Can you Cut and Sand at the Same Time? Interesting Results...

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  • Of course while this does work, it's not especially practical. There is the upside of always having a disk sander (with an especially aggressive edge) ready to use, if you are brave enough.
    In all seriousness, I can't recommend doing this. The table saw is for cutting efficiently to accurate dimensions and then you normally take it from there and joint, plane or machine sand it to the final smoothness. You get better control and better results overall when break up the operations in that way.
    I quickly remembered why I don't use this blade - it makes that high pitched sound that's just about intolerable. Not sure what causes it (it's not the sandpaper), but I've only had one other blade that did it
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  • @JohnHeisz
    @JohnHeisz  4 года назад +1787

    Of course while this does work, it's not especially practical. There is the upside of always having a disk sander (with an especially aggressive edge) ready to use, if you are brave enough.
    In all seriousness, I can't recommend doing this. The table saw is for cutting efficiently to accurate dimensions and then you normally take it from there and joint, plane or machine sand it to the final smoothness. You get better control and better results overall when break up the operations in that way.
    I quickly remembered why I don't use this blade - it makes that high pitched sound that's just about intolerable. Not sure what causes it (it's not the sandpaper), but I've only had one other blade that did it

    • @dthorpe4855
      @dthorpe4855 4 года назад +49

      They have been selling these sanding disks for the saw blade for a long time it's called Final Cut. Product # 602-FCD65802. $12.00 for 2.

    • @PapiSmerf
      @PapiSmerf 4 года назад +64

      Defective vibration dampening in the blade. The goop that they put in those circular slots is supposed to absorb vibrations and prevent resonance, but if it isn't bonded correctly or damaged that doesn't happen.
      Edit: Oh, and some of those high tooth count blades just whine because of the tooth spacing I think.

    • @Peggyt-jp6mt
      @Peggyt-jp6mt 4 года назад +12

      I hope this video goes viral for you like cutting wood with paper.

    • @richardflorence3927
      @richardflorence3927 4 года назад +23

      But did it change the dimension when you put the sandpaper on there or did it keep the right dimension?

    • @musamor75
      @musamor75 4 года назад +18

      Very ingenious idea. I think it could be extremely useful when using the sanded edge on the outside.
      The whining sound comes from a blade that's not flat ; it has wind. Very symptomatic. Nothing to be done about that. As one commentator pointed out, some (high quality) blades have stress cuts, and sometimes even brass inserts. In fact, some very high-end models are very smooth and silent. Here in Europe they're very expensive - something bordering on 200$ or more. They make fantastic cuts. The truer the blade, the better the cut. Thanks for sharing. Greetings from France.

  • @D00MTR33
    @D00MTR33 4 года назад +1890

    Next time: Can you sand and cut at the same time?
    "You see, I took my beltsander and added a saw blade to it. Lets see how this goes."

  • @AJ-ln4sm
    @AJ-ln4sm 4 года назад +1481

    I like that sweet tool for removing the arbor nut on your table saw.

    • @11kungfu11
      @11kungfu11 4 года назад +92

      I think it needs a little crank handle. Like an egg beater.

    • @infidelgaming1670
      @infidelgaming1670 4 года назад +57

      Guessing he made that himself. Ingenuity is a dying skill that pretty much only our grandparents generations have

    • @stevek8617
      @stevek8617 4 года назад +71

      @@infidelgaming1670 it's still there just in hiding. When there is a need it will find it's way again.

    • @huntermacdonald6431
      @huntermacdonald6431 4 года назад +7

      I could use that on my car

    • @infidelgaming1670
      @infidelgaming1670 4 года назад +10

      @@stevek8617 I hope. Everything is based around computers now and I have no issues with them by no means but there's times that we need to go back to a simpler life even if it was harder.

  • @GiacoWhatever
    @GiacoWhatever 4 года назад +1666

    Ok you've done blade, paper blade, sand paper blade... Looking forward to just sand blade! :)

    • @LOBOTomikYT
      @LOBOTomikYT 4 года назад +35

      I think next will be "Toilet paper blade" xD

    • @kellcomnet
      @kellcomnet 4 года назад +3

      Modern Wood CZ I had a pun’y response but it isn’t RUclips appropriate...sigh.

    • @Cadwaladr
      @Cadwaladr 4 года назад +19

      Sand blade is better known as a cutting wheel.

    • @dustysparks
      @dustysparks 4 года назад +6

      Isn't that just a sand-stone grinding-wheel? :P Like a... I dunno, table-angle-grinder? or... a table-stone?

    • @Trve_Kvlt
      @Trve_Kvlt 4 года назад +12

      Glass blade

  • @ggsj
    @ggsj 4 года назад +289

    I didn't finish watching this yet, but I HAVE to say this: that's quite the device you made for changing the blade's nut. I really like it!

    • @kylestanley7843
      @kylestanley7843 4 года назад +13

      I saw that too, absolutely genius.

    • @bobbybologna3029
      @bobbybologna3029 4 года назад

      I'm over here like "Just use a crescent wrench... wtf"

    • @usingahandlemessedupmyusername
      @usingahandlemessedupmyusername 4 года назад +2

      nut

    • @AlenHR
      @AlenHR 4 года назад +3

      yea, really cool. would be cooler if it was 1:4 ratio or something..

    • @aceichner
      @aceichner 4 года назад +3

      I had to rewind to check that out. Then at the end the 'build' was one of the linked videos.

  • @scotts.2624
    @scotts.2624 4 года назад +4129

    Note: Always use your wife's good sewing scissors to cut sand paper.

    • @pikakenut
      @pikakenut 4 года назад +72

      Says the guy who actually " probably" did that. Hmmmm did I do that to my mom's sewing scissors 😂

    • @danl.4743
      @danl.4743 4 года назад +218

      "Honey, I sharpened your scissors".

    • @thecommenter578
      @thecommenter578 4 года назад +267

      Warning, doing so could result in fatal injury or death. Or even worse sleeping on the sofa

    • @joekenorer
      @joekenorer 4 года назад +189

      @@thecommenter578 The wise man owns the most comfortable sofas.

    • @johnladuke6475
      @johnladuke6475 4 года назад +28

      Okay everybody, when she asks we say this guy told us.

  • @Si-kc3ou
    @Si-kc3ou 4 года назад +176

    My construction teacher in school had sandpaper on his blades it was like perfect for cutting

  • @w_d_s_4238
    @w_d_s_4238 4 года назад +144

    I like how this is a short vid while keeping its interest

    • @subspaceanomaly
      @subspaceanomaly 4 года назад +1

      I skipped to the bit where he did it to see if it worked, I don't need to spend five minutes watching someone take a saw blade and glue sandpiper to it. I don't have any excuse for reading the comments.. Some of them are funny though

  • @iscream3851
    @iscream3851 4 года назад +46

    I’m not into any carpentry, just saw this in my recommendations and I’m glad to watch this vid. Quite interesting

  • @OwlMoovement
    @OwlMoovement 4 года назад +678

    So this is basically playing rock, paper, and scissors all at the same time, right?

    • @uncreativeprocess
      @uncreativeprocess 4 года назад +22

      Wow you’re so fucking astute, quarts silica sand (rock) paper backing (obvious) saw blade (scissors)

    • @ZzHasbrozZ
      @ZzHasbrozZ 4 года назад +11

      Wood is the paper.

    • @irfandy8
      @irfandy8 4 года назад +6

      @@ZzHasbrozZ sandpaper IS the paper

    • @ZzHasbrozZ
      @ZzHasbrozZ 4 года назад +7

      Nah, the paper is intrinsically bound to the ‘rock’ so it can’t be a participant in the game. If it did, paper beats rock. The distinct elements at work in the video and joke are the blade, the sandpaper surface, and the wood. Each element reference the elements of the game rock, paper scissors. Scissor/blade beat paper/wood but rock/sandpaper beat scissors, doing a better job and paper/wood beat rock as it will eventually wear out and have to be replaced.

    • @frankcruz8725
      @frankcruz8725 4 года назад

      Rock and scissors only get along if paper is between them

  • @zachthompson1376
    @zachthompson1376 4 года назад +1687

    I highly recommend patenting that before someone else makes your millions

    • @-invalid-2882
      @-invalid-2882 4 года назад +40

      Would be smart

    • @rafox66
      @rafox66 4 года назад +134

      Too late, IT'S MINE!!!

    • @TheSkunkyMonk
      @TheSkunkyMonk 4 года назад +93

      Sad that is what humanity has come to mind, I get it but should anyone really own an idea? Trademarks I get 100% but patents and copyright just hold humanity and art back.

    • @rafox66
      @rafox66 4 года назад +132

      @@TheSkunkyMonk I understand what you mean.
      But if you invented something and someone else just comes along and steals your idea and sells it you wouldn't be happy about that.
      That's like an artist stealing someone elses song and taking all the credit for it.

    • @eirenwhelan3312
      @eirenwhelan3312 4 года назад +44

      Skunky Monk it’s alright for something as simple as a sanding saw blade but when it comes to things that require years of investment and development, it’s necessary to have patents.

  • @leahsdreams
    @leahsdreams 4 года назад +1110

    In before we start seeing companies advertise this as some kind of revolution lol

    • @liveleaky7571
      @liveleaky7571 4 года назад +1

      I luv u

    • @jishimoari
      @jishimoari 4 года назад +25

      150eur for 3 blades if you order in next 30 minites an you'll get free green wallet.

    • @maitele
      @maitele 4 года назад +11

      God I hope not. This sounds like an invitation for kickback and will get someone killed.

    • @christophercervantes5346
      @christophercervantes5346 4 года назад +7

      In before this comment gets taken down by said company for "copyright"

    • @birdsrule8608
      @birdsrule8608 4 года назад +6

      Are you a man?

  • @EcoMouseChannel
    @EcoMouseChannel 4 года назад +287

    This might make for a better "From the Factory" feature. As in, embedded diamond grit right on the blade surface. Let them manage the balancing and harmonics issues.

    • @avroarchitect1793
      @avroarchitect1793 4 года назад +21

      Sounds really expensive

    • @alext9067
      @alext9067 4 года назад +10

      @@avroarchitect1793 Exactly, and factory-made is not usually as good as made-for-the-job. That whistling blade was factory-made. Better to have all the grits you like for the work you're doing and adjust everything to suit.

    • @N0ES
      @N0ES 4 года назад +8

      The cost of the blade will skyrocket, not worth it as you can just sand it after cutting.

    • @-a13x-75
      @-a13x-75 4 года назад +1

      any from the factory abrasive finish would work well

    • @tjsolsberry1081
      @tjsolsberry1081 4 года назад +6

      I was just thinking the same idea. A diamond grit sprayed directly onto one side of the blade, along with making an entire set including different grits (100, 200, 400), would make for blades that would last a lifetime with proper maintenance. Expensive on the front end, but the time saved on each project pays itself off in the long-run.

  • @gilangthehuman7713
    @gilangthehuman7713 4 года назад +180

    I read the title as " Can you cut sand..."
    I was like wha-

    • @MrHeroicDemon
      @MrHeroicDemon 4 года назад +1

      Burj Khalifa can stand on sand

    • @averageheightwizard4798
      @averageheightwizard4798 4 года назад

      Yeah I read the same and I was like why??

    • @leboi4174
      @leboi4174 4 года назад +1

      'Can you cut with sand' my eyes are fucked I guess

    • @silistar2646
      @silistar2646 4 года назад

      @@MrHeroicDemon actually it isnt standing on sand they had to dig very deep

    • @davidkonevky7372
      @davidkonevky7372 4 года назад

      @@leboi4174 me too lmao

  • @twilight_foxbody7354
    @twilight_foxbody7354 4 года назад +324

    He just kept flexing with his special tool to remove the saw blade nut

    •  4 года назад +19

      I would too if I made that tool. That thing is sick.

    • @talleytolliver3185
      @talleytolliver3185 4 года назад

      FACTS

    • @samibrahim929
      @samibrahim929 4 года назад +5

      I mean that thing is AWESOME i dont blame him

    • @johnluke659
      @johnluke659 4 года назад +1

      🤢 pretentious

    • @ByronReyesFCBarca
      @ByronReyesFCBarca 3 года назад

      Lol nifty tool

  • @wihardy
    @wihardy 4 года назад +151

    This is how balsa wood is cut in the finishing process or at least it use to be. In one of my old model airplane magazine the whole process was laid out. Pretty cool stuff John, keep it up.

  • @jimlee4649
    @jimlee4649 4 года назад +224

    The subtle look you give the camera when you realize it's probably going to actually work was great!

  • @markrowland5393
    @markrowland5393 4 года назад +209

    Nice to see you smiling again, John.

  • @stevenbritow
    @stevenbritow 4 года назад

    I want to thank you for making wood working videos. It is because of you and Steve Ramsey that I got in to wood working about five years ago. You made it simple and fun. You should know that your video content has changed my life and gave me a healthy hobby to enjoy with my sons. I have made lots of wood projects from full farm house tables to nick knacks.
    Thanks again.

  • @falessan
    @falessan 4 года назад +2

    One thing that I haven't seen talked about is the higher possibility of kickback. That would be my main concern with doing this, even before the work of replacing the paper.

  • @gswartzl
    @gswartzl 4 года назад +112

    Hi John,
    That comment might have been from me, right after you had finished the tedious sanding on your wooden wall sculpture. I was surprised to see that you remembered it, and that you actually tried it. At the time of my comment, I think I mentioned that there used to be a company that made this product. They advertised the stick-on saw blade sandpaper in a small ad in the back of woodworking magazines, and appear to no longer be in business. I can only imagine that they got sued out of business after some kickback incident.
    I too am surprised that this works, and thanks for trying it out. (I didn't have the nerve to do so myself).
    Keep up the great videos!
    Gary

    • @vincentrobinette1507
      @vincentrobinette1507 4 года назад +3

      It would be difficult to make the sanding discs the right thickness, given that every blade has a different kerf. He had to carefully select a blade with the right kerf, to match the thickness of the sandpaper. It would not be lending to mass marketing.

    • @Wilson84KS
      @Wilson84KS 4 года назад +4

      A very fine file structure worked into the blade would solve both problems, I think, thickness is always the same and as finer the structure, as less the chance of kickbacks. Or special sandpaper but sand on a very thin layer of double sides tape instead of paper.

    • @vincentrobinette1507
      @vincentrobinette1507 4 года назад +1

      @@Wilson84KS You can only go so thin, before the blade loses enough ridgidity to remain true during the cut. That can lead to poor cut quality, or worse, a catastrophic failure of the blade disc.(very dangerous!)

    • @macrumpton
      @macrumpton 4 года назад +1

      @@vincentrobinette1507 At least we assume that it is a careful process. Without trying some unmatched components its hard to say.

  • @helenlawson8426
    @helenlawson8426 4 года назад +32

    As someone who has used Perma-Grit tools their technique would be suitable as it will not effect the blade and is cleanable and long lasting. Why RUclips led me here I have no idea but glad it did. Great work x

  • @imlon2
    @imlon2 4 года назад +5

    I could see this being really useful with a chop saw. Once you cut the piece of wood you can push it against the blade/sandpaper for a quick second

  • @IWRKOUT1
    @IWRKOUT1 4 года назад

    Thank you for not making this into a 20 minute clip and dragging out the results in the most obnoxious way possible. Sweet and to the point - cheers.

  • @zZKableZz
    @zZKableZz 4 года назад +58

    I could for see the sand paper adding alot of friction, and causing a kickback or something.

    • @mrjakobt
      @mrjakobt 4 года назад +8

      It‘s a horrible idea. With a sharp sawblade the surface would have been just as smooth.

    • @duroxkilo
      @duroxkilo 4 года назад +7

      the sand paper can tear and catch/grab the cutting piece.. quite scary..

    • @Riffmaker2704
      @Riffmaker2704 4 года назад +1

      Exactly what I thought. I did an apprenticeship as a joiner and holy shit, never do this. Sometimes small pieces got grabbed by the belt-sander and it smashed them through the whole room. Don't even wanna think about, what happens with a board or ledge at 4k rpm on a tablesaw

  • @DuncanEdwards.
    @DuncanEdwards. 4 года назад +22

    I did chuckle a little when you bent to the side when you started your table saw.
    It did seem as you were being very cautious cutting and that says a lot for you with your expansive experience

    • @mofosoto
      @mofosoto 4 года назад

      but he still gets the safety police all over his comment section talking like this is his first time using a power tool haha smh

  • @jcmobilediagnostics8611
    @jcmobilediagnostics8611 4 года назад +27

    I seen the thumbnail and thought “interesting!” Then I saw your blade wrench gizmo thing and thought how awesome it’d be to be able to purchase one.

    • @xw6968
      @xw6968 4 года назад

      JC Mobile Diagnostics how fun that you can;)

    • @nyvn
      @nyvn 4 года назад

      It was my favorite part of the video.

    • @bobbybologna3029
      @bobbybologna3029 4 года назад

      I'm over here just wondering "Why don't you just use a crescent wrench like a normal person..."

  • @essencereaver7459
    @essencereaver7459 4 года назад +7

    His editing skills, skips and such, are much better than the 90% of youtubers out there

  • @naughtypine
    @naughtypine 4 года назад

    About 15 years ago at "the woodworking show) I purchased a product called "Final-Cut" it was a sandpaper attached to saw blades and came with an installer tool to center it onto the blade. I still have mine in a sealed package. I like your videos , keep it up.

  • @normanjacques4092
    @normanjacques4092 3 года назад

    As a trim carpenter we would use this while cutting casings. When you have to fit a 45 tight together so your taking off a 1/2 a degree off the heal or toe just by running it along the chop saw blade while its in the downward possession... thanks for the short video. Your helping us all improve our abilities.

  • @crucialspectre7401
    @crucialspectre7401 4 года назад +24

    RUclips: this is the video we recommend:
    Me: "hmm I wonder if you can do that"

  • @bob_frazier
    @bob_frazier 4 года назад +262

    Next video: How to Sharpen Scissors After Cutting Abrasives.

    • @nemo227
      @nemo227 4 года назад +16

      When I was a kid some people "sharpened" their scissors by cutting a sheet of fine grit sandpaper.

    • @Vassilika1
      @Vassilika1 4 года назад +9

      @@nemo227 that's how I do it since over 40 years ;-)

    • @jaxturner7288
      @jaxturner7288 4 года назад +1

      vass ilika what grit?

    • @justinthomas6337
      @justinthomas6337 4 года назад +1

      one of the best jigs I ever made for my shop was a sandpaper tearing jig - hacksaw blade screwed to a piece of plywood!

    • @Vassilika1
      @Vassilika1 4 года назад +1

      @@jaxturner7288 100-120ish

  • @gavin5410
    @gavin5410 4 года назад +127

    The next step is to glue on concentric rings of increasing grit sandpaper...

    • @just_a_guy_doing
      @just_a_guy_doing 4 года назад +26

      I don't believe that would work. If 60 grit was on the outside ring, then you had 220 on the inside ring, the 60 grit would always be the start and finish grit when pushing the piece through the saw. Your idea works great till you hit the centerline of the saw blade, your process would be cut, 60 grit, then step upto 220 grit, from centerline out, the grits reverse, 220 stepping down to 60 grit then finishishing with the blade cut. Your idea would work in a linear manner only. Like a bandsaw

    • @liammurray9274
      @liammurray9274 4 года назад +21

      @@just_a_guy_doing just have 60 on the inside and 220 on the outside then, on the way to center there is wasteful sanding happening but as the wood goes past center it would be sanded with increasing grits and the last paper touching the wood would be a 220. I'm not saying this is a good idea but your argument left out the (obvious IMO) alternative option.

    • @liammurray9274
      @liammurray9274 4 года назад +4

      Also generally when talking about concentric rings we work from the center outwards so the original comment kind of implies lowest at the center and increasing grits outwards.

    • @aquacruisedb
      @aquacruisedb 4 года назад +2

      @@just_a_guy_doing Well pointed out. But what if each smoother grade of paper was very slightly thicker?? So you had 60 grit on the outside ring, then say 120 in the middle section, and finally 220 on the inside ring. BUT since each bit of paper is slightly more protruded as it gets to the center, on the way out the piece won't touch the rougher grits...

    • @aquacruisedb
      @aquacruisedb 4 года назад +2

      @@liammurray9274 What about keeping the original order (rough on the outside, smooth in the middle), but having the papers protrude out slightly more the smoother grit they become. That way, once past the center the piece won't touch the rougher papers again, could that work?

  • @thatmcgamer3106
    @thatmcgamer3106 4 года назад

    First time here and not a wood working experienced person, but that gear tightening thingy for the table saw is genius. Somehow I never thought about doing that.

  • @Ham68229
    @Ham68229 3 года назад

    I have 1 blade that has PSA 320/400 on both sides. I don't use my TS as a sanding station, I use this method to help have a cleaner, smoother cut. It does work. Been doing this for 10+ yrs now. Cheers :)

  • @benchtopwoodworks
    @benchtopwoodworks 4 года назад +11

    This goes on the list (if there is one) of "classic" John ideas. Very cool, and I'm glad you tried it. I'll bet it would increase kickback velocity to some gnarly speeds.
    I remember always planning (when using a "nice" shop under formal instruction) to add 1/16" to my rip widths and join them after to remove saw marks. I never do this anymore, mostly because I don't have a nice jointer.Quality/sharp blades give some great surface finish also...which im sure most know that.

  • @SharpWorks
    @SharpWorks 4 года назад +10

    I’m loving the efficiency!

  • @ericboyer5530
    @ericboyer5530 4 года назад +5

    This is Acctually a practice used in the industrial setting on our huge saws that trim product coming down an automated assembly line there is a splitter blade that splits the product down the middle and the sandpaper puts a nice edge on the cut

    • @VaracolacidVesci
      @VaracolacidVesci 3 года назад

      Hahaha no there are good enough saw blades that leave smoother surfaces than sand paper

  • @jeffbeck6501
    @jeffbeck6501 4 года назад

    I saw the thumbnail and had to come by and thumbs up just for the idea and creativity. Excellent. ...whether it works or not, I do not care. 5 stars for the idea and for making the video.

  • @GaryMcKinnonUFO
    @GaryMcKinnonUFO 4 года назад

    Very cool indeed, love these simple but clever ideas, like the guy that put a propeller on his CNC bit so it auto-blew the chips away. Thanks for sharing!

  • @yungpoopy5875
    @yungpoopy5875 4 года назад +43

    I’ve always wondered this literally since I was a little kid.

    • @kiwi9065
      @kiwi9065 4 года назад +3

      I wondered since i saw the title

    • @hay0099
      @hay0099 4 года назад

      @@kiwi9065 same lol

    • @senseisecurityschool9337
      @senseisecurityschool9337 4 года назад

      You could have been years ahead of us and made this idea well known by now.
      Whatever else you've been wondering about for years, take 20 minutes to try it. :)

  • @djfirestormx
    @djfirestormx 4 года назад +50

    Me: Runs to take off my sawblade and looks for glue

    • @danielmcfarland-lawson6477
      @danielmcfarland-lawson6477 4 года назад +4

      also you: is impaled by a 2x4 that got shot back at you because of the high friction caused by the sandpaper

  • @nvrluki7608
    @nvrluki7608 4 года назад +48

    Having a high friction surface on a table saw seems like it will increase the risk of kickback as sandpaper rubs against the wood.

    • @bikerpunk64
      @bikerpunk64 4 года назад +3

      I was more worried about the board lifting. The paper pile up probably wouldn't cause a kickback if you have proper hand/push stick placement and pressure.

    • @dahrchan
      @dahrchan 4 года назад +2

      My thoughts exactly, also no riving knife on his saw, let alone PPE. Interesting content isn't worthwhile if you're gonna demonstrate unsafe practices.

    • @bobbybologna3029
      @bobbybologna3029 4 года назад +1

      you should always expect kickback anyway

    • @Sunny-hc1bf
      @Sunny-hc1bf 4 года назад +2

      I was looking for this comment, this is quite a dangerous modification, it would increase the risk of kickback quite significantly.

    • @thirtyeight4558
      @thirtyeight4558 4 года назад +1

      @@dahrchan I completely agree! This was an idiotic and Reckless demo to show the masses.

  • @jawadisaal
    @jawadisaal 3 года назад

    I love watching the video and your way of working, supported by a good workplace and complete and very complete pliers, thank you for sharing, greetings from Indonesia.

  • @jason_a7420
    @jason_a7420 4 года назад

    Nice balance of commentary and actual video, professional and interesting. I never got bored of the way you came across, which is sometimes difficult to come across on these DIY channels! You earned a sub from me my friend, keep up the great work!

  • @nrk9857
    @nrk9857 4 года назад +7

    when you _really_ want that good kickback to wake you up

    • @robinstewart6510
      @robinstewart6510 3 года назад +1

      Nonsense. It's the teeth that cause kickback, not the side of the blade (whatever it's condition). The grit on sandpaper is very minuscule compared to the size of those teeth.

    • @paytonwright1821
      @paytonwright1821 3 года назад +1

      The sandpaper is grippy, which helps chuck wood at you

  • @hewiy33
    @hewiy33 4 года назад +60

    I thought that as soon as the wood touches the paper it would have separated woah....

    • @darkshadowsx5949
      @darkshadowsx5949 4 года назад +7

      i've seen people use paper as a cutting blade. i didnt expect for a second for the sand paper to just separate or shred off.

    • @GroteGlon
      @GroteGlon 4 года назад +5

      @@darkshadowsx5949 yeah. I've seen people cut plastic with standard a4 paper

    • @hockalover483
      @hockalover483 4 года назад +1

      @@GroteGlon bruh I saw a man cutting a tank in half with a butter knife.

  • @notaregistereduser3446
    @notaregistereduser3446 4 года назад +28

    Someone already makes this. Its called the final cut i think and rockler sells them

    • @stanleyshostak2737
      @stanleyshostak2737 4 года назад +1

      I hear it ends up burning the wood after the paper starts to wear down.

    • @jacobgomer
      @jacobgomer 4 года назад +5

      All sanders do that lol

  • @larricus0292
    @larricus0292 4 года назад

    You sir are one of the most delightful people to watch work. Thanks for the fascinating video.

  • @gristlevonraben
    @gristlevonraben 4 года назад

    The regular swirls probably give glue something to cling to, but for edge sides, what a time saver! They could epoxy a thin diamond grit to the side of the blade and in a factory setting, save lots of time and money. Great video!

  • @brett328
    @brett328 4 года назад +7

    Pretty cool, my next question was if it affected the width of cut.

  • @bonniebarber6114
    @bonniebarber6114 4 года назад +7

    You are nuts John! Love it 😎

  • @snowblood82
    @snowblood82 4 года назад +4

    Would've been interested to see how this held up after a couple of projects.

  • @Bluuplanet
    @Bluuplanet 3 года назад

    I have a 10" aluminum disk that I bought from Sears many years ago. It isn't perfectly flat. It is slightly coned on one side that you put sandpaper on. You mount sandpaper on the coned side and install it on a table saw with the coned side toward the fence and tilt the blade at 2 degrees toward the fence.
    Then push a board through between the fence and the disk and it gets sanded at the tangent to the cone, which is a vertical patch on the disk. It worked really well but I haven't seen them since.

  • @timbarrow4689
    @timbarrow4689 4 года назад

    The Cut-N-Sand company out of Kima, Tx marketed this product back around 2002. I still have a few disc left in my shop. Worked great on harder woods.

  • @BRUXXUS
    @BRUXXUS 4 года назад +23

    No way!
    Super impressive, but scary as hell. Got my head spinning with ideas of how an actual product that works this way could actually happen.
    I wonder if there'd be a way to like, fuse carbide grains onto the side of the blade.... Still, incredibly scary if there was a kickback... or... possibly not? Maybe instead of binding up it would just grind down any places that got stuck. Who knows? Very cool experiment!

    • @TheE9climber
      @TheE9climber 4 года назад +1

      BRUXXUS there exist diamond saw blades, I guess that‘s quite close to the idea. You achieve a very fine cut and the blade is quite silent as well.

    • @BRUXXUS
      @BRUXXUS 4 года назад +1

      @@TheE9climber Hmm, that's true.
      I suppose the real reason this isn't really a thing is that the grit would quickly get all clogged up with wood.

    • @Jehty_
      @Jehty_ 4 года назад +2

      Such a product already exists for at least 12 years.
      Called "Final Cut"

    • @BRUXXUS
      @BRUXXUS 4 года назад

      @@Jehty_ Oh cool. Although, it looks like what's in this video. A saw blade with sandpaper glued on.

    • @Yonatan24
      @Yonatan24 4 года назад +1

      You also don't want to grit to get loose and dull the teeth

  • @_P0tat07_
    @_P0tat07_ 4 года назад +30

    That’s crazy. 😂 I’m actually surprised there wasn’t any burning of the wood from the sandpaper.

    • @calinguga
      @calinguga 4 года назад +3

      what sandpaper are you using that burns wood

    • @Luke-yx5ve
      @Luke-yx5ve 4 года назад +21

      @@calinguga burning wood with sandpaper is a very common problem, if u go too aggressive with your work on the disc sander it'll leave burn marks, and also table saws often leave burn marks anyway

    • @eliadbu
      @eliadbu 4 года назад +1

      @Archie Bunker to have burning mark you need to apply enough pressure so the friction would increase. Because the saw teeth are about the diemeter of the saw body with the sandpaper on, the pressure must be minimal.

    • @calinguga
      @calinguga Год назад

      @Luke in my experience low grit fresh sandpaper has virtually no chance of burning, it only burns when it's not removing material and only rubbing, like high grit clogged sandpaper, which is not the norm to be expected, hence my snappy remark

  • @clydedecker765
    @clydedecker765 4 года назад +6

    "Sometimes I surprise myself..."🤣🤣 Do that every morning as I walk by the mirror...🤣

    • @carloduroni5629
      @carloduroni5629 4 года назад +1

      That's why I rarely look into the mirror. And when I do, the first thought is "Who's this 60-old fat guy? I remember I was a handsome 30yo just yesterday evening."

  • @sumaznkid
    @sumaznkid 4 года назад

    Just want to say... great camera work. Angles and transitions are awesome. Secondly... that wood tool with gears to remove and thread on the saw tightening nut is genius!

  • @tank8285
    @tank8285 4 года назад

    1:00 that tool to remove the blade nut is genius! This is the 1st video of yours I've seen. I'm impressed.

  • @adamhelberg9228
    @adamhelberg9228 4 года назад +7

    Him:
    Sometimes my genius, it's almost frightening.

  • @TheShinham
    @TheShinham 4 года назад +129

    This sounds like a recipe for kickback lol

    • @eduardojahnke8970
      @eduardojahnke8970 4 года назад +10

      That worries me A LOT!

    • @physicsguybrian
      @physicsguybrian 4 года назад +11

      @@eduardojahnke8970 Provided the blade is raised high enough relative to the material thickness, the sandpaper engaging with the material will impart downward force onto the material making it harder for kickback to throw it backward. Of course, if the sandpaper breaks free, then it could grab the material at any point, cause binding, and then HELLLOOO kickback or other TBD of the kind that may involve stitches or an eye patch.

    • @rowey1992
      @rowey1992 4 года назад +20

      particularly since John does not have a riving knife on his saw.

    • @pinballrobbie
      @pinballrobbie 4 года назад +3

      @@rowey1992 and uses a crosscut saw to rip with!

    • @lakesideaudio
      @lakesideaudio 4 года назад +11

      I couldn’t believe what I was seeing after recently watching videos on kickback. He must be mad

  • @ShardtheWolf
    @ShardtheWolf 4 года назад +9

    Alright, so exactly prior to watching the video, my hypothesis is that this is incredibly dangerous. It seems to me like the friction of the sandpaper could grab the board and fling it, similar to when a board binds on the blade.

    • @jadedelite
      @jadedelite 3 года назад

      This. If not fling it, more likely to lift it.... then the teeth will grab it and fling it (yanking your hand into the saw in the process).

  • @justindtackett
    @justindtackett 4 года назад

    Wow I love all the little stuff you have in your shop to make woodworking more efficient and safer. The HAULT fixture over the stop button would be a must have! Often times you need to stop quickly to avoid a potentially dangerous outcome.

  • @freqenc
    @freqenc 4 года назад

    Through the generations you'd think that we would have invented every hack in woodworking. People still amaze me. Nice lil hack. Thank you for sharing.

  • @beardboss20
    @beardboss20 4 года назад +17

    Before watching: This is a bad idea
    After watching: This is a bad idea i want to try!

    • @altonmoreaux330
      @altonmoreaux330 4 года назад +1

      LOL. Ben, that sounds like - My Buddy "You're not gonna..." Me, "hold my beer and watch this." when we're out muddin' in our trucks.

  • @WinnyD1
    @WinnyD1 4 года назад +11

    now i'll have to explain to my boss why i lost 1h this morning on the tablesaw.

  • @nickpelov
    @nickpelov 4 года назад +53

    - "I have this idea of sticking sandpaper to the saw blade so it can sand while cutting but I'm affraid that it'll grab the wood and punch a hole in my throat with it. Can you try it instead so I can use it when I see nothing wrong happens"?
    - "Tested, works perfectly"
    - "Thanks, I was a bit worried..."

    • @mat-bh
      @mat-bh 4 года назад +1

      Maybe u can use a strong glue. But quickly change the sand paper at a minimum sign of damage on it

    • @jeffcarroll6553
      @jeffcarroll6553 3 года назад

      Everything works at least once, or doesn't
      He is irresponsible even posting this
      What's he going to do next, glue it to his bandsaw?

  • @johnwarren5939
    @johnwarren5939 4 года назад

    Hi John..Although you wrote a pinned disclaimer, I sincerely hope you re-wright it with a stronger Safety message. My reason for saying this is that a lot of people get on U tube to learn how to get more applications with the equipment that they presently own, as like a tile cutter that I modified to a disk sander many decades ago when I couldn't afford one on apprentice pay.
    Please dont get me wrong im not flaming you in any way, I'm just a 79 yo retired machinist and still have all my fingers LOL
    I cracked up reading your ",if your brave enought"...no me....I wouldn't do it with a twenty foot push stick LOL
    You have some great videos...keep en coming... Safety First...have a great day

  • @gailpengelly8581
    @gailpengelly8581 4 года назад

    Absolute bloody GENIUS...UTTER BRILLIANCE. cheers dude from across the pond. Plymouth Devon 🇬🇧 Gail.x

  • @CitizenAyellowblue
    @CitizenAyellowblue 4 года назад +23

    Next, the waxing and buffing attachments. 😂

    • @kamrankambang7953
      @kamrankambang7953 4 года назад +4

      Dude i want the assembly attachment. I hate that i need to do all those thing after cutting the wood. I wish it would just come out already a cabinet

    • @TikeMyson69
      @TikeMyson69 4 года назад +3

      It needs a sales dept attachment too.

  • @atrax27OT
    @atrax27OT 4 года назад +31

    Is noone going to talk about the newly added risk of kickback and injury associated?

    • @tamish3551
      @tamish3551 4 года назад

      I just commented that XD

    • @OrigamiMaster06
      @OrigamiMaster06 4 года назад +3

      Yeah, I know! He has significantly increased the risk of kickback. It's a terrible idea!

    • @DasosBeats
      @DasosBeats 4 года назад

      You're totally right! It's really dangerous

  • @ahikernamedgq
    @ahikernamedgq 4 года назад +22

    You know, when I use a fine finish blade on my table saw, the finish it leaves is better than almost any finish I've gotten sanding; even on end grain.

    • @markbeiser
      @markbeiser 4 года назад +4

      Yeah, my 48 tooth Ridge Carbide blade damn near leaves a polished edge.
      A quality blade on a properly aligned saw saves a lot of work.

    • @Yonatan24
      @Yonatan24 4 года назад +2

      Same with my Japanese saw!

    • @moconnell663
      @moconnell663 4 года назад +2

      I have the same result with a finishing blade in my miter saw, smooth and even cuts, no sanding needed.

    • @maclayyc
      @maclayyc 4 года назад

      Most turners will agree that a clean and precise cut is far smoother than even the finest grit

  • @AstonJay
    @AstonJay 4 года назад

    This will be really practical for basic stuff like cutting posts or support structures that only require a specific size, that can then be treated / painted directly after cutting.

  • @jacoconradie8139
    @jacoconradie8139 4 года назад

    I just love your mischievous laugh whilst doing this! This was the first vid i watched of you but I subscribed!

  • @josephhalford917
    @josephhalford917 4 года назад +21

    Now I’d be interested in what the consequences of the sandpaper tearing halfway through the cut would be.

    • @piratebot13
      @piratebot13 4 года назад +2

      it would probably chuck out the wood

    • @jimwiskus8862
      @jimwiskus8862 4 года назад +1

      That too would be my fear. Depending on how long the project lasted. I would think you’d want a new piece of paper each time you start a new project. What kind of solvent will remove the paper & glue. I guess John will need to run the dickens out of this one test blade. I would imagine the life of the sand paper & integrity of the glue will be different depending on the species of wood being cut. I wonder too which brand of blade he used, offset & number of teeth?

    • @TheAmpair
      @TheAmpair 4 года назад +2

      Turns a table saw into a woodchuck . . .

    • @josephhalford917
      @josephhalford917 4 года назад

      Matthew Routledge : I don’t really know if it would or not. The forces on the paper are high in comparison to its ripping strength. It might have a more catastrophic impact on the table saw itself with it inner bearing/inserts.

    • @grumpytuber
      @grumpytuber 4 года назад

      this was my thought too. eventually there will be an undesirable dangerous situation.

  • @robertgibson6889
    @robertgibson6889 3 года назад +6

    Goes against having a nice waxed table top and fence so that your wood glides through smoothly and quickly. Next video: "putting square wheels on your car to mix your paint cans on the way home"

  • @shredfast4819
    @shredfast4819 4 года назад +31

    I don't know about you guys but someone here is gonna become a billionaire real soon with this invention....

    • @OrigamiMaster06
      @OrigamiMaster06 4 года назад +3

      It's actually a really bad idea. This saw blade heavily increases kickback.

    • @VaracolacidVesci
      @VaracolacidVesci 3 года назад

      Yeah but it will require a lot of people like you that lacks every bit of knowledge power tool related to have buyers

  • @8opposite200
    @8opposite200 4 года назад

    This is my first video I've seen from your channel, you have some creative and smooth video transitions! Subbed!

  • @W1ldt1m
    @W1ldt1m 4 года назад

    I have a sanding disc for my radial arm saw it was a OEM add on in the sixties from Sears. They also sold round sand paper specifically for you to glue to it.

  • @deletdis6173
    @deletdis6173 4 года назад +8

    4:40 for result

  • @captncloud50
    @captncloud50 4 года назад +11

    Can’t believe nobody thought of this before. How is this not a product! Should move to patent it. Maybe even turn the blade into a metal sander on the sides by etching it.

    • @gabrielghanem8253
      @gabrielghanem8253 4 года назад +2

      Because the measurements aren't accurate anymore

    • @chrisestrada6513
      @chrisestrada6513 4 года назад +2

      They did. 2010 its was called the Final Cut.

  • @WheredMyPiggyGo
    @WheredMyPiggyGo 4 года назад +7

    This is the guy who's wife asks him what his thinking and upon answering instantly regrets asking.

  • @CF-Builds
    @CF-Builds 4 года назад

    Just found your channel, I just wanted to compliment you on that functional little setup you've got there, it looks awesome!

  • @nealwalden3543
    @nealwalden3543 4 года назад

    Hello John: Have you seen/heard of the Edge Tech II sanding disc? Basically a 10" diameter alum disk with a 2 degree "dome" in section. You install on your arbor and set the arbor to 2 degrees. Now the sanding face and your table saw bed are at 90 degrees, yet the sanding area contact zone is fairly small when passing through rips or edges needing sanding. Works awfully well. I think now sold via Wurth Group (Louis & Company). Pretty clever idea.... I don't use it often but when needed it does the job.

  • @jakester1390
    @jakester1390 4 года назад +19

    Well, now you have to try it with your miter saw. Or hell, even your band saw.

    • @jamesbrooks2132
      @jamesbrooks2132 4 года назад +12

      John, if you take the time to adhere sandpaper to the entirety of your bandsaw blade to try it out I promise to become a patreon. 😆😆

    • @danielmcdonald6148
      @danielmcdonald6148 4 года назад +4

      Bye bye bandsaw guide blocks 🤣

    • @funnahguy
      @funnahguy 4 года назад

      I have made a fair share of angry wasps before... this could make a swarm if not using a hold down

  • @MeepMeep88
    @MeepMeep88 4 года назад +4

    Can you cut while glueing the wood at the same time?
    How about paint while cutting?

  • @ViperBE
    @ViperBE 4 года назад +5

    Welcome to another episode of RUclips Corona Recommendations!

  • @jms415
    @jms415 4 года назад

    Kudos for trying it. I would have thought about it for 10 more years before actually just seeing what happens.... :)

  • @Scrimblo.net_
    @Scrimblo.net_ 4 года назад

    The sandpaper idea is neat but the tool you made to take the nut of the blade is amazing

  • @19nd88
    @19nd88 4 года назад +25

    that looks like an perfect kickback-machine. but hey, it could be the american dream

    • @usmccampbell23
      @usmccampbell23 4 года назад +1

      No kidding!!!

    • @cakeofthepan2233
      @cakeofthepan2233 4 года назад

      The American dream?..you guys are dulling your saw blades on a burnt bit of twisted timber at the moment..I sincerely wish you the best of luck

  • @gs-mt8zd
    @gs-mt8zd 4 года назад +18

    As Arte Johnson would say..."verrry interesting"

    • @ahvavee
      @ahvavee 4 года назад

      But not shtupid

  • @Kamikaze_4
    @Kamikaze_4 4 года назад +16

    4:00 Where he has the sandpaper and is trying it out.
    4:46 Results: Yeah you can. It's smoother.

  • @dirteemartini_art
    @dirteemartini_art 4 года назад +1

    blew my mind twice with one vid, subed! gear paddle for changing the nut on the table saw?!?!?! to legit and plus the double power of sant and cutting, my man you rock

  • @Foogayzee
    @Foogayzee 4 года назад

    I cannot stress how much I appreciate toning down the noise of the machines.

  • @nobuckle40
    @nobuckle40 4 года назад +7

    Sometimes seeing actually is believing. I also though it was going to bind. Will you keep the sand paper on?

    • @P4NCH1
      @P4NCH1 4 года назад +2

      Seems risky over time. I bet in 3 or 4 days the sandpaper is all caught up in the center

  • @mikecarey5432
    @mikecarey5432 4 года назад +5

    Hmmm could be a new invention in this. Imagine having the face of the blade actually machined to do this job, kinda like a metal file... 🤔

    • @Riffmaker2704
      @Riffmaker2704 4 года назад +3

      Or maybe it could grab the workpiece and kick it back, piercing your body. This is fucking dangerous.

    • @DasosBeats
      @DasosBeats 4 года назад +1

      The width of the blade base is made thinner than the width of the teeth themselves and it has the reason that only the teath cut/touch your workpiece. This is so that your work piece has way less touching points with the blade and it reduces wear of the blade and kickback also. By glueing sand paper on it to make it work, it has to be made the same width as the teeth AND it RADICALLY increases the chance of a kickback because of the higher drag. It's a fun idea but also with that kind of saw that he's using its really dangerous in my eyes

    • @mikecarey5432
      @mikecarey5432 4 года назад

      @@DasosBeats well I'm sure with the right R&D it could be a viable option. I don't have all the answers, just saying it's an idea that could be developed. Every new idea comes with H&S risks that need to be addressed... 🙂

  • @beepbeeplettuce848
    @beepbeeplettuce848 4 года назад +9

    One of my table saw blades comes with 220 grit texture already on the side of it

    • @michaelcoceski5442
      @michaelcoceski5442 4 года назад +1

      I have a sanding disk - I'll have to file some teeth on it to do the cutting as well.

    • @dangerboy808
      @dangerboy808 4 года назад +3

      What kind of blade is that? What's the brand?

    • @adlibrium
      @adlibrium 4 года назад

      @@dangerboy808 there is a blade called Final Cut that has this feature

  • @randsipe224
    @randsipe224 3 года назад

    It was a bold experiment with a surprising outcome. There may even be some situations where you may want to pull out your sanding saw blade again.

  • @twizzboyszyt7691
    @twizzboyszyt7691 4 года назад

    I only watched this vid and i love this guy already. Is it just me or is it chill to listen to him