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In this video Kevin and I are snowboarding up at Thredbo Resort in Australia and take a moment to talk about effective edge. Effective edge is a spec that you will see for every snowboard, and is the part of the board that gives you most of your control, particularly on groomed or hard pack snow. I hope this video helps to give you a better idea of what this number on the spec sheet means, how it effects the ride of the board, and how it can vary from board to board. Let me know any questions or anything you have to add in the comments below, thanks for watching.
Should note that board length recommendations are based on rider WEIGHT and NOT HEIGHT.
For real, I work at a shop and almost everyone who comes in looking for a board doesn't seem to know that
I thought I said that in the vid but it looks like I cut it out by mistake, just pinned this comment!
Board Archive so could you share your advice for recommended board lengths based on weight? Is there a magic reference table we should all be referring to? And does Board flex/stiffness also play a factor?
What if you plan on losing weight cuz you’re chubby or adding muscle if you’re skinny? Or if it’s a colder day and you’re wearing heavier gear? What about flex? Wouldn’t a softer board be easier to move if it’s still longer?
Josh Archer most boards will have a cheat sheet attached with rider recommended weights with regard to board length. It's not the gospel but will give you a size range to work from. You can be over or under the ranges but as long as your not a million miles away the board will perform as intended. Most sizes that are close to each other will have a similarity in weight range so you can choose a board in relation to the terrain or way you like to ride. Flex pattern or stiffness will definitely play a part in selection as well
interesting fact....
i am 195lbs - 5'8" been riding a 156/157 for a most day the last few years. have riddin up to a 161 (powder board from 1993 i was only 160lbs then) been on a 154 for a short board for my weight currently. recently though i rode a 146 or 147 just for shits and giggles.
I LOVED IT!!! the most fun i have ever had a snowboard. was able to bomb the hill just as fast and just as in control as my longer boards. worked amazing in trees. best days i've had switch yet, and was not bad in 4-6" of powder. talk about breaking every weight rule in snowboarding!
I am getting a 149 asap as a middle ground soon... oh, and in the park i felt much more in control than my 156. This season i am on day 30, last season i got just over 70 days.
just thought your subs and readers might like to know that rules are for sure meant to be broken. don't not try something just because.
thanks for the video guys and see ya on the mountain!
Sean Ozz I’m 200 riding a 154 this season so I feel you! I can’t wait to have a shorter board since I was riding a 159 and I wanted something more fun
You guys are by far the best at teaching anything about snowboarding, I just started last year at the age of 49 with my 2 boys. Best father sons time together and thank you for helping me pick a snowboard right for me. I have the LIB TECH GNU BANANA love it. Keep up the great work.
I have heard effective edge come up a lot over the years on spc. Nice to have an in depth video about it though.
Thanks guys, well explained. All this time I thought the blunted nose & tail was just a style thing like money bumps on skateboards in the 80's lol (Hosoi Hammerhead FTW!).
i have a hosoi i hand in the background on most review inside vids i make, that and a cab. love them!!!!!
Love how this video is 4 years old yet is so helpful. TJ your a stud!
I am 160cm (5"3) and i weight about 52-53kg (something along the lines of 115lbs) after a successful season where I could ride comfortably on a beginner's snowboard, I used several other (taller or heavier) people's boards, being completely unaware of the importance of the board's length and shape. Clearly the people I borrowed the boards from were also oblivious to this and couldn't understand why I was struggling so much. Their bindings were also not particularly good. I guess I am being punished for being so cheap and unwilling to spend too much money on gear. I snowboarded said entire season without goggles as well ^^" I have just purchased a second hand 142cm, twin tail, and hope for the best now. Because I couldn't do anything with those 152+ boards. Morality: pick your gear wisely or you'll catch edges continuously and start hating snowboarding altogether..
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Higher Effective edge means, more stable carving. It has some negative tolerance when your board has TBT or spoon technology. Effective edge can be also overall contact edge to snow, not exactly wider nose point of snowboard in this case
Reverse camber, or "banana" and all of it's variations, my all time favorite is still C-1, but there's C-2, C-3, and all sorts of different camber designs now, will allow you to ride a shorter, lighter deck especially in powder. I've been riding Lib Tech since day one when people said, "Lib WHAT??" What's that? I always liked longer decks before banana, but the newest designs let you ride a "150's" size deck instead of a "160's" size deck no matter how tall or heavy you are. My favorite deck is STILL the C-1 El Nino by Lib Tech, 162, which is the longest running snowboard design ever by any company. The nose is bent all the way up, and it has a bit of camber at the tail where it counts as a directional deck. C-2 is great for switch, though, but when you are bombing it, you will ride regular.
You guys really coordinate those google lenses haha
Hey we only brought one low light and one sun lens okay lol. I shoulda brought my NFX!
Board Archive i got to look at some prototypes for next years dragon range... i might be jumping over to them haha
enlightenment comes in many shapes or forms... in these case lengths! very informative
I watched the spec of the lib tech golden orca i wanted to buy recently and beside the lenght, spec were pretty similar between longer and shorter models, nothing noticable like 1-2mm of taper, etc. Decided to buy it since it was one day old and half the price, even though im 5'10/180lbs and the board is 153 im really impressed with its ridability. My other board still have their pros on some terrains like pow or long carving, but having a shorter board means less weight and quick edge to edge when going slow on uneven terrains like threes and icy sketchy trails. Its a good addition to my collection.
Sooooo, dont let the specs stop you from going longer or shorter. when you have multiple board with different specs you kinda have more options depending on your program for the day and conditions.
You’re actually mistaken in your description of running length, contact points and effective edge. The running length is the length of the board between the contact points (of the base) when the board is weighted. This becomes a little bit ambiguous on rockered boards, but nonetheless, the running length is not the entire length of the board, as you’ve explained.
The effective edge is correctly identified as the distance between the widest part of the nose and the widest part of the tail (or the distance between the two ends of the edge radius), but this is independent of the contact points. Often you will see that a board’s effective edge is slightly longer than its running length, and this is because the widest parts of the nose and tail are actually beyond the base’s contact points.
I hope this helps. It’s the best I can do without drawing pictures.
The profile type is important. We have to see board base. Real effective edge is the distance between contact points. Rocker boards have not real effective edge but this aspect should not be very popular today.
That was very informative! Thanks TJ.
Great team work boys! Keep them coming
It is high quality for the price, there is no instruction to set up the bindings with the board other than that I would recommend.
LOVE IT!! Boys love to talk about spec
talk about detuning edges please!!! Awesome vid!
Yeah just never do it, unless your in the park all day
you absolutely can detune them after the contact points, you don't need them to be sharp there, I can't think of any circumstance.
Really useful information guys! Thanks!
Thanks Qaesar!
Don’t forget about profile, camber and cam-rock will have different effective edge.
Another great vid man!🤙🏼. So essentially, a shorter effective edge is good for powder and a longer effective edge is good for control and carving?
I think it's more that a longer effective edge is good for groomers/park, and that effective edge is less important for powder because you don't use it, and as powder boards have those much bigger noses, they end up with shorter effective edge-lengths relative to their overall size.
That's a bit of an oversimplification, a longer effective edge will give you more control on groomers since more of the boards edge is in contact with the snow. In powder the entire board is being used to float so that longer nose comes into play to stay ontop and the bend of the board, taper, and setback become more important factors than effective edge. Laurens summary there is pretty good! I just wanted to point out that there can sometimes be quite a difference between the overall length of the board and the effective edge with this video, and what difference that makes in the ride.
Board Archive thanks for the clarification man. 👍
Hey Kevin,
In the video you are mentioning that your snowboard size is 157 so the effective edge is 1208.9mm. Could you please share your weight so I have an idea what could be the effective edge on my snowboard which must carry 200 pounds?
Hey, I just wanna ask I'm 6'1" tall and I weight 209 pounds. I ride used 160 now but I didn't know anything about snowboards when I bought that. I'd like to get more in to park riding / jibbing, I know that I need softer flex but I'd like to know what size should I get, because I feel like the 160 is quite big for that. I'd like to get 157 but I think that's too small for me.
Try a 154-156 maybe even wide depending how big yr foots is.. try b4 you buy..
Thanks for this video ✌️
Very well-explained guys! Thanks a ton!
Thanks Josh!
Hey T.J, thanks for the tips man! super easy to follow. if its not too much trouble, would you be able to do a video on how to install/attached bindings to a board? including the burton line aswell
if not.. its cool.
Thanks TJ. Well explained.
Thanks TJ, really helpful video!
Thanks Lauren
Is the effective edge measured as a straight line from contact point to contact point, or along the curvature of the side-cut arc? If the latter, does the published effective edge length include the extra length provided by tech such as magne traction?
For Beginners go with the rules and buy the right sized All-Mountain board for BEGINNERS! These board will feature a softer flex and will turn more easily. For intermediates and pros go and play around with sizes, flex, stance, effective edge. There are boards like the 167 Rossignol XV that rides like a much shorter board, but i wouldn't recommend this to beginners.
Is the effective edge length a linear dimension or shall be measured along the edge curvature?
This is a good question. As long as your consistent and factor in the sidecut radius it doesn't really matter which one you use though.
Does Magne-Traction change the effective edge?
So if we have 2 different board with same effective edge length, flex and profile but different total length size, they will probably feel/react the same in turns?
So the extra tip is more for float usage and shorter is for weight savings?
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@ejump0 I think those two boards would feel/react almost identically on a groomer. Where you'll start to see difference is the longer board should provide more float in powder (really depends on the nose shape) and that the shorter board will be easier to do jump rotations.
(as well as side cut, and core tech) but the length of the board can also determine how stable it is at speed and for turning
That is a good way to think about it, the tips are also just being used for style and aesthetic purposes now sometimes (for example in "non symmetrical" snowboards) but what you said there is quite accurate.
Can you do a review on the Lib tech hot knife please I’m interested in the board just want your opinion
I spy a Johnathan buckhouse sticker on kevs board thats so sick!
I love your vlips
What are disadvantages of being too heavy or light for your board length
definitely make sure you are within the weight range. If you're on the lower end of the spectrum the board will feel stiffer and more stable if you're on the higher end the board will feel more pressable and buttery
Board Archive I stay 265-275 range. So they all say I am too heavy lol
@@shawnmartin1306 I run 260 to 280 I ride a 162 wide works good for me even in the deep stuff. I do set a bit to the rear so I don't have to pull up all day.
Micah Reese I ride 158 regular width never summer ripsaw. I have size 13 feet and I am 6'1 so I should use wide but wide boards don't respond as quick from my experience. I have a travis rice pro hp wide one I hate. Its a 164 i think; don't ride it enough to remember. I had custom graphic done for it so I won't sell it. I am on east coast so those powder days are not as often. I will say when we do get lots of heavy powder the that board is better then ripsaw. 95% of the time ripsaw is what I ride. It is very responsive and I don't get toe drag really. Probably because of how wide the board is on the ends.
@@shawnmartin1306 I have size 13 feet too. Am I able to ride regular width boards? Won't your feet hang over?
Very informative. But keep that arm in and fix your posture. Posture and stance has to be taken in account for affective edge. Something else to consider is boards with reverse camber, magna traction, or the combo cambers.
There are recommended lengths for different companies for different weights. It’s all preferences!! You really need to try out different board and size to find the right size that fits your riding style. I suppose to ride a 161 as recommended. But I feel most comfortable with 157 all mountain and 154 park. Please don’t be too nerdy about numbers and specs. Go with what fits your style. It’s all about the feel!!!
Just curious. What was your weight at the time you posted this? I feel like I might be similar and might get a smaller board than recommended
@@ryanhollis9018 175lbs to 190lbs depends how much I was drinking during that season lol.
I am looking at a used Rossignol Templar 162CM. I am 5'11" and 165 lbs. relatively new to the sport but I know what I am doing. Is this too long? I know that It is on the longer side but is it much of a problem??
Good advice guys. 🤙🤙🤙
If you are going to jib, go park, jump and spin lots, then I have understood that you should have about 20-30cm shorter board than your own length, I am 171 tall weighing about: 70-75 kilo and want a board that I described above, what board PLUS bindings do you recommend for this? also what length on the board you recommend.
Can you size down on all Capitas? Or just the Horrorscope?
uhhhh, i’m still kinda confused, so basically if the effective edge number is bigger that means the board is better on groomers? so for a park board what would you want? also i’m more confused on the sizing part where you said you can size down on a board
Is there a difference between contact edge vs effective edge?
hey TJ, are you familiar with Burton CK Nug 2017? I've been riding with it for three winters, feel comfortable but not sure am I on the right length. I'm about 5'8'', 158 lbs, the board is 154cm, is it too long for me? Thinking about buy a new board for diversity. Should I buy an all-mountain-freestyle or all-mountain-freeride? Thanks
I am 5’6 and 120 lbs with 155cm board
How tall are you guys?
Why do U make it look so easy ???!!?!! 😂🤩
I'm 6'1 and weigh 163lbs. I want to get an Allmountain Team Nitro Board (159cm). Is it to short with consideration of the effective edge?
Hi!!! I'm 181cm , 74 kg , 290 (11) boot , beginner/intermediate , all mountain ... what size would be good?! Thanks in advance
How about how wide a board is I feel like not enough people talk about it even though it’s really important. I had a 155 and when ever I was on groomed runs, when making a hard turn my heels or toes would hit and cause me to slip out and fall every time because my snowboard wasn’t wide enough for my feet.
definitely a great topic there, my hard cutoff is size 11 boots or larger to make sure you find a wide board.
Makes sense I’m a size 11! Thanks!
I ride wide cause I'm heavier
Im thinking of getting a capita kazu. Im 5'2" and 149lbs. The recommended weight for 151cm is 100-150lbs and for 154cm is 100 - 160lbs. Since im at the edge of the 151cm spec, im looking at 154cm. Do you think the 154cm is too long for me?
How do I find out effective edge on my Never Summer Ripsaw 2016? I was searching but couldn't find it
Tj I’m looking into the Ride Helix and Twin pig for advancing my jumps and all round park riding... which would u recommend?
The Helix is a good bit stiffer than the Twin Pig so it will be more stable and is a fun jumper, but not so good for more technical rail tricks. I would probably go for the twinpig. Check out the reviews of each for a more in depth talk that may help you decide.
Board Archive nice man thanks for that, yea I saw u riding the twin on medium jumps, do u reckon it’ll handle bigger jumps ok too? Bro u should try review the Nitro Beast 👌🏻
Do boards from Bataleon with TBT technology actually shorten the effective edge? Does it make them less stable? For example Bataleon The One ES
Toshak Singhal sort of. When riding flat base, yes. When turning, the raised edges are designed to engage. Never ridden one myself, but I heard they take some time to get used to.
You're a guru T.J. thanks mate,,,,,but hey dudes ...get some cream on your faces, i burnt my nose quite badly in Austria last year and was at a wedding anniversary 'do' shortly after and just looked like i had leprosy or somethin' ha ha
haha so true, it's too easy to forget sunscreen
these guys live my dream life
was that the 2017 kazu? Im looking to buy one regardless of shape.
So how do you find the size that is right for you?
size is primarily based on weight, if you fall within several sizes based on weight the smaller size will be more flexy, maneuverable and easier to control (since all other things are equal) while the larger size will be more stable.
Hey man I’m looking to know what length of my board should I get and I’m 5’9 I was thinking a 156 or 158
Yo board archive I'm a fat ass but like to shred I'm 6'1 and 280 lbs what length should I rock?
Would it be stupid to size up? I’m small so I ride a 148, would it be stupid to go up to 152? I weigh 120 pounds
If you're within the weight range you can totally size up. If you are looking at two difference sizes of the same board the larger size will be a bit stiffer and more stable, but slightly less maneuverable
If you love going stupidly fast (like I do), you can gain additional stability at high speed by sizing up (and/or taking a stiffer board) at the cost of a more difficult ride at low speed.
For example, my high speed board is a very stiff Custom X for which I am considered nearly 30 pounds bellow the Minimum recommended weight, (the guy at the shop where i bought it thought I was never gonna be able to use it) but it's an absolute dream for groomers. But I had to get myself a second board for tree runs and moguls, for which I downsized a bit because I wanted a much more nimble ride, but if I try to reach the same speed with it it just wobbles all over the place.
Somebody can tell me what 156 wide means??
if im 1800 cm tall (5,11) What size board should i be riding
Im around that height and I prefer sizes around 154 or 155 usually, but size is primarily based on your weight
I'm 5 10 but I weigh 270 so I ride a 162 wide
now I know! tanksss! 😜
What size would i have for 180cm ? How tall are you kevin?
size is more based off of your weight than height
Efective edge in neversummer boards?jaja
I can spot that ninja suit 1 piece underwear from a mile away. Got 5 pairs of those bad boys, and there's a reason.
song?
So the effective length of a batallion board is always less??
No because the effective edge comes into play when you are carving and have the board "on edge" so the 3BT doesn't really impact that length
Kevin or David Parker...which one is he..twins???
OMG cant believe those freakin Aussies have snow there. Looks not that bad either
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