to bash someone’s religious beliefs. Mr. Perry has spoken in the past about teaching or speaking from a place of love and compassion, this wasn’t that. I’m unbelievably disappointed.
I understand you are hurt and troubled by these clips, and this something very hard to deal with. I encourage you and others to be patient and gracious with The Perry's and anyone else that you may find it hard to give grace to.
I also encourage you to watch the whole episode if you haven't, before making a concrete opinion on the points shared.
@@jasminespencer2872 I am extending grace to them. I’ve asked people to pray. But they are publicly promoting exadventist propaganda similar to what Allen Parr and Myles Christian have done /are doing. And yes I have watched fully the videos put out by the Perry’s. It is reminiscent of the debates had on the John Ankerburg show a few decades ago. We will confront error with truth and will not be silenced to sit in a corner and allow these false accusations and blatant lies to go unchallenged while we have opportunity.
You can try and boycott and cancel The Perry’s but at the end of the day, I can guarantee you other platforms will start exposing The SDA Church more and more because GOD IS TRYING TO WAKE YOU ALL UP!!!! Jesus is coming back soon, and Sunday is NOT the mark of the beast please wake-up and understand SDA IS NOT THE REMNANT CHURCH.
I'm deleting their channel. Extremely disappointed. Smh. I really liked listening to them too right until these videos surfaced... smh.
I’m SDA and I just think yall shouldn’t speak on it period because yall don’t know much about it. At the end of the day it doesn’t matter about religion. It matters about your relationship with the Christ.
They need too. False teachers and false doctrines need to be exposed for the sake of those being deceived. SDA believe in a false gospel. You need to learn what the sda church officially declares not just what you may hear in your local gathering.
I think every SDA should do some major research on Ellen G. White. Period.
@@JG-id5viand what false gospel is this, exactly?
@esthera4710 Scapegoat theory and investigative judgement. Completely unbiblical and even blasphemous.
@@JG-id5vi we don’t believe in false gospel. Your opinion is not a fact. You do your own research and stop speaking on things you don’t know period! Yall weird to keep speaking on religions especially SDA that yall have no knowledge in. Worry about your personal relationship with God and stop worrying about what religion serves purpose. No one forcing you to be SDA so why is it your concern. Worry about the Bible and your relationship. Keep SDA out your conversation period!
I respect your desire to share truth with the world but to have an ex sda speak for an entire organization is backwards. I hope and pray that you'll allow SDAs to speak for themselves and discuss the bible. Jesus being God, a member of the trinity, uncreated and eternal is a fundamental belief of SDAs so to say that SDAs believe Jesus was created is false. At this point it's not about what was said, that's already done, it's about what happens next. I hope you can just do a video talking to an SDA discussing the bible and let the cards fall where they may. If any belief that is contradictory to scripture it will be clear but this biased conversation sharing bad information is disingenuous.
Nobody who is an Adventist believes that Christ is a created being-this isn't accurate. So many missteps here. I wish we could discuss it.
I am in disbelief of this title. I am SDA and we wholeheartedly believe in the totality of the Bible. The trinity, the state of the dead, the health message, the Sabbath.
A few SDA pastors said they would come on, so it’s up to you, the Perry’s, to actually
Invite them.
How disappointing.
Definitely agree with this statement. They’re some very knowledgeable guys over at @AdventDefenseLeague would definitely love to be part of the conversation to respectfully put these disingenuous “claims” to rest. All the Perry’s have to do is be honest and actually invite members, not “Ex” members that are using this “poisoning the well” analogy..
SDAs do not believe in the true trinity. Maybe you have been mislead. But The SDA church beleives in 3 beings not 1 being 3 persons. The SDA church also believes in a false gospel. Scapegoat theory and investigative judgement is unbiblical, heretical and a downright insult to my Lords sacrifice. Learn the doctrine the SDA officially holds and the read the bible without the lense that is a product of the false prophet ellen g white. And repent and flee from that lie.
but at the beginning of the episode, they did say that they reached out to SDA leaders and they either rejected the invitation or didn't reply.
@@kerenkirabo7161 that was already proven to be untrue because 1. No names of who they reached out to was presented by the Perry’s, and Notice how Eric mason was quiet when there is a picture of him on Twitter engaging with a SDA pastor trying to come to the platform. Mason left him unanswered. Then if you watch the FULL video, the “Ex” Adventist made a bold declaration that a specific pastor, called out by name “Ivor Myers” was contacted and “refused”. Which was later turned out to be a false claim because the pastor himself came in the comments, addressing the fact he never received an invite nor did he decline an invitation since none was given. So much in fact that the Preston Perry apologized to him on Pastor Ivor Myers post he made on Facebook (This is still public for all to see) and told Ivor he must’ve missed the communication with him. So Now Ivor and Preston have been finally in contact. But this brings the bigger question, why is the “Ex” Adventist making claims such as those, and gave no screenshots or proof of any sort for singling out one specific pastor and then continue to say the things he said. Makes you wonder what else was said disingenuously
Did you watch the longer segment where Preston stated that they did reach out to some pastors and apologists. Maybe give some names. Thank you for the one platform mentioned. I am looking forward to hearing their defense of the SDA proclamation so as to be rightly tested when called into question in person.
the problem is that so many SDA's dont even know the history and driving practices of their faith that they are holding on to.
Reality
No don’t be mistaken we know how the church started and where it is now 👌
@@langelihlesibandankiwane1528 based on the selected narrative fed to you. It is also impossible to speak for all sdas. Most sdas really do not know the real history.
@@kylontobiasThe information is all freely available online. It has always been freely available. No one has to force feed anyone anything. Those who don't read don't know.
@@prayerpower1585 have you read all of it?
Since I have 40 years of experience in the SDA church, i feel like I can talk with some authority.
I went to an SDA school from 2nd grade through 12th grade. My parents rarely missed church. They often held Bible studies at our house, and both my parents volunteered quite a bit. My father was a deacon. My brother and I were se t to an SDA summer camp. We rarely missed a Heritage Singers concert. We were SDA's of SDAism.
Yes, I was often encouraged to read the Bible. But i can ASSURE you, that I was never encouraged to come up with my own interpretation of anything. Strictly what was supported in the 28 Fundamental Beliefs. Any Adventist who claims they don't "follow" EGW, are very misguided about whay they believe. Its right there in the 28 beliefs.
I grew up listening to Uncle Arthur's Bedtime stories, and all the little booklets we received every week. And then we graduate to the adult Sabbath School lesson. The one passed out in EVERY SDA church in America. Not to mention all the publications like Signs of the Times, Adventist Journal, and the Recorder.
The SDA church is very deceptive and crafty about luring people in. The Great Controversy is left everywhere in my town. It does not say who its written by. And it certainly doesn't label itself from the SDA church. In fact, many churches have changed their names to remove the SDA label. My old church is now "Dicover Life". Isn't that catchy?
I was taught so many falsehoods. Now that im reading the Bible on my own, cover to cover, I'm shocked how many stories were either glossed over, or misrepresented. The dream that King Nebecanzzer had about the statue. I was taught that he couldn't remember the dream, which is why Daniel was so important - to tell the king his dream he "forgot", and then interpert it. In reading the Holy Scriptures though, its clear that Nebecanzzer remembered it, but didn't want to tell his men. But WHY the discrepancy???
SDA's will SWEAR thay Jesus actually turned wayer into grape juice. And they'll quote every verse about rebuking strong drink and not being intoxicated. But will NEVER hear verses like Duet. 14:26 or Psa. 104:15.
So you don't like Adventist because you want to be drunk?
Why the Discrepancy? I don't know what Bible you are reading. Maybe a custom-made Bible. The KJV says Daniel 2:3 "And the king said unto them, I have dreamed a dream, and my spirit was troubled to know the dream." Daniel 2:5 "The king answered and said to the Chaldeans, The thing is gone from me: if ye will not make known unto me the dream, with the interpretation thereof, ye shall be cut in pieces, and your houses shall be made a dunghill." I pray that Jesus will open your eyes.
@elijahrodgers416 well, what are we supposed to do with verse 9?
Daniel 2:9 NASB2020
[9] that if you do not make the dream known to me, there is only one decree for you. For you have agreed together to speak lying and corrupt words before me until the situation is changed; therefore tell me the dream, so that I may know that you can declare to me its interpretation.”
@@CAmom75 KJV verse 5 "The thing is gone from me:" Don't blame Seventh Day Adventist for any lack of Biblical understanding. You have an obligation to study. I pray that Jesus will open your eyes and that you will make a full surrender to Him allowing Him to transform your life. God Bless!
Will someone please answer my question about Michael? Some on here are saying that they are being misrepresented but still have yet to answer my question about Michael.
So do you believe that Jesus is Michael OR his name means Michael?? If so please give me the scripture verse?
It’s based on Revelation 12:7 - Where it says Michael and his angels fought the dragon. We believe that that this (Michael)Jesus who fought against satan and his angels, which led to the great fall. This describes the war in heaven before Satan was sent down.
I tried posting a link to a Bible study here but the channel won’t allow it. In the beginning Jesus was the Word, then Michael and now forever Jesus. He is the eternal Son of God and Michael is the only archangel mentioned in the Bible who seemingly does the exact same work Christ does for His people. To be clear we see Michael as a role/title for Jesus similar to Jesus’s many other titles. But make no mistake we 100% reject the idea that Jesus is not eternally divine in nature also. We do not believe as Jehovah witnesses do that Jesus is a created being nor do we agree with evangelicals that Michael is just some mysteriously mentioned head/arch angel of the heavenly host. We can agree to disagree but is this clear?
My friends, I must respectfully say that I find your belief that Michael is Jesus quite concerning.
Michael is a created being, as stated in the book of Daniel where Gabriel refers to him as "one of the chief princes." In the same passage, Michael is described as coming to help when Gabriel was detained by the king of Persia. This description indicates that Michael is more like a guardian for Israel rather than Jesus. Additionally, in Daniel 12:1, Michael is described as standing watch over "the sons of your people," suggesting that he is connected to a specific group rather than all of mankind. This contradicts the idea that Michael is Jesus, as Jesus is meant to be the savior of all.
In addition, Satan is no match for Jesus, who is God. Though Michael had to physically fight Satan, ultimately Satan was defeated. Jesus, on the other hand, defeats His enemies with His words alone. This demonstrates that Satan cannot challenge God, who could destroy him effortlessly. Michael's victory over Satan actually proves that Satan is not as powerful as believed, as he was defeated by a created being like Michael.
Nowhere in the scripture does it suggest that Jesus is Michael. Such a conclusion would only be reached if someone planted the idea in their mind. It is important to repent and turn away from this heresy.
We must not diminish the divinity of Christ by equating Him with a created being like Michael. Jesus, not Michael, died for our sins. Jesus is capable of things that Michael is not. Even Michael bows at the feet of Jesus, recognizing that salvation is only possible through Him.
@@ME-vi9kq explain please. Why?
@simonl4076 “In the beginning Jesus was the Word, then Michael and now forever Jesus.” Did you just insert Michael into John 1??? This is alarming and damnable heresy belief.
You guys got this one ALL WRONG!😢 Please fix it!!!😮
By the way, we Seventh Day Adventists believe that Jesus Christ, The Son of God is FULLY God not a created being.
We believe that He- Jesus Christ, is the leader over the angels because God is the leader over the angels.
We believe that the Archangel Michael is simply yet another title and job of Jesus Christ, The Son of God. God, the Son, Michael the Archangel is the chief/ leader over the angels of Heaven.
We Do Not Believe that Jesus Christ, the archangel Michael, is a created being.
We do not believe that Michael is an angel.
But He is the chief over the angels.
Look up the meaning of the word archangel you will see that one of the meanings of Archangel is the "chief".
In the book of Daniel, the angel Gabriel referred to Michael as (when speaking to Daniel, Daniel 10:21) as "your Prince".
Is Jesus Christ the savior your Prince?
Think about it. The Son of God is the leader over the angels in heaven so Archangel is just another name and title of the
Uncreated, self existent, eternal God- God the Son.
God, the Son has many names and titles in the Bible. For example, He is called the Prince of Peace. He is the Lamb of God. He is the Living Water. He is the Bread of Life. He is the I am, he is the savior. He is the leader over the angels called Michael the Archangel.
Study what Michael the Archangel does in each instance in the Bible that He is spoken about. Think, can Jesus Christ do what Michael The Archngel is doing? IF you can interchange Jesus Christ in the work that Michael the Archangel is doing it is because they are one in the same.
There us nothing sinister going on here
God the Son is simply being called something different due to the circumstance that is being spoken of at the time in each respective Biblical event/story.
I encourage you to study this matter prayerfully.
Let us not strive needlessly against each other but pray earnestly and study together to be made free by the truth.
The Lord Jesus is soon to return. Let us allow His Holy Spirit to help us to be made ready to meet Jesus in peace.
“For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son, today I have begotten you”? Or again, “I will be to him a father, and he shall be to me a son”? And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.” Of the angels he says, “He makes his angels winds, and his ministers a flame of fire.” But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.”
Hebrews 1:5-8 ESV
Wow, no that is not what the Bible says. Lord, help us. Jesus and Michael are definitely not the same. If that's what SDAs believe, then that's enough to let me know there is deception in that church. Please read the book of Hebrews (and the Gospels mainly) and the comment below from @nathanielotu4189 and ask the Lord, the true and living God, to reveal His truth to you. Much love, and God bless!❤
These videos are wack lol. Please bring Pastor Ivor Myers on the podcast!
Preston, if I may off this...I know Dr. Eric Mason is well respected. Nevertheless, the simple fact that he had to have someone on to back up what he said the first time he was on, says that he was not academically excellent on the topic to speak on it. He however, is a funnel of Elcee who I can clearly tell you is mixing truth and error. Don't allow the Perrys integrity to be brought down because of misplaced respect or loyalty . Hence, be mindful of being a mouth piece on any part of the topic until the horses show up to neighhhhhhhhh...and we will if you let us. (Please follow up with Pastor Ivor Myers) God bless.
So they're still posting clips from a video where its clear so many things said were wrong?
I don't want to believe the perrys have another reason for keeping up with these clips. Unless its truly fpr clout! And to grow theur channel
What THINGS said WERE wrong? Dont run
For many people to continue defending a religion rather than Jesus is saddening. Is anything the perry's saying about Jesus and the gospel changed? Because all I see is many members of a religion getting offended by what they're saying they're believing thus far about a religion. You should be more concerned about how they view Jesus rather than your religion.
From a Seventh-day Adventist perspective, all truth is found in Jesus and His word. Misrepresenting our beliefs is not right because it can obscure the truth about Jesus. Our doctrines are derived from the Bible and aim to point all to Jesus and His message. We care deeply about how people view Jesus, and we strive to represent Him accurately. If the Perrys proclaimed the true gospel of Jesus, we could support that. However, correcting false representations is important to help others see the true beauty of the gospel and embrace Jesus fully.
@@ME-vi9kqyou say this like it’s an insult and it’s not. sda - seventh day sabbath and advent - second coming of Christ. We are pretty proud to be children of God and invite everyone to join us and follow Him. :)
@paigefrancis5169 Anybody would be upset/offended if someone else was spreading false information about them (or a group they belong to) and talking like it's truth.
What if I worked with you and you overheard me telling a coworker that you always talk rude about her behind her back and that you lie a lot and sleep on the job. If you know you always work hard at work and are honest and are respectful to everyone, you know that would make you mad and want to defend your character, even if you were too shy to.
It's the same thing. No one wants to be lied on.
Please explain to me why do you prioritize keeping the Sabbath holy but overlook the other 613 laws of Moses?
@alastairchung-jones3296 Okay. Makes sense. I will delete the comment. Nevertheless, I still believe SDA doctrine is flawed.
The issue is that EGW wrote about so many topics and so many things, it is easy to pick and choose from the writings to fit a narrative.
Things stated to change in 1888 when many the SDA church started to talk about righteousness by faith.
Some agreed and some did not.
The issue is that there is such a spectrum in Adventism that getting a succinct answer is tough.
We have churches that will ordain women and some that will absolutely not allow women to even speak up front.
Even within the church now there is a group that is anti trinitarian. They believe that the idea of the trinity has its roots in Catholicism, thus we need to go back to the ways of the original founders.
So like many denominations there is a large amount of variance…..
Exactly.
There are approximately 6,200 SDA churches in America. Pastors who they called out on their podcast said they received no such message asking them to speak about their faith. After the podcast there are SDA pastors who have left details in the comments saying they are willing to talk. This was poorly researched and orchestrated. There was no rush, they should have out of respect for their Christian breather waited until they could have done this properly.
When the standard of determination is “Christian orthodoxy and the Nicene Creed then know who & what you’re up against regardless of whether they represent the “ Black” church or Protestantism.
It was an eye opener for me when, many years ago I visited an AME Church, that the Nicene Creed was shown on screen so that the congregation could recite it.
Recall that before his conversion Paul was an Orthodox Jew.. educated in the “schools of the prophets” of his day
and so against the “unorthodox” teachings of Yeshua that when Stephen preached Christ and went into vision, proclaiming to see him seated on the right hand of GOD’s throne, the unconverted Paul held the coats of the men who stoned him.
Orthodox christianity & the Nicene Creed is determined from the Councils of Nicea with the first one being convened by Constantine.
If & when they really want the truth in this matter, they will pray and ask GOD for it.
And only then, through the Spirit of Truth, will they be able to discern the deeper truths of of The Gospel & the beautiful truths of The Three Angels’ Messages.😅
Wao... Never wouldve thought that the Perrys would take time to go after a denomination..., a group of ppl trying to share the gospel (like methodists, like baptists, like church of God you name it), a group of people trying to direct people to the bible so that the Holy Spirit can do he's thing, to expand the kingdom of God.
Thats why its so hard for non believes to believe in Chirstianity, because AMONG US, we go after each other... "By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.” But we rather, talk about each other. We are actually harming the body of Christ. Sad Sad...
Mormons and Jehovah witnesses feel the same way.
But wait do u get angry when the pastor from the pulpit call OTHER dénominations APOSTATE, DAUGHTERS OF BABYLON WHO WILL RECEIVE THE MOB?
These series are disingenuous towards SDA by using “Ex Adventist” to examine what is “taught” in the faith. Until an actual SDA comes on to defend the faith TRUTHFULLY. These videos need a different title. Adventists do not reject the deity of Christ.
Look at Fundamental belief #4
“4. God the Son (Jesus Christ)
God the eternal Son became incarnate in Jesus Christ. Through Him all things were created, the character of God is revealed, the salvation of humanity is accomplished, and the world is judged.
Forever truly God, He became also truly human, Jesus the Christ. He was conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary. He lived and experienced temptation as a human being, but perfectly exemplified the righteousness and love of God.
By His miracles He manifested God’s power and was attested as God’s promised Messiah. He suffered and died voluntarily on the cross for our sins and in our place, was raised from the dead, and ascended to heaven to minister in the heavenly sanctuary on our behalf.
He will come again in glory for the final deliverance of His people and the restoration of all things.”
(Isa. 53:4-6; Dan. 9:25-27; Luke 1:35; John 1:1-3, 14; 5:22; 10:30; 14:1-3, 9, 13; Rom. 6:23; 1 Cor. 15:3, 4; 2 Cor. 3:18; 5:17-19; Phil. 2:5-11; Col. 1:15-19; Heb. 2:9-18; 8:1, 2.)”
Jesus Christ is not a created being..He has always been eternal and is fully God. Please stop sharing this biased “Ex Adventists…”
Never have we seen you guys use “Ex” members to justify what “Doctrinal Faiths” a denomination upholds. This “Poisoning the well” analogy really needs to stop.
So do you believe that Jesus is Michael OR his name means Michael?? If so please give me the scripture verse?
@@ME-vi9kq Before answering your question, are you going to address what my comment said on the deity of Christ ?
@_MountainOfTruth
Yes! I will address below.
While I understand that there are Seventh-day Adventists who claim to support the trinity, the concern lies in the fundamental beliefs of your faith. It has been reported that Ellen G. White initially did not recognize God's Trinitarian nature and based your faith on this belief. Even if some may now claim to believe differently, if the core belief of your doctrine is flawed, then there are likely other issues within the doctrine as well. If Ellen was considered a prophet, how could she have made errors on such fundamental beliefs? There are additional errors, such as the idea that Jesus is Michael or that Michael's name means Jesus, which are not supported by the Bible. It is crucial to adhere to the teachings of the Bible.
@@ME-vi9kq I understand your sentiments towards EGW and I can definitely address things one at a time. But what I just showed you is THE fundamental beliefs that is public knowledge. This is not a SDA “current” now teaching. SDA has always supported the Trinity of the Bible, and we’re talking about the Fundamental beliefs that the official SDA doctrine teaches. I just cited #4 of the 28. There’s no EGW references there. The claim you are making about EGW, and linking it to what SDA “believed” is really often times a misleading accusation that is notoriously supported by other Christians who thoroughly have not done the research but tag along with what others say in a “poisoning the well analogy”. This same approach to EGW is similar to how atheists and Muslims attack the Bible and say it’s “Full of contradictions” but a Christian who is a defender of the faith will tell them that there are biblical applications and context that need to be considered at all times so that the scripture is not broken. So to your claim about EGW, you have first provide evidence of said claim and within the proper context (But that is a separate issue, what my comment is about is the SDA Fundamental belief, not EGW, so that’s where my argument lies). And to be very frank, if EGW writings burned up today, the fundamental beliefs of SDA would arrive at the same point…So far what you’re presenting is an accusation against SDA Fundamental beliefs, when in reality I’ve just showed you what the SDA church official belief is, and all the biblical a references for you to see for yourself. The argument should be against what the fundamental beliefs are. EGW did not write any fundamental belief of the church
Alright, I understand. I will need to conduct further research on the subject. However, what are your thoughts on Michael's claim? Do you believe he is Jesus, OR does the name Michael supposed to symbolize Jesus?
I'm SDA and I'm open to discussing anything you'd like. My faith is built solely on the BIBLE.
Elce Thunder has deceived you!
I want to believe this is true. But I have concerns. I am about to leave being sda and believe this is not true. But if I'm wrong I will admit it.
So
Question 1 - is the Sabbath the seal of God?
Question 2 - is the historical understanding of Sabbath being ceremonial (pre Constantine wrong)
Question 3 - what did Paul mean by being "absent from the body means presence with the Lord" that is different from a dualistic understanding of human nature
Question 4 - is eating pork wrong for gentile Christians
Question 5 - why has the understanding of the scale goat changed from representing Jesus to representing Satan
Question 6 - why is Micheal called Christ when in Daniel it says that he is one of the "chief princes" I assume if he is one of, that means that there are more? Which is the traditional Christian understanding. I e. It makes more sense to not identify him with Christ.
7. Is not giving tithe sin?
I guess what I am saying is that while I was Adventist I didn't understand how much we think is influenced by e.g. white and her contemporaries. But please tell me why Adventist understanding of these concepts are now accurate than the whole of Christian history until now.
@@Sora-yq1td Hello dear sister in Christ.
I can say that the SDA church is true. I'm willing to discuss this further but I will respond to it in more detail. Just letting you know I hear you but my response will be later when I get a chance. Questions are always good but let's be prayerful that God's word will be found true in our dialog. Talk to you soon.
@@Sora-yq1td Lets deal with Question 1 - is the Sabbath the seal of God?
Yes, the Sabbath is the seal of God.
Why is the Sabbath the seal of God? Let's notice first the work of the Holy Spirit.
{Ephesians 1:13} - In whom all of you also trusted, after that all of you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that all of you believed, all of you were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
{Ephesians 4:30} - And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby all of you are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Some suggest that the Holy Spirit is the seal. Actually it is the Holy Spirit that does the work of sealing you for Salvation.
Now how does the Holy Spirit seal us? Notice these words:
{1 Peter 1:2} - Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
The word "elect" means chosen, selected. In other words, we are elected by "sanctification of the Spirit." The word sanctification or to sanctify means to be set apart or to be made holy. This process of sealing through sanctification is the sealing of God's people. Sanctification means obedience to God. Notice these verses:
{2 Timothy 2:19} - Nevertheless the foundation of God stands sure, having this seal, The Lord knows them that are his. And, Let every one that names the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
{2 Timothy 2:21} - If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.
So notice that the "having this seal" means you are His. Everyone who uses the name of Christ must depart from sin. That very process is called "Sanctification" which is explained in verse 21.
The seal of God is done through the Holy Spirit's work of sanctification.
{Romans 15:16} - That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Spirit.
What is the sign of Sanctification?
{Ezekiel 20:12} - Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.
{Ezekiel 20:20} - And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that all of you may know that I am the LORD your God.
So the work of the Holy Spirit is to sanctify (seal) us through obedience to His word. Thus those who obey God's word honours the Creator who said:
{Exodus 20:8} - Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
{Exodus 20:9} - Six days shall you labour, and do all your work:
{Exodus 20:10} - But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD your God: in it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger that is within your gates:
{Exodus 20:11} - For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Now notice that the reason you will keep God's seventh day Sabbath is for no other reason than a thus says the Lord. Jesus said man should live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.
The fourth Commandment is the only commandment that states the name of God: LORD or Jehovah, His territory "heaven and earth" and his position or title as Creator.
Man is the author of Sunday and just because they put a good spin to it doesn't mean it's authorized from God. Keep God's law because you love Him John 14:15.
Okay, I tried to be as brief as I can. Let me know your thoughts or questions?
@@Sora-yq1td Question 1 - is the Sabbath the seal of God?
Can I ask you what's making you doubt that the Sabbath is not the seal of God?
@@IesuMoAu
Where in the bible does it say that the Sabbath is the seal of God?
At this point what is your problem?
Buddy, we can tell that you guys are biased. It would be nice for you to bring on an SDA representative to speak. But you've already shown preferential treatment for people who dont agree with our perspective on the Christian faith. We're already othered by you guys, so good luck to the person who shows up for that "open conversation."
I’m greatly disappointed in you guys as people who claim to be of Christ and are going to such lengths to ruin the reputation of a church you know nothing about especially about your titles stating that SDA is a cult and that it’s contradictory to the Bible. I advise that those with the authority to must take legal actions against this if they cannot change the title of their discussions and invite an Sda member to clarify their confusion.
This interview shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone. Look at the people they be around. The perrys follow false teachers and prophets. No submission to the law would lead anyone astray & by not keeping the Sabbath you miss out on a blessing that is needed. God will open up all the blinded hearts & that will be their test.
Amen
NO submission to the law?
Romans 6,14 ESV
FOR SIN SHALL NO LONGER BE UR MASTER FOR U R NOT UNDER THE LAW BUT UNDER GRACE.
UR COMMENT IS PROVING PASTOR ELCE IS CORRECT IN HIS ANALYSIS OF ADVENTISM FALSE TEACHINGS.
TELL ME HOW CAN ONE BE UNDER SUBMISSION TO A LAW THATS NO LONGER HIS MASTER?😮
@@charnelallan7159 No. I’m glad you quoted Romans. First you need to understand what sin is . Sin is the transgression of the law . You should have quoted verse 15 as well “ What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.” He concluded that we shouldn’t do away with the law. Heres another chapter in Romans 3: 27,28“Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law." Paul concludes the chapter with verse 31 “ Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, yea we establish the law. “ As you can see, Paul always concludes with us obeying the Law of God through Christ Jesus our Lord ❤️
You can lie, misrepresent, name call, and slander, but that will never change the reality: Jesus Christ is the eternal God part of the Trinity, Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savoir, I am saved and justified by faith in Christ atoning blood, I am sanctified by the Spirit, the Bible and the Bible only is my rule of faith by which every doctrine and individual is tested including Ellen White, God's moral law has never changed, the seventh day Sabbath is validated by the full authority of the scriptures, there is a Judgement before the second coming in which God will judge every work "with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil", humans are not immortal and the righteous will receive immortality at the second coming, the righteous dead are sleeping in their graves awaiting the resurrection at Christ second coming, and daily I must "grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ". This is what makes me a Seventh Day Adventist.
Question, can you, without the work of EGW, solely reading the Bible, reach SDA as the logical conclusion of the Christian faith?
Than denounce Ellen G white as the false prophet that she was. Denounce the false Gospel of Scapegoat theory and investigative judgement. Denounce the stance that Christian who worship on Sunday is the mark of the beast. Denounce Ellen's racism of "Amalgamation " how she thought black people were a product of humans and animals mating and how she thought interracial marriage was the reason for the flood.
I wrote this in another post. I hope you find it well.
I am in the midst of leaving the SDA church, where I have been a member for the past 17 years. I have good memories of the people there, and many of them are my friends and will still be when I leave. I know that the majority of SDA laymen you meet are basically Saturday Christians who are unaware of the history.
The SDA church has moved towards more mainstream positions, especially after their conversation with evangelicals. SDAs are now orthodox on the trinity and have an Arminian understanding of salvation. They do not accept a creed and claim to follow all of God's laws. Historically, they have not always been trinitarian, and this is reflected in some of the founders' views.
Currently, there is always tension between progressive Adventists (more traditional Christians) and Traditionalists (more believing in heterodox views). The traditionalist (in my opinion) is the extreme section of SDA, and a good portion of SDAs fit this description. Sadly, the current SDA president is one of these people. It is like (though people may not like me saying this) they hold Ellen white more tightly. They are likely to be the people who say the same spirit spoke to the prophets of old and the apostles and their writings. Consequently, they hold Ellen white to their standard. They then subsequently see it as a moral imperative to become vegans, claim that the bible commands against drinking wine, have very modest dress sense and believe that the gift of prophecy is Ellen white. However, this may get disguised as the gift of prophecy is the holy spirit manifested in the writings of Ellen white.
It is true that Adventists say they do not hold her writings at the same level as the Bible. But if we are all honest, this is a somewhat disingenuous claim. While people say that Ellen White supports the Bible, when you present a contradiction, a person is typically corrected by how Ellen White and her contemporaries understood a bible text. So, a person explains away what would be contradictions into a "correct understanding." The "sanctuary message" falls into that camp. When you discover that the word used for "cleansed" in scripture (KJV) is better translated to "restored" and does not refer to the day of atonement in Leviticus, you see this.
Anyway,
People (in my opinion) get swayed by Seventh-day Adventism because they tend to be quite conservative and seem to be Christians who take their faith seriously. However, people get lost (in my opinion) in accepting the Adventist understanding of the Law of God and especially the 10 commandments. After this, all of the other heterodox (sometimes cultist beliefs) are absorbed wholesale. Sanctuary message, clean and unclean foods, soul sleep, tithe. (These are proof texted).
The Adventist's understanding of Law and how other Christians understand it is very different. The Adventists claim that the Ten Commandments are God's moral law. The idea is this: The fourth commandment is part of it. The seventh day is indeed Saturday. And it is true: There is no scripture or Bible passage that says the new Sabbath day is Sunday. Then, everything else gets added. "Who changed the day?" The Adventists claim "Who changed the day?" The Sabbath will be a "worldwide test", and the third angel's message.
Due to this understanding, they see people worshipping on Sunday as man's day (pagan day) and believe that the Sabbath will be a worldwide test. Sunday worship will be enforced , and everyone who worships on Sunday after understanding the biblical Sabbath will have had the mark of the beast. (You cannot get to this position without Ellen White and other contemporaries of hers.) The Adventist claim of the Bible alone falls down here.
The problem is that this reading and understanding of scripture is wrong. This freed me from staying an adventist.
Firstly, the Adventists' understanding of the fourth commandment is wrong. It is a ceremonial/ritual law, not a moral law. This needs to be unpacked, so Adventists in the comments, please read the below train of thought.
1. The Ten Commandments are not called God's moral law anywhere in the Bible. This is a later development. The Adventist claim that it is written by the finger of God, which makes it moral is a claim and not scripture.
Other Protestant reformers do call it this (moral law); however, there is a big caveat. They also kept the historical view of the fourth commandment and how other moral commands (outside of the 10) were viewed. They did not have the Adventist view. Please read what Luther thought about Law and Gospel and what Calvin thought. It is very different from how Adventists view not only law but also church and communion. We tend not to read what they thought but are told what they thought.
2. There are moral laws outside of the Ten Commandments-this is uncontroversial.
Proof? When In the Sermon on the Mount in Matthew 5, Jesus said, "You have heard...." He went through murder, adultery, oaths, divorce, eye for and eye etc. It's the same opening for all of them. Jesus saw them all coming from the same lawgiver.
3. If there are moral laws outside of the Ten Commandments, then why can there not be a ceremonial law within them?
Once this is understood, the Adventist understanding of law comes crashing down. Jesus' view of the laws included the Jewish understanding of the 613 commandments. Yes, these included moral, ceremonial, etc, but Adventists classifying the 10 as moral is not how Jesus viewed them.
Adventists also claim that the Law of Moses differed from the Law of God. The Law of God is the Ten Commandments, while the Law of Moses is the ceremonial laws. Again, this is reading into the text what Adventists want you to see.
Luke 2:39, "when they had performed everything according to the law of the Lord." - what did they perform? Which law of the lord are they following? was any of it the 10 commandments or was it other laws?
4. Jesus seemed to view the sabbath as ceremonial law.
Jesus comparing breaking the sabbath with Circumcision and showbread indicates this.
5. History (not the Adventist view of history) goes against Adventist claims.
Justin's martyr, (dialogue with Trypho) showed the common understanding that the Sabbath and other ceremonial laws were commanded at Sinai and people like Noah and Enoch were not keeping the Sabbath.
Jews, both ancient and current, agree with this understanding and believe they were commanded to keep the Sabbath at Sinai. (The Adventist claim that this law was commanded in Genesis is not supported by history, and they are reading this into the text.)
Yes, the majority of Jewish Christians still kept the Sabbath, but not the Gentile ones. History shows this.
6. The common understanding is that Gentile Christians were freed from the ceremonial aspects of the law.
Hence, the Jerusalem council found in acts freed gentiles from circumcision, dietary requirements, sabbath keeping, etc., understanding that many of these things were fulfilled in Christ.
7. The sabbath was not changed with Constantine, as SDA claims.
Historical records show that people worshipped on Sunday before him (see Justin Martyr, the Didache, and Tertullian). Sunday is not the new sabbath! Our Sabbath rest is in Christ (read Hebrews). The historical position has been non-Sabbatarianism following Colossians 2:17. Even Samuele Bacchiocchi concedes this is the understanding. This understanding, I believe, will free Adventists. If you want a detailed review of the history, please read From Sabbath to Lord's Day by D.A Carson.
8. Sunday Sabbatarian stems from Puritans. Please research this.
This, more than anything, I believe, has influenced Adventist thinking.
9. "Keepers of the flame" is wrong history!
Self explanatory.
10. Adventist scholars are critical of Ellen white
Adventist scholars are critical of Ellen White's claims, such as Donald McAdams and his book "Ellen White and the Historians: A Neglected Problem and a Forgotten Answer," where he explores Ellen white's historical errors. Or there is the "case by Casebolt", which looks at the erroneous prophecies. There are more of these types of books by Adventists, but the institution (in my opinion) is afraid that if more people are aware of this stuff like the "1919 bible conference", the whole denomination will come crashing down.
I do want to end by saying that for the majority of people you meet, this would not be what you see on the ground. However, Adventist theology has a lot of error mixed with truth, which has led me out of that organisation. I feel sad for the people still in it because the theology may, at times, ruin people's lives. I have only touched the surface.
So what is the difference between an Adventist and a Christian?
Most of what you mentioned is Christian doctrine so what separates and why do we have to have Adventist and Christians. Christian👉 Christ. What separates the two? Why you don't call yourself a Christian. Christ is our Sabbath. Hebrews
@@georgettacarvin7593we are Christians just like we have Roman Catholics ,baptists,Pentecost etc
Hello Preston and Jackie. I am a part of your tribe. You’re my elder. I know reading this you are like “what in the world” but maybe one day we will meet in the earthly realm. Can’t wait to meet you
Damn… this is so rough. Smh. Ah well
Hopefully this segment will be done soon and they’ll get back to preaching the gospel and not misrepresenting and scandalizing an entire religion 💀
P.s. Dr. Tim Gillespie. Please fly him in.
@jrunnels04 Do you believe that SDA is a different religion from Christianity? Or did you mean to say “denomination”?
As a Seventh Day Adventist this is how I look at it. You can lie, misrepresent, name call, and slander, but that will never change the reality: Jesus Christ is the eternal God part of the Trinity, Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savoir, I am saved and justified by faith in Christ atoning blood, I am sanctified by the Spirit, the Bible and the Bible only is my rule of faith by which every doctrine and individual is tested including Ellen White, God's moral law has never changed, the seventh day Sabbath is validated by the full authority of the scriptures, there is a Judgement before the second coming in which God will judge every work "with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil", humans are not immortal and the righteous will receive immortality at the second coming, the righteous dead are sleeping in their graves awaiting the resurrection at Christ second coming, and daily I must "grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ". This is what makes me a Seventh Day Adventist.
So do you believe that Jesus is Michael OR his name means Michael?? If so please give me the scripture verse?
@@elijahrodgers416 cool. Not sure if this was in response to me. If so, it didn’t answer my question. If not, no biggie. But I am genuinely curious about where in scripture you got that humans are not immortal and that the righteous dead are sleeping in their graves.
@@jigary No problem. This is something I put together.
The righteous receive immortality at the second coming. “Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.” (1 Corinthians 15:51-54) “For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.” “For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?” “The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.” “For the grave cannot praise thee, death can not celebrate thee: they that go down into the pit cannot hope for thy truth.” “Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit [“breath”] shall return unto God who gave it.” “In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.” “For as the body without the spirit [“breath”] is dead, so faith without works is dead also.” “Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.” “For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,” “These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep. Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well. Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep. Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.” “Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.” “Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again. Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.” “But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.” “And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead? To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.” The Bible is very clear about what happens after death. (Isaiah 8:19-20) (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18) (John 11:23-27) (John 11:11-14) (Acts 2:34) (Acts 2:29) (James 2:26) (Genesis 3:19) (Ecclesiastes 12:7) (Isaiah 38:18) (Psalms 6:5) (Ecclesiastes 9:5-6) (Psalms 115:17)
Looking at it more specifically as a sleep the Bible says, “For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which SLEEP in Jesus will God bring with him.” “But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are ASLEEP, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.” Are you conscious when you are sleep? You say the dead are in heaven with the angels of God. The Bible says, “The body without the spirit [“breath”] is dead”. “For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?” “The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.” “For the grave cannot praise thee, death can not celebrate thee: they that go down into the pit cannot hope for thy truth.” “Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit [“breath”] shall return unto God who gave it.” “For as the body without the spirit [“breath”] is dead, so faith without works is dead also.” “Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.” “For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,”
Concerning hell fire the Bible says, “For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts." “Thine hand shall find out all thine enemies: thy right hand shall find out those that hate thee. Thou shalt make them as a fiery oven in the time of thine anger: the LORD shall swallow them up in his wrath, and the fire shall devour them. Their fruit shalt thou destroy from the earth, and their seed from among the children of men.” “Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.” “The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?” “Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.” “But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.” (Revelation 21:8) (Matthew 18:8) (Isaiah 33:14) (Matthew 3:12) (Psalms 21:8-10) (Malachi 4:1-3)
2 Thessalonians 1:8,9 “In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power” They will be destroyed with everlasting fire, that will bring everlasting destruction. Sodom was destroyed with “eternal fire”. (Jude 1:7) “Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.” God told Adam and Eve in Genesis 2:17 that if they disobeyed Him and ate from the forbidden tree of knowledge of good and evil that they would “surely die”, meaning cease to exist with no awareness or life after death. In Genesis 3:4 Satan as a snake plainly lied! Satan is saying that the wicked after death will still have eternal life in hell, they really won’t die. By the way some Buddhist believe that people are reincarnated into cows after death.
William Tyndale, a leader of the protestant reformation and the translator of a large portion of the Bible into English said, “Ye, in putting them in Heaven, hell, and purgatory, destroy the argument wherewith Christ and Paul prove the resurrection.” “If the souls be in Heaven, tell me why they be not in as good case as the angels be? And then what cause is there of the resurrection?”
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What is SDA
Seventh Day Adventist
This is what I believe as a Seventh Day Adventist: Jesus Christ is the eternal God part of the Trinity, Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savoir, I am saved and justified by faith in Christ atoning blood, I am sanctified by the Spirit, the Bible and the Bible only is my rule of faith by which every doctrine and individual is tested including Ellen White, God's moral law has never changed, the seventh day Sabbath is validated by the full authority of the scriptures, there is a Judgement before the second coming in which God will judge every work "with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil", humans are not immortal and the righteous will receive immortality at the second coming, the righteous dead are sleeping in their graves awaiting the resurrection at Christ second coming, and daily I must "grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ". This is what makes me a Seventh Day Adventist.
So do you believe that Jesus is Michael OR his name means Michael?? If so please give me the scripture verse?
As a Sabbath keeping Christian, I am disappointed at the constant hits my SDA brethren are taking for clickbait.
This is not the way it should be done. Your last video has current SDA Pastors willing to come on and have this discussion, yet you willfully choose to be blind and follow the lead of a very intelligent, but yet misguided ex member.
Let's do this in order and in decency.
Clearly the Perrys never studied what Seventh-day Adventists believe about the Michael/Jesus topic and are now putting out exadventist propaganda. It's ok to disagree on the topic..what is not ok is to create a straw man argument and misrepresent our position. Rom 14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
In this day and age we should be discussing HOW TO WIN SOULS FOR CHRIST!!! ESPECIALLY IN THE CURRENT STATE OF THE WORLD!!!! CHRIST IS COMINNG BACK SOON!!! LETS FOCUS ON THAT INSTEAD OF TRYING TO TEAR DOWN AN ENTIRE ORGANIZATION THAT DEFINITELY BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE AND THE TRINITY!! FATHER HELP US ALL!!!
U BELIEVE in thé trinity ?
How many beings r in heaven ? 3 or 1?
Anything added to the gospel is not the gospel. That’s what y’all don’t understand.
To be fair this discussion, please bring some SDA's on the broadcast where you can ask them questions so that they can answer thoroughly and biblically. There are some gross errors in this presentation about what SDA's believe.
You should watch the full video that came out 6 days ago if you feel that way.
What are the gross errors?
@@eddysantos539the full video is permeated with errors about what that denomination beliefs. One error is that the Trinity is not accepted when the fundamental beliefs of seventh day Adventist clearly state that the Trinity is believed and worshipped. Also the arguments surrounding Ellen White, her writings do not supersede and are not elevated over the bible. The views of an ex-member could never speak anything of truth about a group he clearly detests. If you want wisdom, seek God, he will grant you the understanding and lead you to the truth about his word. All the best. Blessings
Exactly an ex-member or person who has clearly not done their research properly cannot speak with authority about the denomination.
@@eddysantos539 I did and I did a video response to it.
They did reach out to multiple members of the SDA to be on the podcast, its in the full episode that they asked. @@divinelyannointed3401
I wrote this on another post. I hope people read through it.
I am in the midst of leaving the SDA church, where I have been a member for the past 17 years. I have good memories of the people there; many of them are my friends and will still be when I leave. I know that the majority of SDA laymen you meet are basically Saturday Christians who are unaware of their SDA history and broader Christian history.
It must be said that the SDA church has moved towards more mainstream positions, especially after their conversation with evangelicals in the 20th century. SDAs are now explicitly orthodox on the trinity and have an Arminian understanding of salvation. They do not accept a creed and claim to follow all of God's laws. Historically, they have not always been trinitarian, and this is reflected in some of the founders' views.
Currently, there is tension between progressive Adventists (more traditional Christians) and Traditionalists (more believing in more historic/heterodox views). The traditionalist (in my opinion) is the extreme section of SDA, and a good portion of SDAs fit this description. Sadly, the current SDA president is one of these people. Though people may not like me saying this, they hold Ellen white more tightly and many see her writings as scripture or her way of interpreting scripture as correct. They are likely to be the people who say something like "the same spirit who spoke to the prophets in the old and new testaments and the apostles also spoke to Ellen White."
They then subsequently see it as a moral imperative to become vegans or plant-based, say that the Bible condemns drinking wine, and have a very modest dress sense, to the point of not liking men with long hair. They believe that the gift of prophecy mentioned in revelation is Ellen White. However, this may get disguised as the gift of prophecy being the Holy Spirit manifested in the writings of Ellen White.
It is true that Adventists broadly say they do not hold her writings at the same level as the Bible. But if we are all honest, this is a somewhat disingenuous claim. While Adventists say that Ellen White supports the Bible, when you present a contradiction, a person is typically corrected by how Ellen White and her contemporaries understood a bible text. So, a person explains away what would be contradictions into a "correct understanding."
For example, the "sanctuary message" falls into that camp. When you discover that the word used for "cleansed" in scripture is better translated to "restored" and does not refer to the day of atonement in Leviticus, but the rededication of the temple, you see this.
Anyway,
People get swayed by Seventh-day Adventism because they tend to be quite conservative and seem to be Christians who take their faith seriously.
However, people get lost (in my opinion) in accepting the Adventist understanding of the Law of God and especially the 10 commandments. After this, all of the other heterodox (sometimes cultist beliefs) are absorbed wholesale. Sanctuary message, clean and unclean foods, soul sleep, tithe. (These are proof texted).
The Adventist's understanding of Law and how other Christians understand it is very different. The Adventists claim that the Ten Commandments are God's moral law. The fourth commandment is part of it. The seventh day is indeed Saturday. And it is true: There is no scripture or Bible passage that says the new Sabbath day is Sunday. Then, everything else gets added. "Who changed the day?" "The Sabbath will be a worldwide test", and the "three angel's message."
Due to this understanding, they see people worshipping on Sunday as man's day (pagan day) and believe that the Sabbath will be a worldwide test. Sunday worship will be enforced , and everyone who worships on Sunday after understanding the biblical Sabbath will have had the mark of the beast. (You cannot get to this position without Ellen White and other contemporaries of hers.) The Adventist claim of the Bible alone falls down here.
The problem is that this reading and understanding of scripture is wrong. This freed me from staying an adventist.
Firstly, the Adventists' understanding of the fourth commandment is wrong. It is a ceremonial/ritual law, not a moral law. This needs to be unpacked, so Adventists in the comments, please read the below train of thought.
1. The Ten Commandments are not called God's moral law anywhere in the Bible. This is a later development. The Adventist claim that it is written by the finger of God, which makes it moral is a claim and not scripture.
Other Protestant reformers do call it this (moral law); however, there is a big caveat. They also kept the historical view of the fourth commandment and how other moral commands (outside of the 10) were viewed. They did not have the Adventist view. Please read what Luther thought about Law and Gospel and what Calvin thought. It is very different from how Adventists view not only law but also church and communion. We tend not to read what they thought but are told what they thought.
2. There are moral laws outside of the Ten Commandments-this is uncontroversial.
Proof? When In the Sermon on the Mount in Matthew 5, Jesus said, "You have heard...." He went through murder, adultery, oaths, divorce, eye for and eye etc. It's the same opening for all of them. Jesus saw them all coming from the same lawgiver.
3. If there are moral laws outside of the Ten Commandments, then why can there not be a ceremonial law within them?
Once this is understood, the Adventist understanding of law comes crashing down. Jesus' view of the laws included the Jewish understanding of the 613 commandments. Yes, these included moral, ceremonial, etc, but Adventists classifyin the 10 as moral is not how Jesus viewed them.
Adventists also claim that the Law of Moses differed from the Law of God. The Law of God is the Ten Commandments, while the Law of Moses is the ceremonial laws. Again, this is reading into the text what Adventists want you to see.
Luke 2:39, "when they had performed everything according to the law of the Lord." - what did they perform? Which law of the lord are they following? was any of it the 10 commandments or was it other laws?
4. Jesus seemed to view the sabbath as ceremonial law.
Jesus comparing breaking the sabbath with Circumcision and showbread indicates this.
5. History (not the Adventist view of history) goes against Adventist claims.
Justin's martyr, (dialogue with Trypho) showed the common understanding that the Sabbath and other ceremonial laws were commanded at Sinai and people like Noah and Enoch were not keeping the Sabbath.
Jews, both ancient and current, agree with this understanding and believe they were commanded to keep the Sabbath at Sinai. (The Adventist claim that this law was commanded in Genesis is not supported by history, and they are reading this into the text.)
Yes, the majority of Jewish Christians still kept the Sabbath, but not the Gentile ones. History shows this.
6. The common understanding is that Gentile Christians were freed from the ceremonial aspects of the law.
Hence, the Jerusalem council found in acts freed gentiles from circumcision, dietary requirements, sabbath keeping, etc., understanding that many of these things were fulfilled in Christ.
7. The sabbath was not changed with Constantine, as SDA claims.
Historical records show that people worshipped on Sunday before him (see Justin Martyr, the Didache, and Tertullian). Sunday is not the new sabbath! Our Sabbath rest is in Christ (read Hebrews). The historical position has been non-Sabbatarianism following Colossians 2:17. Even Samuele Bacchiocchi concedes this is the understanding. This understanding, I believe, will free Adventists. If you want a detailed review of the history, please read From Sabbath to Lord's Day by D.A Carson.
8. Sunday Sabbatarian stems from Puritans. Please research this.
This, more than anything, I believe, has influenced Adventist thinking.
9. "Keepers of the flame" is wrong history!
Self explanatory.
10. Adventist scholars are critical of Ellen white
Adventist scholars are critical of Ellen White's claims, such as Donald McAdams and his book "Ellen White and the Historians: A Neglected Problem and a Forgotten Answer," where he explores Ellen white's historical errors. Or there is the "case by Casebolt", which looks at the erroneous prophecies. There are more of these types of books by Adventists, but the institution (in my opinion) is afraid that if more people are aware of this stuff like the "1919 bible conference", the whole denomination will come crashing down.
I do want to end by saying that for the majority of people you meet, this would not be what you see on the ground. However, Adventist theology has a lot of error mixed with truth, which has led me out of that organisation. I feel sad for the people still in it because the theology may, at times, ruin people's lives. I have only touched the surface.
This is what have come to believe about many religions and even conspiracy theories. A lot of lies mixed with truths. This keeps people confused and divided.
You wrote a whole lot of nothing 🤷🏽
@@reliza93Thats what indoctrination is ur comment SAYS it all
The boldness I love it!
This is heart breaking....
Mr Mason uses pompous words to sound authoritative n credible sadly his pitch is peppered with misinformation and n obvious bias. Overall very disappointing.
This is so sad. 🙏🏽
People are defending SDA ,hello we are Christians.All these denominations that we don’t even understand their foundations but we protect them with our lives it’s foolish honestly,Jesus said follow me ,anything else don’t matter .All them denominations that their books are read along side the Bible,no no eg Ellen White .I don’t have to go research who she was ,all I know I need the Holy Spirit no Ellen White to interpret the scripture.To each their own
Exactly lol
You should understand the foundations. Which church do you attend if any? If you do, do you understand their foundation?
To all SDA members, dont ve shocked, were in the end times, so all these, its bound to happen, in fact, wee were told in God's word to expect it.
So let be glad, God's words are coming to pass.
Ur told in GREAT CONTROVERSY NOT BIBLE. WHY R U SDA'S SCREAMING UR BEING PERSECUTED WHEN U SIT IN UR PEWS WHY UR PASTORS CALL OTHER DÉNOMINATIONS DAUGHTERS OF BABYLON APOSTATE. SUCH HYPOCRISY. ITS OK FOR U ALL TO US HERATICAL TITLES TO DESCRIBE DÉNOMINATIONS WHO DONT SUBSCRIBE TO UR ERONIOUS DOCTRINES. BUT ONCE ADVENTISM IS DEFINED U SHOUT PERSECUTION😮
SDA CHURCH MY HUSBAND TOLD ME DON’T FORGET EVEN PAUL TURNED AWAY FROM KILLING CHRISTIAN’S !!! He THOUGHT HE WAS DOING THE WILL OF GOD UNTIL JESUS CAME. GOD MIGHT BE WORKING ON THESE TWO.
We obey out of respect
SDA CHURCH MY HUSBAND TOLD ME DON’T FORGET EVEN PAUL TURNED AWAY FROM KILLING CHRISTIAN’S !!! He THOUGHT HE WAS DOING THE WILL OF GOD UNTIL JESUS CAME. GOD MIGHT BE WORKING ON THESE TWO.
We obey out of respect
God led Jackie out of the homosexual lifestyle he can lead her out of babylon out of the beasts grips.
SDA CHURCH MY HUSBAND TOLD ME DON’T FORGET EVEN PAUL TURNED AWAY FROM KILLING CHRISTIAN’S !!! He THOUGHT HE WAS DOING THE WILL OF GOD UNTIL JESUS CAME. GOD MIGHT BE WORKING ON THESE TWO.
Greetings,
Before you fly down EJ or Bring back Dr. Mason, Have on a SDA representative Alone. Give the same opportunity as you had with the Critics. And then if you want to have another episode with everyone on so be it. Thank you.
About 1 month ago, a person approached me who noticed I had "Jesus is the way the truth and the life on my car". He asked if I was a true believer. He asked if I was those church goers on Sunday and not Saturday. So he started telling me about why its important to go on Saturdays, Their founder White, SDA, and some of the history that the current gentlemen discussed on this channel. The man prayed with me. He wanted my number to send daily devotionals. So, for the past 30 days, he has been sending me pages from the founder Whites books along with scripture. After talking to the guys . I asked God to lead me because the church Im currently going to I felt God led me, but when this SDA member told me I should serve on Saturdays and the history of SDA, I was uncomfortable. I feel there is some true here from this topic because of being approached by someone who is sending me the doctines they currently learning from. If this post wasn't for you guys, it was definitely for me to know what he is sending isn't of God. It was very helpful for me.
Wrong approach by that person. Make sure you study the Bible for yourself.
I'm a former SDA. I know what you're talking about. They will send you one liner scripture with EGW attached to the bottom of their proof text scripture one line of scripture, and make a whole doctrin out of it. No contex whatsoever.
And that is not a good approach either. They look down on Christians that attended church on Sunday. They believe that ya'll are not saved unless you keep the Seventh day Sabbath.
If I'm an SDA and someone told me I should go to church on Sunday instead, I would feel uncomfortable too.. but what is truth?
Thank you Jackie and Preston for shedding light on the religious beliefs of the SDA church. ❤
A lot of emotional peeps in the comments smh. If you have an issue with what was stated, refute the facts provided, simple.
This is giving...Operating in the FLESH and NOT in the SPIRIT!!!! COME ON PAPA GOD SHOW THEM WHO WE REALLY ARE!!!! ALL FAITH. NO FEAR. EVERY YEAR!!!! GOD THE FATHER, SON, AND HOLY SPIRIT WILL PREVAIL!!!!
It’s really sad that you have not done due diligence in finding an Adventist to defend the faith. How can you just listen to one side of argument from a pastor and an ex seventh day Adventist and immediately make conclusive titles like this. I’m praying that God will send an adventist to defend the faith so clearly that you will understand what we believe before you continue to post such content this is damaging and untrue to what we believe. May God defend the truth that you will be convicted of it rather than just hearing man’s opinions this is my prayer in jesus name Amen.
This was just a discussion. Not a debate. At least they’re willing to talk to a talk to a current SDA
This was not a discussion; it was a hit piece aimed at slandering members of the Seventh-day Adventist faith. By labeling us a cult and misrepresenting our beliefs, they engaged in character assassination rather than constructive dialogue. It's akin to publicly branding someone a racist based on a false or twisted narrative, then suggesting a discussion afterward. The damage is done, and the harmful labels are what most people will remember. Rom 14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
@@simonl4076 this WAS a discussion. You need to do some research on your SDA beliefs and stop being so sensitive and defensive. Ellen G. White was a false prophetess and she will be held accountable as well. I’m praying g for you all.
@@Gina_BeenaYou are entitled to your opinion of course. I’ve said my piece.
@@Gina_BeenaWhat was her false prophecy?
A Response from a SDA Pastor: ruclips.net/video/sFKmyXI9EWU/видео.html
Rev. Elcé-Junior Lauriston ("Thunder") was born on Turtle Island, Haiti; raised in Grand Bahama, the Bahamas; and now resides in Montego Bay, Jamaica.
He's a former SDA evangelist and top theology student.
He's a Christian apologist, with specialization in Sabbatarianism, Sunday Worship, Seventh-day Adventism, and Old Covenant legalism.
He's an avid reader, passionate Bible teacher, and preacher.
He holds a Bachelor of Theology (Hons.) from the Bethel Bible College of the Caribbean-Jamaica (2020).
He is happily married to Kahmal Williams-Lauriston and they have three children, Kah-El, Kah-Liyah, and Kah-Melly.
He's a contributing author of the best-selling book "Urban Apologetics: Cults and Cultural Ideologies," edited by Dr. Eric Mason and published by Zondervan Publishers.
He is an Ordained Minister in the United Church in Jamaica and the Cayman Islands (Congregational, Disciples of Christ, Presbyterian).
Next….please
I'm so glad you guys are talking about this.
😂😂 yall are mad...so mad at them
This is total misinformation. Please please allow a pastor within the faith to speak as well. This video is truly making me question the credibility of your ministry. What is the true agenda posting this?
I would like to see both sides represented in this discussion but it was made clear in the episode that Sda pastors were invited but declined or ignored the invitation. Also I don't understand why this is being interpreted as bashing. The point is to figure out whether the beliefs of the Sda church agree with the bible or not. They are either biblical or are not. It's not about bashing anyone even if they get offended in the process.
A works-based gospel is not biblical and the word "cult" has been used to describe groups who believe this. It's not always the super extreme people who are called cults.
Some may say that the claims are outdated but the problem is you can't act on two contradictory beliefs. If you believe you are saved by grace through faith and not your works, you CANNOT believe Jesus is judging your works to either save or damn you like the investigative judgement says. That would mean you are saved by work either fully or partially, neither if which are biblical. Galatians makes this clear. You have to drop one or the other. Whether it be the sabbath as the seal to guarantee your place in heaven or anything else besides your faith in Christ. It just doesn't go together. Furthermore, if those beliefs aren't found in scripture that should be an immediate problem for anyone calling themselves a Christian.
The top comment in the full length discussion is from an SDA pastor.. he said there were no invitations sent.
@@MichaellaSapphire maybe not to him but if he's speaking for all the sda people contacted (which i don't think he can) someone is lying. The perry's arent the first creators who invited sdas on to present their side and were declined. They did the same to Answering Adventism and he showed all the receipts on video. Thus, I'm inclined to believe the same happened in this instance. Could be wrong but I know they tend to run away from people who know scripture enough to see through the double speak.
If that pastor is being truthful I look forward to hopefully seeing him on the next episode.
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