China: A democracy that works? Why is China a democracy? Is Beijing's rule legitimate?
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- Опубликовано: 8 мар 2022
- Why is China not a democracy? Why is China is a democracy? Is Beijing's rule legitimate?
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The full paper about democracy in China by China's State Council Information Office:
www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/20211...
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02:05 Why is China claiming it is a democracy? Isn't it an autocracy, a dictatorship?
03:19 Why is China calling itself a democratic dictatorship? It's all about inclusion and success bases democracy versus system based democracy.
07:15 Does China's non-democratic governance has legitimacy? It is democratic as it is adaptive, a meritocracy, has an election and selection process and is extremely consultative.
12:40 Is China's governance fair? How about human rights, opposition, maintaining power and non-liberal issues? The well-being of people is the main driver; opposition is guaranteed, but inclusive in manner; party self-correctiveness ensures power fairness; and as liveral democracy is under pressure, China is re-inventing its own democratic model
17:54 Why does the West not have a patent on democracy? US primarily, which started under Trump is using democracy as a weapon against China, through Washington, Hong Kong, a summit for democracy that Biden launched and a division of friendly countries based on voting system.
21:10 Is China's political system rigid? China's democracy is constantly evolving, very young after all, and learning more about how to adjust its system (of democracy) for China based on its own needs and the mistakes make in Western democracies. Therefore China will not export its democratic model. Chinese trust China's democracy works better for China than the Western democracies would.
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The full paper about democracy in China by China's State Council Information Office:
www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202112/04/WS61ab0795a310cdd39bc7957e.html
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Pascal, I disagree with your opening statement that Beijing is not supporting Moscow. A few days ago, China's Foreign Minister Wang Yi clearly spelled out that the China and Russia are each other’s most important close neighbors and strategic partners, and the friendship between the Chinese and Russian peoples is *rock-solid.*
Video: _Wang Yi: China-Russia relationship is valued for its independence_ ruclips.net/video/3jlDN9A2uAo/видео.html
@@Shenzhou. I was referring to the war. I read that too, and agree that China is supporting Russia as a strategic (primarily economic) partner, but not in the war that is ongoing. I explained this in my video that I made about Ukraine even before the war erupted.
Chinese system serves the interest of majority of its people while US system serves the small number of super riches. Having lived in both countries, I feel that China is people democracy, US is dollar democracy.
Spot on
This
In China, the Chinese government controls the state-owned companies for China's benefit, reining in companies when they gone too far. In the United States, the rich U.S corporations control the U.S government for war and profit at the expense of ordinary Americans.
Agree. As a voter of the US "democracy" system, I can't really vote for anything but the US president, state governor, city mayor, congressmen and house representatives. I don't know most of the people I am suppose to vote on the ballot. I don't know what they are doing unless they hold public speaks and only if I have time to watch or read. The only way people in the US to voice themselves is through violent protests. We can criticize and yelling. But the US gov't doesn't "listen" to what its people wants but the "stock" market. I hear from the US gov't only when they want money from me about income taxes, property taxes and traffic fines. When US gov't wants to go into war with a country, it will start the propaganda process to brainwash its people to agree, not by voting. We can't vote for most of the policies set by our US gov't. The US gov't is actually more dictate than the China gov't.
agree, very agree
The word 'Democracy' itself is a western mindset concept, like a red-glasses. The result of watching China through such a lens is not that of China at all.
Still one country which is a part of the same world has been ruined completely
A tough subject... Three main points to me:
- Chinese are pragmatic, only results count, they don't care 'whether the cat is black or whiter (or even a tiger actually) as long as it catches mice'. We in France are idealistic, thinking our own 'enlightened' free choice in governance is more important for us free men (and we'll see later if it gives the promised results). What is important is what people want, and it is clear that if 1300 million Chinese would like to overthrow their 100 million ruling party, they would. But they don't want, as shown by several surveys (Harvard's Ash Center, Edelman Trust Barometer...)
- in China, teamwork prevails, stability prevails, consensus prevails. This requires meritocracy, constructive discussions and feedback control loop. You cannot build a team made of large chunks of people who oppose the direction the team is going, mostly for ideological reasons rather than for result achievements.
- China does not want to export its model, and therefore do not wish to take remarks from other countries on its own model. While many people here in Europe are convinced China wants to enforce its model in other countries... no, China is not the one doing proselytism, but the West has a long history in that matter.
well said👍
Good points. Unfortunately most people from the west cannot understand this as you do
good understanding of Chinese governance.
They don't want to export their better system so you become a competitor. Lol
good understanding, esp. for the last point that chineses in china understand the differences between people and cultures and mindsets and dont have any interest to change others. And as understanding about difference in histories and group characteristics, many allegations that the west put to china, for example massacre or detention camp etc, chineses in china wont have too much doubt to know those are false allegations cos thats the culture and history in the west but not in the 5000 years of china or china people.
Chineses hv a personality in general that people want to stick to own business and to improve live, and dont really want to care about others' biz.
And that is why some says China is actually more democratic than most of the big western nations!
Excellent video.
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If you believe China is a peaceful and progressive country, raise your hand ✋🙋🏻♂️👍
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Chinese democracy result oriented, western democracy prolonging kakistocracy.🤚🤚🙏🙏✋✋👍👍❤️❤️
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China has territorial disputes with 17 other countries and is currently committing the Uyghur genocide. But whatever, they’re a democracy even though they’re a one-party state!
Uyghur genocide
Whether Iraq has WMD?
This video should be made a required viewing for Politics & Governance 101 in colleges everywhere!
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The West needs people like you to make them understand the PRC. My salutation to you, Mr. Pascal.
Thanks eddie!
The only reason he isnt like the rest of the west is because they pay him. He is a spineless puppet of the CCP.
@@xKrypto98x You have no evidence of that. What Pascal says is logical, educational, and free of negative emotional appeal. It makes no sense that China would have to pay everyone to pretend not to hate them.
@@JB52520 They have to pay people not to hate them because of their Wolf Warrior diplomacy bullshit that has alienated them from the world. Go lookup the Pew research of how favorable China is by the rest of the world. In the last 5 years countries who looked upon China favourably have reversed their opinion.
Pascal, I really enjoy your show. It is hard to believe a western have this deep understanding of China. Thanks for this show. Really awesome.
Appreciated.
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Same happened in China with Xinjiang and even Google many years before. Once out, hard getting back in.
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Here's an update in Russia from a Russian vlogger
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Russia is also a democracy, just like UK and many others. No matter how Russia changes, the West ALWAYS treat Russia as not democracy UNLESS it is broken up into small countries.
Well said Pascal! it’s not always easy to explain China’s democracy to the western world, but you have done it!
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Pascal has done well to explain China Government. But it isn't a democracy.
for centuries, aside from principles that actually define the democratic society model, the west has been the leading economic, political and military power. so democracy was able to be defined by how west collectively ran its societies. fast forward, today, as per u.n., world bank, chinese citizens living standard, longevity, ppp, all got inproved rapidly. the speed at which it did shocked the west. china, is actually a democracy because it implements the standards of western institution. they beat west at their own game. do you see u.s. taking steps actionwise to eliminate child poverty, or systemic racism. these actions are noticeable by chinese population. west doesn't like it, so they keep calling it autocratic. yet, high caliber academics in leading western institutions contended by graphs, charts, etc. that china's authocratic handling of corona for example was exactly needed to do just that. I think west realizes and accepts it, but can't politically say in public because western public doesn't accept dictats from its gov't like chinese do.
After reading Shenzhou's analogy on Russia -Ukrain conflict, this is how I understand:
My heart reaches out for people of Russian speaking natives in Donbass who had been suffering tremendously since the orange revolution in 2004 and regime change through euromaidan clashes in 2014 all backed by US and its nato allies in Ukraine and my heart reaches out for Ukrainian people suffering now with Russian military intervention.
Some RUclips vloggers say that nato has been near Russian border for eighteen years and nothing happened therefore doesn't pose a threat to Russia is nothing but a hoax. The very first question arises why the nato has to be there at the first place ? it's like telling a cat to remain silent and calm until the cat is pushed to the corner and beaten up where he can defend for himself no more. The start of the expansion of nato began from mid 1990s first with Poland, to justify the presence of nato force near Russian border according to president Putin's 2005 state of the union address would be hypothetical based only on speculation. In the 090s Gorbachev and Yeltsin proposed dismantling nato and create a pan European security treaty in which Russia could also come under one security umbrella but it was rejected only because the west especially America needed an enemy to uphold its importance among its allies and to portray Russia as a bad guy only to prove the justification of possible war by which it can always sell its weapons around the world.
When talking about crimea we mustn't also forget that this peninsula belonged to Russia before 1954, Khrushchev annexed it into Ukraine. When Soviet Union disintegrated in 1991 Ukraine should have left the peninsula back to Russia, it didn't, somehow Russia tolerated it as long as Ukraine doesn't behave as an enemy to Russia. It was only in 2014 after maidan clash, the hostility by Ukrainian puppet regime overwhelmed concerning security threat to Russia, did it take back its land.
Why NATO was not dismantled after it had been deemed obsolete with the demise of Soviet Union and Warsaw pact ? the only reason was these nato and EU countries saw a good opportunity to retain their hegemony that they thought would last for ever militarily and economically, the intention was to gang up and expand it for when big powers like Russia and China could be once suppressed they can dictate the world according to their will once and for all.
The ultimate solution to Ukraine crisis and probably all kinds of war is to dismantle american hegemonic arrogance in the form of NATO that was deemed obsolete long ago after Warsaw pact was dismantled
I like your summarizing and i love your nickname
uncle sam cares so much about Ukrainians' health Pentagon setup more than two dozen bio-weapon research labs in Ukraine.
NATO was declining. Macron called it brain dead. I wouldn't of gone as far as that. Now due to Putin NATO is re-invigorated and come together like no one could of imagined. Sweden may join and Finland is thinking about it. The top four countries in Europe Germany, Britain, Grance and Italy have each an economy the size or bigger than Russia and between them 2x the population. While America is still needed especially for some things the Europeans should be strong enough to resist Russian aggression.
Impressive way to distort the facts, let me correct that for you:
- Nato did not care about Russia
- Russia invaded Ukraine.
- Nato was wrong, Russia is still evil
- Nato starts re-arming
- Ukraine was right for wanting to be part of Europe, we can see that clearly now
"Ukrainian puppet regime" if that was true, the Russian army would not have to fight the Ukraine civilian population...
You can talk all you want about the crimea, it does not change the fact that Russia invaded another country
By the way: why would a country not be able to choose to join Nato? Since when do you need permission to do that?
@@iBlindPanic Are you goner bore everyone to death with that textbook slander?? Literally heard it thousands of time.. yawn
“Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance. No one in this world, so far as I know-and I have researched the records for years, and employed agents to help me-has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby.”
― H.L. Mencken, Notes on Democracy
American democracy means that everyone in the world should obey its orders. Americans can change the rules to suit themselves but will not allow other countries to do the same.
The UK democracy follows that of the US. The UK government changes or bends the rules such that leading officials, when committing a breach or a crime, will escape punishment whilst the same rules do not apply to ordinary public. This happens too often. There is constant criticism of the UK government by the British public, however, they are somehow united against China and now Russia.
This illustrates how the Western media can manipulate public opinion.
The rich and powerful in the west have a better chance of evading justice. The Russian invasion of Ukraine is on a whole different level. China through her actions on the world stage alienates herself from democratic nations.
Yes we don't understand why BBC & especially channel4 are now playing western media propaganda with Ukraine/China. President Xi visited London in 2015 & PM Cameron was aware China would soon be worlds biggest economy & to get on good relations. But since Trump & Boris Johnson, people are following US like a dog following its
master. MI6 investigated Huawei & could not find any evidence of a security problem but US told Boris Johnson no trade deal if U don't "do as your told" & ban Huawei & we are now behind in 5G. I think its the twitter, Facebook madness, people "don't think anymore" I really worry about the Wests future & dangerous trouble US now causes globally.
@@mogreen1249 China & now Russia are such serious threats to democracy the west has no choice but to rally behind America. Those golden years of 2015 seem so far away now. China doesn't allow western companies into their critical infrastructure western Governments are now behaving the same. Cameron was arguably correct in 2015, wrong as we stand today. As for the future looks as if China has seriuos headwinds now with Debt, demography & being alinated by the west. Doesn't mean to say it won't become No1 economy just looks unlikely and will go the way of Japan with many years of minimal growth. As for propaganda the CCP very effectively controls it within China and tries to control it outside but with little effect in the face of a western free press. China tries softpower like the 14 greviances against Australia when little countries disobey it.
"China is coming very often to resolutions to solutions without being opposing each other." Well said.
China's system works for China. The Chinese government has strong support from its people. If the west truly believes in democracy, they should be open-minded and respect the choice of Chinese people.
I think that has happened now. West has given up on changing China. It was a forlorn and unrealistic hope.
@@Andy-P the west is actually losing its ways to China by Biden traitor!! Traitor to the west
We don't really believe in democracy. We be believe in domination. We don't want to disrespect the Chinese people but most patriotic westerners don't want to placate to your fascist organ harvesting government.
Well, they don't actually respect democracy.
Most people have a completely wrong understanding of western "democracy" as much as they misunderstand China's democracy. Western "democracy" is not a democracy, it is capitalist imperialism world system where the imperial core (ie the western core countries like NA, EU, Japan, SK) are given some semblance of neutered "democracy" while the rest of the world, the imperial peripheral (ie Global South and parts of Asia) are dominated as economic colonies designed for resource extraction and labor exploitation.
The "democracy" in the imperial core is there to placate the citizens living there, to let them think they have freedom so they won't revolt against the inner core power, which are the plutocrats, the 1%, the bourgeoisie capital owning class. When push comes to shove, imperial core will even clamp down on any labor/socialistic movements in their own countries. The rest of the world is not that important because they can't vote or revolt to overthrow the governments in the imperial core. Which is why the US and the west in general, has no qualms supporting dictatorships, corruption and overthrowing actual democracies in the imperial peripheral and installing their own puppet dictators.
What China has done is that they are breaking this model., They violated the basic principles of being an imperial peripheral country - they dared to become powerful, prosperity and achieve technological and economic success on their own. They dared to not submit to the capitalist imperial system and be a corrupted and easily exploitable country for their resources and labor. The worst, they dare to oppose the imperial core's interests and offer alternatives to other imperial peripheral countries, and a way out of the debt traps, the military traps, the corruption traps set down by the imperial core.
That's why America wants to destroy China.
China is a democracy because people do elect the representatives to fill the lowest levels of government positions. Elected officials represents the voice of their constituents. They then go on to vote on the next higher positions and so on. Positions are filled through merits, capability, and performance. To be a high ranking official, you got to have decades of good and effective service record. The process makes sure that the ones on top are the wisest, most competent leaders of the country.
And not ruled by some career comedian who all of a sudden decided to run for presidency
@@DukeLM Whose turning out to be a inspiring hero! Stand by Ukraine
China isn't a democracy. If it was then these are some of the things you would have. A vote to cast for one of the two or more political parties. Free press. Free internet. Institutions that are separate and not subservient to the Government.
@@Andy-P you think America is better with "free" press? Well we do not see arguements from the other side do we? With twitter censoring the President of US? Facebook, google search engines, youtube are censoring contents. That's your definition of democracy. Well good luck.
@@jeorge1153 A lot more free than China
"Of the People, by the People, for the People" = Democracy
China, yes, of course, is Democracy !!!
Replace people for CCP. Then that is the Chinese system = autocracy
@@Andy-P Yes, true !!!
But, here CCP means Chinese Communist People.
99.99% of Chinese people are Communists !!
Ha ha ha , , ,
@@user-li4xn6gm1f I don't think it is that high but well above 50% - CCP has legitimacy without a doubt. Having delivered massive improvements from a low base (cultural revolution) but in a year or so with unemployment, low growth and collapsed savings I wonder how many will remain supportive of the CCP?
Objectively what we see is that China is learning from its past, as well as learning from the other countries in the world (West or non-west), learning both positive and negative examples, in figuring out what works for China. What we see objectively in the western political leaders (and much of their population) is that they don’t think there is anything to learn from China’s experiences, nor do they care to find out before they quickly jump into the “dictatorship” and “no human rights” bandwagons. This is why this video of yours is so important, but I wonder how many from the West will actually take it in.
Rome was not built on 1 day.
I agree when I first visited China starting in Guangzhou I was astonished at the advancement, as I am European & lived in US many years. Yet when you tell people they say "China is not a democracy" ,you have to lecture them & also inform China has existed for over 5000+ years US barley 200 we should be learning from China, but if they will learn I cannot be sure!
What's so complicated about what is and what is not Democracy. Democracy is simply when the government works for you, the people. And that is exactly what the Chinese government is doing.
That is not the definition of democracy.
@@Andy-P what is?
The answer is CHAOS.
Western style democracy's record has been abysmal. The divide between rich and poor gets larger and larger as they get more "democratic".
@@bobsmith3983 Then they should vote for a Government that reduces that gap. Democracies do throw up anamolies every one in a while. Then the next election corrects it.
There are multiple ways to define democracy. The most common definition is that of a government of the people, by the people, for the people. Under this definition, the U.S is *not a democracy, it's a plutocracy,* with a government of the 1%, by the 1%, for the 1%. Because the U.S government is just not delivering what the people want. On the other hand, China is a democracy in the sense that the government is doing what the people want, as the Harvard University and Ash Center survey revealed that around *80-90% of Chinese citizens support* the Communist Party of China.
The west is mostly procedural democracy (democracy through election). China is whole-process democracy. Each has its own merit, but the problem is when you mix capitalism with procedural democracy, then it becomes plutocracy because you need money to lead. Another problem is that procedural democracy only grant the people power during the election period. This system is also prone to populism where the leader with more charm gets the vote. For whole process democracy, the system relies on the meritocratic selection system of leadership which make sense but can also be prone to abuse and corruption. It is improving with better and more transparent oversight. I have lived in both system and overall I prefer the whole process democracy with strict and transparent oversight. A leader's merit is just too important to ignore.
90% of my Chinese friends in Shanghai hate CCP. Stop spreading fake info 🤣
@@user-kc9mc5yd5w I guess you need more friends.
@@Kimmimaro86 Your guess is not correct 🤣 My company used to deal with more than two hundred Chinese suppliers most of them are friends and they hate CCP.
@@user-kc9mc5yd5w Thanks for debunking not all Chinese is brainwashed. And yes,capitalist hate socialist. You're not wrong.
I'm not Chinese but I feel the west has been very hard and harsh on China. Hence I'm glad you spoke up fairly.
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The problem with current democracies, it is very expensive to run in an election, for the US, it takes hundreds of millions of dollars to run in the presidential elections. So their candidates have to solicit funds from people and corporations, the rich are the people the candidates will have to cater to and get money from. After being elected, it's time to pay back with favors and contracts.
Nothing America does is about democracy or human rights, it's always about wealth extraction, just follow the money.
Whether China or any other country is a democracy or not doesn't even matter to America, as long as those countries allow America to privatize their resources and means of production and to extract wealth from it then they are a democracy and champions of human rights.
There is not one model that is the holy grail! We. Can be different and coexist! What works for you is legit!
Agreed. I hope other countries discover a suitable model of governance that suits their countries best, rather than just blindly copying Western-style democracy for the sake of it. China has demonstrated that not all countries have to copy Western-style democracy to be successful.
@@Shenzhou.and Sammy How true!
One of the biggest fallacies of Western liberal democracy is that everybody has the right to choose (ie vote) for their future and their leader, which will lead to a happy society and good governance. However, why should such “right” be given to those who have no interest in politics, those who have not served a single day in civil service or community, those who are driven by self interest or lobbyists, or those with no concept of the common long-term good?
Choosing a leader is a privilege, not an automatic right. It should be given to those who are dedicated, experienced and capable to serve, regardless of their ideology or popular appeal.
The Western liberal democracy as practiced by the US is more like a tweedism democracy that no longer represents the people. It's no longer about who have the better idea that gets elected, but who is better financed, and the means beholden to the wealthy corporate donors.
Here is a really old article that says, "91% of the time the better-financed candidate wins." (Washington Post By Wesley Lowery, circa April 4, 2014) Search for the quoted text for link to article.
Pascal, you really have given us a broad perspective on what constitutes a democracy, and I'd have to say that the Chinese system produces the results reflective from a very democratic process. In some ways it is like a large corporation running the country, but doing it for the people, not for a few shareholders.
The CPC is so much different from anything people in the West have ever tried to visualize. It has over 90 million members, selected meritocratically. This means that the well-selected from the whole country are participating in the governing process.But they carry out central planning to benefit everyone.
Telling it like it is. Not hard at all, IMO, to see and figure out what's going on, in China vs. other "democratic" countries. Still, it takes work to break things down and put together a succinct presentation as Pascal did here, for which he deserves full credit. To reach out, trying to get through to the other side, to the propagandists and the propagandized, will be a near impossible task.
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Homogeneity vs superiority ?
Imagine there is a Sim City National Championship held in China. The competitors would furiously build better and bigger cities, until someone with the most number of happy Sims becomes the champion.
The US held its own championship. Each competitor would be given the stage to make the case on how great they are at playing Sim City. The spectators got to vote the best two finalists, who will have a great debate on why one is better than the other. Again, the spectators got to vote who wins the championship.
Now, imagine an international championship. Guess who got his ass kicked?
Four years later, US insists on doing the same.
And this goes on forever....
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“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”
― Issac Asimov
I'm a believer in that.
It’s great to see so much progress in China the last 40 years. And that speaks to the its ever evolving self-correcting mechanism which I was not so aware of previously. Hopefully it will keep improving and demonstrate that there’s perhaps a better model for running a country.
China sucks it's not a practical model
Congratulations Pascal! You are a damn good teacher. Thanks!
Thanks
Democracy is by the people of the people for the people
But the US and the West are Demo crazy by the politician of the politician for the politician 😂😂😂
Another excellent video Pascal. I get it. My compatriots won't. Keep up the excellent work.
I will. Thanks!
Very good presentation, I have been pondering this subject for a while now and think we in the west have something to learn from our Chinese friends
If it benefits for the people, that's democracy to me. If it benefits only a few like the richest and the powerful elites, that's oligarchy.
The West is Plutocracy really.
Well said you are very good at analyzing and comparing and balance with the good and bad to see it’s growth love your work
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Westerners cannot understand this topic because they can only project China with the social structure they are familiar with.
What we call democracy in the West is the capitalist modern parliament. The capitalist aristocracy decides policies through majority vote.The people's votes can only choose the capital aristocracy of one party to represent themselves, and the people are still suppressed by the aristocracy, which is not much different from the feudal era.
In today's China, the capital aristocracy has been kicked out of politics, and the party and government are designed to formulate policies through consultation by the elites of the people, and It is not that there are no opposition in China, but all opposition is actually within the government, the people have suppressed the aristocracy.
This is the biggest difference between Chinese democracy and the West. It is also advanced in terms of the evolution of human social forms.
Thanks for adding!
same thing how china import ideologies from india - buddhism.
Despite being powerful and prosperous during that time, china still send people to study new ideology and bring it back that suit chinese characters - mahayana.
chinese didn’t bring hinayana school of taught nor caste system practice back to china despite feudal system at that time.
@@fannyalbi9040 It is really interesting to understand from the perspective of Buddhism. Chinese emperors, whether Han or northern nomads, have always hoped to use the mature system of official power to weaken the power of the aristocracy. Mahayana Buddhism and Confucianism overlap in many places. Very beneficial to the emperor's rule.
On the contrary, Theravada Buddhism and the caste system are conducive to the rule of the aristocracy, which has also caused a bottleneck in the development of India, and cannot completely liberate the productive forces. The aristocracy does not want to see the continued development of the Indian people.
There must be a revolution in the future of India, and the desires of the people at the bottom will break through the repression of the caste system.
@@ashavahishta7023 chinese herself already had many schools of taught during that time. And like many old civilisation, no human rights nor liberation to begin with.
China upper rulers could use caste system to rule the lower society but old days china for whatever reason didn’t import the idea but prefer Confucianism instead
And then modern china import another ideology from outside after collapse of the imperialism - communism, with chinese characteristics 😂 and the rest is history.
talk about import outside ideas to reform society without the religion rigidity, i think china is the only society to do that. Most are either reject outside idea or import religion dogmatic doctrine to rule society.
All systems have their own shortcomings. All were invented by worldly beings, not god. Nothing is perfect. What's most important is to choose a system that look after the welfare of the people more, that foster a harmonious society and there are equal opportunity without discrimination for all.
Totally agree. A system is invented by humans and can be exploited by humans. If one blindly follows a system without looking at specific problems of each country and worked hard to solve the problems, the end result is always poverty for the people. Just look at India. China eliminated absolute poverty by monitoring each and every case of poverty. They have overcome the challenge. But new challenges will arise. How to maintain the elimination of absolute poverty as poverty can crop back anytime.
Thank you Pascal, you did it as before to explain about China so welll so many times. Every dynasty in China in the past 3 thousand years started with people's dissent of the previous ruling system, leading to a new dynasty with happier and prosperous people for 2 to 3 houndred years and followed by people's revolt of poorer population and polarized societies led by the then current corrupted governing authority. That goes on and on in China and the people and leaders know that very well. China has the experience of governing of a countries during its ups and downs. The rises and falling of dynasties is a mirror for any country to learn, including the US. People is the master, not the rich political leaders and military industries to reap profit through instigating conflicts and wars of other countries.
Here's a Chinese analogy taken off Weibo, to explain the Russo-Ukraine conflict in the form of a family drama:
More than 20 years ago, Ukraine divorced her ex-husband (Russia), and took several children along with her.
Still, the ex-husband was very accommodating to her and left her with a lot of family property. After that, the ex-husband also paid off more than 200 billion in debts for her.
After getting rid of her ex-husband, Ukraine started flirting with the village chief (United States) and his harem of concubines (NATO countries) until she was completely ensnared in their arms.
That's still acceptable to a certain point, (but) she was smitten with the village tyrant, and hooked up with him in a plan to attack her ex-husband.
The ex-husband was very angry and had insisted on returning a child: Crimea.
Ukraine began to harboring grudges against her ex-husband, and dreams of someday marrying into the NATO family, which in turn would lead them right up to her ex-husband's doorstep.
But the truth is that the village chief didn't really want to marry Ukraine into the family. After all, she was high-maintenance and loved to pocket his money (corruption). His many wives also didn't want Ukraine to join family, but in front of Ukraine, they were all smiles and encouraging her to join.
The village chief just wanted to use her like a pawn to bully her ex-husband. After 8 years of constant abuse, her two children (Donetsk and Luhansk) were crying and imploring for help from their father.
The village chief was always on the sidelines in the ex-husband and wife quarrel, occasionally sending in expired items (ammunition) from time to time. Because of that, Ukraine thought she had someone to support her, and became even more presumptuous towards her ex-husband.
The ex-husband could bear it no longer, took another glance at the poor treatment of the children, and rushed over in defense of his two children, so the ex husband and wife started fighting.
Now, the village chief and his many wives are cheering on Ukraine from the sidelines, yet none of them are willing to lift an actual finger and partake in the fighting themselves.
Ukraine is unlikely to marry into the NATO family, because that would mean that the village chief and his many wives would be obliged to join the fight against the ex-husband.
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Hopefully this analogy puts the Russo-Ukraine conflict into perspective and on a more relatable level.
A very vivid explanation.
Pascal thanks for this video. It is well explained. The fact that West cannot accept China’s system which is working for them is actually undemocratic ! It would be good to also explain the National People’s Congress and the 2 sessions where politicians are meeting the people in consultative way and that is where the decisions are taking for the coming year, of course in the direction to achieve the 5 year plan. But it would get too long to explain. Thanks again.
Thanks. I did explain it somehow a year ago when 2 sessions happened. ruclips.net/video/BySKZFr1mYU/видео.html As it is current news again today, could consider re-iterati
ng it.
The US gov't only have plans to divide other countries and oppress their rising such as China and Russia.
In the West, "autocracy" is a dirty word. I don't see it that way...
Autocracy simply means unlimited authority. This can be a bad thing if the people in power are bad. But it can be a great thing if the people in power are good.
The alternative, liberal democracy, is no guarantee of good governance. It can also be bad or good depending on the people in power. Yes, it does provide a mechanism for replacing the people in power but this still doesn't guarantee good governance. I can show you numerous examples where this is the case, where free and open elections still produce garbage governance.
This is not to say that either China's system nor the Western system is perfect. They can both work, and they can both fail. But so far, China's system works well.
The valid worry Westerners have is how to turn around bad governance in authoritarian regimes if people in charge cannot be voted out. The valid worry Chinese have is how to adjust and improve bad governance in democratic regimes if it is not self correcting and based on popularity and money.
@@PascalCoppens Indeed, China has turned around bad governance for thousands of years through the "mandate of heaven." A failing government falls, sometimes violently. While Western democracy tries to avoid this, it doesn't always prevent violence. We have the Capitol Hill riots as an example. Another example is North Macedonia in 2017.
Despite the fact that China and the West hold different views on democracy, the proof is in the pudding, as the saying goes...
China's political system works well for the Chinese. The CPC has delivered the goods for more than four decades.
- phenomenal economic growth
- eradication of extreme poverty
- fantastic infrastructure
- powerful military which guarantees China's security
- protection from COVID-19 - fewer than 6,000 deaths!
- stable government and stable society
The West's liberal democratic system has not worked particularly well.
- US politics is deeply polarized and practically paralyzed - it has produced Donald Trump and the Capitol Hill riots
- Americans don't have affordable health care
- America has rampant homelessness
- America suffers from rampant gun violence, systemic racism, and an opioid epidemic
- America suffers from mass incarceration - the highest number and the highest rate in the world
- America has internment camps at its southern border for illegal immigrants
- Indian democracy is a disaster
- Taiwanese democracy is a disaster - it is notorious for its parliamentary brawls
- Brazil, Hungary, Turkey, etc. - all of these have degenerated into illiberal democracies (or dictatorships)
Western liberal democracy has a terrible track record.
Like I said: *The proof is in the pudding.*
The Edelman Trust Barometer, Latana's Democracy Perception Index, and a study by Ash Center at Harvard Kennedy School show China on top. Western democracies fare rather poorly.
Thanks for sharing. I use many of your points in my keynotes too
Ukraine is fighting to remain a democracy while autocratic Russia is fighting to turn Ukraine into an autocracy, or just destroy it.
@@Andy-P ???
I didn't say a word about Ukraine. Your comment doesn't belong here.
@@horridohobbies okay fair point. I was just saying given the choice Ukraine chooses democracy. It has experienced both systems. Same for Taiwan.
@@Andy-P China also chooses democracy. However, China's democracy does not hew to the Western liberal model.
The West cannot define democracy for the world. China's democracy is every inch as valid as Western democracy.
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By the way, *Latana's Democracy Perception Index 2021* shows that the Chinese believe they have plenty of democracy. The Americans, not so much! Look it up.
Chinese are pragmatic people. If someone is successfull in some field, they beleaves this person know what he is doing in that field.
That how meritocracy work.
That's the way it should work.
No Fortune 500 company or any successful business corporations choose their CEO by election by their employees. To succeed, they identify high potential staff and groom them through widening their exposure in all aspects of the business and through 360 or 180 degree performance appraisal, the brightest management staff is identified to take the senior management post. China is using the best business management practice to run its huge country . Running a country as big as China, nothing less than best management practice will work.
2021 published "democracy index" of the world, china rank 148 of 167 countries.
most ppl think "democracy" (west standard) is good, so china is almost the worst country in the world. based on this index, china is worse than somalia indonesia thailand south africa ukraine india bangladesh sri lanka nigeria iraq brazil haiti kenya jamaica ......every country u know, is better than china.
is that true? think twice, do u really think china is worse than all countries? or, what is wrong with this index? what is wrong with ?
objective and super-incisive analysis, eye-opening at the same time.👍👍
Thanks
Pascal, your work is great! Wonderful if there were as much good information available in French.
Dmocracy in US is just another saying about plutocracy where the richest 1% can drive politician to make the system favorable to themselves. I believe the result should carry more weight than the election process. Afterall we people all deserve a better life today and the future.
Smart man! Your understanding of Chinese governance is a lot more profound and a lot more abundant than Jim Rogers, the hedge fund tycoon.
Trying to. Thanks
Thanks for shedding light on this.
“The Test of a Political System Is Whether It Improves the Standard Of Living & Livelihood for Its People. - Mr.Lee Kuan Yew ( Great Leader of Singapore)
Knowing that within Western circles, the discourse tend to cast a misinformed veil on both China and Russia,
I'm always appreciative of views that look through the veil for a more real China, such as yours.
That said, by chance might there be a need to look through the veil on Russia as well?
Also, great content. Would you consider doing a video on what China's government covered during the recent fifth 13th NPC ?
When we do things some people think there is only one way to do it. But in real life there are always more than one way to accomplish the same thing
Imagine if innovation would be a rigid system like democracy, then we would not have invented most of the things we enjoy today.
Propaply the most enjoyable video I wach in months. I wish we have more realistic people like you. Respect from Cyprus
Western democracy: by the people, not for the people
Chinese democracy: for the people, by a group of people.
As always, Totally Brilliant, and fresh way of thinking about democracy !!
Thanks Allen!
@@PascalCoppens 中国的民主反应了人民的声音
Thank you for the thorough explanation of democracy, what it should mean. I cannot do a better job than you, bout even if I do, being Chinese automatically loses all creditability in the current atmosphere. Secondly, people might attack you as defending China, but really it's more like educating typical Westenr for their own goods. Anything good about China just not acceptable in Western media.
That's what I find extremely frustrating about Western media, everything it black & white. It's now bad Putin bad, and runs to extreme miscalculation on the Ukraine situation, as it the west fails to understand Putin's motivation, and comes up with outlandish reasons that boarders on fantasy.
Realpolitik & Clausewitz: Russian strategy leaves West puzzled (Live)
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good said and description , MY highly respect in your view Mr Coppens
there always a best way for their own country, the democracy base in my understanding is "RESPECT" !
good luck and blessing to people like YOU !
You are correct sir
The Crusade is over!
Suoerb explanation, thank you 🙏🙏🙏
1a: government by the people
especially : rule of the majority
b: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections
2: a political unit that has a democratic government
3 capitalized : the principles and policies of the Democratic party in the U.S.
from emancipation Republicanism to New Deal Democracy
- C. M. Roberts
4: the common people especially when constituting the source of political authority
5: the absence of hereditary or arbitrary class distinctions or privileges
This is a very excellent video about China’s form of democracy, which is based upon meritocracy.
Thank you, Pascal, for your insights.
Pleasure
Too bad this channel is so small in terms of subscriptions!
I've been learning so much with open-minded people such as Pascal, Dumbrill, professor Elias Jabbour
Thanks. I am patient.
I had technical glitch this week to upload the video, so little behind schedule.
Finally....your audience miss you like how they miss Liziqi ❤️
@@relaxwhc In the middle of preparing booklaunch...crazy times.
Hi Pascal, this is NOT one of your best videos, this is THE Best.
Wow, thanks
Man 。I have a lot to learn from you
Thank you
Yes it is kinda like a company, except that the measure of success is not profits, it is economic prosperity and people's satisfaction.
The most important point that you didn’t point out is that if they are given the chance to vote. More than 90% will vote for the incumbent government. Just like when Lee Kuan Yew passed away, we all stood in the rain to send him off. Western government will never understand why the PAP stays in government for almost 60 years. We don’t see the need for 2 parties to achieve democracy. We understand the ability of the system to promote the right candidate up to govern the people
Great explainer Pascal. I'm a Brit who's lived in China for the last 18 years, the changes I have seen in people's lives has been incredible. A political system should be judged mostly on whether it improves the lives of its people year on year, and China does. Unfortunately over the same amount of time I've seen the decline in living standards of many of my friends and family in Western style democracies. It's not about ideology it's about a pragmatic system set up to continually raise the living standards of a population.
Fantastic video. Thanks
Well said! Unbiased analysis, with all my respect ✊
Thanks, Pascal, for an objective view
Truly appreciate your insight into China. However this time I think you may be trying too hard. China has just a different system that works and may be we should give it another name. I think the main difference with China is accountability. Government officials are all hold accountable and everything is based on merit and result vs the west being based on rhetoric and, you rightly said, popularity.
Very well said! Thank you for explaining
Glad it was helpful!
A very fair presentation. 👍 Pascal
Thanks!
There are many Chinese officers who got sacked for doing badly. 💥
If only our own government, media and to a certain extent our population would have the capacity to look to the world with nuance and empathic glasses to understand and respect other view points. The world would be far better off and that counts for China, Russia, Africa, nuclear energy debate etc etc. Excellent video ! This brings people together instead of polarization.
The good thing about China's system is that you can change policies incredibly quick. If a policy isn't working, the CPC will vote to change it. Whereas policies in the US are so difficult to change.
I think there should be a new way to measure democracy: the relative distance between a de jure democracy and a de facto democracy. De jure is that on paper and procedural, a country can be democratic, but if it is not measure with de facto democracy.
De facto democracy will measure:
1. the policies that people desire gets enacted vs. policies they don't want or don't care for, will indicate power distribution among the population
2. wealth inequality that indicate how wealth is concentrated,
3. poverty level indicates how fair the overall system is able to redistribute wealth and give prosperity to all,
4. combined 2 and 3 will give us measurement of the utilitarian level of the policies that helps distribution of wealth
5. achieving basic living standards: including true access to education, housing, jobs, savings and retirement, healthcare etc.,
6. labor union power measured against corporate power, pervasiveness of unions and whether unions have enough power for negotations
7. imperialistic tendencies of the countries' foreign policies
8. media independence from powerful influences including government and corporations, to examine the level of propaganda that skewed toward powerful elites, both state and private.
9. measurement of the citizens' information bubble derived from covert and overt propaganda and indoctrination - true measurement of freedom of thought
If you start measuring democracy in the de facto manner, I will bet a lot of money that the US will drop in democracy ranking tremendously. The current way these metrics are measured is absurdly skewed toward de jure democracy that serves to put western countries on a higher moral pedestal that they do not deserve and these fake moral high grounds are weaponized for diplomatic imperialism from the west. Also, take note that non of the defactor democracy measurements are measuring concepts and system implementation. The results are what matters, and it doesn't really matter what system you used to achieve democratic results - ie. policies and results that benefit the most people possible and keep abuses from the wealthy and political elite low.
We will have classification like True Democracy (maybe some Scandinavian countries will qualified) where both the de jure and de facto measurements are high; Superficial Democracy (US, UK and probably most of western Europe, even India) where de jure is high but de facto is low; Practiced Democracy (China, Singapore and some other prosperous countries with stronger dejure authoritarianism) where the de jure is low but de facto is high, and Undemocratic (usually failed states) where de jure is low and de facto is low.
I am from Korea 🇰🇷 and I have to say, Although I am not a big fan of China. They seem to have more sense than the hegemony of the west and US now. I would believe that human rights and China-style Social-Democracy way is much better.
Well analyzed! In climbing a mountain, there is not one way in reaching the Summit, there are many paths to it!
Oxford Dictionary - Democracy (noun) : a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives, eg. "a system of parliamentary democracy"
I don't see how anyone can sincerely claim 2,952 out of (supposedly) 1,455,659,073 people (0.0002%) can be counted as the whole population. Even if we were outrageously generous and said that it was an acceptable number, even the 2,952 are not granted a free vote - not one person ever abstains, votes against, makes a protest vote, anything? Give me a break.
I think it's best we keep our opinions to ourselves especially ignorant people in the west whois never lived a single day in China to make a stupid comment like they are not a democracy. I'm from Canada, in our most recent election held in October 2021, 38% of registered voters didn't vote. If we love our system so much, great, but we have no right to bash another country and criticize their system.
Very objective commentary!
Whether it’s democracy or autocracy the real issue is whether a country’s ideology is backed by meritocracy. China was not a meritocracy before but since it adopted meritocracy especially in the last 4 decades its people have enjoyed a better lives now. This reality of meritocracy is not even practiced by most democracies including US. US is actually a Plutocracy where only the top 1% are well taken care of while more than 50% of its population has suffered a worst lives than 4 decades ago which is ironic! It means democracy may not work for all.
My country is a democracy but no meritocracy thus its not doing well too.
I heard someone put it this way, the West practise democracy at voting time, China most of the time. It may be a bit exaggerated but food for thought.
Not just the West, it's the common game plan in almost all "democratic" nations. Keep voting but NOTHING changes for the people, except for the corporations.
Most politicians (esp. when getting higher) are not sincere in helping to improve the livelihood of the masses. Every move they make only eyes for votes.
Election itself is marred by dirty money and backdoor agreements.
That's the truth about "democracy" nowadays.
fully agreed, right, this is no end point, no matter political system, economic models, law.... after 5000 years of history, people know that things move gradually and, changes is the true eternity.
This video is brilliant! It is so well explained!!!
Thanks
Thank-You Pascal, very well put, I have been trying to understand this point on China. In the west we have been pretty much programmed to keep our eye on China. I have now for 50 years and I have come to the conclusion that there is absolutely no other Country that put more smiles on peoples faces than China. China gave us all the opportunity to dream. While our Democratically elected officials were negotiating with Big corporations to keep wages low, the Chinese moved in and filled that income gap. They were a Jack in the Box of great surprises. As a result today when the wise look for solutions, they look to China. I hope I have the opportunity to get to know my friends more....THANK-YOU CHINA
very very well said. my full respect. deep knowledge about.china
Thanks
Complicated, but very well explained. A lot of nuances indeed.
The idea of democracy is decision by majority. It is originally designed to resolve disputed issues. To use it in a political election is a flaw because it relies on the integrity and ability of the elected personnel to run a multi-facet government. An elected government (especially majority) is entrusted with absolute power and so is equivalent to an autocracy. In almost all western 'democracy', politicians exercise their full power to benefit themselves personally and to maneuver the destiny of the people whether they like it or not.
In China, Dr. Sun forced the abduction of the Qing Emperor to construct a Republic abolishing thousands of years of Feudal and Imperial Reigns and Chairman Mao adds the name "Peoples'" meaning from now on the people is the true foundation and representation of the country (and those corrupted politicians please go to hell). Genius and frontrunner comrade Deng shifted on the ascending gear to stabilize the economy and President Xi consolidated the structure to build a harmonize world.
And, the western democracy has changed its name to demoncrazy, crazily using propaganda and fake news as a weapon to demonize their adversaries. Their failure can be manifested in the drifting apart of the filthy rich and the suffering poor. A tiny percentage of the hyper-rich owning 96% of the national wealth and the majority either line up for the food bank or with blood sucked up by credit card companies charging shark-loan rates. Shame to all those so-called the holiness of all holies 'democratic' shameless system.
True that Indian democracy is different - that is why India does not have reeducation centres in Kashmir as China has in Xinyang
agree! i subscribed you !
Excellent said
"The end justifies the means." So true.
Well said