Hey Killkenny, check out Ukraine homestead, I'm sure he wired in a 24v charger to a 48v battery, which would maintain thoughs middle batterys. As for your wind turbine I started pulling it up with a three way pully blocks, but by the time you've brought all that a 12 winch is £60-£80
In fact thats going to work out better for maintenance, first youll have the 24v 3000w invertor charging the 24/48 batterys from the generator and then youll have the 24v i1500 pwm charging the lead acid batterys rattling the sulfur off the battery plates, could be maintenence free over the winter.
Best is high voltage of house sized solar; the choice is therefor 96v, 192V, 240v, 380v and higher. This reduces wiring costs and reduces battery degradation; it is also more efficient. Of course there is a danger of homeowners electrocuting themselves!
You can try changing grid charging parameters, unfortunately it trys charging at fully capacity first, for exanmple my iconica 5000w can adjust down to 10amp but wants to pull the 5000w start up, my greengear 3000w generator goes into stall and then the iconica disconnects the grid charging connection, my solution was a golf cart 48v 1500w charger, not cheap, but when i turn on the generator every charger is on 12v 20amp, makita 18v, 400w-1000w heater, 48v 1500w, but i would check out Ukrainian homestead and survey your 48v batterys to parallel 2x24v inside your 48v battery pack.
@@ai4px that's a very relavent question. According to the manuals the inverter should accept 170vac to 280vac in appliance setting on the menus. However they're much more fussy than this in practice. When the input from the generator is fluctuating by more than 30vac they seem to take a good 10mins to figure out what to do with it and most of the time they choose to disregard it unless a restart is done with correct settings applied in the menus before hand. After the restart with correct settings it's still 50/50 as to whether they will accept the genny input to charge batteries and operate in linemode (ac bypass). They really need to program some additional options in the menus to cover a wider range of operating conditions if the truth be told.
Nice! Just want to tell you my workaround as i got lots of old 12V and some 24V equipment i use in my48V system (58V max Litium 80kWh) I just parallelled in four 12V Lead acid batterys with my 58V Lithium bank With fuses inbetween 58V/4= 14,5V And low cut of for my lithium is at 50V (50/4=12.5V) I now added 5A Lead Acid battery balancers between every cell (actually i got 4 in paralell but principle will be the same) Now you can use 12V, 24V and 36V eqipment and still be "balanced" from your 48V system This will only be limited by the capacity of your Lead acid Balancers And it will work fine on both charging and discharging..... As to the Generator I do not have this problem as i only use Victron ;) LOL But You can buy some 400V capacitors to smooth the ripple This is how it used to be done "back in the days" on ships to save electronics . Regards from wet Windy Norway!
@@trygvetveit4747 now that's a comment with some real info! Thank you first of all, how long have you been running the balancers? I've been looking at them for a while now but wasn't confident in their ability. Next question is what is your victron setup that allows the flexibility of input from the genny?
@@ourkilkennyhomestead2006 Well, Not shure, but i would guess Victron Iverter/chargers got more capacitors inside to fix this? (tree times the price of your system, witch is propably a system i coul live with aswell, but i just love the flexebility Victron gives) My system is as follow: 1 Multiplus 2 1 Qattro 10000 2 Smartsolar 250/100 1 Smartsolar 150/60 1 Smartsolar 250/60 Approx 22kW solar 1 6kVA supescilent Diesel generator 1 Onan 4kW Marine fresh Water cooled gasoline generator converted to LPG and Wood Gas 1 2500W Hydroturbine for winter use 1 "M6" 2500W/48V Wind turbine (never seen more than 2000W from it in storm gusts, but in windy days it will give 6-800W) The Wood Gas generator will send coolant to 6 pcs 1000L IBC cuopleled in series via Copper 22mm "Lance coolers" in series to make one large heat storage in my inhouse Garage....Witch is also heated from a old Water to Water Heat pump (DeLonghi HRNH-0121) I have moved away from actually usin 12-24V eqipment exept for a small 12V Vind Turbine feeding into one of the 12V Battery I can also connect the generator /Battery from my 2012 Ford Fiesta Diesel to Charge my system with 160A/12V if needed Im currently trying to design a "Add on" to my "Peterson Wood Gasifier" (ISBN 9798802865293) to make "green Diesel" from household waste and plast..k :)
@@trygvetveit4747 thanks for the info, much appreciated. The genny can do 4.5kw but if it's running through the inverters I can cut it down to 2kw or even as low as 1.2kw to go easy on a regulator.
@@ourkilkennyhomestead2006 .) OR You "Can bite into the sour Apple" and buy a small Victron Multiplus 2 48V or even better the smallest Qattro 40V you can find (got 2 AC in and two ac out) It will still let you use the rest of your devices if you use Lead Acid Balancers
Should be thinking about biogas, from all your roten vegetables chicken dropins etc.. only down sid i can see is a kg of propane can produce 6.2kwh a kg of methane can only produce 1.6kwh but its free for generators, instant hot water boilers
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Hey Killkenny, check out Ukraine homestead, I'm sure he wired in a 24v charger to a 48v battery, which would maintain thoughs middle batterys. As for your wind turbine I started pulling it up with a three way pully blocks, but by the time you've brought all that a 12 winch is £60-£80
In fact thats going to work out better for maintenance, first youll have the 24v 3000w invertor charging the 24/48 batterys from the generator and then youll have the 24v i1500 pwm charging the lead acid batterys rattling the sulfur off the battery plates, could be maintenence free over the winter.
Best is high voltage of house sized solar; the choice is therefor 96v, 192V, 240v, 380v and higher.
This reduces wiring costs and reduces battery degradation; it is also more efficient.
Of course there is a danger of homeowners electrocuting themselves!
@@jocosson8892 do you know of any high voltage battery banks? I'd be interested to learn about them.
You can try changing grid charging parameters, unfortunately it trys charging at fully capacity first, for exanmple my iconica 5000w can adjust down to 10amp but wants to pull the 5000w start up, my greengear 3000w generator goes into stall and then the iconica disconnects the grid charging connection, my solution was a golf cart 48v 1500w charger, not cheap, but when i turn on the generator every charger is on 12v 20amp, makita 18v, 400w-1000w heater, 48v 1500w, but i would check out Ukrainian homestead and survey your 48v batterys to parallel 2x24v inside your 48v battery pack.
Can you expand tge volt limits the 48v guy will accept? Is it maybe frequency drifting too far??
@@ai4px that's a very relavent question. According to the manuals the inverter should accept 170vac to 280vac in appliance setting on the menus. However they're much more fussy than this in practice. When the input from the generator is fluctuating by more than 30vac they seem to take a good 10mins to figure out what to do with it and most of the time they choose to disregard it unless a restart is done with correct settings applied in the menus before hand. After the restart with correct settings it's still 50/50 as to whether they will accept the genny input to charge batteries and operate in linemode (ac bypass). They really need to program some additional options in the menus to cover a wider range of operating conditions if the truth be told.
Nice!
Just want to tell you my workaround as i got lots of old 12V and some 24V equipment i use in my48V system (58V max Litium 80kWh)
I just parallelled in four 12V Lead acid batterys with my 58V Lithium bank With fuses inbetween
58V/4= 14,5V And low cut of for my lithium is at 50V (50/4=12.5V)
I now added 5A Lead Acid battery balancers between every cell (actually i got 4 in paralell but principle will be the same)
Now you can use 12V, 24V and 36V eqipment and still be "balanced" from your 48V system
This will only be limited by the capacity of your Lead acid Balancers
And it will work fine on both charging and discharging.....
As to the Generator I do not have this problem as i only use Victron ;) LOL
But You can buy some 400V capacitors to smooth the ripple This is how it used to be done "back in the days" on ships to save electronics .
Regards from wet Windy Norway!
@@trygvetveit4747 now that's a comment with some real info! Thank you first of all, how long have you been running the balancers? I've been looking at them for a while now but wasn't confident in their ability. Next question is what is your victron setup that allows the flexibility of input from the genny?
@@ourkilkennyhomestead2006
Well, Not shure, but i would guess Victron Iverter/chargers got more capacitors inside to fix this? (tree times the price of your system, witch is propably a system i coul live with aswell, but i just love the flexebility Victron gives)
My system is as follow:
1 Multiplus 2
1 Qattro 10000
2 Smartsolar 250/100
1 Smartsolar 150/60
1 Smartsolar 250/60
Approx 22kW solar
1 6kVA supescilent Diesel generator
1 Onan 4kW Marine fresh Water cooled gasoline generator converted to LPG and Wood Gas
1 2500W Hydroturbine for winter use
1 "M6" 2500W/48V Wind turbine (never seen more than 2000W from it in storm gusts, but in windy days it will give 6-800W)
The Wood Gas generator will send coolant to 6 pcs 1000L IBC cuopleled in series via Copper 22mm "Lance coolers" in series to make one large heat storage in my inhouse Garage....Witch is also heated from a old Water to Water Heat pump (DeLonghi HRNH-0121)
I have moved away from actually usin 12-24V eqipment exept for a small 12V Vind Turbine feeding into one of the 12V Battery
I can also connect the generator /Battery from my 2012 Ford Fiesta Diesel to Charge my system with 160A/12V if needed
Im currently trying to design a "Add on" to my "Peterson Wood Gasifier" (ISBN 9798802865293) to make "green Diesel" from household waste and plast..k :)
@@ourkilkennyhomestead2006
And propably ru those Eqalitzers for 6-7 Years, simple electronics, will last a looong time if not overloaded :)
@@trygvetveit4747 thanks for the info, much appreciated. The genny can do 4.5kw but if it's running through the inverters I can cut it down to 2kw or even as low as 1.2kw to go easy on a regulator.
@@ourkilkennyhomestead2006
.) OR You "Can bite into the sour Apple" and buy a small Victron Multiplus 2 48V or even better the smallest Qattro 40V you can find (got 2 AC in and two ac out)
It will still let you use the rest of your devices if you use Lead Acid Balancers
Interesting, thanks
@@jean-paulcastellano9589 great to have you here with us as always Jean Paul, hope all is well. 😎
Should be thinking about biogas, from all your roten vegetables chicken dropins etc.. only down sid i can see is a kg of propane can produce 6.2kwh a kg of methane can only produce 1.6kwh but its free for generators, instant hot water boilers
@@HenryOwens-py3ur thanks for all the tips and info, will definitely check it out.