Tactical Squads - the Iconic Space Marine Unit | Warhammer 40k 2nd edition
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- A metal Tactical Squad circa 1992, painted as Imperial Fists
In this video I'll discuss the miniatures and their rules in second edition Warhammer 40k.
Let’s load our bolters and prepare to rapid fire.
The paints I used are:
1. Citadel
Contrast Imperial Fist
Thunderhawk Blue
Fenrisian Grey
Nuln Oil
Trollslayer Orange
Flashgitz Yellow
2. Vallejo
Tan Earth
Flat Brown
Flat Blue
Dark Vermillion
Dark Sand
Black
White
Orange Red
Golden Yellow
3. Army Painter
Gun Metal
Goblin Green
Barbarian Flesh
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Nothing will ever be more quintessentially 40k than a classic Tactical Squad.
And a Brit Fella Painting it
@@franciscoambrosio6311that!
These Tactical Marines and how versatile they could be really remind me how much better it would be if Primaris were just a model range refresh rather than Aspect Marines....
Big agree
The Aspect Marine design logic just fucking boggles the mind.
@@nakenmil "Hey we have too many units that do the same thing in the codex and too many marine boxes as stock keeping units, what should we do?"
"Let's make a squad with all flamethrowers now."
hence why lore wise my custom chapter runs their primaris the same as their first born squads
Fully agree. The Primaris are somehow a downgrade to the classic Marines.
Not now babe, Miniscape just uploaded.
Who's "Babe"?
@@darvinzoinks9336 in the grim dark future of 40k players, there are no babes, only dudes
The Babe with the power.@@darvinzoinks9336
The babe with the power.@@darvinzoinks9336
The Babe with the power?!
Oh yeah. This is what I'm about. As much as I appreciate how much detail and artistry goes into modern GW sculpts, I really like the look of 2nd/3rd ed minis where they are as much game pieces as they are sculptures, and made with that emphasis on silhouettes that looked at home on a power metal album. I miss the banners. My first ever kit that I bought was a Tactical Squad, on the recommendation of a GW store employee. I was interested in Marines, and the guy pointed out that it's a universally useful unit due to being a 10-man kit with a good heavy weapon that works as anti-tank or anti-infantry, and a special weapon that is almost always useful.
I came back to the hobby 2 years ago and have a lot of first born. I made my first five Primaris marines ready and the Sergeant has a banner, every thing else is heresy! ;)
As someone of a similar vintage, I’ve been really enjoying your videos. It really takes me back to my youth, a simpler time without responsibilities.
Back then I collected Eldar and boy do I regret getting rid of them!
Yeah I know the feeling. Thanks buddy.
The good thing about being an old-school Eldar player is that most of those models are still available from GW because they've never been refreshed!
@@keiosthat’s very true. They aged really well too. Though I miss the old War Walkers, Dreadnoughts and the classic Avatar which came on a square base. There is something charming about the old metal miniatures.
Back in 2005 or 2006 that squad was my very first Warhammer purchase. Still got em, still love em. Great vid
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Not many people know this but they’re called tactical squads because they were discovered by Arkhan Tactical.
I much prefer the older names for spacemarine squads, tactical squads being adaptable and "tactical" on the battlefield, scouts being scouts, devastators devastating the battlefield, Land Raiders raiding the land, and Land Speeders speeding across the land 😉 etc
I really can't get my head around the primaris names, what's the role of intercessors? To intercede on the battlefield? What does that even mean?
I wholeheartedly agree
100% agree. It was clear and easy to understand.
Bike squad eh? Huh, wonder whats in that
@@anthonyshannon7559 not sure, must be the squad led by Arhkan Bike
Hate every aspect of primaris marines...
Random, but my favorite blister pack memory:
In 2nd Ed, I was playing a friend at a local gaming store. My Imperial Guard vs his Marines. He used to write his army lists at the store, so it wasn’t until we were both there that he realized he would need to play 50pts or so either short or over due to what he brought.
I’d been wanting an extra command squad anyways, so I bought a Tallarn officer blister, a Tallarn special weapons blister, and a regular Tallarn blister.
They were all one-piece metals, and if the metal tabs weren’t thick enough to stay snug in the slottabase, you could use pliers, snips (without snipping), or a table edge to bend the tab to make it fit snug.
IE, no need for clippers or glue to assemble them. Just popped them out of the blister, table edge to bend tabs as needed, and I had an unpainted squad ready to go.
I’ll always find one-piece and few-piece metals superior to the modern plastic kits. As much as I love the current Bloodletter kit, 8 parts per model is just soul killing (the new Mechanicum thralls at 12-ish parts each are even worse!).
Combat squads were a god send to child me, i never received pocket money so I'd often save up change from school lunch money to buy the occasional combat squad.
I also miss those blister boxes, i don't know what it was but those metal models have so much character and charm to them
Wonderful video, there’s nothing more nostalgic for me than putting down terribly painted 3rd Edition Dark Angels on a green felt mat to play.
It was a simpler time.
Thank you 😊
Greetings and Salutations! Always a pleasure to get another blast from the past. Or the present, as I am still building and painting this generation of Space Marines. I had the Strike Force and the Devastators, probably the first metal/plastic hybrids; also the Blood Angels, Ultramarines and the Blood Claws plus quite a few blister packs. Thank you and all the best, Billi.
I bought the Dark Angels Tactical Squad in 1995. My friend got the Blood Angels Death Company. And i am 99% sure that i had at least one beaky-marine in my box, even though there is none on the box art.
I keep the banner tradition alive with my primaris marines. The Sergeant will always have a banner!
It just looks cool and it helps to see what they are from far away, helps with Apocalypse games
And here I had a bad day, but at least it ends with another enjoyable video.
Thanks ;)
Hope the video helped
@@Miniscape-wh40k Indeed 😊
I was watching this video in bed and my wife said “are you watching toys?”. I thoroughly enjoyed this one, Matthew. I thoroughly enjoy them all.
Thank you sir. I am glad you do.
Those Marine masters got so much use. Not only are they used for the metal and plastic Tactical Marines for 2nd Ed, but they were clearly the basis for most of the 2nd ed Chaos Marine sculpts as well.
another banger.
Thank you mate
Was about to go to bed because I got a very early morning ahead of me. Guess I'm staying up for another 31 minutes.
Guess you are 😅
I desperately want those “Space Marines, Warriors of the imperium”.
I love their poses, I love that they look like the metal marines, but are just plastic.
They’re my dream marines.
I travelled back in to the early 90's seeing this...
nostalgia hitting hard on this one. reminding me of my plague marines from late 90s early 2000s. great vid
Since finding your channel, I think i know what I will be doing now. I was looking at 10th edition and getting back into that, but I think i will start to slowly collect the 2nd edition stuff and take my time to paint them. Maybe one day find something to play with. lol.
Good plan. I find 10th joyless. Maybe you and a friend could try some older rules or one page rules.
@@Miniscape-wh40k I moved to an acreage near a new city, so I got no friends and lots to do out here, lol. I got no time to paint or build models, so this would be a good way to do a indoor hobby when it is winter out and have cool classic model.
That song was your best work yet 🤣🤣🤣 fantastic paintjob too mate. I’ve got a 2nd edition marine in the post who will be getting the Imperial Fists treatment, and this video may have convinced me to pick up a tactical squad for the first time in… 15 years? Before GW gets a chance to discontinue them…
I'm just finishing painting my noise marines. The video came out just in time. While I'm waiting for the paint to dry, I'm watching the video and filled with nostalgia.
Speaking of nostalgia; not long ago I dug up some photos of vintage all-metal noise marines (1996). And only after seeing them in that old rocker style did I finally realize that the three versions of the Noise Marine's outfit are a kind of imitation of a rock band's lineup. Like, a bass player (Blastmaster), a guitarist (Sonic Blaster), and a vocalist (Doom Siren). Now I have to live with this... And wait for more chaos paintings on the channel. If it's the will of the Dark Gods, we'll see Noise Marines too.
I never noticed that. Awesome.
I'll leave a like and watch this later. Thanks, Matthew. This will make my thursday a little easier.
Thank you for the like
Ive been having bad thoughts about stripping my 500 pts of retro style primaris ultramarines and make them imperial fists thank you for making me continue to have bad thoughts
Maybe you could acquire some more and paint them imperial fists. Sorry.
"Old man yells at cloud" amazing video as always brother ❤️
Thanks 😊
I love these videos. I’m in my late 50s and also have a lot of these classic minis,funnily enough in imperial fists and emperors children armies.good job once again and the songs at the end always get a chuckle from me.
Glad you like them!
Great minis and great painting! Nothing can destroy the metal!
"Get off my garden!" lol! loved that sergeant. My memories fuzzy of it these days but I had this box and recall getting random metals for the scrubs.
Love the ever reliable Tactical Sqwad, the backbone of any 40k Astartes army ! ! !
Another great vid. Loved the song too 😂. That Tactical Sqaud split me in two. Ooh ho ho. 😅
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Love your videos. I’m a 2nd ed veteran too. I’ve recently bought the 1990s blood bowl, the sculpts are far more characterful and the lore far more entertaining
Great video as always and love the phone call skits! 😂
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I WAS THERE GANDALF
*_Three thousand years ago..._*
These are awesome! I was transported back to my childhood for a while there
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By His angels, we are saved! I am elated to see, kind sir, you have turned aside from the ruinous path and no longer tamper with the dilution of Contrast paints. Praise the Emperor! May you hold fast and not stray from the light.
P.S. another exquisite song, maestro. Bravo!
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In response to your query on knives, I must admit they cause me more consternation than perhaps they ought.
I know in the wargear book it discusses how all combatants (and indeed most non-combatants) are considered to carry at least a knife, but I don’t believe this is backed up by the profiles now how people played in 2nd.
It only got worse in later editions, with the proud tactical marine’s knife continuing to be overlooked.
I really feel the tactical marine’s load out should have been boltgun and knife, with a possibility of a bolt pistol. This would have much better aligned with the models and lore.
I know many would consider the additional close combat weapon to be overpowered (especially in 3rd where a chainsword is no better than a knife), but come one! These are the emperor’s finest!
If you remember, CSM in the glorious 3.5ed dex had the option to be armed with boltpistol, chainsword AND/OR boltgun.
This did not break the game, it just allowed CSM to field true all-rounders. You could save points be fielding either/or. but having both allowed them to perform decently as they advanced to combat, or made charging them a riskier proposition.
It felt very marine-ey!
The old plastic tactical squad was probably in my top 5 fave kits
"Taking what's battered, and restoring it to Glory"
Miniscape, I think you might be the Emperor of Mankind. Leading the Great Second Edition Crusade.
I try my best
Wow. In 2001 this was my first purchase. I was so happy to be introduced to miniatures back then when it was alot less common
You don't know how wholesome your content is mate, you're right up there with Attenborough in my book.
Aw, so kind
Those one piece special weapons sculpts are truly a thing of beauty!
They really are
The humble tactical marines, how i miss their simple aesthetic. My favorite metals of the time were the Blood Angels death company. I myself am looking for the classic Deathwing so I can make the original space hulk squad. Thanks for the vid.
They look amazing and such a brght yellow with nice deep shadows. Will ha e to catch up with the other vids now
Thank you
Warhammer dies when Tactical Marines go away. And given how 10th is being handled, that could be as soon as next year...
Warhammer is never dead as long as we keep playing it. And we can play any edition we like.
You know, you're right. I still have my rulebooks, and the models. I just need more people willing to give the older editions a go.
A lot of people I play with treat each "update" as if it means the very latest edition is the definitive version, yet I can show them a "Pivot Movement Table" that shows that that isn't the case.
Mind you if I'm being very truthful, I'd love to take 9th, worm out the psychic phase, put the BS skill on the weapon profiles, reconstruct the current "out of twenty" strength/toughness system, and see how that makes the game look with some tweaking.
@@DeathInTheSnow that's the real snag, getting the folks to play
Miniscape video. A video of Miniscape.
A beautiful tale told well.
Thank you so much
I used to use fresh kitty litter on the bases I made back in the day. It was available, and it gave a nice rocky look to the base.
Great idea
What a jam. A song and video worthy of the raw unbridled awesomeness that is the tactical squad.
That was my very first Warhammer squad. Painted them up as Dark Angels. My last Warhammer army was painted as Dark Angels too, in a similar scheme to my childhood.
I do believe the box was "standard" - I can't remember having beakies or Errant Armor in my squad.
I'll never not sing a long with your jingles, great video as always 👉👉
Thank you 😊
member when a basic squad of space marines was a good unit? I member.
The olivia hale bit is chef's kiss perfection, much like the rest of your content.
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13:55 yes ultramarine 5 man squads could be lead by a Sargeant with terminator armour. It was legal and I even played it in the shop. With the rule of closest target I used to send him out front to absorb all the fire for his brother marines. The reason in lore is a sad tale because the first company got wiped out completely by the tyranids they had spare terminator armour.
Could combat squads be lead by terminator sergeants too? Seems like a good way to increase the terminator density of your army while including some specials and/or heavies
For the anecdote of the tactical marine outsold all of warhammer fantasy battle from conversations I have had with people who ran GW stores not only was that true, but also that rattle can chaos black oursold all of WFB before the launch of AoS.
Thank you for that information
I'm getting flashbacks to the bashed up polystyrene slide out tray that inevitably got made into terrible terrain shortly afterwards.
Those were the days indeed.
Today was like sticking my “ Hand “ into a bag of rusty fishing hooks. But, with this latest offering I feel at the least comfortable.
I don't get it
Nice you said you were doing imperial fists I never imagined they'd look so cool👍
Thanks very much
My favorite unit ever. When they finally go I will be sad. I love having one squad that can possibly specialize itself or be more general, and that is the opposite of where marines eventually have ended up
Dear God, I've bought so many tactical squads over the years- so many different chapters, so many variations... I don't even want to think about just how much money I've spent on this plastic crack since 1993.
Oh, and with the combat knives? I tended to use them as bayonets for the bolters with a bit of strategic trimming.
The sheer nostalgia of seeing your work on these beautiful miniatures is realling helping me get through these hard times I find myself in.
Though I'm currently working on a custom Primaris chapter, my side project is collecting 1st edition beakies and vehicles, and eventually paint them as Dark Angels from the Piscina 4 campaign.
I'm glad the videos help. The dark angels project sounds delightful.
Those Marines look fantastic! Well done. I dig them. I also like the Tactical Marine song. I think I'll sing it on Kareoke night at the bowling ally next week. 😂❤👍
Please record that for me
Eat your veggies, paint your Tacticals. Then you can have Terminator dessert.
So many tactics within that squad. The Sergeant has that calculator to work out the odds of their tactics paying off.
He does 😂
took me straight back to the 90s. Ahhh, simpler times yet even adjusted for inflation still bloody expensive 😂
Just putting out there but i can't here the words yellow space marine that many times without hearing the beatles in my head.
That gives me an idea 💡😉
Ah yes, the Space Marine tactical squad: the miniature set that's been keeping the lights on at GW HQ since 1992.
well loooks great like em glad got to do some the old hammer will see more as do it and say hay to miss miniscape
Memories. My first 40K purchase was when I was about 11. My folks were so-so on the matter considering how "graphic" some of the art was, and how expensive this plastic crack always has been, but they generally let me do what I wanted to do with my allowance. First purchase was the OG Space Wolf Blood Claw team - which I butchered with my amazing, non-existent painting skills. I would become a Smurf-lover later on in my hobby journey, but I'll always remember how cool the Wolves looked on that box
Nice, I was craving some more of that sweet oldhammer content.
The Dark Angels tactical squad from Dark Vengeance is my favorite. I bought another box of modern tactical marines for weapon options.
Oh! Gotta get my chocolate chip oatmeal bars going, Miniscape is on!
Wouldn't a gingerbread land raider be better? :3
@@DeathInTheSnow not for another two months at the very least. I have a few other holidays to worry about before it's gingerbread time.
I would be happy to try one 😁
The colour of those Imperial Fists reminds me of that vivid sunny yellow from my childhood found on popular ice lollies.
I'm pretty sure GW had a plan to sell every customer a tactical squad, even if they played fantasy battle. This was probably after the sluggish mail order trolls were replaced with efficient retail servitors, not sure they could tell the game systems apart, just identified the word warhammer and selected tactical squad. With the success of retail servitors, ineffectual design team members were replaced with servitors too, their obsession with tactical squads manfested with the Horus Heresy game, tactical squads vs tactical squads, the perfect servitor game solution. And so the servitors took over and rebranded games workshop with the only logical name .. Warhammer.
Brutal colour comparison
@@Miniscape-wh40k If you spill a pot of contrast yellow, it probably has the appearance of a melted lolly. Pretty yellow but potentially traumatic to those who were clumsy children, forever dropping lollies.
@@ellesse3862 well yeah lol
Maybe this is just me, but that sergeant is clearly Sidney Poitier.
After a 21 year break from the hobby, my first purchase was the now OOP Blood Angels tactical squad. Its incredibly well detailed i'm still collecting 1st born as I don't particularly care if I never play game of 40k and really do prefer them to Primearis. All the stuff I collected from 1987 - 1995 I stupidly sold for £20 when I thought I was too cool for Warhammer aged 15.....I had a lot of really cool classic stuff; 40k, Epic and Fantasy
I have decided now to never sell
Looks amazing
Thank you
Not to be confused with Tactical Squids, the SWAT teams of the sea.
Of course 🤣
2nd edition is where WH40k peaked for me. The range of miniatures and the Dark Millenium rules all hung together really well. Even the Ork clans worked well together, and made for some fantastic battles. I haven't been able to get back into it since, despite several attempts.
If you have a friend who is willing to try it with you, I recommend persevering. I think you could have a blast.
idk why while watching this video i had the sudden idea of "deprimarisize" the new units, adapt 2e space marines to suppressors or inceptor squads. maybe someone already did
I actually just bought a tactical squad job lot form eBay recently. It's a mix of firstborn sculpts from the 90s and 2000s. One of which is the 2nd edition rocket launcher marine with the detonator in his left hand. Most of the guns are in incorrect positions, there's thick paint and super glue all over that is obscuring detail, and mold lines are still visible. I hope to restore them to their former glory and use them in games of 10th with my friend as blood angels. Let's hope the IPA bath they'll eventually receive is kind.
Hi Miniscapes... the original mk7 armour marines came in a boxed set in the late 80' early 90's using those funky bolters with butt stock. There was a couple of poses blisters brought out the "walking body in two pieces torso and legs for better pose-ability.. there was an un helmeted marine.. have a look at the sole of the boots.. the really early mk7 ones had a boot tread pattern moulded into them.
I know the box you speak of
And the shoulders had weird nubs that needed filing off for newer arms.., older plastic arms were like ball and socket you had to superglue
Great work dude ❤❤
Thanks 😊
Former MO troll here and retail muppet. From memory there was no variation in the tactical marine armour, they were all MKVII. If you wanted MKVI or MKVIII then you needed to buy the blister packs.
Oh cool thanks. What I meant was, was there a variation in the quantities of the different mkvii sculpts in the box?
Imperial fists, fists of the imperium. Tactical Squads, squads of tactics.
I find these older marines to be so much more interesting to look then the primaries. Maybe its due to nostalgia or that the older sculpts have so much more variety to them.
I know what you mean
I recently acquired a bunch of Marine bits from a friend and discovered that the Primaris Incursor hands and bolters are roughly the same size as the 2nd ed Marine hands and bolters, particularly the ones with both hands holding the weapon. Though not the same as the classic bolter, with some slight modifications to the wrist joints they make suitable substitutes if one is missing a bunch of bolters for the monopose marines.
This could work if one is building an Iron Hands army, or are adding a couple of veteran squads to their existing army from another chapter.
That's very useful. Thanks!
People who refuse to use their old bits confuse me. The only minis I don’t use are the extremely rare limited run minis that just don’t show up on eBay anymore. Hell, I just picked up my third og ork battle wagon with conversion plans in mind for it.
Good point
My GF just came in while the song at the end was playing. "Turn it off, thats terrible!" Yes, Ive already informed my local inquisitor.
I aim for terrible
Sand from Blyth beach really is the only sand to use.
Damn straight
I also enjoy cutting chaos trim off of bits and glueing them to loyalists
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You can definitely do some cheeky things with a veteran sergeant upgrade for a squad, given they get access to the equipment list to equip them appropriately for the squad. Doesn't even need to use wargear cards, just pick up that flamer/melta/plasma gun. Same goes for techmarines as another character that could us a decent gun now and again. Or a jump pack maybe. Still, less cheeky than Rogue Trader and its space marine characters commonly armed with heavy weapons, seen even in a white dwarf battle report if I remember right.
300 points?! That edition was WILD
Don't think I ever bought a tactical squad but I did own the 2nd ed box which came with 2 flamer/missile launcher tactical squads. I also remember buying a 3rd edition 5 man all plastic box but they were just regular boltgun marines, I was a broke teen trying to pay for the hobby through paper round money so not that bad for a fiver!
Tactical squads are my favorite unit.
The practical, hackitcal, never lacktical tactical squad.
The tactical marines were the best selling. Only due to the 3 sets shown plus including the 2nd ed starter box. Considering how long second was around for its not surprising.
Personally for my yellow, I like to use wraith one (any bleached honey color), followed with a dry brush of a bright pink color, and then using either Iyanden Yellow or Imperial Fist yellow. The pink helps with near instant highlights.
I tried pink and it didn't work for me. Not sure why. Possibly my incompetence or stubbornness to conform
My player group actually had an argument over that White Dwarf article. You’ll notice it says tactical squads can be taken as 5 man combat squads and then shows a picture of a five man Space Wolf squad despite the fact that Space Wolves can’t take tactical squads (nor can Grey Hunter squads be split into battle squads). To me the inclusion of the picture clearly shows the intent that you can buy half a Grey Hunter squad, but the “rules as written” don’t allow it.
I lost and I’m still bitter about it :p
Interesting. The decision against you in that seems like quite a mean spirited one. I would let you take them.
@@Miniscape-wh40k as I recall the sticking point was that the grey hunters are better than regular tactical marines (WS5, acute senses, sgt comes with a power sword by default). And so splitting them up would be too powerful for some reason. And unlike the other divergent chapters Space Wolves are explicitly forbidden from taking regular space marine units.
And everyone else was already convinced the space wolves were “broken” anyway.
Also we were like 13-14 and all jerks so…
@@Dram1984 that all makes sense