SNS 304 Part 1: Removing Broken Bolts, New Baldor Buffer
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- This week we have a double header. In part one I show the new Baldor buffer we purchased for the shop. Afterwards we get busy on a job removing broken bolts, and one broken tap. Follow up with part 2 as I dive into the Baldor for improvements, and we share some new shop organization tools.
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"when it burns like that it's locktite" those are the nuggets of experience you share with us that I love
Possibly loctite, it could also be any number of other things. Dried out lube burns like that too.
What I have success with on those Blue Point easy outs is use two wrenches on the deep driver nut opposed to each other then the torque doesn't push the easy out to one side...works for me.
You know you effed up when Adam whistles at your effort.
You have a lot of experience and, as usual, its a pleasure to watch a pro in action regardless of the job as you can tap into your vast wealth of knowledge.
Great video and nice save of those pool rails. One word of warning when using stainless steel bolts, it’s worth using never seize instead of loctite because if stainless steel fittings are tightened up together real hard the stainless has a bad habitat of gauling or pulling the threads and they will never come loose. My sons install stainless fittings to buildings and they bring home tons of scrap for me to pull apart for scrapping. I have had a lot of the bolts bind up and I have to resort to the grinder as there is no saving them. The threads are totally stuffed. Cheers Stuart 🇦🇺
Hi Adam, One of the things I love about your channel is how when something works, like removing the bolt, you're as excited as a little kid after his first pony ride. Love it. Be well & Best regards, Gottfried
Great Job as usual! Adam, I have been watching you for many years and I have to say I am disappointed in your comment about the owner trying to get the bolt out himself. I am a regular home owner just like this guy probably is. I WOULDN'T be a home owner if every time something broke I paid a professional to fix it. He gave it a try! Now he hopefully knows his limitations or he will learn by his mistakes. The American farmer, who I admire, knows how to do everything. He learns to do most things because he has to. (of course with in limits) Never criticize a man willing to try! That's what you are there for, to pull us out of the whole. Just as a side note: It's hard to find a professional willing to do small work like this. Years ago they would do this stuff for free.
Anyone who does repairs will encounter broken bolts. Thanks Abom79 for the very informative video which shows different approaches to the problem, performed by someone with a lot of experience!
I just spotted the sticker on your green cabinet: "Real Fabricators Break Chinese Tools". Love it!
I did as well, and looked up the source. It comes from Burr King. They also sell a T-shirt.
Yea I got that from Burr King at Fabtech 👍🏻
@@Abom79, I went to their website and discovered they are giving them away free. Just send them a self addressed, stamped envelope. Heading to the mail box Monday morning. BTW, thanks for the great content.
All the old quality made tools are now made outside the USA 😞
Us fake fabricators have no problem breaking Chinese tools either lmao
Excellent! I like that you showed the extractor set and all the parts and pieces that make work. Three times on the welding the washer to the bolt shows a lot of patience.
I love the sticker on the green cabinet that says " CANCER SUCKS"!! I'm a stage 4 Colon Cancer patient and I can honestly say that CANCER SUCKS!!!!!
Randy Daye Could not agree more with you Randy. I sincerely and genuinely, hope and pray that we can hear you someday say you’re a cancer survivor. Godspeed on your fight with colon cancer. You’ll be in my prayers.
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Adam, I've always liked how you say "We got it done" or "we're going to do this or that". Its like us viewers are part of the job. Nice touch.
I can't be the only one that thought that the Baldor Buffer was going to tackle the heat discoloration.
I love my blue point bolt extractors, I’ve been using them for 45 yrs!
Add those to your bag of extractions! I need a neighbor/buddy like you! I'd even buy the beer/steaks/materials/etc. Let me know when you want to move to WV lol
Steaks And Prime Ribeyes are currency around here
I admire your patience as well as your skills.
Send the old machine that gave up the ghost to one of those Rebuilt/Renovation youtuber maybe ?
Adam, I enjoy your videos, what you do is very similar to what I do in my job daily. I have been a maintenance machinist for 13 1/2 years. I repair and fab parts that you can't just call someone up and order a new one.I don't feel I would like a "production" machinist job. If I have to make more than 10 pieces of something I get frustrated. Those bolt extractors do work well. The machinist that trained me (40 years experience), used to take dull and chipped taps and hand grind a square taper on them and use them for bolt extractors. To this day I haven't found anything that works better. Keep the great videos coming. Stay safe.
I feel that taps would be too brittle to rely on using them for bolt extractors, not saying they don’t work.
@@Abom79 Next time you chip a tap, grind one down to a taper square and try it. You will be surprised. I work with 20 millwrights, I can't keep them in my box, they take them all the time.
I love tying to get broken bolts out that other people try to do it’s satisfying because there is so many different methods you can you use and sometimes they all might fail
Gould and Eberhardt shirt ....I grew up in Irvington NJ and lived there until 1962. Many industrial type companies in Newark and Irvington and other towns in the area. My father worked for Thomas A Edison Industries, West Orange. I love your videos, you’re a very talented machinist. !
I was a foreman at a machine shop I worked at years back and one of my nightly dutys before leaving was to check and make sure our Baldor machines were off. They were so very quiet you had to visually check them. Spent many hours in front of Baldor equipment. Great quality machines.
I was hired by one shop to put all Baldor grinders on one circuit breaker with an indicator light for that breaker. That was so they could shut off that one breaker and know they were shut down. At the end of the day they shut all the power with the main breaker, but they wanted to make sure the Baldor's were shut down.
You are the master of the torch. Very impressive..
Welding is my go to for those. If it breaks off weld again. Sometimes welding 5 or 6 times on one fastener is required. Welding works when extractors don't. The repeated heating and cooling of the parts is what makes it loosen up. Also the first weld two is often porous from impurities. Repeated welding burns them out. Sometimes it doesn't work like the last one a 6mm brittle bolt in a honda dirt bike engine. It was locked into the magnesium case. Had to drill all the way through and helicoil it. Wish I had a milling machine for that.
I am an automotive machinist and run into the same problem regularly. I own every type of extractor known to man but my blue-point (rigid) set is the best one out there. With accurate drilling, heat and patience i have a high success rate for removal. Now if we could only get them to bring us the part before they try to remove them.
Surprised you didn't use that brand new Baldor to polish that 316ss tube back to new after heating...
Man after my own heart. Doesn't give up and gets the job done! Awesome
This a fantastic channel and so educational. Your knowledge and skill with those machine tools is second to none. You seem like such a decent guy and deserve everyone of your 414k subscribers. Thanks for educating me Sir, I take my hat off to you!
I use the welding trick for exhaust manifolds on f150’s, and I tell guys to weld a nut on the broken studs. Sometimes you gotta weld 5 or 6 nuts on there before the stud will finally free up. I think you keep breaking the bolt off deeper and deeper into the hole and get below the corrosion and they’ll finally free up.
I pick up that exact model currently wired for 110v on an online auction for $145.00. I love mine it's on a homemade pedestal but works fine, enjoy!
What did I learn watching this? Leave it to the professionals! I have no idea and none of the gear. Very enjoyable watching those bolt shafts come out. Extremely satisfying!
Even though a job looks simple, doesn't mean it is. Fantastic job and love the commentary.
Some people mistake easy for fast. Walking for 2 hours is not complicated. It still takes 2 hours.
Adam thanks again for the education, those are awesome extractors. I've got to get me some.
RIDGID 35585
You are amazing. I found myself rooting for you the whole time.
Something I use to free broken or stuck bolts in addition to heat is apply heat then spray with penetrating oil, PB Blaster or Liquid Wrench as it cools. Heat until the oil smokes. The cooling tends to pull the oil down around the threads and help break them loose. Works for me.
I always use some kind of oil or penetrating oil, or even water.
These bolts were way beyond that procedure. And just fyi...if you like to use that method, try using a candle or some paraffin wax instead of oil. It wicks down into the joint and works like magic...for places that can't be heated too hot. I use it to loosen stuck bleeder petcocks for brake systems. Heat the joint to about 350°F (just hot enough to melt the wax easily) and stick the wax on the joint ...it wicks in and the bolt or petcock unscrews like it was never stuck in the first place.
A good quality torx set works well as extractors as well. I've used many methods over the years to remove broken bolts including heating and welding. When you weld a nut or washer to the broken bolt let it cool slightly then remove it. If you reheat it, many times it will twist off. Also to remove a broken tap depending on if the hole it is in is a blind or open hole you can use a air hammer with a punch or chisel bit to break it out, but be careful to cover it with a heavy rag or something similar to trap or deflect the pieces that will break apart. Wear safety glasses and leather gloves
When those broken bolts come out that's the time to do the happy dance. Nice work! 👍
Also, just to point out, that handrail started out good by being made out of good materials. Lot of things now are just "good enough for a while" and by the time you notice something like the bolt going rusty, the rest of the thing around it is also gone bad too.
You gotta love it. A _pool_ railing bolted in with a carbon steel bolt ! "Rust, we don't got no stinking rust. Water don't cause me no rust."
Ugg!!! Fixing someone else’s attempted repair...I always enjoy your presentation!
I really like those extractors. I made a custom wrench like a tap handle so it turns level. I cut the box end off and welded a bar out each end.
Amazing patience you had w/ those bars' frozen bolts.
The tool you use for the broken bolts, is just to cool.
I hate that it was a rough job, but dang it's good to watch you solve the problem.
Baldor can't be beat, ever. I have used them for well over 45 years.
I learned a long time ago to assemble things with plenty of silver or copper anti-sieze compounds. Small screws in old Japanese motorcycles tought me that.
When you find yourself in a hole STOP DIGGING! You are a patient man Mr. Booth!
Love your work Adam, bit seriously I would have cleaned them up and finished the polishing. Just something I would do for my customer. You got a like, and I am a subscriber.
I have had some success with adding antiseize directly after heating and letting that soak through then heating again
Adam, you’re a helluva teacher! 👍👍👍👍
another way to use the drill guides is to reinstall the part in question water pump or what ever with the good bolt holes, use the play in the holes to move the part around and get the other hole perfectly aligned for center drilling. in the event the extractors don't work I have be successful in drilling bigger and bigger until the bolt can be removed like a slinky with a pair of pliers. love your vids Adam, been a viewer for a long time. never comment till tonight. just something I have a lot of experience with from an auto tech situation. I am very new to machining.
I have a baldor buffer with the extended shafts, smooth, smooth, smooth. Cant beat a baldor for smooth and quiet.
a welder will easily extract broken bolts/studs. i have to do it all the time. it's unfortunate this had to come to Abom, but he did a great job solving the problem that was created.
My Blueprint extractor set looks as old as yours, it has been so useful, it has also got me out of deep XXXX more than once ! Nicely done.
I have two of those buffers. I use cotton wheels and wire wheels. Used mostly for polishing bronze, steel and soft metals.
If you need cotton wheels and buffing suppies in general, contact Brownells. I see you use Brownells cold blacking
and bluing. Great supplier for metal polishing and metal colouring.
Fantastic video Adam enjoying catching up on them all
I became a Snap-on Dealer in 1980 (financial error). Everything on my truck with the name Blue Point was not manufactured by Snap-on. Dealers make a greater percentage profit selling Snap-on then they do Blue Point and the warrant was the same. I believe that holds true to this day. Rigid made or still makes a set of extractors which are the same as the Blue Point extractors sold by Snap-on. I do not know if Rigid holds the patent or who actually manufactures them, never bothered me to research it. The spline tool works great (superior to the tapered left hand twist E Z outs) until it meets it's match then it too will break off no matter how close you place the nut to the broken off bolt. In fact, it can break without warning. After using it in a successful bolt extraction, inspect the spline. If it has a twist, consider it wasted and get a replacement. Snap-on used to honor their lifetime free replacement warranty on them. Worth checking with your Snap-on dealer, free is a no brainer. The stainless tubes were glowing red. I think the rust resistance is gone forever. Hope the owner is aware of the possibility.
Awesome repair brother. It is usually ALOT easier to extract broken bolts before somebody goes monkeydicking with them.
I like to use the candle wax trick on most of them. Seems to take less heat sometimes.
Really dig that extractor set. I dont have one personally but I have used sets just like that. A world of difference over a standard "EZ-OUT"
Congratulations on the new buffer purchase, you should get a lifetime of use out of it.
Thank you for sharing. Love the channel.
i bought a set of those extractors in 1990. just starting off fresh out of school. from snap on thy are great. living in New York after one winter nothing comes apart without heat and often breakage i know in the 2000 the snap on replacements to the original blue points didn"t like heat especially removing mirrors from pete trucks. you had the trifecta with there mirrors after we drilled out the mono bolt rivets and replaced them after the painting of the truck; their doors are aluminum the mirror bracket is chrome steel and we used stainless steel nuts and bolts to reassemble' most of the time tring to remove them after a year or two they had the white puss even using stainless steel bolts and anti seize on the threads to prevent gulling and than you had mac trucks using the rivet nuts. who ever invented those needs a trip behind the shed and a good rear end whipping cause now for the pass 10 years or so every vehicle on the road uses them and they got cheaper love your channel. i did light machining at the garbage company i work at here in New York. making different slide rollers for the pusher blades in the rear modern corporation. they do have a recycling center in Bonita springs Florida and fort Myers Florida
man what a beer and cuss worthy job... good work Adam.
Nice extractor set....as you stated, a lot of 'extractors' are tapered and just make the broken part tighter when you 'tap' on them...
very impressed Adam well done
It's really important to put the nut on the extractor as far down as you can, so that you don't get torsion spring in the extractor, they also might break off if you have the nut too far up.
Once you know that, it's the best extractors there is, the ones I used also came with reverse drillbits, so if the drill grabbed when drillin, the screw would tread out, not down into the hole, it worked suprisingly often...
I love old tools man.
I’ve used that type of extractors, they are very good 👍🇬🇧
Nicely done Abom
Abom, you are the man!
Great job Adam, love the videos here in the UK
Snap on still sells this as a Blue Point set. The case is now a plastic blow molded case. I have one.
well done
I found that it's working better if I put that red hot piece in water. That rapid cooling breaks the oxid layer.
You are right.
That bolt extractor works slick. As someone said, "Easy outs aren't".
Home Depot has a similar screw extractor set branded as Astro Pneumatic
Cool video! Thanks for sharing that! I love those blue points. Shame you can’t get them off the shelf at any hardware/automotive store but there is a wide variety of crap tools that won’t work and make a bad situation worse. Lol.
I’m a home repair man an I tell people all the Time to leave stuff along. But do they listen nope!!
when the workpiece is still flaming and glowing when you go in, you know theres some serious extracting shit's goin on :D
Adom, try preheating the nut before welding. The nut is pulling too much heat from the weld preventing a good weld penetration. Whenever a weld fails, look closely at the weld. Did it fail in the weld or the parent metal?
good advice.
i,ve been doing it the wrong way, thanks for the video.
I have that same set of extractors
Great show Adam, really enjoyed it. The extractor set performed well and your point of the shape (straight vs wedge) seems valid and makes sense. That torch looks much like my old Smith Airline, only full-size. Could it be a Smith? A thrill to ride along as always Adam, thanks for sharing.
Nice job Adam 😎 terrific pic @ end of vid 👍
Well now I know I am to timid with the heat
Whoa those bolts were definitely stuck. I was wondering how you were gonna get that tap outta there. Nice job Adam
Way to go man!!! Great video
That’s an awesome set I have 2 of them from snap on
That is the way to do it! Terry
master level only... nice!
Man if those old tool could talk '.
Great job.
Baldor sounds like something out of the Lord of The Rings.
mqL49J it *is* in lord of the rings. It is based I think though in the Norse god Baldr (or Baldur in some translations) who was so wonderful all of the gods and mansions loved him. Good name really.
Could be they added oil when drilling the holes, to cool the drill. Oil is flammable.
Great job !!! Do have any recommendation on brand of anti-seize? Would one brand be better on stainless steel vs carbon steel?
There are few problems that can’t be solved with the proper application of BTUs
Could you use a tap wrench on the Blue Point extractor to keep it more centered in the bore than a wrench would?
No a tap wrench won’t work on the splined type extractors, they have the wrench adapter that slide down over the splines. Adam didn’t drill with the proper sized drill and he wasn’t getting the splined shaft as far down as they are intended to be, if they were further down inside they wouldn’t shift to the side and they don’t slip loose.
adom try this method heat the part to cherry red then quench it the faster you can quench it the better and it will free up
I cringed when I saw the tap broken off, dam man ! Now that of watched the whole video I'm speechless as the how easy those carbon steel bolts came out of that stainless steel even with the heat and the welding. Good job
You need to try the Wilton tap extractor set..,
I think you should try your hand at restoring your dad's old buffer!
Sorry, I can't agree with your Baldor quality comments. There are Baldor motors in the machinery that I work on and I have replaced a number of them over the last couple of years due to bad design. Leeson is the way to go in my opinion, or in Australia, WEG.
This video was a better one. Nice job.
Who else is telling Adam get a glove. Heat WILL transfer to the punch, tap or whatever your using GUARANTEED.
Your two nuts are #1 Adam!