Michigan's teacher shortage leaves administrators scrambling to fill positions
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- Опубликовано: 18 ноя 2019
- According to a survey of Michigan school superintendents, more than half started the 2019-20 school year with unfilled teaching positions. It left school administrators scrambling to find long-term subs to fill the classroom positions. And the growing need for teachers isn't new for superintendents in Holland and Muskegon.
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Have you been in a classroom. I've had tables and chairs thrown at me, spit on, kicked, bite, punched, sworn at. That was elementary. Middle school and high school teachers can fear for their lives. Kids have zero discipline now and no respect.
The ones doing what you describe need to be rounded up and shipped to Africa along with their family members. Time to take out the trash.
There are private companies now that provide "virtual" teachers to schools that cannot attract in-person, live teachers. They are making bank, while inner-city schools carry on... ignoring the real problems.
@@JackTheSkunk Very few people want to talk about the elephant in the room. It's not socially acceptable or politically correct. But we have a big problem on our hands with inner-city schools.
Jack The Skunk you weren’t paying attention to the Gabby story. There are more Gabby stories across the nation. Teachers aren’t trained to deal with such traumatized students. Students are allowed to “run” some schools because the administrators want to “save” them. So students who were not able to cope with tremendous loss are left in the classrooms to “act out” while counselors are pulled away from their counseling to hold classes. Then the cycle never ends. It’s not just inner city schools. If you keep thinking it is inner city or public schools only, you’re going to be in for a rude awakening real quick. The education system is broken, because US won’t look for real solutions because US think it’s an district problem when it’s about to be the worst national disaster, after the opioid crisis.
You’ll see, unless you have solutions to help fix the Gabby stories.
Online education may just be the biggest wave and most innovative productive solution for many Americans. 🤷🏽♀️
Yeah, he didn't show that part. Teachers have to teach the national test to get more money.
1. Too many parents think public schools are day care centers.
2. Teacher are assaulted and threatened daily.
3. Teachers have to come out of pocket in order fulfill classroom supplies.
4. Teachers are not paid enough.
5. The school board doesn’t not care about a safe education nationwide.
6. Most teachers don’t take home more than 35k a year.
7. The news media and those are like the lead teachers want appreciation, but the fact is teachers want and need better pay and respect for their profession more than appreciation.
Too many public schools ARE day care centers. The school board does not care about a safe education. But I don't care how much you take home or how much you don't take home. There are no teachers because they are taking other jobs in the private sector.
4 and 6 are the same.
Parents think they are kids..
Its not like they ask their children what they learn today or even quiz them to make sure... American parents just want other people to take care of their kids...
@@paulcolburn3855
Would you want to keep a job where you are paid next nothing , forced to stay after hours and not paid overtime, paid only part of the year, in case you dont know it teachers do not receive a year around salary, in fact they are not paid during the summer when school is not in session. The teacher has 2 options either ask the payroll office to divide their 10 month salary in 12 payments so they can receive some pay over the summer, or get a slightly larger monthly payment for 10 months and find a summer job to earn a living for those 2 months when school is out .
I’m a teacher & I absolutely LOVE teaching! What I don’t love is the disrespect, the constantly having to defend, justify & explain every single thing I do in my classroom or having to be a behavior strategist & mental health crisis counselor. VERY little of what I actually do is teach & that is what saddens me.
I think you need to just ignore administrators. Let them talk, but stare straight at them and don't respond. When you stare into the face of an incompetent rube who knows they are in over their head, it really disturbs them. They have no idea what you are thinking. They stop bothering you.
@@yaimavol 😂😂 Me like!
Hang in there, Tiff. There is a kid out there that needs you.
You nailed it!!!
@Tiffy J: Try teaching in private school or one of the feeder programs like ABC or KIPP! The kids want to learn.
I told my daughter when she was small “do not become a teacher”. She was about 8 and I’m a teacher. Back then it was already bad.
My English 12 teacher asked what I was going to do after high schook and so said to become a teacher. She goes, "Whhhhhyyyyyyyy?" In the most sadest way. I mean, even my art teacher said something on those lines as Well. (In their defense, I can see why because my art teacher has to deal with THE WORST kid. Also, my English teacher seemed to be broken down by the end of the school year. Idk why she taught AP classes and Shakespeare Honors)
Teachers are often assigned what they have to teach. She may have really loved the classes and subject matter but if you have many classes of students not wanting to do the work, not wanting to respond, over time, the teacher too can feel burnout.
Student behavior today is not what it was once upon a time. We can't force anyone to behave and they know it and take advantage that no one can do anything.
I said something like that along the same lines to my little cousins, but instead I said don't be a cop.
@@nvalles2565 That's true. Personally, my English teacher was an actual favorite amongst us but not towards the 10th and 11th graders (I think she taught one regular English 10/11 class) I just feel bad for them though. The art teacher is in her 50s or 60s and she gets ran over by kids. I legit had to go off on students on her behalf (but mostly mine because 90% of the time the kids in her class are so rude and needed to be scolded) because I know shes too nice to tell them off. Personally, I fee like some teachers really need a backbone because your going to have to deal with kids from different areas and dont know what to expect. I do understand that a person's backbone may deteriorate over time, but that's why you got to have that flame with you. That's why I'm in college rn trying to become a teacher and these discourages only make me want to become one even more.
Its been my dream to bang a teacher
They can't expel disruptive students anymore. I'd leave the profession too.
Ticket them and the parents.
That's a small issue in a sea of issues.
lafl A teacher shouldn’t have to babysit the one terrible kid. When that happens, the teacher cannot teach and therefore the students can not learn. That is a vicious cycle. Teacher beings to hate their job, students don’t learn and have no reason to become a teacher.
@@JohnDoeDoeJohn69 In my city there is more than one diruptive student. All of the special ed and emotionally disturbed children are in the regular classroom. No teachers assistant unless the kid has a one on one. Even in Advanced placement classes. Some never do any work, but the are passed.
Rather B Fishing Yeah I should have been more general. But, the point still holds. We have made it less and less about true education, as we cater to kids who refuse to learn. This may be unpopular, but we should leave kids behind who only want to disrupt and ruin the learning environment (this does not include the mentally challenged).
Wait a minute. As an ex-teacher, these schools filmed are not typical of the urban schools I encountered. Where is the shrieking, foul language, acting out, rebellion, and chaos? Want to know why only idiots and fools want to teach in most public schools? The same reason people generally don't hang out around torture chambers.
Dammmnn... deep stuff and so true :/
Yeah, screw that. Why waste your time teaching kids that don't want to learn.
They didn’t film the real black ones
There is one in Queens, NY called LIC. You'd see drugs anywhere, a daycare room for teenaged mothers, and a metal detector since someone once got stabbed/brought a gun (I keep forgetting which one). Also the windows have some sort of cage thingy
Seems like you're singling out urban schools. Typical
Pay more. Back your teachers, stop screaming about test scores and let teachers be creative.
*IM SURE THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ALL THE EXTREMELY WELL BEHAVED STUDENTS* 😶
AND THE EXCELLENT SALARY A TEACHER EARNS TOO
One has to go to a wealthy, country environment to get a good, public education. In Texas, one has to go to a prominent private school.
Lol
@@ratherbfishing455 . Same in the Bay Area. Same everywhere.
@@wzortrex Not in the wealthy neighborhoods. The behavior is better. The students .ay be below grade level, because they do not read and play on electronics.
They probably quit because disruptive kids arent removed and all the good kids suffer.
They're also probably fed up with being abused with nothing to help them
I've worked with kids. You are 100% on the dime.
Not to mention mainstreaming disruptive kids with problems.
That is it!
I like how your saying that these kids that are disruptive should just be kicked out. Some have actually problems like ADHD and Autism, and simply “kicking” them out won’t help them at all. Some kids just need to be taught differently.
@@nataliesolondz4304 not at all just move to a specialized classroom
I taught in an inner city school for 2 years (the better one in the district) and the administration was the one that burned me most. Some of the kids certainly abused me, but I could take that as long as I knew they would be held accountable. Once the principals took the side of 2 of the worst kids in the school (twins) I was done.
Edit: reading these comments is like therapy. I'm so happy that I left and so happy that people empathize with teachers.
They are not addressing the actual problems. They place the blame on recruitment, training, and the teachers themselves.
Why are you surprised America? When you glorify sports stars, movie stars, gangster rappers, fallen stars as Heroes as idols, instead of the everyday working man who provides for his family what do you think do you think our kids are going to do?
@Susan Fudge right. Blame everything on black ppl...typical
@@moniqueloomis9772 What magical school did you attend?
@Susan Fudge You are ignorant about African Americans and I'm sure your children are the same. Racists like you are a big problem within the American school system with your lies and bullying.
@Susan Fudge Finally some one said. Minorities need to stop having children they don't want. We are paying for it, time to stop.
@Susan Fudge black kids not bullied by whites? That's a big lie. And you're probably not black or a teacher. Girl bye!
We all saw this coming. It was only a matter of time
True.
Why don't they just use television, apps, and RUclips to teach the kids. That would be a lot cheaper. I'm tired of my tax dollars going to these damn kids.
Well, it’s a horrible job and the pay sucks, so are you ready surprised?
Unlike Finnland were teachers are praised and well paid
kelbel good! The west is gonna die and rebuild
@kelbel You don't know shit about Finland nor the rest of the world. Have you even left America you racist POS?
No one wants to deal with badass kids and delusion parents anymore. On top of that you get paid peanuts.
I can't give you enough thumbs up.
True that unless you live in certain states. Connecticut has a higher pay than the average teacher in the U.S. and so does another state but I forgot the name. CT got it goid especially since they pay you even higher if your in urban areas👌
Amen
@Ad Lockhorst Shoot, yall got it worse than us! I feel bad and wish you guys the best... At least in the U.S. yeah, there's a shortage but for us, it really depends on where you live. (Like you said earlier) I'm at college to get my teachers degree and have thought about getting a montesorry (I forgot how to spell it lol) degree. If you have that, then you can teach basically anywhere in the world (which is cool) but still wont change the shortage. I feel like the best way to end teacher shortages, is to inspire others to become teachers, and PAY MORE.
Some teachers do get paid more especially with teaching different classes (like my Psych teacher in high sxholl told she gets paid a year average of $63,000 which is basically middle class money while my English teacher said something around like $55,000 or something).
Maybe its a U.S. thing or something but I feel like that should be noted
You get very low pay similar to what a walmart manager makes
3 points.
1) unemployment is low. Finding staff for many jobs is hard right now.
2) if you want to draw applicants offer more compensation. This goes for all jobs.
3) looking at the other comments, the classroom environment has become hostile to teachers.
Yep. I didn’t mind the pay during my first two years. I quit after three years knowing the kids can be as awful as they want with absolutely zero consequences, unless I had a pro-active parent backing me. My admin gave me a kid with schizophrenia, told me it would just be a couple days till he was moved to emotionally disturbed classification. It took three months to move him and the rest of my behavior intervention kids suffered terribly. Even the regular kids in gen ed today are HORRID. Not worth the stress and getting dumped on by admin. Now I do business consulting and accounting as an independent contractor. A little less pay, but zero stress and I can grow my business.
Floompy Bear Is this is a problem everywhere? While the admins in my school don’t give a shit, classrooms tend to be more controlled in 11th and 12th grades( freshmen be freshmen, softmore be sofrmore).
@@alonzogonzalez4272 this was elementary. Elementary and middle schoolers are worse than high schoolers, based on stats I've read. And yeah, it's everywhere.
If we can now earn a college degree over the Internet then why not a HS diploma? Take the worst districts and put them online so that teachers are no longer in physical danger.
Lol. Schools are utilized as babysitting and unions know this, which is when they go on strike they don't simply threaten to stop teaching lids for the day. There are already online schools for free at taxpayer expense. The problem is that parents WANT their kids to be someone else's problem. Once authority was taken away from teachers, politicians got involved, schools were paid by the warm body principal, and administrations were filled with people who couldn't hack it in a classroom, it was all destined to be a downward spiral. The questions is when the cost-benefit ratio becomes too high for any individual family that they choose other options. There's been "free" online school choice for a long time already.
Ramond Ferreal that is a good idea that will also help the high drop out rate and bulling some kids go thought.
They need to stop highschool and if after 9th grade kids should choose a vocational job or smart ones go to university
Some of the poorer kids dont own a computer or have access to the internet.
Queen Madhatter Setting a student up with a home laptop and wifi for a year would cost less than $3,000 a year. Right now the national average for sending a student to a public school is $10,000 yr. and up to $20,000 yr in larger cities.
Why would anyone in their right mind want to be a teacher? These kids are smart not to want to be teachers. At least you know their teachers are teaching them well because they don’t want to be teachers. 😂
Why would anyone want to have these bad children? Most people do not need to have children. Mabye parents aren't parenting. How about parents teach their own bad children and really discipline their children. A lot of parents are quick to put their children they decided to have off on others because they can't deal with their on children. Teachers do not get paid enough or have support from school administrators to do their jobs.
Ldy Ydi I’m a teacher too and I used to love/like it and be proud of it until the powers that be tried to demoralize and humiliate me and from what I can see try to get me to leave! A lot of districts play this game of trying to run veteran teachers off bc newer ones are well, newer! Less expensive, sometimes a third cheaper, more optimistic, younger, a different race, speak a certain language, and willing to do what ever admin/a district tells them to do, giving everything they have to the “profession” even if it means paying a heavy physical and emotional price. I’m way past doing that especially after the way I’ve been discarded and dismissed after sacrificing too much of myself to be made to feel this way in return. They want modern day servants. I’m still in the profession but with a totally different perspective. Never forget, we are all replaceable in a district’s eyes. No matter how important you think you are to a district, a principal, you’re not, because they could find someone else to do what you do and more. You don’t believe me, stick up for yourself and even for your students and you’re start seeing things much differently and so will they?
DON'T BECOME A TEACHER! Pays pennies and no support.
I think that teachers being underpaid is an outdated myth. In my district, even we substitutes are paid very well. They HAD to raise wages because they couldn't find qualified people.
Maybe if teachers were paid the salary they deserve, didn’t have to spend their own money on supplies, and didn’t have to take home their work to do off the clock, there’d be more incentive to be one. It’s ridiculous how little teachers are paid when we need them to help us grow and learn.
"...they deserve" isn't the answer. That value is different in everyone's mind. They need to be offered the compensation the market dictates. They clearly are not being offered this and are not applying.
There’s no amount of money to which one would subject themselves to violence on a daily basis.
Future gang members of America don’t make for good students.
www.nationalgangcenter.gov/Survey-Analysis/Demographics
Edit: at least the military gets hazard pay
Tom Jones then stop spending it on the damn stadiums and office renovations
the problem is the uninvolved parents not taking part in their kids education nor discipline. not to mention all the messy family drama at home, no daddys/husbands... that equals out of control kids and schools that dont care because the parents dont care... simple🤷🏽♀️
How much would be enough? Maybe 200k.
I'm a math teacher in California. Here, we had a pay freeze for 8 years on pay that is already low, due to regulation we've been forced to have expulsions and suspensions drastically reduced (resulting in a lot more discipline problems). Funding for intervention programs has been cut, funding for basic supplies has been cut, current equipment is outdated (especially computers), support from administration and parents is low/none, walking on eggshells around students is a must as touching them (even to break up fights), saying the wrong thing, or even looking at them wrong can get you in legal trouble and/or fired. In some cases, just an accusation is enough since admin always sides with students (because teenagers never lie, right?). The math textbooks would be better used as paper weights. The district and state standards don't align and are vastly different, some just don't even make sense (why does a middle school student need to know what about standard deviation!?). Oh, and whenever something goes wrong, it's the teachers' fault.
Sounds pointless and find another occupation. Everyone stop doing that. It will eventually work itself out
Obama's "restorative justice" was just the beginning. Democrats are now the party of anarchy. From the classroom to the homeless on the streets. Feces and needles everywhere. Nobody can do anything about it. They now drop criminal penalties for any property crime under $ 1000. What a shock that crime rates are going up. CA is a dead man walking.
Amen!
At least you have nice weather.
yaimavol omg dude! Read a dang book and stop listening to conservative drivel. America’s education problems go back decades and is not limited to one party!!!
I was a teacher for 22 years. Principals and superintendents do not support the teaching staff. Parents are unwilling or unable to discipline their children. When I started teaching in 1994, I had 2-3 disruptive students per class. In 2016, I had 10-12 per class. I spent more time on discipline than teaching. I love teaching but there’s too much chaos in most public school classrooms. It’s not about salary; it’s about the lack of respect for what we do. Example: During one Back-to-School Night event, a parent sat at my desk and touched every decorative item on and behind my desk. I can’t imagine that happening in the office of any other professional. Teachers do not matter.
hold parents responsible for student behavior in school
How when they taking real discipline out of the homes? Back in the day kids behaved in school because they knew they would get their ass handed to them out home. Too many outsiders are taking authority out of parents hands so no you can't fucking blame the parent. Blame the government and this new generation of oversensitive snowflakes.
@@x0xTHLover4Lifex0x As a child of the 90s, I agree. Hell, even I caught my Fair share of wood back in the day.
@@jillsalkin6212 i am 66years old when we acted up in school you would get the dreaded phone call to your parents if it was really bad they were called for a meeting at school i loved and respected my parents and got punished when needed but the worst thing was to see the disipointment they would have for you
@@x0xTHLover4Lifex0x the government is Child Protective Services which overempower kids and take power away from parents.
@@turabullschools2411 exactly
The school system is broken, that’s why...
Chris Russell So, are you saying that that broken homes are the reason that people don’t want to be teachers anymore?
@@Janeduh27 yeah because broken homes tend to produce poorly behaved children.
Jim Mechanikong so, our schooling is doing great....
@@Janeduh27 no it's doing poorly in many areas, due mostly to poor parenting, a lack of effective informal support systems, and a lack of accountability for disruptive behavior by students.
I came from a broken home, and never abuses a teacher. Maybe because the principal had a paddle and wasn't afraid to use it.
You want teachers back? You want to make sure theu care about their profession? Pay them, care about their work life balance and work on student behavior amd lift expectations. Stop lowering the bar and allowing students and parents to get away with the "customers always right" mentality
Truth!
Customers are always right is not a right slogan in the first place. This sucks.
It's ridiculous to track future teachers by how many students want to be teachers. Ask how many teachers want to be teachers! Almost 50% of teachers will not keep teaching after their first five years.
I am a substitute teacher but now I want to be a corrections officer. I started in 2001 and now I can't do it any more times have changed they have no respect.
Well, if you have been in the classroom, you will do fine on corrections. Probably even see some of those little darlings in the future.
Corrections? Well at least you'll have experience! Schools and jails today are pretty much the same!
@@akcalo right 😂😂😂
You’ll end up with your students behind bars, but at least they won’t be allowed to attack you!
Their mommies and daddy’s won’t be able to complain to the warden that “ it’s not fair”!
I'm shocked they're shocked!
The education system in this country must collapse completely before it can be rebuilt. Let it happen. Let it fall.
It's coming, I guarantee you.
And all administrators do is blame the teachers even though they treat their students like crap but they want perfection from the teachers. They question their ability when it comes to classroom management when they themselves have none. Education is total and utter hypocrisy. And administrators try to act like they’re doubting a teacher with 20 or 30 years of teaching experience and ask them what they’ve done to deal with very very disrespectful students when they know every other teacher in that school is having the same types of issues with those students but since they don’t like that teacher they disrespect him or her by questioning their ability. I’ve seen this tactic time and time again in order to railroad teachers out. It’s horrendous. School districts do not deserve good teachers some kids might but they don’t. I have two daughters and I tell them do anything but teach and both of them would be excellent teachers but I advise them against it because what I’ve seen and experience myself.
Exactly!!! And after they run the experienced teacher out they hop to the next teacher......it is an outrage and districts allow it to happen.....and then have the nerve to question where the teachers have gone....
This sums it up perfectly.
Yes! 👏👏👏👏👍
Yes! It’s happening all over this country. I’ve lived this and am taking a break from teaching. The blame from the admin was so draining when all I wanted was support and a little help.
Oh I forgot about the rising cost of college because you need a masters degree to be a teacher, ridiculous student loans from predatory colleges and a dept. Of education that is not honoring loan forgiveness programs.
Shhh! The Boomers might call you lazy and entitled for not working until you break...
Long hours, relatively poor pay for the level of qualifications required. Poor job security - high stress and in many schools, having to accept daily verbal and occasionally even physical abuse. Nuff said.
My sister took a teaching job in Chicago, the stories of what she went through before she quit we're frightening and byond appalling. She is not going back to teaching and never will again.
Perfect Weather Her first mistake was accepting the job in Chicago. What exactly did she expect? Small town would have been best.
@@Gabez82 She started her own company and is very successful.
It's multiple factors due to the shortage. I was going for teaching at Oakland University in MI then changed my mind after seeing the cost. Thank goodness.🤭
First a BA degree in teaching is expensive. Starting pay is very low.
There are more kids in crisis in the classrooms and "Room Clears" are getting more common.
I have 4 kids and I volunteer in my kids school and I am on the PTO, Chaperon field trips etc
Education is high stress, Low pay. I love my kids teachers and I'm so thankful for them. But I can tell that some of my kids teachers are stressed out.
Teacher's need to be lifted up, supported and paid fairly. In till that happens more teachers will be leaving the classrooms and less will be entering. Especially in the schools with the greatest need.
As a teacher myself, I completely understand why no one wants to teach anymore, I have been teaching since the early 2000’s and I have seen the decline in student behavior, as our superintendent once stated in a PD (professional development) students have all the power. In other words, the student can
curse out the teacher, throw chairs at us and physically assault us and we can’t retaliate. Also, school nowadays is just a social gathering, most (not all) haven no interest in learning! Parents are the next problem, this actually happened, a student was recommended for retention, the mother found out (keep in mind, the student was performing way below grade level) she came to school cursed out the the teacher and punched her in the face, this after the mother had not come to any conferences, did not respond to any phone calls or letters sent home (true story) she claimed she had not received any correspondence! I have many stories, but I’ll leave it here,! This will be my last year in the classroom! I’ve had enough! Good luck to new teachers,
I don’t even really feel like I get to teach. Most of my time is spent pouring over data, testing, filling out endless paperwork to justify my grades and satisfy administrators. Kids will be kids it’s the parents and district offices that need to figure it out
Why would anyone want to be a teacher today! Kids are allowed to do what ever they wants. Absent parents is a huge part of the problem. It used to be if a kid disrupted the class, he went to the principal's office, next time 3 day suspension. Next time 2 week suspension. Next time GET the hell out. The parents would have to find a school who would take their kid, sell their house and move. Adios!!!
they did a study that kids that get suspended alot drop out at higher rates...so they cap suspendtions to severe beahvior
I know people who wanted to become teachers and even went to college for it, but they are leaving the state or changing careers entirely because teaching jobs are just not worth it anymore. People don’t want to work more than full time teaching, just to have to buy their own school supplies and get second jobs at Safeway. Regardless of which job you are trying to fill, if no one is responding to your ads, then maybe the job you are offering people is simply not competitive enough in the job market. You can’t expect people to sacrifice everything for a crappy job that won’t sustain them simply because they love kids. If states truly respect teachers and the noble job they do, they would show that respect in pay and benefits as well as how they’re treated on the job.
A friend of mine in the Detroit area has a degree in teaching, but works as an assistant manager at a hardware store. While he does substitute teaching from time-to-time, he has zero desire to teach full-time because there just isn't enough incentive for him to make that switch.
If I could do this all over again, I definitely wouldn't be a teacher. You're paid less than a babysitter per student, have lots of unnecessary stress, too much disrespect by students and parents, and too many unnecessary meetings. That's just some of the main reasons that I can think of.
Sandra Martinez and dont forget disrespect from admin. my principal speaks to ppl in the most degrading and disrespectful way.
pink ivy we had a principal like that. She's at another school now. A colleague was going to accuse her of harassment.
Hey politicians, and pundits, here is an idea, stop bashing teachers.
Hey politicians, here’s another idea. Support teachers through lower classroom sizes, liveable wages, and cut most to all of the standardized testing so that teachers can teach critical thinking instead of too the test. Hey parents, here is an idea, stop making teachers in charge of raising your child and teach your child respect and compassion. Support your child’s teacher by having stricter discipline standards at home, and if the teacher calls to talk about your child’s disruptive behavior, support the teacher and discipline your child (and I don’t mean hit them).
@@sccrguy610 I agree completely, but "baby steps.," and my idea is free.
Hey liberals, here's an idea - discard your Cultural Marxist bullshit narrative that teachers are all "dominant oppressors" who "oppress" schoolchildren and that schoolchildren are all "oppressed victims" who are "oppressed" by teachers!
@@perfectsplit5515
Hey dipshit, here's an idea: stop watching that Nazi propaganda and vote for people who actually give a shit about teachers because Republicans are the ones who care more about sucking the gonads of billionaires than helping the teachers.
This is the government fault and there’s alone. Even here in the UK people do not eat to be teachers. You tell a student off and your liable to be sacked or sued. There’s no support for teachers
As a teacher in the US, I'm always interested in comparing notes internationally. I advocate for safe classrooms. My recurring question is; "Why is one child's right to an education more important than another child's right to safety?
@mb v in my view, there is no reason to waste public dollars on people who consciously reject the system and those who come to school with goals of unleashing violence and intimidation.
The transgender indoctrination in the UK is appalling. It's gone from supporting trans kids to actively pushing them to change gender.
@@yaimavol that is pure insanity from my perspective. Trans people are only a fraction of a percentage of the population, but some are forcing their worldview on the rest of us which is a form of oppression.
It's by design.
What do you expect? Teachers have super high levels of stress and then on top of that they are bullied by admin.😑
Bullied by Administrators - who are just sucking up to parents out of fear that the parents will complain to the media and play the victim and create negative publicity for the school. Incompetent irresponsible piece of shit parents who cannot raise their piece of shit kids right. That was why after I left my old school I called up the parent of my piece of shit former student and cussed her off over the phone, telling her exactly what I thought of her and her piece of shit daughter. She actually tried to get me charged with a crime with the municipal court, but I just made a counter complaint against her and her case completely fell apart.
out of control class rooms, no discipline, false pensions. the only thing they got is summers off
Or we have to take classes to keep up certification.
We have to take classes in the summer, and one of my teacher friends had to move her classroom every other year. It’s like moving to a new home. It takes all summer!
People think we have summers lol. No we have to attend school meetings weeks after school is out AND attend teachers professional meetings before school starts!
I've been teaching for 16 years. On top of everything other's have mentioned, this week I had to buy a computer for my classroom. It's old and refurbished because I can't afford a new one, but it will be much better than the Windows 7 dinosaur I'm currently using. Several teachers at my school have had to buy their own devices just to work efficiently. I also have to buy my own printer, copy paper and projector bulbs. I do not advise my family members to become teachers.
As a teacher, a few years ago they added going back to school -without tuition assistance- and multiple nearly $200 each tests with ETS...Perhaps if the outcome in salary matched the level of education people would not quit!
Professional testing is a racket. Ridiculous testing fees for teaching and especially nursing. You can spend over $ 1000 on tests for nursing license. Where is all that money going?
Either the people that put together that interview, or the people they are interviewing are pretending not to know what the issues are, and are pretending not to know what to do (maybe they ALL are dodging the issue).
If they cut the paperwork in half, if they removed the hostility toward men and boys (that includes the hostility in the material they teach the children every day), if they put more disciplinary tools in the hands of the teachers, so that actual consequences for disruptive, disrespectful and dangerous behavior were put right back into place, if they had fewer meetings that should have been emails, if they allowed teacher to teach skills for *life* , rather than skills for passing tests--then they would see a huge wave of people coming back into the teaching profession.
Since they don't want to do that--ADIOS!!!
This is why the government needs to piss off and pay the teachers a much better wage.
After my bachelor's degree in history, I had to go back for a master's degree in order to get a teaching license. It cost an extra $15000 on top of my undergrad degree. It's expensive to become a teacher and doesn't pay that well.
@Cheshire Cat not just required by colleges, the States also have requirements and regulations
Plus certification tests
No one should be an administrator unless they have taught in a classroom for at least ten years. Most administrators are failed teachers who were promoted out of the clasroom because they could not cut it as a teacher .Those who can teach , teach , those who cannot become administrators . Do you see the problem ?
Yes! Thank you for this pearl of wisdom and truth. 😘
Yes, and they should have to teach every few years so they still have a clue.
Make the the board members sub for a week!
Oh well. Humans can choose what career they want. As long as no one is forcing people to become teachers, there’s nothing you can do.
Is it so bad that ex-teachers who’ve endured years upon years of countless abuse from students and their employers want to move on and focus on their own life and future career choice?
Let me answer that unanimously: NO
perfectsplit
Umm, each to their own I guess.
I can't think of any reason to be a teacher in Detroit or Flint. The unions also promote poor performance as they don't care if students learn. Only half of the students that actually graduate in Detroit can read their diploma. The former leader of the Detroit school district was illiterate. Basically it's the unions and the leadership in the Democrat party that tarnished the teaching profession in Michigan, especially Detroit. Both of my kids became teachers from Michigan State. I told them the world can always use an excellent teacher, but they will be frustrated with the job as it's typically a low paying. You can make more money graduating from a Clown school. They did not listen to me, and both taught for a few years to only leave the profession for a much higher paying job. My daughter went from making 45K a year to 185K a year. Both of them told me I was right.
Teachers are taken for granted
I hope the shortage continues tbh they treat teachers like shit now days.
This will only be solved with massive law suits against students, parents and school districts for creating Hostile Working Environments. There is no other field of work where you are expected to put up with the abuse teachers suffer everyday. Try mouthing off to a professor in collage and see what happens. try mouthing off to a DMV worker and see what happens. Try insulting the checker at the super market and see what happens.
Geez Tough problem
I’m sure they tried everything
Job listings, job fairs, social media adds, and so on
But Have you tried
1. Competitive pay or pay for all the extra free work.
2. Reasonable work expectations
3. More support to not have to deal with extreme behavior problems.
No
Just spitballing
I know that’s not the issue, I’m sure.
I know many aspiring teachers are leaving within the first 3 years because currently it's a horrible, horrible job. The classrooms are toxic, there's violence, truancy, pressure to test, no discipline or respect and everyone seems lined up to blame the teachers for things out of their control.
We made it against the law for parents to discipline their children. Undisciplined children disrespect teachers. Teachers deserve respect.
You don't deserve respect you earn it. Teachers should be treated kindly and politely but that doesn't mean you are respected.
I am done with teaching k-12 full time. it has become too demanding. I’m retired and I teach part time GED classes and I substitute teach.2 days per week Twenty-five years was enough for me to teach special education.
Correction: No one WANTS to be teachers.
I am a second-year teacher and I’m throwing in the towel. I thought I would make a career change in the teaching and I’ve discovered I don’t have the tolerance nor the patience to put up with extremely disrespectful students. Then to make matters worse administrators put all this pressure back on the teachers to make it sound like it’s their fault that they’re not utilizing good classroom management. It is utterly not humanly possible to put in the long hours to come up with these extensively creative lesson plans to keep the slow students engaged because they lack social skills And coming up with unrealistic expectations of classroom management. I am Donna from teaching and I am not looking back it is no longer in noble profession and it is nothing more but a reflection of a decadent society caused by inept parents Who are either too afraid or incompetent to raise their children properly. Parents today try to become their sons or daughters friend instead of disciplining them for the future. My only hope is that the lack of education due to the lack of teachers become so catastrophic that Radical measures are made. I say let there be a shortage let these little disrespectful kids grow up to be ditch diggers for the rest of their lives. And I assure you from personal experience that the main reason why teachers are leaving this profession in droves is not money related
Truth
Make a law requiring parents to become their "Teachers" and expect from them what they expect from their kid's teachers. If they fail, jail them. It's good to make them taste their own medicine once in a while.
Our current society is producing small monsters, animals that came out of human parents, bred and reared to be abusive. 5 to 10 years from now schools will close down for lacking teachers.
Yes, put more people in jail for non violent crimes. America certianly loves to abuse their jail system.
But a student can be successful like me through learning by themselves honestly public school sucked. Meiko showed you my lifestyle
Teach your own kids! Homeschool.
Just walk into a classroom and watch how the children act. Enough said thanks to parents out there.
I was a teacher for 26 years. It was so awful. I told myself a lot of lies that it wasn't that bad, but now that I'm out I think back to how bad it really was. I was a well liked teacher and my class was well behaved without me having to yell. However, there were kids that were really difficult, every year. Parents can be really difficult and mean, even when I was nice to them and trying to help their child. Administrators were constantly making horrible decisions that made my job much more difficult. Also, the administrators always had their favorites that could do anything they wanted and they had those they didn't like and treated them horribly. Yes, there were many teachers that weren't very nice, or did a bad job, or were back stabbers. There were teachers who would do anything to get in the good graces of administration and were willing to make other teachers look bad to try to get brownie points from the administration. I know I sound really negative; I wasn't that way before teaching. I don't miss it at all.
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Politician: "Schools are terrible". Cuts funding for education. Politician: "See how bad they are, privatize them..." Pockets bribe/ political contribution from Private School Corporations.
Something is purposely being left out of the conversation.
kelbel who mentioned race?
kelbel
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@@kiowah231 It has everything to do with race.
My teachers most of them said they had another part time job
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I taught for 32 years and always worked one or two part time jobs to pay for food, things like soap and toothpaste, clothing (from thrift stores), etc. I also worked full time in retail and did tutoring during the summer. My teaching job paid the rent and about a third of medical costs. Thank God my health was fairly good or I’d have been living in my car in the back lot of the school.
@@mariekatherine5238 I know … it’s awful. Omg.
One of my college professors said I'd make a good teacher. Without thinking, I instinctively laughed at her. I felt bad about that, but no way in hell would I ever be a teacher at any pay.
No one knows what they want to be when they are a kid. Hell, even after you get a degree you are likely to change course. This is not a measure of who will teach in the future.
Excellent point.
I HAVE AN IDEA! You know, I know there are already some districts doing this, but how about anyone who teaches for five years will have their student loan debt completely forgiven. I know there are some schools where you have to work ten years or more to have it forgiven, but why not shorten it to five years? At that point, you’ll have those classrooms filled with teachers in no time, and it will be a revolving door every five years. This way, the districts will have a consistent flow of teachers willing to fill the position as well as stability for at least the next five years. Even with all of the negativity and risks that comes with being a teacher, I would be more than willing to give up five years of being a teacher in exchange for being debt free.
Only thing less popular than being a teacher is being a prison guard.
They are similar positions in many regards..
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I went to a Chicago Public School for elementary school. It was like a prison
I work in a hospital setting and none of the physicians I work with are telling their kids to stay away from health care
The amount of times I've had peers on tables throwing chairs at teachers and a bunch of other inappropriate actions I'm not surprised students wouldn't want to be. Who wants to go through that? As a fellow student I was ashamed to witness that, it was horrendous. Kids and teens are terrible and they are only getting worse
I worked as a substitute teacher for a few years and enjoyed it in general but it is low pay and I got to see all the problems in the school system so I got very turned off from wanting to be a teacher. If the state didnt force a curriculum that cared so much for a standardized test and the administrators and teachers had the freedom to be able to truly hold students and parents accountable (not to mention providing a competitive salary)...I'd reconsider. But no way can I see myself working in a public school again in any capacity for the foreseeable future. It's sad because it can truly be rewarding when you bond with certain kids and you can make a positive difference in their lives but in this profession in my honest opinion, the bad outweighs the good (...at least for me)
But education is a human right. I think that if there aren’t enough teachers, we should force people to teach those precious little angels.
Angles of satan
Force ppl....that will be world war 9....Lets start by forcing you!!!!
@Karen Aguilar He was joking. There is no one these days that would seriously make a comment like that.
Ok, let’s start by forcing you! Lol
My uncle who has taught for 30 years in michigan has told me from a young age to not teach in Michigan. He was very firm about that when I entertained the idea.
I've seen parents (who work hard labor jobs) criticize teachers because their work environment is indoors. That DOES NOT mean the job isn't hard. Literally had a restaurant worker tell my coworker and I that teachers are lazy. No mam, teachers are stressed out and underpaid. They sometimes have to deal with kids who lash out in class, only to have a single parent feel hopeless since they work 12hrs to support their family. It's a tough problem that sometimes have multiple/different answers. The pay raise would truly help these teachers though.
No one wants to be a murdered teacher I would guess.
I wanted to be teacher when i was young.now i would never esp with kids nowdays.i would rather be a truck driver it pays more and you dont have to deal with anyone
There is a teacher shortage across the country, little pay, little respect, long hours and extensive training to get there.
Even during the dotcom bust when I was slaving in a warehouse w/o ac vs my normal IT work, I still didn't consider the idea of a job teaching.
Be better to train parents in home schooling than hiring more teachers. My employers home schooled both of their kids in the office. Both kids were doing college level math by age thirteen and in college before they were old enough to drive. The success had a lot more to do with less stress and fewer distractions due to the aggressive kids/teachers we have all seen in public schools.
What teacher in their right mind would want to teach in an urban area! Maybe in rural areas it's safe but not inner cities. It becomes Animal Training and self defense... not education.
Salary and education requirements suck! And also administrative issues they always require too much of teachers. I can’t stress that enough.
Why are they shocked?
Why would anyone want to be a teacher in 2019. It changed in Australian about 10 yr ago and continues to decline year after year in standards both from students and now the sub-par teachers comming into the profession
when you don't pay enough for something NO ONE will do/work it
I worked as a paraprofessional in a public school in the '99-'00 school year. I knew then that there would be a teaching shortage at some point. Other people's children are hard to deal with. I don't think higher pay would make a difference in attracting recruiting and maintaining teaching staff.
Pay teachers a livable salary and you’ll get more teachers! Instead, this district said they’ll pay for two years of school (so long as you stay for five) rather than increasing budgets!
I lived in Michigan for a year. I went to school for communication but decided after graduating I wanted to teach. In Wisconsin, where I’m from originally, someone with a bachelors degree can get an emergency license and teach right away. Michigan makes it very complicated to teach because they don’t offer an emergency license. I would’ve had to go back to school for 3 years in order to teach in a school. They turned me away and many other people I knew.
Recently, I was offered a long term sub position that was paying $13 hourly and no insurance/benefits. Of course nobody wants that job! I am 26 and in need of insurance.
The reality is that a lot of people with teaching degrees don’t want to teach. The people like me with other degrees have the desire to teach but I wasn’t willing to go back to school for 3 years without having a job solidified. If they allowed people with degrees to earn their teaching certification while teaching, I’m sure the shortage wouldn’t be so severe.
I can make $15 an hour working in McDonalds! You clock in, work your eight hours slinging the fries, clock out and go home. No college fees or loans necessary! Wtf?
I agree, I couldn’t go teach even though I have 2 bachelors degrees & had 4 years of substituting. They want me to take the certification exams, PPR, and two others. This is insane!
I taught for 18 years. Students might be difficult. The elephant in the room? Not the race of the students. It's the venal backstabbing school administrators, most who left the classroom as fast as possible to become administrators. Want to know why teachers give up in exhaustion and frustration? Because they get no support from the system.
Before I was a teacher I was a: farm laborer, picture framer, auto mechanic, frame shop manager, museum educator, museum curator, classroom teacher. My dream is to have people who think teachers have it easy to be forced to work a year in a school. Their punishment for wanting to quit would be serving another year with no chance for parole. Short of death.
Virginia O'Flaherty I agree kids would probably learn better behavior and teachers would manage better if there was support from staff. From the way a lot of teachers in this comment put it- it sounds like their schools are from the twilight zone. My school kind of sucks, but it’s never been as bad as people say their schools are. Like- a kid hitting a teacher in my area is news worthy while these comments act like it’s a daily occurrence? That’s deeply concerning.
You can’t expect high quality teachers when pay is trash and the administration refusing to stand by them
2019....Who in their right mind wants to be a teacher? Good luck and God bless!
Would you teach kids that threaten you? People have kids and think schools raise your kids. The country should feed them and think libraries are day care. Why people have kids with no idea how they are going to afford them. Weather or not they know the dad enough. Weather or not the dad will be around. But still have kids. It’s discussing. It’s a human. But people don’t mind watching them starve. Blaming the world if they live in crummy places and have a kid and wondering why they can’t move. Don’t have kids if you want to move. Without education or means to feed and clothe. Have people not been told kids are expensive and hard to raise. It’s cruel and the world shouldn’t pay for people mistakes over and over. This is not gonna stop. I wouldn’t expect any teachers there at all. And blame the parents for not teaching there kids to respect people trying to help. I wanted kids but not sick enough to watch them starve.
Here’s a thought, try paying them more. Teacher is one of the most underpaid jobs, especially when you take account what they have to deal with and the responsibility
When i took the mttc test, the line was wrapped around the building. but it was a few years ago
It is not just compensation but having the freedom to teach without all the distractions. And then if handling the distractions to know the school has your back. And finally the respect from students and parents. without anything but compensation, that compensation had best be extremely high.