The Amish have Computers. And They're Weird.
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Did you know the Amish have special PCs - and other technologies - they're allowed to use?
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I hired an Amish company to fix/update my barn on a farm I used to own. I was surprised when he gave me his card with an email, but shocked when he sent me a full 3D rendered plan of my barn in CAD! They stayed on budget and finished early...best experience I've ever had with contractors!
Amish construction is top notch!
What's that saying? "It takes a town to raise a barn".. bit of a mashup but the thought is still there.
What software did they use?
@@AtroposLeshesis it says at 3:55 that CAD software is an additional $299 from one company. idk though obviously something that can run on linux though
They basically turned Christianity into a religion about work ethic, so they're naturally very good at construction. Unfortunately, the construction industry is a great breeding ground for another type of organization that tight knit, insular ethnic communities tend to also be vulnerable to.
They'll build it on time but you better pay on time too, if you don't want a visit from all their biggest cousins.
"You may not be able to play Doom on it" - NEVER tell Doom players they can't play it on something, they'll find a way 😂
I 100% appreciate this, but I'm also thinking that anyone who buys this computer and is interested in playing Doom of all things is gonna get 300 lashings
@@treescompany3462 But why? Isn't Doom about fighting demons on Mars? A thing that all followers of God should do?
@@DarrenC_1024 that's God's job. Leet Amish pray & meditate their demons away
yes .. no one of them will bring doom to their comunity
us touhou fans will play bad apple on it
Oh man cant wait for Linus to try the amish 30 day challenge
I'd actually love to see LMG check out one of these in a video. That sounds super neat.
would he even be able to get into his house lmao
This is going to be good.
Didn't he grow up on a farm? halfway there
@srijita_6_9 have you checked to see if the monitor is plugged in?
My grandfather hired Amish people to build the foundation of his home. His is the only one in the neighborhood that never leaked or broke down. While their lifestyle is different from the average person, they do have amazing workmanship!
@Lurch good. We can use them to build an amazing rocket and spaceport. Finally we can use their hands for the betterment of humanity. I better float this idea to Elon Musk.
Eh, you actually gotta be careful there. I live in PA which has a big Amish & Mennonite population & I've been a carpenter for over 20 yrs. I've seen the gambit from both of them. From some of the best attention to detail work, down to stuff I thought a fly by night contractor would do better. Some of them are amazing craftsmen, but there is a fair share who couldn't drive a nail straight too.
Are you referring to a wood shack as a house...like the majority of the Americans do...?
@@TheBigChill1 concrete cinderblock actually (the part that they built)
@@TheBigChill1 ok European
15-20 years ago my dad called to cancel his AOL account, but he kept getting bounced to a Customer Retainment Specialist to hard-sell him to keep his subscription. Eventually Dad said that he had a religious awakening and disavowed all modern technology. Without skipping a beat, the AOL rep asked if he would like website hosting so he could evangelize to all the heathens who were addicted to their "English" computers.
I don't know whether to be irritated at the disrespect to his wishes, or somewhat awed at the sheer persistance and multitude of options. Whoever was on that phone was a born seller, for better or worse.
Maybe your Dad should've said that he had a terminal illness and will die in a week. He wanted to get his affairs in order and make sure he closed all the accounts in his name before passing away. And I would have been interested in finding out how AOL managed to still sell something then.
@@litetakerso sorry to hear that sir, but surely you'll be wanting to make sure your family are taken care of with the best you can provide? Why not leave them the legacy of affordable, reliable internet?
My dad had to email the CEO to cancel his subscription. I remember he told me he found it somehow and decided to email it as Hail Mary. 😂😂😂
I do remember it took him a couple of years to be able to cancel it.
@@litetaker "Would you like to host a website with your best pictures, your will and a moderated commentary section in which your relatives can grieve their loss?"
"The Amish have computers... And they're using Linux!" Need to be on a t-shirt or coffee mug. Perfect gift for the Linux fan in your life.
I've seen a t-shirt that says "I love..." what the word for that place?
lmao, "The Amish are using Linux, what's your excuse?"
Shall I have a hut or park a van with a sign saying "Foreplay" before heading to 'that place'?
"Apple and simple to use? No thanks. We use Linux." - Your average Amish guy
This sounds like a beautiful conspiracy theory.
Funny thing is, the Amish in my area explicitly disallow those Word Processors because they’ve seen them be hacked. I’m working on an e-Reader based one for them.
Out of curiosity, what do you mean by that?
Cause as far as I know, an eReader is just a tablet with an ePaper-screen.
And I don't see how a tablet is somehow inherently unhackable compared to an airgapped computer.
@@cy-one By “hacked” we mean someone could easily unlock the computer and start doing stuff like playing movies on it or surfing the web unrestricted.
The advantage of an eReader display is even if you managed to completely install an unrestricted OS on the device AND got the eReader display working, you’d have an eReader display that is black and white that runs about 0.5 fps.
@@JayVal90 That (unlocking, surfing the web or playing videos) seems like it could easily be done with user restrictions and a strong password.
I mean, "surfing the web" also works on an eReader. And there are even webgames that don't need a high refresh rate (for example everything that's based on card games).
Also, I don't know any recent (~10 years) ePaper screen used in eReaders that's actually black and white and not grayscale.
But hey, don't want to discourage you. If you have fun tinkering with such things, mere practicality usually doesn't come first :D
@@cy-one Nah you need to understand the mindset. Having movies available to watch in full color fast-paced action is FAR WORSE to them than some kind of grayscale simple game. Also the screen I’m looking at needs to be programmed over an SPI interface, so the level of effort it would take to even get THAT to work is so far beyond reasonableness (just go get an LCD screen and plug into the HDMI port).
Honestly the strong password thing has been tried already, and it’s seen as a joke. A single factory reset, someone with a little know-how and a bootable USB, just some capability overlooked, devices going out of support after 3 or so years (they either become a brick or they are fully openable), etc are some of the myriad problems with those devices. It took me all of 3 minutes to circumvent the lockdown software on one of those devices and that was completely without any external software.
@@JayVal90 Why dont the Amish have a single server act as a mainframe, and give everybody glorified terminals to it?
Dumb Terminals would be perfect for religous purposes.
Zero media other than text, but gets the job done.
Amish worker: Using a spreadsheet to make plans for the winter.
Me, running my entire Steam library through Proton: "You and I are not so different".
lol
I effectively do the same thing just not on a real farm but in stardew Valley or factorio...
there's a real difference between doing work on a spreadsheet using Linux and just using Linux to do other things
Oh God, now the Amish are saying they use Arch
@@d9zirable 笑 笑 笑
These people may not have tv or internet but the families in my area have some seriously high tech farm operations. One group has organic chicken houses that require only one person to run. Egg gathering feeding watering and even cleaning is all done automatically. Ive been lucky enough to do some work in and around one of these farm and they game me a tour and I was really surprised at how much tech they were using
Reminds me of how I've seen friends and family build automated farms in Minecraft. It takes a lot of ingenuity but the results are breathtaking. Applying that to real life, and this is the future of agriculture. Farming today requires a great deal of know-how.
Sounds like hutterite.
Not gonna lie, I was expecting the video to cover all the microcontrollers used in their agricultural/industrial equipment.
Even their tractors probably have an ECU (if their modern enough).
They might not be known to be tech innovators but they definately are smart.
@NSER164 the Hutterites, Amish and Mennonites all developed out of the same Anabaptist movement in the 16th century, so they have a lot in common. (The Dunkards and River Brethren came from the Anabaptist movement too, but a century or two later.)
Turns out the Amish are the real Linux gigachads
I wonder what distro these devices use. Clearly it would be an LTS kernel but also I can't see them going for Arch (rolling release without internet?).
And the desktop environment? XFCE or Mate?
@@JeoshuaCollins if it's not TempleOS I will be disappointed
@@carlsouthern TempleOS isn't linux tho
@@JeoshuaCollins Perhaps WindowMaker or CDE. Seems to fit.
@@blendingsentinel4797 I was thinking maybe twm or even just a tui on top of Linux 2.6.
Honestly I gotta respect them for intentionally choosing which technologies to accept into their communities. Can't comment on how well that's working for them but it's a very compelling idea.
It's better then the ( religious ) nutjobs who claim Science is not true ( flat earth, young earth, anti-vaxxers, etc ). If it isn't, then how are you telling us on something that science gave us.
@Sam Wallace I wouldn't say an average of 5 kids per family is good. In our modern world, that would be unsustainable. The only reason why it works for Amish is because they live a very rural, off the grid, agricultural based lifestyle.
@@DaDARKPass I mean it's not like we're any better off. It turns out that NOT having five kids causes the social security program to slowly die due to lack of working age adults to support the elderly.
@@pylonmountain9239 That's where you're kinda wrong. Sure, having no kids will cause what you described, but you don't need 5 kids per family to stop that. 2-3 kids per household will be enough.
Yeah, accepting most of modern tech does come with consequences we rarely talk about. It's good to be mindful of what you adopt.
I actually come from an Amish family. While my whole extended family is no longer Amish we still maintain a lot of the values. I was a farmer growing up and now I'm a programmer. We talk about technology at a philosophical level a lot in my family. My aunt and uncle could be considered "progressive Christians" who don't just agree with progressive tenants but fight for them. They're activists. In my immediate family most of us are scientists or engineers working in the public sector. Amish people generally are very smart in their work ethic and use of technology. It's important to understand the mindset doesn't go away even when Amish people leave. It's understanding this mindset that I think is way more important to getting to know Amish.
Very interesting honestly, Amish don't as I said above seem to add to the world's problems. And live their lives as they see fit, use technology in beneficial ways. I have to admire them, while I love technology and the potential it has to make human life better. Which is honestly what we should all want for each right, seeing people struggle is not progression well in my eyes anyway. But I also see the downsides of technology, causing laziness and a reliance on that technology. You see someone find the escalator is not working, and see them panic or someone's phone, computer not working. There are upsides and downsides to everything I suppose, but being more careful in what you adopt I can't blame the Amish. When the AI and terminators take us over, your going to tell us you told us so lol. It is a joke, but thanks for your insights super interesting.
I would imagine that a big concern of there is that they don't become really dependent on the technology, and that they don't get sucked into doing more and more with it, just because they can and it's there. I greatly admire their way of life and the discipline required to think of the far future.
@@gblargg It's less about being dependent on the technology itself and more about being dependent on the wider world for it. The Amish use electricity when they can generate themselves and it's for a useful purpose not just a convenience. If the Amish made their own computers that would be less of an issue but because most people want computers for the Internet that directly conflicts with Amish values. Amish people want to be private for the same reason.
Well there could be made a joke about that this is no surprise since they came from corners around Germany, originally. So born engineers and scientists 😂
Did you leave after Rumspringa? I am friends with a (former) Amish guy who's talked to me alot about this. I've always been interested in their lifestyle. If you ever get to see the band The Amish Outlaws (4 of the 5 of them were/are legit Amish), tell Brother Ezekiel that Joey Image sent you!
I would love to see LTT do a close look at one of these devices. I feel like you are one of the few creative teams on this platform who could approach this aspect of their culture with the respect it deserves.
Where I live the Amish and Mennonites use Ebikes, solar electricity, electric washers and dryers at laundromats, and some of them use the latest Android phones and iPhones. It's wild lol.
Yeah, battery operated lamps on the carriages.
Well they kind of work for it, I guess?
Those kind of Amish gonna get zapped by Zeus for their Sin of using electronics
Modern Armish
Some call them Mamish
You guys have to get hold of one of these to show it off to the world.
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if they get access to the PCBE magazine mentioned, it really is quite simple to get ahold of them. Or I have connections and will purchase them to send to you 😉
@@rayweaver2069yeah we all can use google too
in 2010 or so I was driving on a two lane highway and hit a deer going 50mph or so. No cell service and the car was totalled. I had to walk down the road to the nerest house to use the phone. In the yard was a high sign advertising Amish fireplaces and sheds. I strolled down the driveway and walked up to the door... to my surprise they had lights/electricity. When I got up to the door it was the the sort of door with an encased window so I could see right in (no blinds or anything). To my surprise there was a large 55+ inch projection/DLP tv which was tuned in on some... Adult material. SUPER AWKWARD! I still knocked and the dude frantically turned it off and came to the door ( I stepped back a bit as to not see what exactly he was doing ). I explained what happened and he showed me to the phone. Made my call and thanked him... he then wanted to shake my hand hahahaha I didn't though for obvious reasons. Hope he didn't think I was rude... but yeah... I know what you were doing Amash guy. lol
Probably was his cat responsibility 😃
Most likely sullied with the taint of an electronic device. Some type of remote controller.
the guy selling amish made stuff is not necessarily amish.
@@imnotyourfriendbuddy1883 Yeah. The fact that he owned a 55 inch tv leads me to believe he was not
Nice fanfic bro
“Been spending most our lives living in a Amish paradise”
For those who love the simple life, it is paradise lol
I churn butter once or twice, living in an Amish Paradise!
Fun little known Fact about the Amish
My father in law sells furniture to them and he discovered that they have a closet where they keep things they're not technically supposed to have. Items like mirrors, phones, and televisions.
It's more like, the "necessary items closet", but things you don't need every day
Out of sight, out of mind. Better in the closet than tempting everyone constantly.
Phones and televisions/radios (For emergency communication) I can understand...But mirrors? I would've thought those were considered a necessity whenever getting ready for Church?
So... In essence, hypocrites
@gblargg They could just not buy these things?
I worked for Verizon and sold plenty of phones to the Amish folk. They ALWAYS chose the same basic Samsung flip phone that had the easy to read big number buttons. The profit margins on those things was sic though so I banked plenty of commission off of those often beautiful Amish ladies.
Can confirm, I live in central PA and this is very common. In my area some of them use smartphones for business.
I wonder if like the ultra orthodox here in Israel I don’t know about the United States. They’re like their kosher phones i.e. they don’t do SMS. They don’t do a lot of things. Let’s leave it at that. They just simple phones for making phone calls do the Internet, but it’s limited to things like I had one of these phones because my husband is a bit of a nut at the time, and he didn’t wanna be distracted and it was cheap. The Internet was limited to basically emails which you could do, but it was a black-and-white screen and not very fancy which may explain why when the country was going to more you know not analog phones if you get my meaning mean we’re ready at 4G all those under three I mean we’re at 5G sorry we’re at 5G anything under 3G Was slowly being closed off a lot of the heating got very angry because they still wanted their kosher phones so they came up with a compromise a lot of crap that you see and I say crap for a reason I will not go into details what I mean but a lot of the extras if you wanna call it that better Cell phones you do not find on a kosher phone like I said it’s very interesting. They still have an ability to do emails, but certain things have been either curtail or or not on it at all. I’m wondering how this compares to that there is some who will not have a computer in the house at all my mother used to call them the Amish, the Jewish Amish.
Honestly, it sounds like a pretty good idea to be mindful about what new technologies you integrate into your life, and how.
And now you've got Weird Al stuck in my head. Thanks...
Then let me bounce you back if you've gotten rid of it by now ('cause I'm a million times as humble as thou art!) 😁
I will read that with no sarcasm because that can only be a good thing.
Yeah, I’ve always thought they shunned fancy things like electricity. You know, like there’s no phone, no lights, no motorcar, not a single luxury, like Robinson Crusoe, it’s as primitive as can be.
@@ekauq2000 WE BEEN SPENDING MOST OUR LIVES LIVIN IN THE AMISH PARADICE
I was today years old when I realized that "Weird Al" in a sans-serif font can be misread as "weird artificial intelligence."
As a Mennonite actually, and someone who has lived near, and worked with Amish, I find this video quite interesting actually. It is by far one of the most accurate videos I've seen about the Amish, especially considering it's from a group of Canadian writers. One thing I liked is that you did outline that it can change per area and that is definitely true. Amish can be very different depending where you are and a lot of the finer detail rules, especially concerning technology, are up to the individual communities. And it definitely is true that a loop-hole exists for pretty much everything if it's in the name of business lol
Yeah, very true... I live in a very heavily Amish and Mennonite community - and all the nuance between the various little groups is pretty crazy to keep up. One Amish bishop even allows tractors to be driven - and those "livestock" wagons they all pull... yeah, they aren't full of animals...
One of the most high tech dairy set ups I ever saw was at an Amish farm - the house wasn't powered or telephone connected, but the barn sure was... they were all about using technology for work, but not for play. And good on them.
A Mennonite and an Amish living together? Theres gonna be a rumble! lol
I'm now picturing a movie where part of the plot involves needing an air gapped computer, so they go to a nearby Amish computer store.
The only plothole is that RAM can be abused to generate a WiFi signal. Fortunately, it can be solved by locking down what can be run. Unfortunately, that might violate certain licenses.
@@DrewTNaylor "RAM can be abused to generate a WiFi signal" - huh what?
@@adtcWiFi is basically a radio signal and radio is sound waves. By running the right program the ram chips can vibrate at 2.4Ghz and connect.
You can only do it a couple times though, it’s about like drag racing an old Pinto.
@@matthew8153 okay am I crazy or are you super wrong? Radio is on the electromagnetic spectrum and NOT a sound wave.
@@aarronconleche8468
Those are the same thing, as is visible light. Your eyes interpret certain ranges of presidency, your ears others. Radios use a frequency range humans cannot.
I also want cool custom tech with less features, specifically without any kind of tracking, telemetry, analytics or however you want to call it.
I’d like an unnetworked computer for record keeping and finances. Preferably with an external backup drive connected by a fiber line (to protect from lightning strikes) to another building.
@@matthew8153 Yeah, but you can actually do that.
Keeping functionality, without being tracked every step you do, is freaking unheard of these days.
And with no distractions and freakin' notifications. Sign me up.
Guys, it's not that hard. Just use Linux.
@@Deses That's quite delussional, you should look at the interview where they asks Linus Torvalds if Linux had a backdoor.
I feel like they would greatly benefit from the next one having an e-ink display, solar on the back of the screen, with a swappable battery or a battery chemistry that favors longevity over power density (brass-iron comes to mind), rigidized construction and passive cooling (not like they actually need or even want too much computing power anyway). They honestly might never even need external power to recharge it if it is built well.
seems like raspberry pi would fit them well.
@@advanceringnewholder Oh no you can install more software!!!
@@roundabout-hostI mean that's an OS limitation not a hardware one. Fedora Silverblue and, notably, SteamOS are built off **immutable file systems** that prevents any modifications to the system outside of userspace.
With the Pi, the concern would be that one could easily swap out the microSD, but if the Amish Raspberry was built off the CM4, the OS could be loaded onto the eMMC.
@@GSBarlev epoxy my dude no sd card swaps then
The hand crank on the OLPC XO comes to mind.
I heard they haven't even paid their phone bill in 300 years.
They're just technologically impaired
Like Robinson Crusoe there is primitive as can be
@Saloni 💖 nobody cares
@@Zach.O just report it for spam
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"You might not be able to run DOOM on it". I feel like this is a challenge for Anthony to take on. Lets go LMG, make it happen!
Yeah!
I wonder How it lockdown, Unless It feasibly moded (the removal of USB ports, and un used hard drive ports, on the motherboard,? that the only way I can see it being done? un less it the honour system, with trust, and that sort of stuff, but if that was the case, then any PC would do the job then?
@@dh2032 It's highly doubtful it's locked down very well.
Im from Lancaster and I’m surprised how much you got right. I miss driving for the Amish they paid really well!
Yes, indeed. This video got more right than many "all about the Amish" videos and websites do. Number one thing gotten right was to say that different groups choose different rules to live by (their "Ordnung"). Many people without knowlege of Amish and Old Order Mennonites naively suppose that all Amish must live by the same rules, and it just ain't so!
Amish joke: If 9/10ths of the world was Amish, what would the other 10% be?
Answer: Van Drivers!
This was actually a really interesting video. Bit of humour without stooping to mockery.
I grew up in a mennonite community till I was 8
We had a TV (Cause Dad bought a motorcycle and crashed it while drunk almost immediately, so mom demanded a toy of her own) and later, a NES.
I used to volunteer down at the local Mennonite church.
They had the best Wifi, actually.
I didn't expect to learn so much about how the Amish approach technology today... or that I would find myself agreeing with them on some level.
Lots of Amish sects have a handful of cellphones, computers, a saw mill, etc. Just a couple things. They are owned by the community and shared.
I toured an amish food production facility in 2013 in Ohio. "Walnut Creek" foods.
The people working in the facility wore Nike shoes along with their traditional Amish attire. They were using modern conveyor belts. They were manually opening #10 cans of Sysco sliced peaches and putting them into their own large glass mason jars, using a computer to print high-quality brand labels, slapping their label on the jar, marking it up sever hundred percent, and calling it a day.
However, they did have an exceptionally tight-knit community, with most members of the community coming to the tows singular restraunt and eating together as a community.
It reminded me more of a Disney experience than it did a genuine "Amish" experience, but every since then, the illusion has been somewhat broken for me.
Sadly, none of this disingenuine behavior comes as a surprise to me.
New order Amish (what you experienced) IS totally different than the "real deal" old order Amish who legitimately shun most modern technology. You basically did get the Disney experience but the real thing is definitely out there.
@@Cooe. The "New Order" isn't any less strange to me as te "Old Order" is.
At least the old order makes some sense on a fundamental level. "If you can't build it with your own hands, then it shouldn't be built".
Not a philosophy I agree with, but I can understand it.
The "New order" seems to be more about centralizing power around a figure-head who decides when and where you're allowed to use technology. That sounds far more like a cult to me than it does a philosophy.
But, hey, as long as both remain non-violent and don't cause problems, I'm okay with 'em.
Let them have their "Magic Kingdon" of cow s***, horse stables, and buggys.
I live in PA, we have a lot of Amish here, and I have never seen any of them using any electrical technology whatsoever. Not even light bulbs. And yes, I've been in their communities many times for produce.
Their buggies use electric signal lights, otherwise they wouldn't be road legal.
@4:54
The utter dedication to slip in a mere 2 to 3 second joke.
Whether time was taken to have the subject pose (or maybe it was already a previously taken photo) and then having to record the printout, or whether it was rendered in a 3D animation software program...
I am waiting for “Unboxing a NEW 5 years old PC” on LTT
I liked how it worked in the movie The Village . Most town's folk had their life simple way of life but one or two members of the village stayed up to date with the outside world.
I'm a big fan of that movie. The plot twists were unexpected the first time I watched it.
So what if computers have internet and games? They don't have to use features they don't want to use, no one's forcing them to. What are they, teenagers with their consoles confiscated by mom? The problem isn't technology, it's their self control.
I work for a company that manufactures automated assembly lines for various products that I won't get into detail here but it was surprising to learn that one of our biggest customers is an Amish company and that apparently there are Amish communities that are completely okay with using electronics, computers, and even the internet but they're only allowed to use it solely for work. When they clock out for the day it's back to being regular Amish. It's odd to think about when I'm in a Teams meeting with the employees of the Amish company or sometimes they visit the warehouse for some of their more highly customized assembly lines for verification.
Kinda sounds great!
Similar. I had posted in a previous comment, I've been to Amish shops in Lancaster PA where the Amish use iPhones. I questioned it once and he said "It's for business only. It stays here when the shop closes."
One of my favorite quotes paraphrased: "In the 90's/00's we used the internet and computers to escape from reality. Today we use reality to escape from computers and the internet."
Not only are computers modified, but in certain groups, the disabled have to use hard rubber tires rather than pneumatic ones with their wheelchairs, and some have even been granted permission to own powerchairs according to their personal situation; depending on their group bishops of course, which is crazy, because some are very resistant and/or uncompassionate to their parishioner's need. Some are granted certain amenities according to their need and or a a personal request for appeal. I've known a few that needed special considerations and were granted such.
Most handicapped family members are kept at home and out of the sight of us English/commoners. That's why we rarely if ever see them.
The Mennonites are different on many levels. They can, if they choose, have a variety of modern tech since they are basically a crossover from Amish to the English (us regular folks). They drive cars, dress like the English, use the internet, wear watches, earrings; basically they're worldly Amish.
I live in the middle of Amish country. Truth is they have plenty of ways around “the rules” set by the church/ community. Some use these computers, others have a full blown state of the art business. So long as the house is tech free. Also, steel wheel tractors and equipment. 😂
Using Fax instead of Email is the standard here in Germany. Wasn't aware that it requires explicit effort to implement that...😎
Germany 🇩🇪 here. I guess we are the Amish of the world 💪😅
@@ArniesTech wait... what's Japan then... They stick to the fax machine like that tougue on a metal teen...
Still? Here in NL I haven't seen a fax in decades. Though apparently they are still being used sometimes in health care.
2022 japan, the last samurais of floppy disks
" One of eight local banks the city administration does business with insists that payment instructions be handed over physically, on floppy disks. " ""Floppy disk production ended 10 years ago, and we've urged that bank to go online," a spokeswoman for the city's accounting department told CBS News. Even some of the banks that have gone digital, she said, still expect all transactions to be confirmed by fax.
Hamada was among nine towns in Shimane Prefecture still using floppies. All told, more than half of the localities in Shimane and in neighboring Tottori, both west of Tokyo, still use floppy disks.
Kono said a review found close to 2,000 government procedures still require business-related applications to be submitted on floppy disks or other physical media. Among other things, Japan's foot-dragging in the digital shift is hindering adoption of a national digital ID system, and degrading workplace efficiency."
I used to repair ultrasounds. I had to go to an Amish midwife's house to repair an ultrasound once. She used it from her basement. I ended up getting her a used ultrasound that was newer and better than the old (from the 80s) ultrasound she wanted fixed. So, they definitely use modern medical equipment. Lol
I won't lie this is legitimately fascinating, I mean I kinda knew some of this but I still feel like I did actually learn something today.
It's like those videos about prison electronics where they use clear plastic (TVs, boomboxes, etc.). An alternate world of the same kinds of products we have, but slightly different.
technology use like this is a lot more common in Mennonite Communities. The Amish I grew up around only allow electricity for medical emergencies.
I live in Amish country. Like, very amish. Its not uncommon to hear Pennsylvania Dutch randomly in home depot or Wal-Mart.
I never knew this.
The way the world and tech are going the Amish seem to have been correct all along.
YLol Let me just clean the egg off my face but yeah I agree 😂
I think there really are plenty of people who, in light of recent events are seriously considering saying "fuck it. If I'm gonna slave 16 hours a day, working 3 jobs, I might as well ditch everything making me miserable and start a farm"
@@Klaevin I've honestly thought about that and aside from videogames, it sounds more compelling every year
@@Klaevin Stardew Valley irl
Joining a weird cult isn't a solution to what is a systemic problem.
Genuinely pretty interesting to see stuff like this. I can't say I don't appreciate that these computers have to, at least to some degree, actually compete based on durability and longevity. It's nice to think about compared to the planned obsolescence of something like a chromebook.
Awesome... Some of those specs are not bad. Perhaps I should do tech support for the Amish. If they only use a few select models of PC they would be easier to maintain.
Easiest tech support one could ever do
Have you faxed your support ticket sir?
@@zyeborm Have you tried stopping and restarting the diesel generator?
@@RolandHutchinson I did try rebooting it. With my boot. That seems to have fixed it.
Actually I like the way of thinking that you only implement technology if it's really needed and additionally not destructive. Technology is definitely advancing faster then humans can comprehend it and use it responsible.
Yeah they may be onto something fr
A completely utilitarian outlook on technology is reall nice.
Social media is genuinely on some satanic shit half the time.
0:55 Yo! The word processor was an actual physical thing and not just a software from the start??? Makes sense!
Bro, a 'computer' was originally a person doing computing - processing numbers - using analog means. The name was adapted for devices doing the same thing later on.
My dad had one of those word processors. I was fascinated by it as a kid.
When I was younger I lived rather near an amish community and frequently saw TV ads for transforming furniture intended to hide or disguise anything technological in the house on a moment's notice. Didn't understand the point back then, or what the amish were
That's incredibly overcomplicated for just wanting to avoid distractions. I mean, you have emails, but at the same time, your emails are made to not work with the computers, and only a printer.
As somebody who lives in Amish country, it really depends on the order some orders have businesses that have computers, but they hire English to actually operate the computers as secretaries. This is common with the Schwarzentroopers and a lot of log mills
I used to live in ahmish country, and when I'd buy a cart of groceries, the guy with that beard and hat would ask me to add up my own groceries with his lil solar calculator... fun times!
2:30 _"…or a mouse…"_
Sorry, I can't stop laughing!
Darn, the Amish word processor got more powerful specs than my PC! 😭
Yeah, who needs 8GB of ram just to run LibreOffice?
That's really interesting and it makes a lot of sense, given their particular beliefs and needs. It is essentially similar to business packages, they only want what they need. Be interesting if you guys can get your hands on one, so we can see it. I don't honestly mind the Amish, they just live their lives as they see fit. I know they give their young people choice, to live amongst technology or go back and live within that community. They do no harm, and don't make the world worse. In fact you tend to forget they exist, as they ever have any drama...Well not that we know of. So fair play to them, it's pretty cool honestly.
“I’ll just get your moms photo from mail” never gets old
Seems like those Amish Bishops would have to become quite familiar with what's available in order to decide what they don't want included.
My great grandfather was Amish so maybe that’s why I use linux
I've seen Amish kinder playing on hoverboards.
They HARVEST their electricity.
From the outlet behind the ice machine at the dollar general
I've actually done some tech support for a Mennonite family that had a feed company. they used windows computers that could run on feed batchers, and used libreoffice for any office-type stuff they needed. I had to make a small network for the two machines to comunicate and I even set up digital fax for them. It was interesting to say the least. Still not sure what their reasoning is on the way they adopt tech.
My buddy Jerry works with the Amish running their website. It's really weird to read it because it's all third person, because it's not really "their website". You basically have to put all your orders in like a month in advance so at the end of the month he goes through and processes it all, print out the orders, and then has to drive all the way out to the boonies to deliver the order manifest.
This was a really well written script. Well done on how you approached the topic!
The computers also can run off dc batteries from your DeWalt tool set. The issue isn't the technology, it's being tied into the grid. Early adapters of solar, they have 24 VDC freezers, pumps, house lighting, washing machines, blenders, you name it. Funny, it seems they are more productive without RUclips and social media.
I had a black bumper boss who had his work computer situated so there was a window to the shop behind him, so anyone passing by could see he wasn't up to mischief.
Wild that the latest Plain-compliant computer has a faster CPU than me lol. Good on them tho! To be fair, they’re not restricted by LGA1151 and Intel prices :,)
Those physical word processors, and electronic typewriters, both are still made to this day.
y'all should buy a classic to review, and then try to get it to run doom
As someone who has lived near multiple communities of plain people in my life, I'm glad the term has caught on with media.
It's easier for most people to understand, and it's something those communities feel comfortable calling themselves.
(FTR, I'm a nonbeliever myself.)
I would have been really disappointed if they were not using Linux. It makes total sense.
More important question, do they rely on POTS? Or they already setup their fax machines with ATAs replying on SIP providers that support fax (aka FoIP). Cause providers everywhere are currently in the process of eliminating what little of POTS remains, so they'd be hooped in short order.
i love my amish customers. it makes me smile when i see them use a flip phone.
Maybe normal boomer 😅
It does occur that if you've got any kind of spreadsheet software that supports formulas - then you have the means to make rudimentary games. At which point it's just a matter of time.
Dig-Dug here we come!!
Imagine asking an Amish what OS do they use as a joke and getting Arch btw as a response 😂
There is a lot of surprises and strange thinking in some of these communities they don't connect to outside grids for individual homes but shared phone's and business connections they get the community to ok
I'd like to find one of these. I noticed the available CAD software for one system featured in the video. That would be incredibly handy for designing barns and such, especially when they need help from the "English" for things like building code compliance. Blueprints are worth their weight in gold.
I wish all the touch screens, and electronic limiters and “assists” would disappear, that the gas’s and brakes and steering wheel where mechanically linked the engine and wheels. I think the only circuits a a car needs are the lights, the radio/ cd player, and the heater/ air co
"Honey, why did we receive a print out email for something called "Hentai Heaven 10 year membership"?
they also use PCs to run CNC equipment in their woodshops. they shop for them at the IWF in Atlanta. Most machines power comes from basic steam/water power.
I'd love to live without an ECU/ECM and OBD equipped vehicle. I miss the days when timing, idle speed and combustion mixture were controlled by screws, chains and wires. I can't even change my own battery without ripping out the air system and taking it to a garage or dealer to reset all of the engine parameters after the swap.
(Trick for this. If you have a second vehicle or a trickle charger, jumping to the battery leads while you have the battery out should be enough to save your settings. This is particularly easy if your vehicle was designed with secondary lugs for running equipment like air pumps and power inverters.
A customer company of the company i work at is run by the amish. Its a very profitable company (the amish one), recently it was sold for 3 billion.
Two years ago, I was in Amish country as I was helping a friend turn planks into flooring. We used an Amish company that had very up-to-date modern electric machinery. However, everything was powered by a generator (no grid connection). The owner/operator did have some sort of a cell phone, and there was also what appeared to be a landline in the shop's office. There was also a computer that looked generic on a desk.
The houses in the area all had fairly large solar arrays, and there were curious little booths on the edge of some properties right next to the intersection point between the driveway and the road. It turns out that these were for telephones.
The owner had a car, but he hired someone to drive it. His business was booming, and he told me that his wife owned a successful restaurant;/catering business. All in all, they were doing quite well; they had all the conveniences without the distractions.
I also asked about health insurance. They didn't have any, but the community would pay for any necessary hospital visits. There was no shunning of modern medicine. The owner was obviously bright and hard-working. However, his education was very limited, especially around science topics. This was during COVID, and despite its toll, he couldn't conceptualize the whole idea of a virus and relied on what his elders had told him.
All in all, a fascinating culture with some cons but also some pros. At least based on my "English" understanding.
Riding Amtrak I noticed an older Amish guy with a cellphone. Kinda blew my mind. Also he was rudely loud as it was after lights out. 🤦🏻♀️
The amish using linux is a rare W for them
no, it's an L. L standing for Linux, and L also standing for Loss. Even though Windows has "distractions" a cut down copy is possible.
@@RealEpikCartfrenYT It only partialy is, I doubt most amish people want/need a web browser, which can't be removed on windows, and there's a lot of unremovable software.
@@mathman0569 me who force uninstalled edge and internet explorer from my windows 10 installation
@@RealEpikCartfrenYT Sure, it can be. But there's not much point given they have fixed hardware, no need for multimedia or games, and no need to install new software.
Why pay for what you don't need?
Rare? The Amish are pretty based. The only L on their record is that their theology is way off. If it weren't for the major theology issues then I, as a pretty techy guy, would abandon computers/etc in a heartbeat to live a lifestyle like that.
Where are used to live, the Amish coops had run their own fiber optic. That was in 2012 2013, one of my coworkers was able to get access for a very reasonable price, but I'm sure he had to agree to some purpose and use guidelines.
How interesting! Thanks for sharing this!
My mom was at a convention last weekend for my stepdad (he's in an MLM, I know) and there were Amish people at the conference! Like they do the MLM! My mom sent me a picture of some of the Amish people accepting an award at the conference, she thought it was so bizarre lol
ARMish architecture
0:08 thought he said the amish and meta knights for a second…
This is the most fascinating video I've seen in quite a while! I really didn't see Linux coming lmao
The general rule of thumb is that any technology that could weaken their close local community bond is disallowed.
No cars to take you too far from town, no Internet to make friends online etc
Yes but they install and maintain Arch Linux by hand 💪
Funny thing to see advertisement of a computer saying: "no games, no video, no sound"
5:08 quickteckie
I once watched documentary about them. pretty interesting. One community wasnt allowed to own, but still could use any technology. As a loop hole, they made a deal with people outside their community for them to buy and own specific things (it was about agricultural harvesters and tractors) and they could use them. as a loop hole. they technically didnt own them, and everything was kept out of their area, but they still used them. I remember one young amish dude was fixing tractor and he knew how everything works and claimed that he was fascinated by it, but never will own one himself.
Obviously there are plenty of hardcore communities, but some progressive ones are chill af if you respect them.
It depends on the communities. You have the new order Amish who are open to technology in most cases. Then you have the old order Amish and swartzentruber Amish who are no technology this that because it’s too “worldly”. Again it varies from communities
It is said in the video
Also time changes as well.
@@killertruth186 "you have the watch, we have the time."
The sound at 2:50-ish of the bars closing was really crazy with my headphones!