FiiO Makes A Open Back Headphones!? FiiO FT3 Review
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- Опубликовано: 4 июн 2023
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Just want to say thanks for the review. I bought these after watching your video about companies that are doing things right and reading some promising early reviews (came back and used your link- hopefully you get a little piece of that). I think some people are taking your preference of the Sundara to these to indicate that they aren't really worth the money at $300, which I think is not what you were trying to say. They sound great, are suitably technically proficient compared to their competition, and include a compelling set of accessories and build quality. Hard for a company like Fiio to break into the scene against companies like Sennheiser and Hifiman, but FT3 absolutely deserves to be in the discussion at the $200-$400 price range.
Joshua can you suggest an alternative standard to Harman Kardon? I would like to test my headphones with a tuning closer to the one you like. Thanks!
Great review, Thanks!👍🏻
I hope you'll get the Hifiman Audivina and Audeze MM-500 for review soon.
Great review and I love your b roll and audio quality! What mic do you use? Thanks for what you do the quality of your videos is something I aspire to.
after i compare FT3 with some flagship expensive iem at store. I preorder FT3 immediately.
This headphone brings a ton of fun . For me , the perfect match is iFi iCAN Pro Signature, with XBass at 10Hz and 3D at 30/+. I think that the size of the driver is ,,responsible" for not distorting at all, and the result is soooo beautiful to listen . My opinion is that it has a holographic-ish presentation, but not so accentuated . Anyway , just for fun , I would take this one anytime over a Sundara or an HD650, or even over a Meze 109 Pro. The only problem I find is with orchestral music, but no headphone is perfect ...
Over a 109 Ey? I was torn on either this and a penon 10th anniversary or the 109 pro. I chose the former, I think I chose correctly, I’m very excited to get that iem and try the fiio.
@@Hijynx87I think you chose wisely.
What is the problem with orchestral? Too small soundstage?
From a value perspective, accessories are an interesting topic. When people compare two headphones they almost exclusively focus on sound quality and maybe build. And if the cable sucks, they'll just say "buy an another", completely forgetting that that adds to the cost, sometimes significantly. I have a Sundara, and it's cable is laughably bad, it's meme material. I bought a replacement cable for €35, but at that point we're almost at €400, compared to €300 on this.
The thing about the FT3 is, if you take away the accessories, it's still worth the $300. It really makes the overall package a steal at this price. I think Fiio is just trying to get their foot in the door with this one. Sound-wise you may prefer one to the other but as a value proposition, the FT3 wins, hands down, in my opinion.
Well, I didn’t think the Sundara cable was THAT bad - there are certainly worse cables around, even on significantly pricier headphones. So who’s to say (if you didn’t like the Sundara cable) that you’re going to like the cable on the Fiio anyway?
@@markweiss5913 The versatility of the Fiio cable is what will save people money. Its only real flaw is that it’s too long for some people.
Edit: So I guess what I’m saying is that even if you don’t like it, you at least don’t have to buy a different cable to use it on a balanced connection (4.4 or XLR)
Obviously, that point is well taken. Personally, I don’t know if it’s possible to determine the quality of a cable until you get it home, handle it, use it and then make a determination. So, while the Fiio cable sysrem appears to be versatile, the actual quality of it might be great, but again, it might not be.
@@markweiss5913Ah, should have made it clear that I’ve had the FT3 for a little over a month. The cable really is the nicest one I have. Like it a lot better than the one with either of my Hifiman headphones and also the Clear OG and the Harmonicdyne Poseidon (they both have nice enough cables, but they’re less supple). I will say that the cable is a little longer than I’d like, but it’s nice if you have to step just a bit away from your desk for a moment. Of course it’s all subjective, but for me everything except the length is really top notch’s, and the length thing is a matter of preference, really.
Can you please do a popular IEM vs similar tuning/sounding headphones? (or vice-versa)
Like I have been trying to find an openback headphone with similar feel and tuning to a 7hz Timeless.
I love the 7hz and currently own a Focal Clear awell. But I like the separation, detail and tuning of the Timeless sometimes over the Focal Clear.
Waiting for your review on Hifiman he1000 stealth and Arya Organic
Your link for the Aryas doesn’t work. I’m always curious if you’re linking to the v2 or the stealth.
Hope you do a review on the ft5 the big brother
FT3 is a good entry into the $300ish range, depending on what you're looking for of course, personally I wish the pad openings were bigger people with larger ears will probably have comfort issues, otherwise a very good package overall
I am wondering how well this works with the R7. Do they work well together and does this headphone bring out a good sound from the R7.
I use a TC-Helican GO XLR right now and want to upgrade my headphones. Is it worth buying headphones like this or the Sennheiser HD-660s when i plug them into the xlr go?
I use the beyerdynamic tygr 300 r right now.
Hi, can you review Creative Sound blaster X5 DAC? Looking forward to hear your thoughts in that.
Thanks
Tempting. I got their r7 that you review loved that thing. Driving ny audeze lcx almost to blow my ears
Wow! Your assessment of these is in almost polar opposite of mine. I find the staging of the FT3 to be superior to the 600 series. The soundstage is much better. The 600 series is too midrange forward to me, hence the narrow soundstage.
The FT3 has better bass performance and has a better overall presentation from top to bottom. I also prefer the protein leather pads over the suede as they open up the top end allowing a more neutral sound. The only clear win for the 600 series was in the midrange. Better detail and technicalities.
The highest compliment I can pay to the FT3 is that it’s tonality is not far off of a ZMF Atrium Open. Of course it doesn’t have the musicality or technicalities of that headphone but it’s impressive considering the 12x price difference. It wouldn’t surprise me if FiiO took some damping cue’s from ZMF!
I’d also add that I consider the FT3 to be more semi open than truly open. Not a whole lot of leakage going on.
I don't find it to be "3 blob" either. I've said it before, but it's weird how differently people hear things...
@@lowercasegoatlisten to a ayra, then you'll understand how blobby the 6xx series is.
@@enjoshi-godrez8775 I was talking about the FT3, as far as the 3 blob thing.
@@lowercasegoat "3 blob" is audiophile bullshit. Reviewers imagine stuff that are not even physically possible.
When you gonna do those SP3 on your desk?
Please could you review the new budget king of planar magnetic IEMs KZ HBB PR2s ?
Every headphone should have this headband style. It is the most comfortable out there and it sets the correct size automatically! Why are so few designed like this? The modular cable is awesome too. All headphones should have that as well. Why is it only for IEMs?
Some AKGs have this headband style too and I agree, they are great design. Although, after a decade of use, the elastic band pulling the headband downwards will wear out.
I dislike this style. I think I should decide where the headphone feels best and sits best on my head -- not the headphone.
Why not every headphone has this headband style? Because not everyone likes it.
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The perfect headphone when listening to Vanilla Ice's Ninja Rap
Any chance that the Arya Organic video is incoming?
I guess I'm glad shipping times from overseas has been so long. I didn't order it because I couldn't find them in stock in the states and didn't feel like waiting for long ship times. Instead I went ahead and got a (used) Clear Pro (love that colorway) and will wait for the MM-100 (hopefully it's as good as anticipated?)
Still rocking my Sen’s 650’s ….on a Xduoo 604 …I’m good .
Nice headphone btw.
Take care 👍☕️🍕
thou 60mm drivers and 350ohm is tempting to try
Can you review the hifiman ananda stealth edition V3 ?
Thanks for an excellent review. Since you often mention the Harmon curve (which sounds overemphasized to me in the treble and presence region), I'd really appreciate if you could show the measurements .... Thanks very much.
I find the Harmon sound too bright as well. I tried these headphones and to me, they were a bit on the bright side. They sounded amazing with classical music, but with some electronic music and some female vocals, I heard some sibilance and harshness. That is coming from someone who is quite treble sensitive. The suede pads increased the bass and made the sound more V-shaped, but both pads had pretty elevated treble.
The reason it sounds bright is because the bass is still IEF. In 2013 they actually had a bass boost in the target of around 6db at 20hz. People now combine the 2018 target with the bass of the 2013 target called "harman combined target". That completely elevates the bright, or thinness that I also hear. The only problem is many openback headphones don't like getting bass boosted like that (they can have undesirable reactions, expecially dynamics). If you want to do it without any issues, then eq an Audeze.
@@ninja_boy I can't edit my comment below, but obviously you've listened to these, so I didn't mean to imply you hadn't. I don't hear the treble issue or find them fatiguing, but I find them easy to listen to for long sessions. I'm not hearing anything above 15kHz, though (I'm in my 40s), so that might make a difference? I can say that I don't find them as fatiguing as the K702, DT990 Pro, HE400SE (not that they're particularly fatiguing). Probably pretty on par with the HD560S in that respect (listening fatigue), but these are technically better to my ears. I can listen to something super percussion heavy, like Metallica's "72 Seasons," but the other headphones I mentioned were more tiring.
Source could make a little difference too (I'm probably going to catch flack for that, but it's true to my ears- very noticeable difference between Fiio K7 and the Zen DAC V2, for example.
Title in english - FiiO makes an open back headphone.
No one:
Dwight: FALSE. The correct usage is “FiiO makes an open-back headphone?!”
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can u review ifi go bar ?
We need more closed back competition. And no, not IEMS
60 mm drivers and these are still classified as “semi” over ear? So, in other words, these are an on ear headphone for some people. Someone in the design dept. there at Fiio didn’t think this one through.
So, $300 but it's got the case and balanced cable option? Is there any improvement on this headphone with the balanced over SE? Would seem reasonable to test that, since it's available out of the package.
Balanced doesn't do sheet except bringing more power
Ok, I just did a side by side using XLR and 1/4 inch on the SMSL 8s stack, and then the 4.4 and 1/4 inch on the Zen DAC V2.
Balanced is a polarizing topic, but I’ll risk it. The difference isn’t huge, but there, I think. The XLR connection on the 8s stack, especially seemed to give a little better detail at the very least. A little more noticeable in the low frequencies. Maybe a little more stage too. Didn’t have time to listen to a lot of songs.
I thought things were even more subtle in their differences on the Zen DAC switching between 4.4 and 1/4 inch. Depending on the volume you like to listen to, the Zen DAC benefits more from the balanced in that you won’t need to use the entire dial to get the volume you want on quieter tracks.
Anyway, yes, I noticed a difference. It wasn’t big, but it existed to my ears, and I went in thinking that there wouldn’t be one (in fact I started to write that there wasn’t one before I remembered that I hadn’t actually tested it), so take it as you will.
@@BaldyBaebybalnced has dedicated ground so it may lower noise floor and can decrase negative and postiive chrages faster. Its simply superior in everyway
Hello. I have Ath 40 x, Beyerdynamiy dt 770 80ohm and Akg 702 headphones. Set Topping D30 and A30 pro. Are the Sundara in the $300 range the best upgrade or do you have another suggestion? Thanks for your help.
song name at the start??
With good bass dynamics and being a little treble forward, combined with easy to drive, this has a chance of being a great all-rounder like for gaming or other entertainment, provided imaging stays comparable to others in it's class.
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I agree. I have it and it’s great as a daily driver. I will use it for all kinds of things. You don’t often find this kind of bass extension in an open back headphone (although this one almost feels more semi-open).
On a side note, I’m not sure why there is so much toxicity surrounding this headphone. Is it because Fiio is new to the overear game and people are offended that it might be just as good as their own, more established, headphones? Just a lot of rude replies I’ve read so far (“Blablablablabla”, for example). It’s really a shame.
@@lowercasegoat That's awesome that you picked them up. Congratulations. I don't know that I'd move on from my 6XXs for these, but that bass extension makes me think about it! As for the toxicity, idk. I think its probably the minority being loud.
I wonder how there can be bass dynamics in an open back headphone?
@@makunouchiippo816 I would describe these as semi-open. They’re not as open as any of my other open-back headphones, so they do isolate a little bit, and I think that between that and the larger driver, the bass has a little more presence.
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Prefer the fidelio over the fiio, what do you say valour?
Would you get this over sennheiser hd600?
Josh you might want to take a second look at that title, its hurting my brain lol
I think it's really cool looking, but it doesn't have the vibe of a quality audiophile product. Looks very consumer grade, and sort of like a gaming headset. It possibly needs RGB 😏
It definitely has a polarizing look. In hand, however, it feels very premium. Better than everything I own, except for Focal Clear (and the cable system is better on FT3 and the headphone feels sturdier).
You don't see them when they are on your head. Only thing that matters is their sound.
@@makunouchiippo816 And the Confort...
Wera tools! Nice kit
I will never ever understand why would someone make a headphone where the ear pad holes are smaller than the average ear, like why, that should be one of the first things to address
Yeah they seemed interesting to me but 5,5 cm for the inner ear measurements is too small for my ears so I have to pass.
Does this EQ well? Given the QC issues of HifiMan, I might just prefer them over Sundara
I've had my sundara for 3 years. I use it every day for hours
@Fisher Man no they didn't lol, it's still pretty bad although they make up for it with their customer service. Just go to any audio forum and see what the brand with the most QC issues is. 9/10 times it'll be hifiman
@@uul4289 that's anecdotal, doesn't mean much.
@@RashidTak exactly I was looking at getting a edition xs or dt1990 and people are always having qc issues with the xs on Reddit vs the 1990
@@fisherman9435 nope Grado never did haha they never ever listen to customers
The 600 and 650 are pretty close to Harman throughout the frequency range also.
Onkyo A800 is better.
FT3 vs 900 pro x ?
Thats an actually good question. The 900 and the 700 pro X are good competitors for this one.
Comfort wise the beyerdynamic wins although by a small margin. Sound wise it depends what music you are listening to. Take a look at the frequency response data and make up your mind.
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I really wish i could drive this thing out of my phone...
Well you can. Although they have 350 Ohm they also have a 102 dB sensitivity so it is really easy to drive
There is also 32 ohm version
have u tried?
@@makunouchiippo816
Beats the likes of HD600, R70X, iBasso SR2 in terms of both technical AND enjoyable sound. Punches way above it's price class, and scales very very well with good DAC/AMP, altho Tubes cause very polarising reaction in people.
Oh look a dealuded headfi style reaction. How embarrassing.
@@enjoshi-godrez8775 See it makes sense considering how Fiio spent 1.5 years on R&D for this n FT5
I think it wont be a legendary headphone like the senns, and thers a reason for that. Even now, nobody talking about it, HD600 is a legend ppl buying it since it released.
I actually liked the high impedence so much I replaced my SR2 with the SR3 @150ohm, and they are quite a bit better than the FT3. Scales nicely with my gear. The FT5 kind of flopped, so I might have overestimated Fiio's dedication to RnD. 😅
tastes differ, but I don't like this "gamey" look. What's even more confusing is the carycase pretends to be a leather classy suitcase, but then when you open it you grab out an (almost RGBish) nerdphone....I don't get it, no consistancy if you ask me
.. pass
Was the title purposefully maddening? 🤣
Harmon is legit dumb. I don't want a bunch a shouty hissey in my ears. Give me smooth, buttery, bass, detail, and SS
FT3 > utopia
I like the FT3 a whole lot. Maybe my favorite headphone as an overall package. It doesn’t sound better than my Focal Clear OG, though. It just doesn’t. With that in mind, I can’t imagine that a lot of people will agree with “FT3>Utopia.” I admittedly haven’t heard Utopia, but I’d expect it to be better than the Clear at that price…
I saw some people mentioning that the FT3 sounds like a Meze 109 Pro. Man those people are on drugs.
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The cup design looks like cheap ass wheels you'd see at Autozone or something. Shame.
Exaaactly
Who cares man? When they are on your head you don't even see them lol
@@makunouchiippo816 I do? And the person who replied to me first. And Josh said the same thing in this video. Lots of people care about the looks of something they might spend hundreds of dollars on. These aren't $20 Amazon specials, they should look like they were made for adults. The cup design just sticks out badly in an otherwise solid overall package.
looks like you lost some weight.
TLDW: get sundara instead
not really they are very different headphones, a generalization - soundstage + neutral = Sundara, Fun + intimate = FT3
Not if you have a tube amp.
FT3 is a great headphone. Why not get both? If you can only afford one, FT3 is better built, has better accessories, and still isn't any slouch in the technical department. FT3 follows Harman pretty closely, but it's not "over-boosted" anywhere. In short, it deserves consideration as much as the Sundara does, I think.
@@lowercasegoatyou should always get a better headphone than buy two, and learn how to eq for different profiles. Buying multiple headphones is a scam and nothing you say about owning multiple headphones will change that. Get a peq, learn how to use it.
@@enjoshi-godrez8775 I’m beginning to think I must have done something to insult you somewhere, since you found 3 of my comments to remark on, all condescending and negative in tone.
Anyway:
1. EQ won’t change technical ability.
2. Some headphones don’t eq well.
3. It’s my money and I enjoy having different ones to choose from.
In short, frequency response isn’t the end of the story. There are things like timbre and soundstage that can’t be adjusted so easily. I don’t plan on having an “endgame.” The game itself is too fun.
Looks like a gamer headphone that comes in an (ironically) elegant case that was shamelessly copied from Focal. Great minds behind this design.
I absolutely hate how they look.
You don't see it when they are on your head. Only the sound is important.
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