A Forgotten Adventuring Gear | The Noggin
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- Used as a personal drinking cup, measuring cup, type of liquid, the Noggin is a historical piece of adventuring gear. The term Noggin was used to describe a small cup as far back as the 1400s, and was used by trappers, rangers, hunters, scouts and guides through the 18th century. An excellent and very useful piece of gear for your adventures.
Very similar to the Kuksa or the Quaich, the Noggin is a small wooden cup often carved from the burl of a tree. Similar cups are used by some adventurers practicing bushcraft today.
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A thought, I’ve often heard a noggin used in either a joking term or an insult. A noggin is a empty wooden thing. Maybe the term was an insult it joke comparing someone’s head to an empty vessel.
If you drink nog from a noggin, then your noggin will hurt in the morning 😂😂
Makes perfect sense to me, it's one of those phrases that still around despite having lost it's context.
Or tapping someone on the head with it. Maybe that was the source of the joke, you tap it on their head and it sounds empty, or you tap their head with one hand while tapping the noggin with the other.
I think we might have something there. The phrase, " use your noggin" could also mean use your tool, the tool being the noggin, and synonymously mean to think or use your head. Then to bring the point home they then get tapped with it.
certainly sounds a better connection than "comes from drinking out of skulls"
I can confirm. The key to a successful adventure is to not lose your noggin.
Not a bad idea. Perhaps I'll also keep it with my towel that every good hitchhiker needs..
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Which noggin?
I inherited my Grandfather's Noggin.
When my Grandfather was in primary school, very early 20th century, all students had to bring their own drinking cup to the schoolhouse for getting a drink from the well pump. The most popular of the time was a collapsable tin cup. You can still get the same design in stainless steel or plastic for the collapsable cup that fits in the pocket of your trousers.
What such a cup was called in in the rura school days was a "noggin". You needed spoon and noggin at lunchtime.
'Noggin' is also a carpentry or timber framing term for a short piece of wood fixed/nailed between just two long beams rather than morticed/inlet and possibly connecting several beams.
One of the benefits of using wooden items is that they're not as cold as plastic or metal in the winter. Lips and tongues won't get stuck in the winter! Also wooden grip on tools and weapons will not transfer cold to the hand as fast as metal. Cheers!!!
Where would we be without the noble tree? 🥰
@@madwhitehare3635 Up a Mold Slime?
1:35 My immediate thought was "That looks just like a kuksa!" Here in the Nordic Countries/Scandinavia we still commonly use them during outdoors activities, such as hiking or fishing trips.
I also noticed that the handled noggin at 2:00 looks exactly like a small kiulu. Kiulu is a traditional Finnish vessel that has been used for stuff like milking animals, brewing and drinking sahti, carrying and holding water (especially löyly water in sauna), and even as a chamber pot.
they're called a "kåsa" in swedish
Doing background for a larp once, I wrote in for one group that part of the coming of age for a boy was over his 13th autumn, go out to the woods with an elder and find a few suitable pieces of wood and would then over the winter make a cup (it was expected to fail the first couple of times which is why a few pieces would be chosen). In the spring the women would judge the cups the maker of a good cup "good husband material" as it took perseverance, patience, care, and the use of tools and fire, things to look for in a good provider. Any significant changes in a person's life in that culture would be greeted with the making a new cup. Getting married, having a child, leaving home etc. They were also protective of their cups, handling another man's noggin without his OK could cause a fight.
"Handling another man's noggin" made me realize it does kinda look like a codpiece.
Ancestral rock making as a sign of prowess but applied to Nogs.
this is unironically beautiful worldbuilding
I do like the concept of rites of passage involving making things, or proving that you have the skills and drive necessary to be a productive member of the group in some fashion. The marriage ceremony I created for my elves (ElfQuest-style elves) involved taking the bride out to a different part of the woods and hiding her, and she had a certain amount of time (I think it was until sunrise, maybe it was sunrise on the third day?) to craft something for the groom, while the groom had to track her down during that time.
And a few friends of the couple would participate by following him around, and if he was getting too off track or too frustrated, they'd appear with a clue, but he had to give them a piece of his clothing to buy the clue. The more the friends wanted the couple to get together, the easier they made the chase, but not *too* easy because Reasons.
If the couple passed that test, they'd be cast out from the village for a moon, during which time they had to live together and provide for each other, thus showing that they were skilled enough, mature enough, and compatible enough to function as a unit. If they gave up and came home, the marriage would be canceled (though they could try again a different year). Possibly members of the tribe kept an eye on them just in case.
And when they came back successfully, they were welcomed as if new people to the tribe -- and anyone who'd gotten a piece of the groom's clothing would pay it back with a new, better version that they'd constructed during the month's absence!
straight up stealing this idea. Sorrynotsorry!
Here in Ireland we still commonly use 'naggin' to describe a small bottle of spirits (usually vodka or whiskey). They're about the size of a hip flask
Great work. Really enjoyed this one, now I'm going to have to do some research on personal drinking vessels in medieval England and see what I can find!
Kevin Hicks over on Thehistorysquad might have some info on that. He does all kinds of Medieval England reenactments and general history videos.
Hope you get a chance to share what you find! Thank you Sir Jason!
@@LivingAnachronismur rly cute
The origin of noggin as head is known. As others have mentioned, noggin is also a term for a wooden spar used to reduce twist by way of bracing between wooden beams. There is an alcohol reference, but not the cup or nog ale (Which has separate origins). In cooperage, the head of a barrel is made up of separate boards, the larger central boards and the shorter pieces making up the edges of the head. The shorter boards are cants and the larger boards (staves really) share the same name as their carpentry brethren. Noggins.
To "Knock on the noggin" was to hammer a tap in to a new barrel.
It's also why people say "knock on wood" and knock on their own heads.
There was a superstition around knocking in taps in casks. They took many forms, but mostly it was about bad technique would mean sour beer. So knocking on the head beforehand for luck became a thing.
From Wikpedia: "Guksi (or Finnish: kuksa; Swedish: kåsa) is a type of drinking cup traditionally duodji crafted by the Sami people of northern Scandinavia from carved birch burl. The burl is contoured to a rough shape, carefully dried to prevent the wood from cracking, then formed in accordance with the local traditions. Birch burl kuksas last longer than plain birch kuksas. Originally guksi, or kuksa, were widely used in Arctic areas as a personal drinking cup; a well-made guksi would last a lifetime."
I think the noggin cup would be one of the most useful item to have as part if your kit. A cup, a spoon, a ladle, makeshift shovel or digging tool, a bowl, makeshift weapon. Possibly the best, as far as, informative and thought provoking video ❤
The hand carved “canoe spoon” could also be used as a small mortar, or even a bobber for a very stout fishing line
To use something where you eat/drink out of to dig would be a last resort. Even in less aware days i can’t imagine someone doing that over digging with a stick. Dirt has been considered dirty for a long tine
@@pedroclaro7822 sometimes you have to do things you normally wouldn't because of necessity. Necessity is the mother of invention. If you need to have a light pack, you will have to have multi-purpose tools. An item that I can use to dig for fresh water is more important to my survival than the added weight of an item I may not use at all. Dirt is not going to kill you. The bugs you are able filter out the water, because you had a tool and were able to dig a hole few feet away from the questionable water source, however is a bit more important.
Think of it as a possible survival need for your pack as a multi-purpose tool and less as a cup
well i carry a steel trowel anyway for catholes, so i dont need it. but yeah when it comes to saving weight its all about multipurpose items and being ressourcefull. plus it's probably better to use a tool to dig than your hands with which you eat.@@onexkiss :)
Fantastic discovery. My first thought concerning the "sharp" hook of the noggin was that the strap and toggle were meant to be held there while looping around the belt. This would give a shorter line and make the noggin more secure as you walk.
interesting chap. Nog and Dram are words still used today in parts of the UK, and are indeed specific measurements, at least within the whisky making industry. Nog is English and Irish, Dram is Scottish. My grandmother would use the word Nog to mean a shot glass worth, and she would use this in baking. eg 3 Nogs of brandy in the Christmass cake via holes poked in with knitting needles...every week.. for 3 months. mmmm... good cake.
The cap on bottles of spirits (way back when) was also used a measure device and you can still find some that say 1 nog.
I speculate the term Noggin - comes from literally meaning your 'drinking hole', as a phrase popular in the north of England and Ireland is 'shut your drinking hole', or shut yer noggin. Also people still in certain areas of England use the phrase 'mug hole' rather than 'mug' to mean face or rather mouth. Again.. the phrase shut your mug hole!
In Portugal we have the Cucharro, which is basically the same logic, but made of cork, used to be carried along something called a Tarro, which is a small cork container that kept food warm for shepherds mostly in the Alentejo region of Portugal.
Reminds me of the stainless steel Sierra Cup, in that even without the lanyard and knob, it can fit securely under a belt and be held in place. Ready to sip out of the many streams and such before people worried about Giardia and dysentery.
I live in Sweden and my grandparents had something very similar to that. Not Sami but part of the Forest Finns. I don't know if they ever used them, more than likely just a decorative item but I suppose they could have. They also had a birch bark backpack hanging on the wall if I remember correctly.
I don't think the little hook is a cheese slicer. I think that after passing the string through the belt, you put it into the slot, with the toggle resting against the side of the cup to keep the string from coming out.
This makes a lot of sense too. It's entirely possible that the saleswoman who informed me was incorrect
I was thinking the same, and came here to see if anyone else saw that too.
Additionally, cheese carried on the road would likely be a harder cheese as that would last longer. Just as travel bread was usually harder, think hard tack. Bread of this type didn't go off as a regular loaf would since it had been baked to a drier state. I can't really see the hook as a carving instrument. Plus, most people had a smallish belt knife to use for eating, whittling, whatever.
@@LivingAnachronism one thing it could be used is to scrap something like bees wax from a hive, or pine sap from a tree for some small application …. Going to make my own comment on the differences in design between the hand carved spoon and the bucket shape
Agreed. I can't see how you would slice anything without getting it jammed in that recess, there are far better places for a wedge. It could well be a purely aesthetic flourish, but a hook is certainly practical.
This would also be good to have a separate cup for recently boiled water to cool a bit before you drink it. In bushcraft, one might use their canteen to boil water and instead of having to wait for all that water to cool enough to drink you could just pour enough for a time being to cool. Hope I'm making sense. Lol
The wooden cup was a staple of the medieval pilgrims walking across Europe for hundreds of years.
The nog is an interesting personal drinking vessel. I like how it can be as simple or eloquent as somebody wants it to be.
Here in Sweden our old drinking cups for travel are called a Kåsa and we still use them today when we are out in the woods.
4:08 the smooth addition of “my wife” I love it BTW CONGRATULATIONS
To be fair, having to constantly remind somebody to use their little carry cup will eventually feel like telling them to use their head
THanks. I am thinking if this fits into wassailing/mummung/caroling traditions (especially considering the eggnog connection) where it would indeed be ideal for each caroller to have their own drinking vessel so new cups do not have to be produced at each stop in the merryment. Good job.
The foam in a beer is called a head. The first time I had shine I was told to let it go to my head. I think distilleries use terms like heads, Hearst, and bodies. So it makes sense why it's a noggin.
Kit idea - a belt loop with a ring fastened to it, large enough to pass the toggle through long- ways. That way, you aren't trying to make enough room behind your belt to get your cup loose.
or a double rope with a few knots
My guy doesn’t disappoint.
Sliding in with something new I’ve never heard of before from history every time he makes a video.
Hmmm I wonder if the Noggin derives from when ancient German/Celts would use the skulls of their enemies as cups/goblets for wine/mead/beer. Man those must've been fun times. LOL
I feel this is the reason too, hence the association with heads. An old English children's cartoon was called Noggin the Nog lol. It could also be possible that it was a Nordic helmet of some kind also being used to collect a small amount of water or ale in, again associated with the head.
yeah I always drink from the skull of my enemies while hiking
@@TrueFork The only way 😁
Its gives it that...artisan taste to the drink I find @@kimwilson3863
Skulls usually make terrible cups. They've got way too many holes and sharp edges sticking up.
That noggin bucket barrel with wooden handle is here used in steam bath / sauna to keep water in for making the steam in the bath. It is perfect to use in the steam bath as it is made of wood so it can handle both the heat and the steam. A plastic bucket would melt and deform because it can be 90C + and a metal bucket would be dangerous as you would burn yourself badly if you touch it, so wood is the perfect material.
Noggings, sometimes also called noggins, are the horizontal ties between joists in ceilings, roofs or joists. I was unable to find the origin of this specific term, but the phrase "don't bump your noggin", noggin in this case referring to head, seems like it should be related since it might be common for someone not watching what they are doing to hit one's head on these ceiling structure members when constructing a building.
Yes, kuksa goes with me to each historical camping trip, medieval fair and modern hiking trips. Like last weekend at 1700's hunting camp
I love carrying all sorts of cups with various outfits.
Currently looking to get something for an Elven Ranger outfit, so this might be an item to consider.
I'm glad you mentioned Native Americans as well as, years ago, I dipped my toe into learning the Ojibwe language and was surprised when I learned the Ojibwe word for a small cup/dsh was "onaagaans" or "onaaganens". I'm still not sure if it's a borrow word from English to Ojibwe or Ojibwe to English, but just one more tidbit for you to mull over. :)
Boozhoo! I always felt that this greeting could be an adaptation of 'bonjour' (and wiki seems to say maybe as well) so you might be onto something there...
My mother used this term for a small piece of food like bread , butter or cheese.
She was not irish but from east anglia, the have their own termanology there.
Egg nog is ised with alcohol like advocat, or gin not with bier.
Another possible use is to make music, in Spain we have "castanets", which now, thanks to your video, I can see in another way, imagining them as old spoons or measuring tools as well.
Excellent information Kramer. I personally carry the kuksa. I like the size, feels like a proper cup of tea, apple cider or hot chocolate.
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My guess is that the thin notch could be for a knife blade as a metal handle, so if you have to dip it something hot like a Stew soup or could also be a make shift deli slicer for meat and cheese
Kramers videos are just neat. I’d never learn any of this without these videos.
I hate rabbit holes. It's 3am, and im watching a video about a wood cup. This started out as checking stats on one of my shorts to this.
Somewhat of a late congrats on your wedding! I said it before when I saw the post announcing it, but haven't watched a vid since.
I love that new piece of gear you found! I've been slowly working on a medieval/fantasy look to wear for everyday, and I might get that just to add to my belt!
Plus, my husband wants to run a 'self-insert' dnd game sometime, where you as you are, are brought into the fantasy world. You can bring 5 things with you (not counting clothes on your back, though a belt counts separately cause weapons, items in a backpack count as 1 because it counts as the bag - within reason) and I might just get that to bring along for that fun!
What 5 items would you bring into an adventuring world is actually a fantastic idea for a video, not just a D&D game. That sounds like a lot of fun!
@@LivingAnachronism I'd love to see a video on it! It's got our whole group thinking on what we'd bring along, and usually keeps us brainstorming for hours :)
I can remember cups along these lines, maybe closer to the kuksa being used for ice fishing in western Canada into the 80s. You scooped up the forming ice in your fishing hole to stop it freezing up, drank out of it ect. A plastic cup might crack in the cold, metal ones and bare hands didn't always mix in that cold so wood was the way to go.
It occurs to me the hook on the back is meant to loop under your belt and hold the cup with the bowl towards the clothes to keep it clean and the toggled lanyard is looped around the belt a few times to keep it held fast.
Interesting; informative; impressive; & an excellent explanation, young man! When you mentioned the possibilities of using a Noggin as a short-handled ladle, I remembered that several years ago I removed most of the handle from a wooden serving ladle, re-shaped it, & made my own Noggin! At age 82, I am still an amateur & novice when it comes to woodcarving & whittling, although I started whittling at about age 9 or 10 years old! I am also fairly new to RUclips & have a limited understanding of modern technology; but I would enjoy watching other presentations which might be on RUclips. Thanks for sharing!
2:31 I like to think that it's because we drank from the skulls of our enemies :P
That was fun! I can see how you went down deep rabbit hole into the recesses of the internet with your research... Lots of interesting facts and lots of great comments on this video as well. I'll be checking out your other content. Thanks so much!
Fascinating and enjoyable trivia. While camping I would often improvise something similar without realizing I could actually get one.
Word origins can be really interesting at times! Especially when it has to do with things that one can add to a Ranger kit…😁😂😂
3:09 And B. Dylan Hollis says, "When has the Avoirdupois system helped anybody?"
That’s very cool. If they were the shot glass of the time that would go to your noggin.
It would be cool to have one with some small tools concealed in the handle like a Swiss army knife. Tooth\lockpick, compass, a small stylus, tweezers. Things like that. And a sturdy spork for the toggle.
A ‘Noggin’ was a common cup seen before 1860. If you carried a black powder rifle and powder horn then a noggin hung from your belt or pack. It was typically made from a burl of a hardwood tree.
A Noggin was popular with Voyageurs back when waterways were clean enough to drink out of.Also when invited to eat a meal with native Americans it was impolite to ask for something to eat out of,so your noggin served as a bowl in such situations.Stews were the common group meal.
Hail and well met! Thank you Kramer for yet another, well done video. This video actually answered a question I’ve had pinging around in my head for awhile now. Cheers & once again, thank you 🤘.
Great more adventuring gear that D&D players will forget they have.
I have to say, I do enjoy this kind of information. To learn about something that seems to be very little known.
I wonder if a lid for a tankard could do double duty as a noggin. That could be a cool anachronistic project, even if it's not historical.
Also, Could the slot on the canoe cup be intended for sliding onto a belt?
Thanks for another fun and interesting video!
Horizontal beams atop coal mines were called nogs. Don't bust your nog in (of course your skull would break first) was a grim joke in a dark world. Source: Energy Dict., 1976.
An obsession with cups...
That's a new take on a drinking problem!
As seen on “The Gray Bearded Green Beret”, the cylinder end can also be used to lift a small- mouthed vessel from the fire. To do so, tilt the cylinder so that it is pointing vertically into the vessel. Lower it past the mouth of the vessel, allowing it to turn horizontally. Lift up, catching the horizontally oriented dowel on the narrow vessel mouth. Of course, a smallish branch paired with a length of any type cord can be used in the same manner.
It's not antiquated here in the UK 😂 o boy I HAVE to carve one of these now! Bored of spoons and bowls are time expensive, this is perfect 💚🇬🇧
Yes it's funny how many ways (and says) there is about measure things.
And your videos are amazing to listen to then picking mushrooms and chestnut 😄
This is my first stumble into your channel. You sir are a fine salesman. I'm thinking of adding one to my camping and survival kit right now I'm either using my hand or contaminating my drinking cup for water
I really enjoyed this little video.
I love knowing those small historical details.
In Finland we have kuksa which is basically a small wooden cup quite similar to what you have there. The picture at 1:12 is very close, though the handle traditionally is slightly different.
The “mouthful” line made me laugh out loud.
Where I come from ( Northampton UK) the term noggin was often used to refer to the end slices of a loaf of bread as well as in the phrase ' use your noggin' meaning to think
1:41 That design reminds me of the plastic "cups" that Almette comes in (a German cream cheese). I guess they are trying to evoke that association (but barely anyone probably remembers the actual wooden version any more).
Loving the deep dive. Can't wait for the next one
Fascinating! Thank You!
Its in the song "Bold Dougherty" "you can drink the full noggin, but beware you bring none of your fancibles home"!
Another advantage of your shallow noggin is the fact that if the tea or coffee is hot, it will cook faster in a shallow noggin. My Great-grandfather (born 1881) drank his coffee from the saucer after pouring a bit from his cup. This is back when people used saucers with cups. It’s why saucers were invented. To cool hot beverage.
I do love the look of these... they seem more easily craftable compared to a regular cup or mug.
Yes. The carvings on the historical examples are inspiring. Great way to personalize an otherwise bland, generic object.
Maybe it’s just me, but if I saw someone take out a beautifully carved noggin at a campfire meal, I would take them to be more cultured and sophisticated than someone with a bare one.
Or, maybe they’re a conscript who was issued a mass produced bare minimum one? That could be a form of personalization to one’s character too.
My family has always carved spoons when we go camping. This started when I was a kid and we were ‘roughing it’ and forgot the silverware, with several cans of beef stew to eat. After that trip it turned into a fun thing for each kid to carve a spoon to use for meals. This spread to cousins that went camping with us and turned into an annual event at family reunion camping trips. My mom ended up being the grand champion, carving ladles and large serving spoons with names and dates engraved. All done with pine, aspen, or whatever local wood we could scavenge and a regular folding pocket knife.
Last year for a twist we tried to carve two pronged forks as well. Good times.
I could be totally wrong, I'm just going off memory, but when I saw the little "canoe cup", I thought it looked kinda like the thing we used in the Appalachias, to take a drink out of a bucket, or well, or water pump. Then I realized that the Appalachians are all Scotts-irish, so it made sense when you mentioned Scotland.
also reminds me of the scallop sea shells pilgrims would wear and use as cups in the Middle Ages, specifically the ones on the Camino de Santiago
What a great versatile tool! Keep the cup rabbit hole going, I'm loving it 😂
Not immediately connected, but I thought you might enjoy some Royal Navy terminology, going back to the days of the daily rum ration. It was common practice to donate part of your rum ration to someone else, usually as payment for some kind of debt. The scale was (and still is) "Sippers" - take a sip, "Gulpers" - take a gulp, and "Sandy bottoms" - drink the lot.
Thanks for sharing this is fascinating stuff.
Excellent video!
This is similar or maybe even the same thing as the Swedish (and most likely generally nordic) tool Kåsa.
Which is still very widely used. Everyone owns one, everyone uses one. Especially for hiking and picnic.
We used to have these when I was in the military here in Sweden.
A plastic-version of course.
That was in the 90s so not 199% that it is still used.
A very interesting video. And to think, when I was camping in the Rockies as a kid, I carried a modern version on my belt which I was told was called a Sierra Cup.
Man, what an incredible channel, this is exactly the kind of thing I look for, usually without success, I had even stopped looking for a bit and YT recommended it to you, I saw the video about the bag that looks like a saddlebag, I haven't finished watching it yet and it It's separate, I'm going to sign up now, the content is great
I had no clue this would be that interesting. Awesome video dude.
I am pretty sure I've seen such in old homes here when I was a kid, like pretty widespread in this part of Sweden.
Another excellent video.
If you have two of these things, you can use it as a rhythmical musical instrument while telling stories or singing songs at the campfire.
"Use a noggin's-worth of yer BRAIN, laddie!" is where noggin got added as a colloquialism.
"I used to be an adventurer like you. Then I took an arrow to the noggin"
Cool. I did not know any of this. Yay for learning!
I had an antique noggin. It had a face carved into it. Like a Toby jug.
Very cool, thank you!
Thanks for the video.
Thanks for another informative video, Kramer. Have a good weekend :-)
Dayum man
That new intro is absolutely fire
I bought a kuksa and used it while on a walk. My two dogs - who would not drink from any container while out - clearly wanted to drink from it. It is the only thing that they will consistently drink from when out and about! and I have found other 'fussy' dogs are the same! Must be something about the wood feeling cool on a hot day?
My guess is noggin can be related to the skullcap which is also shaped quite similarly being a more wide than deep kind of cupped chape.
Cause whenever I hear noggin its the brain or top of the head not the whole head.
Correct, it refers to the skull and not the face or jaw.
Impressive. Very nice.
“Bust your noggin” has a whole new meaning now.