I always wanted the original House of the Dead on the Dreamcast, it would have been nice if they'd released it with House of the Dead 2 as a doublepack.
@The Furthest Man From Home so... you still can emulate it... that's a weak excuse... Just rip the Saturn or Arcade version and make it compatible with the Wii... Cost a little more time but still possible!
The Dreamcast version of House of the Dead 2 was supposed to include the first game as an unlockable extra, but they ran out of time to add it. Had they done that they might still have a build of the source code.
I just noticed the Taikenban has a more detailed texture on the zombies and the answer to the different color scheme may be because they were trying to make it as exact as the Arcade For example the Kenfis(zombie dogs) are colored exactly like their arcade counterparts And another interesting sidenote regarding graphics is Rogan's car In the Taikenban version it has a dark tint on the front windshield and the rest of the windows much like the Arcade version but the final version completely took it out I think Sega really tried making the port as exact as the Arcade version but soon gave up and rushed with a really bad port I mean in terns of graphics they should've given the PC version a little bit more time and make it more like what they were aiming in the Taikenban version but they literally just copy pasted the Saturn port sadly Nice video mate 👍 very informative
thanks for comparing the different versions. very interesting! hotd was such a big influence in my early videogaming-years. same with virtua cop, which you already showed up recently. segas golden ages i guess.
Thanks for watching. I've always been a fan of House of the Dead. Such a cool game. I'm still trying to get the game to run without textures like on the screen shot I've used for the title card. Unfortunately the untextured area only shows during the rolling demo then cuts off very quickly.
I remember going into my Virgin Megastores and picking up a copy of house of the dead and the light gun took it home and was so excited .....was majorly disappointed on how the graphics were ...thankfully did play better then it looked but still felt a better port could have been done. Speaking of which shame we never got a home console port that was arcade perfect.
In 4:17 he turned green on the ladder like the green ghoul that jumps on your face! The game probably tried to load from the previous polygon routine to load the next character and it delayed to change the figure i think!
One thing the beta has is unfiltered voice files. The title screen is the magicians voice without the pitch change. If you play through the whole thing the hangedman is G's VA and the computer voices are Sophies VA with out the filters. The magician is voiced by Rogan but in a flat tone to try and simulate a machine I'm guessing.
That's right. I'm trying to find the files on the disc so I can replace them with other voice samples. I'm also wondering if it's possible to replace the textures with better ones.
They were cobbling this thing together even until the eleventh hour... The fact that they got a working game out A MONTH AFTER this beta is just mind boggling.
I think the team behind this did an amazing job. House of the Dead plays great on the Saturn. It's just a shame it looks poor thanks to those textures.
I think the team behind this did an amazing job. House of the Dead plays great on the Saturn. It's just a shame it looks poor thanks to those textures.
Great video, I always love watching comparison videos like this, and I especially love that you did it without any emulation at all. I look forward to seeing more!
I noticed the Taikenban build has the direct arcade music from stage 1. It sounds really good. I tried looking for the other in-game music by hacking the ISO without much luck. :\
in the beta, seems that there was a slow memory corruption going on. typical of C programs that have to load and dispose bitmaps fast and often. The pointers often "walk" (due to some mishandling) and you end up loading a texture to the wrong spot or even crossing a boundary and bleeding into other textures or even geometry data
@@RetroCore That's what usually happen - otherwise, there would be random crashes and game corruption over time. It's tricky because sometimes it only happen after hours and hours of playing. C is a powerful language, but quite tricky to work.
05:06 Actually that's a missing texture because the character is displayed before the texture is loaded from the CD, probably a bug in the beta version. It can also be a sign that the CD drive gets weaker : my first Saturn eventually couldn't manage to load any texture like that. Yes, textures are loaded on the fly from the CD in this game, and still they had to stop the gameplay to load more data in the middle of the levels… They should have used a cartridge RAM.
Also they could create i believe for sony's VR and not only remastered versions like the crash trilogy with all the games in one sweet bundle.Or all the sega rail shooters from virtual cop to jurasic park,ocean hunter,confidential mission etc with house of the dead as well!
@Stefano Pavone I hope they kept the gore intact. And hopefully we will get a pc port too cause hod 4 never got ported to pc. So I think they wont port hod1 and 2 remake on pc either.
I would like a video saying why you love this game i always find it interesting to see how passionate a person is and their view (unless you have a video already,)
I've probably mentioned this in the Battle of the Ports House of the Dead video. I feel this is the best of the series because it actually takes place inside a haunted house setting. It has that creepy atmosphere that the others lack. It also has a great soundtrack. It's just a shame we never got a high quality home port. I mean, the Saturn version plays really well but it does look pretty bad.
A family member of mine had the Saturn port. For as jank as the graphics were, it was my exposure to the first game and I loved it! Shame Sega never found a way to port the first to dreamcast, kinda funny because the Xbox port of HOTD3 had HOTD2 as a bonus.
@@RetroCore i don't really know. but probably because it looks better (and easier to read) in better resolution than it is on Saturn. ps: oh yes it also includes researcher and sophie as well! Just remembered the details lol
And also there are a lot of graphical corruptions into wireframes here and there in split second in the beta version on enemies and allies texture models i noticed this in i think 9:15 and 5:20...maybe but you should check them out mark!
Hey Mark, you did not mention that the other thing that remained from the beta to the final buid was the terrible voice acting 😜💦 as always excellent video , saludos.
I sense 1st place trophy for Mark. After seeing he pro gaming skills in action, is there any doubt why he's the best the UK/Japan has to offer. 8^) Anthony.
While some colors look good on Taikenban version, the final build is more faithful to the arcade in terms of color. Also the skins of civilians and humans look dead on the Taikenban version. While the final build did have more lively skin, the dead civilians you find here and there still used the old dead looking skin textures. Also even the final build had botched hit detection on Saturn. They did fix it in pc port but I wonder if it was really due to saturns hardware or they coudlnt get the hit detection right due to time constraints?
I never had an issue with hit detection on the Saturn game. I have only ever played the Japanese version mind you. Maybe it was fixed for that release?
@@RetroCore Maybe? I played only EU and US version of HoD 1 on saturn. It's worth mentioning since childhood I've been playing on pc, so I had hod1 on pc. And then on 2013 I finally got to emulate model 2 version. It was only in late 2013 that I finally got my hands on saturn port. And immediately I noticed the worse hit detection. But, it's highly possible that it's an emulation issue [I tried 3 different emulators] or maybe just the lower framerate confusing me? I'll have to lock the pc port to low framerate and see if I feel same thing for hit detection there. I'll also have to get my hands on the Jap version cause like you said, it's possible that Jap release got it fixed.
Maybe at first they wanted to make it look more like the arcade knowing how the textures looks in the beta.....i may be wrong tho also this is one of my favorite childhood arcades, at first i used to be scared of it but couldn't stopped playing it xD
They must have been in a terrible hurry, when you think the beta was just a mere month before the final. And one would say, it was really a "beta" in a sense of the word ;) It's quite a horrible conversion, for a hard to program machine. Virtua Cop(s) were much better conversions! Maybe I'll try to get an light gun to my Saturn one day ;) Would be nice to test the Sega light gun games on a real Saturn with CRT...
Miika Suominen if you can find them for a good price pick them up. It is so much better to play with a light gun. I was lucky when I found two Saturn Stunners on clearance at funcoland when they were getting rid of there Saturn stuff. I actually got the arcade wheel and Virtua Stick at the same time too. Sorry I’m not trying brag. 😉
@@RetroCore I have original Virtua Cop 2, it came with the machine when I bought it. I bought an Action Replay cartridge and installed Pseudo Saturn Kai to it. And also have downloaded about all the (USA) games for it. I actually don't really care about buying original games to old consoles... I like to use original hardware, but pouring silly amount of money to old games to them... Naah.... Yes, HOTD on Saturn is ugly as he**, but indeed does play really well :) That is true ;)
@@RetroCore Well, not in USA ;) Finland, but the prices are very high here also, on retro things... And why I mainly get older games as an USA-version, is because of speed. As an UK born, you know the sad state how most PAL-games mostly just ran that 10% slower... Now, when one knows about things like that, I intend not to suffer of the wrong speed anymore ;)
@@RetroCore Arcade is Uncensored, and PC Version has Blood Color Change Option, For Arcade Experience, choose Red Blood, or for Saturn Experience, choose Green Blood.
Sorry, but it's not 60fps. This is surprising since you upload 60fps videos every week and you labelled this one specifically as 60fps. Interesting vid though, didn't know a beta was out there, but it'd be nice to see it actually in 60fps. :)
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R-r-r-r-reload that sound I don’t know why I like it but I like it
4:17 everyone is turning into the green water monster in the Taikenban version 🤣🤣
That they are 👍
I always wanted the original House of the Dead on the Dreamcast, it would have been nice if they'd released it with House of the Dead 2 as a doublepack.
I'm with you there. Sega said that they lost the source code to the original which is why on the Wii we only get House of the Dead 2 and 3.
@The Furthest Man From Home so... you still can emulate it... that's a weak excuse... Just rip the Saturn or Arcade version and make it compatible with the Wii...
Cost a little more time but still possible!
The Dreamcast version of House of the Dead 2 was supposed to include the first game as an unlockable extra, but they ran out of time to add it. Had they done that they might still have a build of the source code.
A collectors remaster of the series is in order and perhaps some vr stuff to please sega!
Retro Core How the hell do you lose the source code of one of your own games? Lmao, talking about irresponsible.
I just noticed the Taikenban has a more detailed texture on the zombies and the answer to the different color scheme may be because they were trying to make it as exact as the Arcade
For example the Kenfis(zombie dogs) are colored exactly like their arcade counterparts
And another interesting sidenote regarding graphics is Rogan's car
In the Taikenban version it has a dark tint on the front windshield and the rest of the windows much like the Arcade version but the final version completely took it out
I think Sega really tried making the port as exact as the Arcade version but soon gave up and rushed with a really bad port
I mean in terns of graphics they should've given the PC version a little bit more time and make it more like what they were aiming in the Taikenban version but they literally just copy pasted the Saturn port sadly
Nice video mate 👍 very informative
The taikenban ver.
Every npc (even player) is sometimes gliched as a Swamp Zombie
Great video again. This almost felt like a hardware pushers video. This was nice to watch in a Saturn tech demo type of way.
thanks for comparing the different versions. very interesting! hotd was such a big influence in my early videogaming-years. same with virtua cop, which you already showed up recently. segas golden ages i guess.
Thanks for watching. I've always been a fan of House of the Dead. Such a cool game. I'm still trying to get the game to run without textures like on the screen shot I've used for the title card. Unfortunately the untextured area only shows during the rolling demo then cuts off very quickly.
I remember going into my Virgin Megastores and picking up a copy of house of the dead and the light gun took it home and was so excited .....was majorly disappointed on how the graphics were ...thankfully did play better then it looked but still felt a better port could have been done. Speaking of which shame we never got a home console port that was arcade perfect.
The Saturn port does look rubbish but the whole haunted house theme actually helps. The graphics kind of add to the creepy look I think.
1:57 Normal Voice
2:01 or 2:00 Evil Voice of Normal Voice
Isn't the normal voice, the voice of Rogan lol?
This video brought my memory all the way back to 2000 when I was 5.
Wow, in 2000 I was 25. Still, great times playing house of the Dead 2 in my local arcade.
In 4:17 he turned green on the ladder like the green ghoul that jumps on your face! The game probably tried to load from the previous polygon routine to load the next character and it delayed to change the figure i think!
Yeah, it does that quite a bit. Corrupt texture loading is what causes it.
One thing the beta has is unfiltered voice files. The title screen is the magicians voice without the pitch change. If you play through the whole thing the hangedman is G's VA and the computer voices are Sophies VA with out the filters. The magician is voiced by Rogan but in a flat tone to try and simulate a machine I'm guessing.
That's right. I'm trying to find the files on the disc so I can replace them with other voice samples. I'm also wondering if it's possible to replace the textures with better ones.
Very good video. Thanks, mate. The house of dead was my favourite shooting arcade at the time.
They were cobbling this thing together even until the eleventh hour... The fact that they got a working game out A MONTH AFTER this beta is just mind boggling.
I think the team behind this did an amazing job. House of the Dead plays great on the Saturn. It's just a shame it looks poor thanks to those textures.
I think the team behind this did an amazing job. House of the Dead plays great on the Saturn. It's just a shame it looks poor thanks to those textures.
5:44 why are her eyes glowing green in the final version?(texture placeholder that was forgotten or a possible zombie XD?)
I think they are green in the Arcade too. Either way they look stupid. They should have kept them brown.
たいけんばん／体験版(Tai-ken-ban) means a trial version, is a free but incomplete public(usually) version before final release.
Great video, I always love watching comparison videos like this, and I especially love that you did it without any emulation at all.
I look forward to seeing more!
Thanks. Any future videos I do like this will also be true hardware without any emulation.
I noticed the Taikenban build has the direct arcade music from stage 1. It sounds really good. I tried looking for the other in-game music by hacking the ISO without much luck. :\
Oh, I didn't noticed that. Thanks for pointing it out.
The Taikenban npc turns into moss monsters for a sec and goes back to original
in the beta, seems that there was a slow
memory corruption going on. typical of C programs that have to load and dispose bitmaps fast and often.
The pointers often "walk" (due to some mishandling) and you end up loading a texture to the wrong spot or even crossing a boundary and bleeding into other textures or even geometry data
Good explination but maybe not the case for this game. Unless the cleaned up the code for the final release.
@@RetroCore That's what usually happen - otherwise, there would be random crashes and game corruption over time. It's tricky because sometimes it only happen after hours and hours of playing. C is a powerful language, but quite tricky to work.
05:06 Actually that's a missing texture because the character is displayed before the texture is loaded from the CD, probably a bug in the beta version. It can also be a sign that the CD drive gets weaker : my first Saturn eventually couldn't manage to load any texture like that. Yes, textures are loaded on the fly from the CD in this game, and still they had to stop the gameplay to load more data in the middle of the levels… They should have used a cartridge RAM.
Very true comment there but I can assure you that the issue in this case is bad programming, not the Saturn reading data.
The title voice is (I believe) the same but the final one has a deepened effect
Also they could create i believe for sony's VR and not only remastered versions like the crash trilogy with all the games in one sweet bundle.Or all the sega rail shooters from virtual cop to jurasic park,ocean hunter,confidential mission etc with house of the dead as well!
That would be Awsome.
Pretty good video.
This was one of my fav scary games growing up. Preferred the PC version over the arcade.
I do wish we had an arcade perfect version of this game for the home. It's so much better than parts 2 and 3.
@Stefano Pavone I hope they kept the gore intact. And hopefully we will get a pc port too cause hod 4 never got ported to pc. So I think they wont port hod1 and 2 remake on pc either.
@Stefano Pavone I've seen it, and I did not like the remake. They butchered both gameplay, artstyle and voice acting. It' not for me.
The first 2 games are more creepy to me. Idk somthing about the models being lower quality makes the creatures more creepy.
I agree with you there. The first House of the Dead is easily the best one.
So the remake of this game is FINALLY revealed. Which looked pretty cool.
There's a remake of the original? Cool, never knew about that.
@@RetroCore Yup, here it is if you didnt see it. ruclips.net/video/4_s8Sqdns1E/видео.html
Bummer, on the Switch 😕. I don't own one of those any more.
@@RetroCore I'm sure it'll also come out on arcades as well. Since obviously it should considering it was a arcade shooter.
I would like a video saying why you love this game i always find it interesting to see how passionate a person is and their view (unless you have a video already,)
I've probably mentioned this in the Battle of the Ports House of the Dead video.
I feel this is the best of the series because it actually takes place inside a haunted house setting. It has that creepy atmosphere that the others lack. It also has a great soundtrack.
It's just a shame we never got a high quality home port. I mean, the Saturn version plays really well but it does look pretty bad.
A family member of mine had the Saturn port. For as jank as the graphics were, it was my exposure to the first game and I loved it! Shame Sega never found a way to port the first to dreamcast, kinda funny because the Xbox port of HOTD3 had HOTD2 as a bonus.
It is a shame. The original house of the Dead in the best of all in my opinion.
the beta version screen of the saturn mode were also appears on the PC version as the final one iirc
I wonder why that is?
@@RetroCore i don't really know. but probably because it looks better (and easier to read) in better resolution than it is on Saturn.
ps: oh yes it also includes researcher and sophie as well! Just remembered the details lol
And also there are a lot of graphical corruptions into wireframes here and there in split second in the beta version on enemies and allies texture models i noticed this in i think 9:15 and 5:20...maybe but you should check them out mark!
That's corrupt texture data, not wire frame. It happens a lot in the beta release.
Hey Mark, you did not mention that the other thing that remained from the beta to the final buid was the terrible voice acting
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as always excellent video
, saludos.
Hehe, indeed. Sega's old games seemed to always have awful voice acting but they do have their charm. Kind of like the original Resident Evil.
Great new series, Mark.
It's not a series yet but it may become one. I'm still thinking about it.
Are there any rom dumps of the taikanban or beta version?
Sure, try the Hidden Palace Zone or places like that.
Literal nostalgia.
I sense 1st place trophy for Mark. After seeing he pro gaming skills in action, is there any doubt why he's the best the UK/Japan has to offer. 8^)
Anthony.
If only I was as good as I was 20 years ago.
While some colors look good on Taikenban version, the final build is more faithful to the arcade in terms of color.
Also the skins of civilians and humans look dead on the Taikenban version. While the final build did have more lively skin, the dead civilians you find here and there still used the old dead looking skin textures.
Also even the final build had botched hit detection on Saturn. They did fix it in pc port but I wonder if it was really due to saturns hardware or they coudlnt get the hit detection right due to time constraints?
Some textures looked higher res on beta build. And the void cover on the floor that you shot off in the begining of stage 2, looks better on beta.
Ecxept fot the zombie dogs I guess, they're colored more faithfully in the Taikenban build.
I never had an issue with hit detection on the Saturn game. I have only ever played the Japanese version mind you. Maybe it was fixed for that release?
@@RetroCore Maybe? I played only EU and US version of HoD 1 on saturn.
It's worth mentioning since childhood I've been playing on pc, so I had hod1 on pc. And then on 2013 I finally got to emulate model 2 version.
It was only in late 2013 that I finally got my hands on saturn port. And immediately I noticed the worse hit detection.
But, it's highly possible that it's an emulation issue [I tried 3 different emulators] or maybe just the lower framerate confusing me? I'll have to lock the pc port to low framerate and see if I feel same thing for hit detection there.
I'll also have to get my hands on the Jap version cause like you said, it's possible that Jap release got it fixed.
Beta vs final? Sounds like that could become a new series
Edit: btw, FIRST! (Don't you just hate people just typing that and nothing else?)
Geo Belmont Yeah I’d definitely like to see more stuff like this.
Actually I was first because I check the video before uploading it :p
I may do more Beta VS Final if this proves to be popular enough.
@@RetroCore Battle of the Versions.. 😝
Maybe at first they wanted to make it look more like the arcade knowing how the textures looks in the beta.....i may be wrong tho
also this is one of my favorite childhood arcades, at first i used to be scared of it but couldn't stopped playing it xD
I think the original house of the Dead is the best.
Aaaaah, don't king yourself Mark. We no you still the greatest on what you do. 8^)
Anthony..
Man this game fucking rocks
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Do you guys celebrate halloween in Japan?? 🎃
Not really. I mean, they have the decorations and that but nobody really goes trick or treating.
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They must have been in a terrible hurry, when you think the beta was just a mere month before the final. And one would say, it was really a "beta" in a sense of the word ;)
It's quite a horrible conversion, for a hard to program machine. Virtua Cop(s) were much better conversions!
Maybe I'll try to get an light gun to my Saturn one day ;) Would be nice to test the Sega light gun games on a real Saturn with CRT...
Miika Suominen if you can find them for a good price pick them up. It is so much better to play with a light gun. I was lucky when I found two Saturn Stunners on clearance at funcoland when they were getting rid of there Saturn stuff. I actually got the arcade wheel and Virtua Stick at the same time too. Sorry I’m not trying brag. 😉
Thankfully Saturn House of the Dead plays really well. If you get the chance you should buy it.
@@RetroCore I have original Virtua Cop 2, it came with the machine when I bought it. I bought an Action Replay cartridge and installed Pseudo Saturn Kai to it. And also have downloaded about all the (USA) games for it. I actually don't really care about buying original games to old consoles... I like to use original hardware, but pouring silly amount of money to old games to them... Naah....
Yes, HOTD on Saturn is ugly as he**, but indeed does play really well :) That is true ;)
Sadly, if you live in the states even a crappy NES cart with a ripped label cost way too much. The sort of stuff we'd just give away here.
@@RetroCore Well, not in USA ;) Finland, but the prices are very high here also, on retro things... And why I mainly get older games as an USA-version, is because of speed. As an UK born, you know the sad state how most PAL-games mostly just ran that 10% slower... Now, when one knows about things like that, I intend not to suffer of the wrong speed anymore ;)
Nah man, Hotel Mario, Dark Castle on Sega Genesis, Big Rigs:Over the Road Racing, & Bubsy 3D are even scarier.
NOTE:This was a joke.
But Bubsy was scary in that it was actually kind of popular.
@@RetroCore Well, at least Japan didn't get Bubsy 3D, nor the Mario & Zelda CDI games.
Please do more of these.
I'd like to. I will be doing more over the next year.
Wasn't this game released in 1996?
Yes, I made mistake.
How could anyone do this ?
What do yoh mean?
Green blood?
Yep, didn't you know zombies had green blood 😜. Sadly, the home version needed a code to get red bloody.
@@RetroCore Arcade is Uncensored, and PC Version has Blood Color Change Option, For Arcade Experience, choose Red Blood, or for Saturn Experience, choose Green Blood.
Sorry, but it's not 60fps. This is surprising since you upload 60fps videos every week and you labelled this one specifically as 60fps. Interesting vid though, didn't know a beta was out there, but it'd be nice to see it actually in 60fps. :)
Seems there was an issue with the upload. I'll check my source files as this should be 60fps. If not I'll remove the 60fps label.
Man they really fluffed this... they could of done a really good job with this.... patch work quilt textures etc
If I knew how to I'd take the Arcade textures then convert them in to a format understood by the Saturn.
@@RetroCore I doubt the Saturn has enough vram to hold the higher res arcade textures
Great video, but it's not 60 fps.
It should be. Maybe youtube haven't encoded the 60fps stream yet. Possibly by the time you read this comment the 60fps stream should be on line.
Wonder what taikenban means
It means Trial Version.
So basically it just two Versions of the Saturn Version. 😒
Nope, 3 versions. What did you expect? The title card shows the Saturn screen shots and Saturn logo.
@@RetroCore Oh.
SEGA best games on ARCADE
Sega are what made the arcades in my opinion.
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The Dreamcast version was terrible tbh
You mean Saturn version
beeta
I'm not American. We don't say Bayta, we say Beeta which is the same pronunciation as the original latan sound, beta.
登場人物の顔色が悪い体験版
Both are trash model 2 version is the best