Voyager Reviewed! (by a pedant) S6E09: THE VOYAGER CONSPIRACY
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- Опубликовано: 8 окт 2024
- Can't believe she didn't realise that Neelix is secretly a Sith Lord.
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Today's Thought Experiment: Did they throw Kes in the warp core and falsify the records? Is Kim secretly an alien recording device and that's why he's got no personality? Are they all still trapped in the Caretaker's holodeck and this whole thing is bollocks? I want *your* Voyager conspiracy!
I think suter grew some awesome marijuana with his orchids and 7 assimilated it and got super paranoid
The Caretaker and Kes were both secretly Q on a dare from Picard who figured he could get some peace by tricking Q into harassing a different crew for a few decades.
Nealix can cook really well, just choose not too.
Nick Lorcano is the bastard offspring of Admiral Paris put Janeway up to taking taking Tom Paris to the Badlands, knowing they'd be thrown across the universe, because even though Lorcano was kicked out of Starfleet for lying at an inquiry and getting a fellow cadet killed, he's still the least disappointing child.
Neelix fully knew about the caretaker and what it was doing, after all, how could have he meet Kes without being close to the array even for a little bit.
he didn't want to say at the beginning because its a barganin chip and later because of embarrasment of getting caught in a lie
"Just like Tasha Yar, Seven returns to her bed with data in hand and prepares for plugging in."
Such a specific and excellent line.
Had to rewind the video 😂
Me too, and I only just got that.
Dang , you beat me to it. I can't seem to get past that line. I'm replaying it!!!
I wonder if Data needed to be plugged into the wall too.
That got me, lol.
And yet again, Neelix's mess hall is a danger to the ship.
This plot implies that the more connections you can find between things, the more it leads back to everything being about you. From conspiracy to paranoia.
Yeah, it's a good lesson but this episode is a bad 'un.
That line refrencing Tasha and Data was hilarious, and brilliant. Stuff like that is why I love this channel.
You and me both!
It would be classed as an upgrade Space Dog. Another thing to remember is Seven is still in many ways a child. The conspiracy stuff would appeal to that side of her too.
I like the bit where Chakotay and Janeway, ready to start shooting each other in the back, compare notes and go "Hang on, this whole thing is cobblers"
I did like the alien who didn't have an ulterior motive etc, he was just wanting to get home and was happy to let Voyager use his stuff after.
6:56 "Oh my!" - Takei
Huge points for that multilayered pun. So well constructed, and fully functional too!
Photonic fleas, from the Space Dog.
It's pretty dumb for Janeway and Chakotay to not bring up the Dominion War and the destruction of the Maquis.
That'd require the writers to pay attention to what other writers are doing.
Did they know about that yet?
@@RalphyNoPants Of course they knew. DS9 was off the air when this episode aired.
Indeed. I find it very difficult to believe either Janeway or Chakotay would be so stupid. Why not make 7 sit down and write a list of propsed theories and counter them, one at a time. Talking to her instead of just assuming her panic is based on reality and not imagination?
How could they have known?
The only refrence they might have known about the war was from MK.2 and it wasnt said that there was a war when they recieved all those massages
I read this article not too long ago about how a study found that one of the most common character traits of conspiracy theorists is overconfidence; basically the more you think you're right all the time, the more likely you are to buy into conspiracies. Which makes sense because why would you question something you're so sure that you're right about. So it seems that you were right on the money about why Seven bought into all of this.
I cant wait for the remaining season 6 reviews, in part because from here on out they are mostly good episodes that stray away from bs stories, to stories adding connections between crew members. Especially the next one that adds a new connection from the tng cast.
12:06 they probably both returned their guns and this is Janeway's turbolift gun.
Janeway's pet guns must have their bloodlust sated before they are returned to their homes, stashed away throughout the ship.
I can’t imagine Janeway would ever have authorised that new branial implant.
Janeway: oh you want to put in a new implant to make yourself *more* Borg? HOW ABOUT NO!
While high and pondering why Seven is so different in Picard, I realized something
Seven was assimilated at six years old (Holy shit) and the Borg aren't really the kind of people to socialize their drones. She effectively came out as a child still, and thus her weird jumps and conspiracy theories here makes sense: it's the kind of thing that a child who's critical thinking skills were handled by the Borg for awhile would come to believe. Really cool.
I like this one a lot, you're getting comfortable and looser with your script and it's warmer on the ear
That is one of the really fun late episodes. It sort of deconstructs a lot of the stupidity the crew did over the show, addresses some plot holes and even goes into some what if scenarios.
Why did they have tricobalt thingies in the pilot? Were there other ships from the alpha quadrant like the Equinox? Was there a way to go back quicker using caretaker tech? Is there any truth to any of Seven's evidence?
I would say one of my favorite episodes from season 5-7
14:06 20 Years is so doable
Yes penultimate season, now is the perfect time to remember that you have two crews acting as one and suspicion between them could be a plot point.
Two and a half crews. About one third is former marquis and they have a handful from the Equinox around.
@@HappyBeezerStudios Just like the writers I forgot about them for a second. You would think they might want a word or two about how the ship is running or might set up a social group that could cause problems.
I think today's review was easily your best and funniest in a good while now. that dig about Tasha and Data was absolute gold. freaking hilarious, LOL! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. Well done Sir!
"trying to process too much Data"
And there´s the real reason Tasha died.
...too soon?
After all, he is "fully functional"
"Just like Tasha Jar, seven heads to bed Data in hand and prepares to plug in" 😂😂😂😂 well done sir. Well done
Tri-cobalt something or others I think they were called. Maybe they had some specific purpose in the Badlands, or maybe they were spec'd for an early scientific mission which got sidelined when the ship was pressed into service for the Marquee mission.
Or maybe it was just a deus ex machina that the writers didn't want voyager to be able to endlessly repeat.
They called them "tricobalt devices". Prior to that, tricobalt weapons were called "primitive" in TOS. I think that the writers included them because photon torpedoes would have seemed somewhat overpowered had they used them to destroy the Array. The two used had a yield of 20 000 teracochranes, which must be something like a black hole in subspace as the distortion is about 20 quadrillion times what you'd need for warp 1. I think it was just that sci fi writers often want to go with what sounds good rather than what would be internally consistent in the universe.
@@thegreenmanofnorwich Thanks, it does annoy me when they can't be bothered to make up an in-universe reason for something
@@geekehUK exactly that lack of in-universe explanation was what lead to so many fan theories. Why do they have them on board? What was their original purpose? They seem to be very powerful, so why didn't they produce more?
Thank you for making me smile
"Just like Tasha Yar..." 😂😂😂 Awesome!!
Great episode and really enjoyed this one 👏
We need a count of all the times Neelix cooking endangered the ship.
I really like this episode. Easily 8 out 10 stars for me! BUT...Janeway didn't insist on destroying the catapult after they used it, which is truly a slap in the face to her crew. I mean, really!
Yeah, for once Janeway didn't want to kaboom something.
Ohhhh damn. 2 special bombs huh. An and endless supply of torpedos.😅🤣
The torpedoes were also Janeways pets
I never trusted Naommi. I knew she was the villain all along. But seriously I like the idea of a good conspiracy episode, but the problem with these episodes in series like this is the suspicion on the lead characters rarely can lead to anything interested. Either someone was mistaken, the lead characters were hijaked by space something or others or it's a dream. The season 2 DS9 episode I forget the name, with O'Brian at least tried to have an interesting twist, which I appreciate.
And this is actually a rather good conspiracy episode given the material. Voyager doesn't do the drawn out storylines like DS9 and doesn't have the witchhunt we got in TNG, but the setup and execution work.
The way Seven comes to her theories are plausible, the first information she gains proves to be true, and only over time do her theories become more and more ludicrous.
Even when the explains to Chakotay the whole Federation-Cardassian invasion thing she can show evidence.
Only when she goes to Janeway and gives her the exact opposite theory using the exact same evidence do we get a hint that something is off.
And only so far that we know her investigation leads in the wrong direction, but the evidence is still there. Why is there something that looks like a tractor beam? Why did the ship have tricobalt explosives?
best part of Toddy being chosen is Tom has little love for star trek, no doubt the person who put the name in knew that, props!
Not just Tasha Yar.
“Data was available. I took him, we came.” - Elizabeth Shelby, The Best of Both Worlds part 1
3:35 "Throwyboi 2000" nice touch 😂
One thing that never made sense to me about this episode, by know they should know about the war with the Dominion. While I dont think pathfinder has happened yet, the episode hunters back in season 4 did get them back into content with starfleet if briefly. And they were able to get information both ways
So the Chakotay should have thrown sevens theory into question
Stupid "we're gonna go out of our way to avoid references to the other Trek show" rules. The Doc's Alpha Quadrant Hijinks basically being as far as they were willing to bend that particular rule.
It should have been addressed but its easy enough to dismiss im this context, the information came from a federation source after all.
@@jamesmyles4540 I mean, that's a pretty poor motivation, tbh. It requires a level of distrust between the factions on Voyager that didn't even exist by the end of season 1, much less the start of season 6.
And, I've been saying this for years, but there is no real, *actual* difference in ideology between the Federation and Maquis, save for one specific policy decision (i.e., the territorial concessions to the Cardassian Union as part of the peace treaty). That's literally the only reason for the conflict, and aside from that, they fundamentally agree on everything else. The Maquis isn't anti-democratic, its not some religious cult seeking to impose itself on anyone else, and its not based on any bigotry (except maybe anti-Cardassian, but even a lot of loyal Federation citizens hold that view, see Chief O'Brien, among others).
So, absent the very specific context of the interwar period and the DMZ, any interactions between the Federation and Maquis is bound to play out like it did on Voyager. And after the start of the Dominion War (and even in its aftermath), the Maquis were effectively vindicated enough that any survivors would likely be pardoned by the Federation, if for no other reason than political pressure.
It’s a good thing that Seven didn’t uncover any records related to the Ktarian conspiracy to take over the Federation with orgasm visors.
That isn’t a joke.
God xD gotta love the toddy yogscast reference
yeah conspiracy theorists basically always ignore all the holes, like all the thousands of people who'd have to know about the moon landing hoax and never talk
Imagine if Janeway would fight Kirk-style with the open handed chops and double-fisted punches and judo throws instead of with her guns. What fun show this might have been.
Don't forget the wall jump leading into an elbow to the back.
One of my favorites
I don't feel this episode works because we don't get an explanation. I haven't seen this episode in a while but it needed a Jonathan Creek/ Monk "Here's what happened." kind of thing.
So now Seven has a hoovering attachment? I thought that was a different show..
I wonder if they give up trying to kill Tom when Torris gets pregnant. Or double down in their attempts.
I LOVE this episode
On the topic of conspiracy theories, I have a theory on how they occur and how people are drawn in by them. Most of the time, a rational person will consider facts, form a reasonable belief based on those facts, and then act in accordance with that belief. In this way, action follows belief. Sometimes though, someone does a bad thing (typically where their beliefs and desires conflict, and where the desires win out) and it makes them feel bad because they violated their own beliefs. Once this occurs, the person has two options. They can either maintain their belief and the understanding that their action went against it (e.g., I got angry and punched Neelix, but I believe that punching is bad, so I understand that my action violated my beliefs), then taking responsibility for the violation, or they can change their belief to accommodate the act, justifying that act in the person's mind so they no longer feel bad. This is a psychological defense mechanism whereby action doesn't follow belief, but belief instead follows action. A person acts how they want, secure in the knowledge that they can change their beliefs (e.g., punching Neelix is okay if he gets really annoying) whenever needed to protect their ego.
Relating to conspiracy beliefs, a person who routinely changes their beliefs to excuse socially unacceptable behaviour begins to adopt beliefs that are repeatedly more detached from reality; if real facts won't excuse bad behaviour, fake ones are required. Eventually, this leads a person to social spheres that are defined by socially unacceptable beliefs, and these become the only social spaces where the person can feel seen and validated. Once that occurs, the person would potentially need to throw out their entire social life and start from scratch in addition to taking responsibility for their bad behaviours in order to return to rationality. And given that the whole process started because the person was unwilling to take responsibility for what was likely a single transgression that hurt their ego, the escape from that process is unlikely to occur without an uncommonly immense impetus.
ahahhaa that Tasha Yar line
15:20 and yet they had several traitors onboard
Roulette Wheel Earth? Flat Earth wasn't good enough for Prof. Orlando Ferguson?
*pop a name on the lad*
i almost subscribe sort of to one conspiricy:- the money gets wat they want. problem is, i dont know these people, so have not got, the foggyest idea what they want
Throwyboi 2000 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Floor-less
This episode... It was OK. But those faulty premises of 7 's hypotheses were not too feasible, it would have been cool if there was a little conspiracy here, maquis? NEELIX good option to be the traitor, there was more infiltration stuff here so.. 🤔
It's just the fact chakotay and Janeway of course would talk about this conspiracy and 7 did the "client of Breaking bad 's Malcolm in the middle' s father".
Wasn't it better to turn the shuttle around and fly back to the voyager?
I don't think conspiraciea are a good way to kill time. Less with those premises 🤔
Not my favorite episode I have to say. For me conspiracy/sewing discord stories have similar problems as espionage stories; at some point common sense has to rear its head and the twist can only be put down to psychic shenanigans, act of god, or, in Seven's case, Borg gizmo fuckery. Which is usually what it comes down to because at this point even episodes about Seven were becoming predictable: either exploring some new foible about being human or Borg gizmo fuckery.
This is such a silly episode. The premise was ridiculous.
I can't sad until you get to Unimatrix Zero and the mess that is.
I absolutely love these reviews - they're such a good fun way to look at the series and the end sketches with the dogs are excellent!
I've said it before and I'll say it again - I REALLY hope you're planning to carry this on and do The Original Series or The Next Generation! I'm not forgetting about DS9, it's just that all the characters are really, really shit except Garak. It's like a spacestation crewed entirely by Neelixs and Harry Kims.
I would love to hear your comments on Wesley Crusher! Even if you did just the first series of TNG I think it would be hilarious. That season includes some ridiculously bad episodes - The Naked Now, Code of Honour . . . etc.
Anyway - you have my support as long as you want to keep doing these and I'll continue to look forward to every one!
Cannot wait for the DS9 eps🫵