Hey Roy, thanks I got a chuckle when I walked in and turned on my laptop while having lunch. I've just spent the morning attempting to forge weld chain links and only had one partial success. I think the oxygen may be an issue. Many thanks
Scale and too much oxygen in the fire seem to be major culprits indirectly behind being too slow to set the weld. That's pretty much my take from these teachings. Appreciate your instruction immensely. Blessed days sirSir, Crawford out
I think you just covered almost every mistake I have made! I’m sure something I have cocked up you have never even thought of but I will keep trying and after watching this success might not be too far away! Thank you!
Fantastic description for troubleshooting your welds. I wish I had seen this years ago when I had welds frustrate me almost to tears.... Great one Roy!
New mantra: 'Speed and Clean' (flip if necessary) . I'm impressed you 'stuck it' at the end with two scuzzy pieces of steel. Thanks for your excellent guidance. I'll try again when it warms up a bit Apr/May. Cheers.
The number 1 reason my welds don't take is clinker in the fire blocking the air holes.The fire won't come up to a welding heat and I burn the steel. Also if there was to much flux on the piece my instructor Malcolm Paine would sometimes tap the pieces on edge on the anvil as they came out of the fire to remove the excess flux. Touching the pieces together in the fire and seeing if they stick is a great tip for beginners. Great videos by the way.
Great tutorial Roy. I have only forge welded a hand full of times. One went real well, the others not so much. I have the burn scars to prove just how much flux I used lol. I also did a weld where I was informed that the two metals don’t weld well and have to be done at a specific temp with very little room for error so I only tried that one once lol. Again, thank you for sharing this 👍🏼
Thus is so helpful. I'm just starting out and managed to make my first forge weld on my first real attempt. But I've got a lot of mill scale in between the pieces. I think this video is going to help me get better forge welds
Thanks for very informative video I have subscribed. I am a fairly good oxy welder and as such have a good handle on oxidising neutral and carburising flames, you also get to see the metal right up to the point of melting. Your video has given me a better understanding of forge welding and I’m keen to have a go. Thank you
@Sam Towns, Blades, hey man sorry I missed your live feed, out of signal range, but I did the whole replay! 😁😁😁 Heal well with expedience my brother Blessed days sirSir, Crawford out. P.S. I dont know if its available in WA, but I've had great success with a product called Horesmans Dream veterinarian cream. Lanolin based w A D E vitamins. It has worked well drastically reducing scares from lacerations and deep burns. Just another option to consider. Wouldn't be neighborly if I didn't at least share it w you. Yeah, hate the scrubbing, those sux worse than the burn.
Very good video as always! I'm sure this will help quite a lot of people out with forge welding. You made a lot of very good points. It's not as east as an old saying goes.. "Get it hotter than Hades, and beat the Devil out of it" 😂
Thanks for another very good video Roy. You guys have got me hooked. My shop is a steel fabrication shop, but I’m certianly going to try to add forging.
Good stuff in that video. I found my gas forge was not consistantly getting to welding temp by tapping peices together. Coal forge is my go to for welding.
I tried forgewelding an foldet axe head. Therefor i inserted a damascus bit for the edge. The damascus is fine but it did not stick with the foldet parts of the axehead. As i suspect after watching the video it took to much time from forge to anvil always again. Thanks these are helpful informations!
Definitely! I find a ton of uses for a little "traveling anvil" around the shop. If I'm working on a frame or something and it needs a tap tap, I hold the block behind the section to support it while hammering, for example.
Thanks for sharing this kind of information. Been watching your videos for awhile have a question. Is there a reason all your loots have a band of green tape on them?
He has mentioned that a few times in his videos, it's so at a glance he can keep track of what tools are his when he is doing live demonstrations, and the like.
What’s the best way to reduce the oxygen in the fire? Single piece steel forging I can do easily, but I get to much oxygen in my coal forge for welding.
I'll put in my two cents here, for what it's worth.. I know of two possible solutions to that. One is to keep the steel fairly high in the fire. There is a lot less oxygen on the upper part than where the air comes into the fire deeper in the firepot. The other is as the steel is just about at forging heat turn off the blower, and let it reach the last little bit by soaking us residential heat to just get that last little bit without the blower on. I'm sure there is other options, but these are the most common that I know of.
I recently had a failed Damascus billet I was trying to forge. I heard somewhere the steel will get hotter faster if you position the stack so they are vertical instead of horizontal so that the heat from the flame will hit each individual plate. I tried this method but after you said that flux can get stuck in between the layers makes me think that that was my problem... The flux was just seeping down in between the layers and messed up the weld. Is there any truth to this?
Awesome Video y'all thank you for putting this information out in the most simplest of terms and techniques. I tell ya. Its like Flippin on the computer/ laptop/tablet or what have you and I have a shop instructor. Thanks again .
Can to much oxygen be an indication of the fire pot being to shallow and not having enough burn able metal between the great and your piece that you are trying to forge weld are all forge welds the same or are the done a different way like a circle a chain or a corner weld and the many other types of forge weld because i find some i can get a lot easier than others do i just need to practice more to improve the consistency of the quality of my welds
I’m using a propane forge. Would it be better to have a coal or coke forge for forge welding? I’m really struggling, I’m also at 7000 feet of elevation.
Hay ; Today building 2 tommohawks from lawnmower blade tried many time to forge but failed.I did scrub with brush later tried borax many times ...so I will rivet at head and ark weld Next time I'll grind clean But I will try many more times Thanks Roy
I forge weld every day. The issue I have , for some reason is forge welding RR spikes? I clean them and prep them but for some reason I’m successful only about 50% of the time
There are a lot of famous youtube channels that makes damascus steel in way to low temperatures, they bang it together with powerhammers or presses and create a semi mechanical and semi forge weld. If the pieces does not stick together just with touch there wont be a clean forge weld. Thanks for the input of oxygene, have not thought of that before, maybe that's why I fail more often from coke fuel then from cole, cole probably eats more oxygene.
Take and put your steel in the forge, then take and pull it out. Take and hammer on it, but if it doesn't weld, take and figure out what you did wrong. Take and brush the scale off before you take and use some borax, then take and put it back in your forge. Take and pay attention, now. Take and pull it out and take and pound on it awhile. Take and brush it off again. *Take and take and take and take and take and take and take and take and...*
A deep enough fire to use up the oxygen. A shallow fire or puting the material too close to the air supply. Clinker. All reasons forge welds fail. A rare one. Poor quality steel. I had an entire 20 foot bar of hot rolled A36 that was unweldable. I bought 2 bars at that time. The other welded just fine.
My problem for the longest time was that I was misinformed! I knew a smith and the only way he got it to stick, and I don't know how. But he did what you told us not to do! somehow he would drown it in flux, get it like a 4th of July sparkler and BAM! no light tapping! and it would stick! I could never do it...It was only last summer after watching you demo it at the conference did I get it to work! 1 was a saddle ring, the other was what they call a faggot weld (oh how I hate that term!)
It's funny how easy it CAN look, there is alot of factors that can mess it up. I am still practicing, im so so. Thank you Roy.
"I wouldn't trust my life to that weld" honestly is the best policy. That's what makes your videos great
Last weeks video and this one makes me convinced i had the blower cracked too high last time i forged. Thanks for all you do Roy.
The forged in fire show needs to see this video.
Hey Roy, thanks I got a chuckle when I walked in and turned on my laptop while having lunch. I've just spent the morning attempting to forge weld chain links and only had one partial success. I think the oxygen may be an issue. Many thanks
Excellent. I am starting to become more confident about forge welding, thanks for the good pointers!
Very informative, I have little to no experience with forge welding. I learned a lot Roy, take care and God bless brother!
I've been strugling with welds just exactly the way you explain them mistakes. Thanks a lot sir !
Thanks Roy for taking the time to instruct. As I am a green coal instructor for our forge group. These videos help me help my students. Kudos
Glad it can be a resource for your students!
Scale and too much oxygen in the fire seem to be major culprits indirectly behind being too slow to set the weld. That's pretty much my take from these teachings.
Appreciate your instruction immensely.
Blessed days sirSir, Crawford out
Sounds like you have the concept of what I've been saying..hope it will help you in your welding experience. God bless
I think you just covered almost every mistake I have made! I’m sure something I have cocked up you have never even thought of but I will keep trying and after watching this success might not be too far away! Thank you!
Fantastic description for troubleshooting your welds. I wish I had seen this years ago when I had welds frustrate me almost to tears.... Great one Roy!
New mantra: 'Speed and Clean' (flip if necessary) . I'm impressed you 'stuck it' at the end with two scuzzy pieces of steel. Thanks for your excellent guidance. I'll try again when it warms up a bit Apr/May. Cheers.
The number 1 reason my welds don't take is clinker in the fire blocking the air holes.The fire won't come up to a welding heat and I burn the steel. Also if there was to much flux on the piece my instructor Malcolm Paine would sometimes tap the pieces on edge on the anvil as they came out of the fire to remove the excess flux.
Touching the pieces together in the fire and seeing if they stick is a great tip for beginners.
Great videos by the way.
I'm going to get into blacksmithing as a hobby and thank you so much for your information
Great tutorial Roy. I have only forge welded a hand full of times. One went real well, the others not so much. I have the burn scars to prove just how much flux I used lol. I also did a weld where I was informed that the two metals don’t weld well and have to be done at a specific temp with very little room for error so I only tried that one once lol. Again, thank you for sharing this 👍🏼
Thus is so helpful. I'm just starting out and managed to make my first forge weld on my first real attempt. But I've got a lot of mill scale in between the pieces. I think this video is going to help me get better forge welds
Thanks for very informative video I have subscribed. I am a fairly good oxy welder and as such have a good handle on oxidising neutral and carburising flames, you also get to see the metal right up to the point of melting. Your video has given me a better understanding of forge welding and I’m keen to have a go. Thank you
thanks for the video. ..my first attempt at forge welding has been trying to make a fold over axe. I think I have done all the things you covered
Thanks Roy, these have helped me out. Always have trouble but getting better now.
Glad it's helped!
Thanks Roy, I make all the mistakes you mentioned, hopefully my next try will be successful
Thanks for this one Roy, definitely useful! I'm always struggling with my welds.
@Sam Towns, Blades, hey man sorry I missed your live feed, out of signal range, but I did the whole replay! 😁😁😁
Heal well with expedience my brother
Blessed days sirSir, Crawford out.
P.S. I dont know if its available in WA, but I've had great success with a product called Horesmans Dream veterinarian cream. Lanolin based w A D E vitamins. It has worked well drastically reducing scares from lacerations and deep burns. Just another option to consider.
Wouldn't be neighborly if I didn't at least share it w you.
Yeah, hate the scrubbing, those sux worse than the burn.
i am just getting into it and had no succes so far XD
Thanx Roy for a very informative display about forge welding follies. and how to correct them.....
I just started dabbling in it recently and I had the holiday inn express mindset. Boy was I wrong!😂
I learned a lot from this video.
Very good video as always! I'm sure this will help quite a lot of people out with forge welding. You made a lot of very good points. It's not as east as an old saying goes.. "Get it hotter than Hades, and beat the Devil out of it" 😂
Good saying :)
Thanks for another very good video Roy. You guys have got me hooked. My shop is a steel fabrication shop, but I’m certianly going to try to add forging.
Good stuff in that video. I found my gas forge was not consistantly getting to welding temp by tapping peices together. Coal forge is my go to for welding.
I tried forgewelding an foldet axe head. Therefor i inserted a damascus bit for the edge. The damascus is fine but it did not stick with the foldet parts of the axehead. As i suspect after watching the video it took to much time from forge to anvil always again. Thanks these are helpful informations!
Pro tip: small anvil right on/next the forge just for setting the weld, save yourself 3-6 seconds of heat loss...
Yes, Roy has done that. A large steel block with work also. ~Jessica
Definitely! I find a ton of uses for a little "traveling anvil" around the shop. If I'm working on a frame or something and it needs a tap tap, I hold the block behind the section to support it while hammering, for example.
This was amazing. Thanks so much for taking the time.
Thanks for sharing this kind of information. Been watching your videos for awhile have a question. Is there a reason all your loots have a band of green tape on them?
He has mentioned that a few times in his videos, it's so at a glance he can keep track of what tools are his when he is doing live demonstrations, and the like.
What if you tack weld the pieces before heating so you dont have to set up the weld before striking would thar save time and and does it make sense?
Excellent video! Thank you for the information. Stay safe and keep on moving that metal.
That was super helpful thank you so much.
Your welcome
Thank you for the information!
Thanks for the vedio. Will try it soon
Perfect tutorial Roy. Point blank
Is 1/4" bar stock good to practice with as is, or should I flatten it out before practicing?
Any suggestions on how to get a small charcoal forge hot enough?
What’s the best way to reduce the oxygen in the fire? Single piece steel forging I can do easily, but I get to much oxygen in my coal forge for welding.
I'll put in my two cents here, for what it's worth.. I know of two possible solutions to that. One is to keep the steel fairly high in the fire. There is a lot less oxygen on the upper part than where the air comes into the fire deeper in the firepot. The other is as the steel is just about at forging heat turn off the blower, and let it reach the last little bit by soaking us residential heat to just get that last little bit without the blower on. I'm sure there is other options, but these are the most common that I know of.
@@random40s Yes, too big pieces of coal can mean to large gaps for the oxygen to sneak through.
Excellent thanks for sharing, huge amount of information!
One of the reasons is a slug on tuyere so it obstruct air flow.
I recently had a failed Damascus billet I was trying to forge. I heard somewhere the steel will get hotter faster if you position the stack so they are vertical instead of horizontal so that the heat from the flame will hit each individual plate. I tried this method but after you said that flux can get stuck in between the layers makes me think that that was my problem... The flux was just seeping down in between the layers and messed up the weld. Is there any truth to this?
Awesome Video y'all thank you for putting this information out in the most simplest of terms and techniques. I tell ya. Its like Flippin on the computer/ laptop/tablet or what have you and I have a shop instructor. Thanks again .
Very welcome I'm glad you enjoyed the instruction :-) God bless
Can to much oxygen be an indication of the fire pot being to shallow and not having enough burn able metal between the great and your piece that you are trying to forge weld are all forge welds the same or are the done a different way like a circle a chain or a corner weld and the many other types of forge weld because i find some i can get a lot easier than others do i just need to practice more to improve the consistency of the quality of my welds
I’m using a propane forge. Would it be better to have a coal or coke forge for forge welding? I’m really struggling, I’m also at 7000 feet of elevation.
Great advice Roy!
Good vid is there a trick to get rid of the weld line
Yes there is hoping to address that in a upcoming video :-) thanks for watching
Thankyou Roy. Great instruction again, or is it destruction in a how not to forge weld video?😊
Thanks Roy this video helps.
I'm glad it helps.
I can’t forge weld because I’ve never tried lol but thanks for another tutorial on forge welding!
There's no time like the present to try it :)
Well said Roy.
Well done Roy, Thank You!! Wayne
You're welcome Wayne
Hay ; Today building 2 tommohawks from lawnmower blade tried many time to forge but failed.I did scrub with brush later tried borax many times ...so I will rivet at head and ark weld
Next time I'll grind clean
But I will try many more times
Thanks Roy
I think RUclips is now translating even chanel names, is that chanel chris centered ironworks or cristo centrado ironworks?
Here in germany: Christus zentriete Eisenarbeiten
How do you keep the oxygen out?
great info thanks again
I forge weld every day. The issue I have , for some reason is forge welding RR spikes? I clean them and prep them but for some reason I’m successful only about 50% of the time
Can i forge weld in charcoal?
I love that hammer, where did you get it? it's so old school looking.
Made it :-)
Great thanks just got distracted watching this video and burnt my food in the oven oh well I'll start again
Oh no! Set yourself a timer to check on it :)
Was helpful!
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you
Thank You Roy!!
Thank you so much! I still haven't been able to stick a welf but I'm gonna go fill my tanks tomorrow and give another community college try!
too hard bangs for the initial weld can let the metal jump apart again.
Welding this weekend!
wow did you just weld without flux, amazing
also how to judge welding temp?
Nice anvil!!!
Nice.. thanks.
Great
So, why you need flux if metal welds without it. I always thought, that flux must be poured between metal parts.
This did help me but also confused the heck out of me
But thank you for showing us that same metal you rock buddy
I know my problem is the lack of heat, getting new burner maybe then I can experience the other problem
There are a lot of famous youtube channels that makes damascus steel in way to low temperatures, they bang it together with powerhammers or presses and create a semi mechanical and semi forge weld. If the pieces does not stick together just with touch there wont be a clean forge weld. Thanks for the input of oxygene, have not thought of that before, maybe that's why I fail more often from coke fuel then from cole, cole probably eats more oxygene.
Good vid apart from what youtube did to it! Thank you!
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Sounded like a rant to me. Lmao....
Take and put your steel in the forge, then take and pull it out.
Take and hammer on it, but if it doesn't weld, take and figure out what you did wrong.
Take and brush the scale off before you take and use some borax, then take and put it back in your forge.
Take and pay attention, now.
Take and pull it out and take and pound on it awhile.
Take and brush it off again.
*Take and take and take and take and take and take and take and take and...*
Bravo 👏👏👏👏 now you're taking and getting it 😉
@@ChristCenteredIronworks
Good channel, I'm learning.
Take and keep putting up the videos, please.
I'm sorry, I can't help myself, whats with the green tape?
It's for when I do demostrating and classes so I can tell my tools apart
@@ChristCenteredIronworks oh ok
A deep enough fire to use up the oxygen. A shallow fire or puting the material too close to the air supply. Clinker. All reasons forge welds fail. A rare one. Poor quality steel. I had an entire 20 foot bar of hot rolled A36 that was unweldable. I bought 2 bars at that time. The other welded just fine.
I just failed my first forge weld and I should have watched this first I put way too much flux.
Keep at it! Once it clicks you will be welding everything 🙂
"Twicet"
Definitely too much Flux
My problem for the longest time was that I was misinformed! I knew a smith and the only way he got it to stick, and I don't know how. But he did what you told us not to do! somehow he would drown it in flux, get it like a 4th of July sparkler and BAM! no light tapping! and it would stick! I could never do it...It was only last summer after watching you demo it at the conference did I get it to work! 1 was a saddle ring, the other was what they call a faggot weld (oh how I hate that term!)