Warhammer Fantasy 6th Edition Battle Report | Dwarfs vs Skaven
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- In this 2000pts 6th Ed batrep, Karak Hirn is under siege. The lower halls swarm with Skaven but the Dawi are slowly pushing them back. Upon receiving word that reinforcements, lead by Queek Headtaker, are en route over land, Lord Thorek sends forth his young son Borek to hold them at the pass.
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Although I would agree some more variety would be appreciated, you sir do the clearest and easiest to follow battle reps. 6th Edition armies are the best imo, it gives me such an itch to play it!!
Thanks mate! Kind words much appreciated 🙏🏻
Just found your channel after recently getting back into fantasy. Easily the best channel for fantasy battle reports I've found. Really nicely edited to keep the game pace up and great sportsmanship and narrative thrown in. Warhammer Fantasy is still the GOAT.
Thanks heaps mate! Glad you're enjoying the vids and welcome aboard!
Stos: “Leadership 4, can they hold?”
*rolls a 4*
Me who always rolls high for leadership tests and low for attack rolls: (insert unimpressed man with hands on hips meme)
🤷♂️😅
oh it gets worse
RIP that last Quarreler who drowned in a sea of rats! Absolutely the stuff of horror movies 😱
I know right bloody horrific!
i think he skipped his last leadership test before he was alone, and the last two gutterrunners had a 6+ armoursave no?
Thanks for the great 6th Edition content. Never boring. Keep the reports coming!
Thanks mate! Much appreciated 🙏🏻
I enjoy your narrative about the battle and your comments of events in battle. Adds to the entertainment, having a good laugh with you in those funny moments when dwarves do dwarven things! Like the no show of the miners 😂😂😂
Stoked you enjoy it mate! It's the overall narrative/fantasy of the battle that I enjoy the most.
Wow what a roller-coaster ride that was! I was sure the Skaven were done for after the Turn 2 Dwarf Shooting but surprisingly held their own until the end and could have (should have?) won except for Stos' unbelievable clutch Leadership rolls just when he needed them tipped the scales in his favour. That Special Character really helped bolster the Skaven's attack power. I think Nev should have charged the Rat Swarms into the Dwarf unit threatening the Skaven's flank rather than chase that unit off the board as that would have prevented the panic check and any flank charge for another turn or two...but hindsight is great thing! Anyway another enjoyable batrep - thanks chaps!
Most welcome mate, glad you enjoyed it!
Interesting about the declined challenge BSB. From what I can see you played it correctly by the 6th edition rules. Somewhere in the back of my head I thought that BSBs lost their ability to grant rerolls when refusing a challenge but that's only when it's actually fleeing.
Its a weird area of rules. Characters can't grant leadership when refusing a challenge, but can give BSB rerolls, but not a +1 for holding the banner because they'll no longer be in the front rank, but other magical effects of the banner and other unit effecting magic items would work...
This spurred me to check other editions, 7th and 8th edition seem to have the same as 6th! In the fanmade Warhammer Armies Project and The 9th Age a BSB wouldn't grant the reroll, that must be what I'm remembering.
I forget if the unit champion was still alive at that point. If he was, the skaven player could have forced the champion to decline the challenge and would have been able to hit the BSB.
@benneem do you have a page number or errata for that? I had the same question and can't find anything in BRB or errata. WFB Discord 6th channel also doesn't seem to have clear cut. Best I've been able to get so far is "it doesn't say you can't", which is unsatisfactory - it doesn't seem in the spirit of the BSB to get the effects from a cowering fellow!
This awesome, cracking battle, and brilliantly done. God I miss Fantasy.
What an exciting bit of narrative! I was hooked, so cool that the ironbreakers held:O
Awesome game as always - the Skaven bringing the cheese with all those anti-dwarf magic items 😅
You know them rats. Love the cheese 🧀
these last two battles have been the best in a while. Really like the different scenarios
Cheers mate!
Wow, those ironbreakers sure held on to the very end!
THE UNBREAKABLES!!
That was a nail biter there! Those skaven put up one heck of a fight! Too bad the miners took a wrong turn at Albuquerque. Maybe the map was upside down or something? I would have loved to see them get stuck in. Also, those old school skaven models have a charm of their own. Excellent work!
What a game, random rolls weave a story. The narrations had me laughing, from rats in beards to the poor miners, superb. Well played and very enjoyable to watch, thanks for the fun.
Glad you enjoyed it mate!
Sneaky victory for Dwarfs?! We don't want want no victory for hairy shorties! Curses curses - Release the doom engine against their hold!
Thanks mates for this wonderful battle report! Continue with this great content!
Bit of a pointer for next time, the storm banner only affects non-magical warmachines. The reasoning is presumably so that skaven can still shoot a warplightning cannons, weapons teams etc. (because warpstone is magical) while it's active but it also means a dwarf warmachine with at least one rune can shoot as normal!
Ah, I misunderstood that, I thought it was casting of magic spells that was unaffected
@@nevillebrackenreg4037 You are actually correct. The errataed effect reads that "No flying movement is allowed and all missile fire is at -2 to hit. All war machines and other ranged attacks that do not use BS may only fire if the player first rolls a 4+ on a D6 (roll for each model). Magic missiles and other ranged spells are not affected." Magic missile is a very specific game term - a spell or spell like effect which targets like a missile weapon - and does not simply refer to magical missile weapons. All ranged weapons and war machines are affected whether magical or not.
@@UnciaAmethice ah, thank you, that does make the banner more usefull
for years we've been playing 7th edition now... since a view weeks, watching your video I really want to try 6th edition armybook again :) Thanks!
the most fitting and perfect skaven and dwarf ending! Love it!
Incredibly lore appropriate right! 🤣
What an amazing classic Skaven army, love it! Great battle too, Dwarf Ironbreakers did what Ironbreakers are supposed to do!
I miss 6th edition Warp Cannon.
Great memories of a flanking long lightning shoot of Strength 2 and 6 wounds killing 2 characters
Those cannons are nasty indeed!
Best fight ever. Poland is watchin you Chanel ❤️
fun game, LD 4 passed! no magic skaven lucky to hold on that long, plauge sensor and pestelient breath could have ground those iron breakers down as well! fun to watch 6th ed! thanks guys
Another great battle report. I really enjoy seeing the new troops and new army lists you are bringing. Keep it up!
Thanks mate!
Great battle report, but reminds me why as a dwarf player I hated playing skaven, so much ability to be anti-dwarf and also reminds me why I don't like special characters. But still great battle report as always.
looking forward to seeing some larger point battles in the future
Love the battle rep 🐀⚔️🤴 BTW Jezzails are reliable which means every time they roll a 1 to hit they have to check if they are not hitting themselves
Ah cool cool. Glad you enjoyed it mate!
Lovely game, you are great players and 6th edition community builders! Cheers!
Cheers mate, glad you enjoyed it!
Agreed!
“Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory” 😂
Love seeing giant rats. I always took 2 fat units of them. 1 for each flank. They rip light cavalry to shreds.
I am truly heart broken. I swear the skaven played like the jaguars 😢
Yes the dice were not with the Skaven, but Queek survived the battle, and will be back!
Amazing shaven army. Just outstanding well done. Thanks for bringing it on the table
Stunning right! Great work by Nev!
doesn't look that shaven to me. Pretty hairy actually. But excellent nonetheless :)
Hahahaha!
@@jarekwestermark7160 I won’t edit and I regret nothing 😅 ah ah ah good one mate
Big fan of that Skaven army!
Recognizing this is an old one (but new to me!), but Stos did you give any thought to defended obstacles (attackers hit on 6s if I recall) for the flank charges over the fences? Probably wouldn't have changed outcome as general still failed panic, but curious how you guys were thinking about them.
Dwarven standard bearer must take Slayer oath after that shameful act of cowardice
I was reading through my old 6th ed rulebook and notices a mistake. Skirnishers do get the rear attack or flank attack bonus in close combat, they just dont negate rank bonuses. So the gutter runners should have has a +2 to their combat result against the dwarf gunners, tipping the result in rat favour a couple of times
You need a unit strength of at least five to get the rear/flank combat res bonus, and unit strength is calculated after the combat is fought. So no bonus for them.
I stand corrected. Wonderful armies on both sides btw, glad to see they got playtime
@@rogueelementgaming You don't get to stand and shoot as the gutter runners are too close.
I'd love to see a 2 vs 2 battle.
Something like dwarfs + empire or Bretonen or dwarfs. Where the dwarfs have been xalled in and can repay a 100 year pld debt. Enemies could be skaten and orcs or somethinhg. They are Attacken an important farm/mill/mine
U forgot the panic test for those guys the thunderers shot
Hi great battle report!! I have One question for u! You recording with phone camera?
No sir. Camcorder.
Two questions:
Can you have an empire player come in?
Have you tried warhammer armies project? And if you have what do you think of it?
Mate, I'd love to have an Empire player on the channel. Just haven't had the opportunity yet. Though wheels are in motion.
I've not tried Warhammer Armies Project. But it does look pretty good. I'd be relatively happy if the re launch of Fantasy followed it fairly closely.
I love your contest, but it slowly starts gettin a litte boring to watch different enemys marchin against a dwarfen shootingline. Maybe its time for a new army to play? Greets from bavaria
THAT'S GOING IN THE BOOK!
I do agree. Love dwarves but would really like to see some other forces.
Agreed. Dwarfs always make it a grind. Something else will help.
THE BOOK!!!
Bah! You’re a durned fool pointy ear if ya listen to that.
With so many games where skirmishers butcher artillery and ranged dwarfs units, I would suggest to keep one small unit behind the frontline as a response force, maybe ranged as to not being useless when not intercepting.
Not a bad idea indeed sir.
that skaven general is a beast m8....i'd have run from him truth be told......great bat rep...
Thanks chief! If I face him again, I might just do that 😜
man those skaven had the tenacity of dwarfs in this fight
why didnt the clan eshin strike the rear of the ironbreakers to eliminate their rank bonus?
You should've taken the banner that disables the skaven army.
Didnt u win a combat in the first rund of meele. Therefor there u go first?
There is +2 combat resolution for attacking the back of the unit, so gutter runners should have won their combat against thunderers ;)
Damn it! I confused the skirmishers don't break ranks rule with not getting the combat res for rear/flank charges rule. 😞
You need a unit strength of 5 to claim this bonus. They were only 4 rats left after the combat.
Ah of course!
It's a shame your new unit played such a miner role hehe
Bahahahahah 😂🤣😂😂
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Nasty 2k Skaven
I've watched a few of your battle reps now and despite the dwarf focus, I think these are the best 6ed battle reps I've seen. Also I love seeing non-pitched battle scenarios(pitched battles get so boring after a while)! Any chance of trying some of the asymmetrical scenarios like ambush, last stand or rearguard?
Also, those last few break tests were insane, haha.
Thanks mate! Defs keen to try some of the other scenarios!
Really nice to see those old, classic Skaven. Those I admired in the WDs before i joined WHFB from Farty K.. But the newer, 2000-ish was released shortly after.. I still like these old ones. But I never played them. Too weedy.. ;)
If i remember correct u cannot use ur shield if u just Choke stand and shiot. But i am not sure
Great job guys, thanks for the battle rep!
Welcome mate!
Keep ‘em coming mate. Look forward to these popping up. 🍺
Thanks mate! 🍻
Couldnt u have piled in after the first eins of combat with the thunderers
Skewed into anti dwarf? Who isn't anti dwarf?!?!?!?! :O
Much excite excite!
Go go rat friends!
Shots fired!
I am not sure but i think he can use his Banner only on his turn
What an amazing game! I am glad to see that you pulled it out in the end. 😁
To be honest, the skaven anti-dwarf hero felt like he may have been a bit too much... Have you considered ignoring all his challenges? Send your unit champ to the back, fight with the other characters, win with combat resolution? Or was that too cowardly a tactic for the dwarves?
Thanks mate! It was a suuuuper tight game. If I don't except the challenge it's my opponent that chooses who goes to the back rank.
@@rogueelementgaming Got it! Big disadvantage.
Still.. may have been worth it though.. considering the killing power of that monster rat? Especially the no armour safe part was brutal!
it seems slightly dishonest to have your dice face up in hand and thumb and fondle them around before throwing. also because you can avoid the numbers on the sides of the dice. good form would be to hold them face down like your opponent. very cool game i loved the unit variety, setup and movement
i love your stuff! Im just stuck playing with people who blatantly set all their dice in hand to intentional numbers and will do anything to skew the game. :c much happier games to watch here!
In turn 2 u forgot to shoot with the crosbows
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I gotta say, there's some good content here buuut seeing every game be a static dwarf gunline shooting at everything (either always seeming to have the first turn and/or have all the hills) gets a little dull IMO. Would love to see some games that don't always play to their strengths and maybe that force them to adapt to different situations.
Did you see the last game where we had to fight over a central objective?
@@rogueelementgaming When are you bringing out the big gun, the legend himself, Thorek Ironbrow?
If/when I buy, build and paint him my man!
@@rogueelementgaming I did, it was a fantastic game! Having the dwarves so far up the board to start was obviously to account for their low movement but also meant that tactically not much changed since they were where they needed to be in the first half of the game (regardless of the final result). As I said love the content and it's your channel but I suppose seeing an army use 1-2 phases for each game doesn't showcase it's potential. How about getting that baggage train out and having an ambush as the Dwarves travel between holds or perhaps they themselves finally wreak vengeance on a Necromancer who has been raiding their catacombs for corpses and have them surrounding a force in the middle of the board?
I'm very new to this. 6th Ed is not AOS?
No sir. 6th Ed is an older edition of Warhammer Fantasy, which was the original Fantasy battle game before it was discontinued and replaced with AOS.
Amazing game! So many great moments that led up to that pivotal combat, it had me grinning
Also burst out laughing with those miner rolls 😂
Can I ask where the mat is from? Cheers
Thanks mate, glad you enjoyed it!
I get all my mats from here www.tablewar.com.au/
Maybe try that game the other way round?
Turn 4 u forgot the panic test
Awesome game man! One question though. Why do you take precisely 19 models in a unit instead of 20?
Thanks mate! Because I have the intention of putting a character in the unit, making it a clean block of 20
Right, haven't thought of that. Cheers!
On turn 4 skaven u would have gone fiest becauae u have better Initiative.
And u shoukd have made a panic test for the shoots u took
Probably getting the order wrong here, but if the gutter runners charged first wouldn't that prevent the stand and shoot?
No, the active player declares all charges at the same time, then before any chargers are moved the units being charged declare their response, Stand and Shoot, Flee or Hold. Once all the responses have been performed, then the chargers are moved
@@nevillebrackenreg4037 happy to be corrected. Not sure how but I had confused the order of play and couldn't work out why you'd not get the rear charge off first!
AFAIK, to stand and shoot you have to be able to target ALL the charging units. If at least one unit cannot be selected (los) you can't declare it. I could be wrong but I think is clarified in a faq.
EDITED
But, dont u need line of sight for stand and shoot?
@@KriegHammer yes they had Line of Sight to the Plague Censer Bearers, which they fired at and killed
Those miners! 😆
The curse of the newly painted is a thing!
So sad 😞
So I was thinking 'what else can dwarves field, what haven't we seen yet? Maybe some slayers!', only the realize the slayers weren't in the game today?! What's this, what's going on??
Hahaha thought I'd sub them out for a game.
@@rogueelementgaming slayers are amazing, but even if it "hurts" your chances I respect your decision of putting miners. Definitely need to bring them back and see if they remember how to mine 😅
Thanks!
I think you missed a +2 to combat resolution at 1:12:30 for a charge from behind so the rats should have won this fight.
Yes we both missed that one 🤔
You need a unit strength of 5 to claim this bonus. They were only 4 rats left after the combat.
@@otariman The only thing I find in the rules is that if a unit is less then unit strength 5, they dont negate de bonus ranks of the unit they are flanking or attacking from behind (p.73) I dont see anything about needing to be unit strenght 5 to get the flank or rear Bonus. If you could tell me what page to look for I would appreciate. Thanks.
@@jean-christophebilodeau5455 Page 73 1st paragraph under the +1 Flank attack => "... yo may add +1 bonus so long as your unit has a US of five or more." And under +2 rear attack => "The same comment apply as for a flank attack to units attacking in the rear"
great game i love how your really a good sport about things I hope you gents do a rematch
Cheers mate!
What state do you guys play in?
I'm in QLD mate
@@rogueelementgaming In brisbane?
Support Stos guys and girls :)
You're a champion mate! Cheers! 🍻🏆
Love it !
Thanks mate!
Jezzail have to low of a bs to hit anything so they are a waste of pts.
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Great battle report. However a few mistakes because I think you were rushing. First, the dwarf crossbows should have done a morale check after the Jessails cut them down to 2 models and critically the Skaven Warlord should have rerolled misses at the 1:45 mark. So the dwarves should have broken on a ‘4’. It is clear that the host was rushing the Skaven player so much that he missed this. So, great report but the errors decided the game.
Queek only re rolls misses in challenges my man. No re rolls against the Iron Breakers.
@@rogueelementgaming Apologies. Thank you for setting me straight. Again, really enjoyed the bat rep.
Took me a few days to wqtch it.. I really sucked on this caramel.. :) Gotta love, -ish, the miners not showing up untill.. Yeah, newly painted syndrome. :)
Why QueekHeadtaker can have the Foul pendant? Isn't he equipped with only Gouger Dwarf Slayer and Warpstone Armour?
I was using the equipment listed for Queek on Page 118 of the Chronicles 2003 book, he has The Gouger, Dwarf Slayer, Warpstone Armour and The Foul Pendant included in his 300 points cost
@@nevillebrackenreg4037 O gosh you totally right! i got the chronicles but always used armybuilder to make armylists... and in that list they forgot the foul pendant, good to know :D
Why Gutter Runners have 6+ armour save?! am i missing some updates in 6th edition skaven rules?!
Good question! Gutter Runners have no armour, so no armour save...
Sorry my fault, I usually play this army in 5th ed and always give the Gutter Runners light armour, so I just automatically said 'yes they have 6+ save' forgetting they dont get the option in 6th ed
I hope he will be back with more armies? :)
Wonderful, another one! :D
Yeah boy! Hope you enjoy it.
@@rogueelementgaming I love da stunties, just miss your manly and super-cool orcs (&Goblins) though.. ;)
Thanks!
Thank you so much dude!
@@rogueelementgaming I really like your content dude. I have some really old Nippon minis, not enough for an army but still kinda cool.